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wyrdness
28-07-06, 10:30 AM
This is one of the best that I've seen in ages. (http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/gasguzzler/index.html)
ROFL! :D
"What does your car say about you?"
:lol: I'm very short of cash. :lol:
Carsick
28-07-06, 10:51 AM
I like it.
Excellent! So as a BMW driver what does my car say about me? I am a pr!ck obviously! :lol:
Ward8124
28-07-06, 11:30 AM
This was filmed at Chiswick park west london as i was watching it being made.....now i understand what they were doing!
Excellent! So as a BMW driver what does my car say about me? I am a pr!ck obviously! :lol: No, because its a Toyota Amazon diesel.
I dont get the video at all. There are hundreds of 5 and 6 litre limos that drive around london that drink lots of petrol, busses and lorries return something like 3-4mpg, that Toyota amazon returns about 35-40mpg (Mate had one) our bikes, ok admitedly do 46mpg on average, but thats carrying one person, so all this gus guzzling crap is just getting on my tits. Make things like prius's cheaper and then maybe people would buy them when they replace thier cars, but they are 18k, and about the size of a fiesta/focus.
Sort out the public transport, make it darn sight cheaper than it is, and i'll use it.
Spiderman
28-07-06, 11:56 AM
Brilliant :lol:
I'm forwarding this to my g/f so she can can forward it onto every Hampstead-ite in a 4x4.
Excellent stuff :lol: .
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I don't understand what these treehugging green**** are thinking. clearly, video of this sort is positively encourages bullying in the workplace by targeting 4x4 owners, to put it mildly, the encouragement of this kind of behaviour is quite disgraceful, and I believe that this could be interpreted by some as an open invitation to do worse to either individuals or their property.
Although we might not think much of it, those tree huggers are trying their hardest to stop people enjoying greenlanes etc with their vehicle, both cages and bikes. some hot heads even put cable wires between trees designed to kill bikers.
They are now targeting the 4x4 users with misinformed facts, and some ridicules arguments. what next? ban us bikers because we like to burn some petrol to enjoy the wind in the face?
Spiderman
28-07-06, 12:51 PM
I don't understand what these treehugging green**** are thinking. clearly, video of this sort is positively encourages bullying in the workplace by targeting 4x4 owners, to put it mildly, the encouragement of this kind of behaviour is quite disgraceful, and I believe that this could be interpreted by some as an open invitation to do worse to either individuals or their property.
Although we might not think much of it, those tree huggers are trying their hardest to stop people enjoying greenlanes etc with their vehicle, both cages and bikes. some hot heads even put cable wires between trees designed to kill bikers.
They are now targeting the 4x4 users with misinformed facts, and some ridicules arguments. what next? ban us bikers because we like to burn some petrol to enjoy the wind in the face?
Hmmm.
i dont think your seeing the bigger picture here KrZ mate.
i think the point is that if you live and work in a city then you have a responsibility to use a suitable means of transport. And you can clearly see that he gets in it by himself after work, so something that big with that many seats is utterly pointless for just him as a form of transport.
He may think he's a big man when he's in it but others areound him see him for what he is. An arrogant person who's attitude is "I'm important and can drive what i like cos i can afford it" A majority of the people who work with him see him as that too is the point in the ad i think ... as opposed to suggesting this is the type of behaviour we should adpot toward peeps like him that we work with.
Now if he rode a bike to work, it'd be more like you typical Lynx ad and all the chicks would want him and all the guys would want to be him. :lol:
Point it that a 7 seat 4x4 is just NOT the right vehicle for city driving unless there is a very good reason. if he was a photojournalist or something and had lots of very bulky and heavy stuff for his work then fair enough, but just one bod who works in an office?
Flamin_Squirrel
28-07-06, 01:44 PM
I don't understand what these treehugging green**** are thinking. clearly, video of this sort is positively encourages bullying in the workplace by targeting 4x4 owners, to put it mildly, the encouragement of this kind of behaviour is quite disgraceful, and I believe that this could be interpreted by some as an open invitation to do worse to either individuals or their property.
Although we might not think much of it, those tree huggers are trying their hardest to stop people enjoying greenlanes etc with their vehicle, both cages and bikes. some hot heads even put cable wires between trees designed to kill bikers.
They are now targeting the 4x4 users with misinformed facts, and some ridicules arguments. what next? ban us bikers because we like to burn some petrol to enjoy the wind in the face?
Hmmm.
i dont think your seeing the bigger picture here KrZ mate.
i think the point is that if you live and work in a city then you have a responsibility to use a suitable means of transport. And you can clearly see that he gets in it by himself after work, so something that big with that many seats is utterly pointless for just him as a form of transport.
He may think he's a big man when he's in it but others areound him see him for what he is. An arrogant person who's attitude is "I'm important and can drive what i like cos i can afford it" A majority of the people who work with him see him as that too is the point in the ad i think ... as opposed to suggesting this is the type of behaviour we should adpot toward peeps like him that we work with.
Now if he rode a bike to work, it'd be more like you typical Lynx ad and all the chicks would want him and all the guys would want to be him. :lol:
Point it that a 7 seat 4x4 is just NOT the right vehicle for city driving unless there is a very good reason. if he was a photojournalist or something and had lots of very bulky and heavy stuff for his work then fair enough, but just one bod who works in an office?
Sorry spidey, gotta disagree with you here. Whatever your view on 4x4s is, this is nothing but a spitefull attack on a minority group.
I like most people don't like 4x4s, but I'm also aware that as a biker I'm vunerable to such popular prejudices, and see no difference between this and an anti-bike video portraying us as anti-social lunatics.
Whatever your view on 4x4s is, this is nothing but a spitefull attack on a minority group.
You do realize that's the basis for a considerable amount of acceptable mainstream humour?
And what's up with you, my rightwing friend? Gone all PC? :shock: :lol: :wink:
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points taken, my point is based on that video itself and its message to be taken wrongly. the video didn't show what that guy does after working hours, he may need to tow a boat (just because he can afford it), or he may do a bit of off roading, like what we do have a blast at the weekend for example. To say that all 4x4 drivers are arrogant, and the choice of vehicle is wrong IMO is irresponsible to say at the least from the video maker.
In terms of the vehicle facts, If they want to talk about footprint of a 4x4, they are by far smaller then a large merc or BMW, their structure because of high bonnet, they are no worse then 7 seaters. their gas consumptions are no worse than any sports cars out there, including mini. A 7 seater 4x4 say Land Rover Discovery Diesel does more then 30+mpg city driving which is not a lot of other car or 7 seaters can match.
In terms of safty. if someone telling me that i have to not wear me leather because it kills too many animals, so i suffer as a result, i tell them where to go. Therefore, the purpose of me wearing leather in the expense of some animal is to protect myself. and i will get whatever (the best i can get IMO) i can afford, you can't call that arrogant can you. That's not to say that geezer isn't doing the same to protect his family and himself.
Similaly, if it is the other driver's safty in terms of an impact, then buses, taxis, light truck should all be classed as dangrous vehicle on road, in fact, all cars that have higher bonnet should be stoped.. thus my question. why targeting 4x4 only? To be more responsible, they should focus more on getting greener vehicles (more choices) on road, better public transport system. rather then targetting a specific group of people which have selected this type of vehicle for their own specific reason (and in general do keep their vehile longer then average according to research = saves energy used to produce new cars thus reduce CO emmision to the enviroment).
Flamin_Squirrel
28-07-06, 02:02 PM
Whatever your view on 4x4s is, this is nothing but a spitefull attack on a minority group.
You do realize that's the basis for a considerable amount of acceptable mainstream humour?.
Eh? It's been a long week and it's Friday afternoon, I don't get it :oops:
And what's up with you, my rightwing friend? Gone all PC? :shock: :lol: :wink:
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No, I just think people should be allowed to do what they want without 'moral' people meddling in their business.
No, I just think people should be allowed to do what they want without 'moral' people meddling in their business.
Just a minute, let me write that down for future reference... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Spiderman
28-07-06, 02:25 PM
FS & KrZ i see where you both are comming from but you are, i think, pushing the message of the video further than it actualy goes.
It does clearly say City Gas Guzzler and makes the point that 1 bloke who works in an office doesnt NEED a 7seat 4x4 to go there.
As for using it to protect themselves in the same way we bikers use leather to protect us... i think that like comparing oranges and orange coloured snooker balls. One the surface they seem the same but in reality its 2 entirely diffrent things.
No biker rides recklessly thinking that their leathers will make sure theyre ok if they crash into something smaller than them. But being in a large 4x4 does instill that thinking in people ive found. And waht if every driver took this attitude and everyone drove a 4x4? You just know those who could afford it would have custom 4x4s made with higher wheels or have armour put into the doors or something equally silly just so they have the biggest thing on the road. Like those peeps who drive Hummers in London :roll:
Its also not a mainstream ad on TV but just a greenpeace film on thier own site so only really seen by people who probably think this about 4x4 drivers anyway and they are pandering to their minority group.
I cant see Greenpeace ever having a go at bikes, we are just not as poluting* or as congesting in cities to get their attention.
*yes i'm generalisisng so please dont start giving me pollution figures for older bikes.
No, I just think people should be allowed to do what they want without 'moral' people meddling in their business.
I agree with that 100%
4x4 is such a generic term. It covers everything from the Fiat Panda 4x4 to a Hummer H2 and beyond. Off/Soft roaders are in my eyes better teminology, and Gas Guzzler is so poor, as has been said as not all of them guzzler gas.
Spiderman
28-07-06, 02:49 PM
No, I just think people should be allowed to do what they want without 'moral' people meddling in their business.
I agree with that 100%
Ok, to play devils advocate here for a mo and taking Timwilkys recent thread as inspiration.... would you also agree that littering should be allowed for the same reason?
Flamin_Squirrel
28-07-06, 03:44 PM
No, I just think people should be allowed to do what they want without 'moral' people meddling in their business.
I agree with that 100%
Ok, to play devils advocate here for a mo and taking Timwilkys recent thread as inspiration.... would you also agree that littering should be allowed for the same reason?
No, that presents a health hazard.
nobody wants an accident, but if i do fall, i would like to fall with my leathers on rather then not. likewise, if i do happen to be involved in an accident in car, i'd like to be in a heavier car, preferrabaly a Hummer, correction, a tank if i can afford. i think that sounds quite logical really.
But then again, knowing i can not afford one of those, i should really be supporting to ban the lot of them. but that would be sour grapes wouldn't it.
Spiderman
28-07-06, 04:03 PM
No, I just think people should be allowed to do what they want without 'moral' people meddling in their business.
I agree with that 100%
Ok, to play devils advocate here for a mo and taking Timwilkys recent thread as inspiration.... would you also agree that littering should be allowed for the same reason?
No, that presents a health hazard.
Empty crisp packets and cans pose no health risk all. Nothing in their will contaminate you in anyway. However they can present a danger to traffic for various reasons so i'm not sure of your point FS.
Spiderman
28-07-06, 04:09 PM
nobody wants an accident, but if i do fall, i would like to fall with my leathers on rather then not. likewise, if i do happen to be involved in an accident in car, i'd like to be in a heavier car, preferrabaly a Hummer, correction, a tank if i can afford. i think that sounds quite logical really.
But then again, knowing i can not afford one of those, i should really be supporting to ban the lot of them. but that would be sour grapes wouldn't it.
But that goes back to my point that if everyone could afford it someone would want something more. If everyone had a tank then you wouldnt be any safer in your tank would you?
Flamin_Squirrel
28-07-06, 04:10 PM
No, I just think people should be allowed to do what they want without 'moral' people meddling in their business.
I agree with that 100%
Ok, to play devils advocate here for a mo and taking Timwilkys recent thread as inspiration.... would you also agree that littering should be allowed for the same reason?
No, that presents a health hazard.
Empty crisp packets and cans pose no health risk all. Nothing in their will contaminate you in anyway. However they can present a danger to traffic for various reasons so i'm not sure of your point FS.
Any empty food wrapping will appeal to rats and other vermin.
Also, if you set a precident that littering is ok then the streets could fill up with litter, which is a definate health risk - you'd slip on a banana peel and break your neck eventually :p
Littering is against the law, whereas buying a large 4x4 vehicle isn't. That is where the difference lies between the two.
Basically using the same logic: murder is okay because I want it to be, but I'll be dammed if I'm going to let anyone wear a baseball cap.
I like it very funny even though it's from the TREE HUGGERS :lol: :lol:
nobody wants an accident, but if i do fall, i would like to fall with my leathers on rather then not. likewise, if i do happen to be involved in an accident in car, i'd like to be in a heavier car, preferrabaly a Hummer, correction, a tank if i can afford. i think that sounds quite logical really.
But then again, knowing i can not afford one of those, i should really be supporting to ban the lot of them. but that would be sour grapes wouldn't it.
But that goes back to my point that if everyone could afford it someone would want something more. If everyone had a tank then you wouldnt be any safer in your tank would you?
then i'll seek smt more errrh... donno yet.. bigger tank? but that's hardly going to happen, because simple not everyone can afford cars, and not everyone can afford big expensive 4x4s.
isn't our subtle differences in opinion is actually the main difference between communism and capitalism?
Sometimes the whole 4x4 thing is a bit ridiculous.
A Mini Cooper S has a CO2 emission level of 207g/km.
A Nissan X-trail DCi sport has a CO2 emission of 190g/km.
The new car I have on order is 127g/km, it's a 1.6 TDCI Ford Focus, dull yes very, but cheaper to run and absolves all of my gas guzzling SV related guilt... :lol:
Check the emissions level of your car here... http://www.smmt.co.uk/co2/co2search.cfm
I like it very funny even though it's from the TREE HUGGERS :lol: :lol:
Whatever the arguements for and against such vehicles*, look at the bigger picture.............our tree-hugging friends have got peeps on here discussing the issues in a sensible and rational way.
Job done I think.
* I don't like them simple because of the amount of road-space they take up unnecessarily in towns and cities; the congestion arguement.
Spiderman
29-07-06, 10:11 AM
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isn't our subtle differences in opinion is actually the main difference between communism and capitalism?
:lol:
I guess you have a very valid point there if you look at it in that context.
So heres another.... isnt it true that the richer you are the better you can protect yourself on the roads? Poor people = dodgy old rusty run about, Rich people = the newest toughest 4x4s.
So heres another.... isnt it true that the richer you are the better you can protect yourself on the roads? Poor people = dodgy old rusty run about, Rich people = the newest toughest 4x4s.
Another myth. The big 4x4s are not the safest vehicles on the road, for either the occupants, people in other vehicles or pedestrians.
Want safe? Buy a BMW or (dare I say it?) a Renault.
Mr Toad
29-07-06, 10:17 AM
Good flick :D
Not so sure about the message though :cry:
OK so 4x4's aren't good for the environment, but why pick only on them. I see far more pollution coming from badly maintained taxis, buses, lorries, not to say the 'ordinary' cars which far outnumber 4x4's.
There is an incredible degree of jealousy here - most people can't afford these things, and they are in fact quite rare compared to 'ordinary' cars. When I used to work in Knightsbridge, I quite often saw these sort of cars with 'tree-hugger' leaflets on them, pointing out how bad they were, etc, etc - pure jealousy imho
The unfortunate thing is that we all have a responsibility to the environment, not just those that drive 4x4's - if you want to change something, target the 99% of 'normal' people, not just the 1% that stick out
Why should I have to go to work on public transport - it's extremely inconvenient for me, and damned expensive. My journey times were at least double that when using the bike. I can't actually get to my present job using public transport, unless I want to spend over £30 per day and take 3 hours each way
I have a choice - I choose to commute to work on a 1000cc motorbike - I could have a smaller one that makes less noise :twisted: , but where would the fun be in that
What next - leaflets stuck on my bike telling me I'm a naughty boy for having a big engine and frightening people with noisy exhausts . . .
Spiderman
29-07-06, 10:37 AM
Some good points Mr Toad but i gotta say this, i dont know where you guys got the message that these things are polluters. Certainly not from that video as it doesnt say that at all. It does call a large 7seat 4x4 a "city gas guzzler" at the end which is quite true due to the size of the engine and the weight it has to move.
It doesnt show it pulling off in a puff of nasty smoke or anything so i think we are confusing other mdeia messages into this vid.
i see it simply as saying that its an unsuitable vehicle for 1 person who drives to work in a office. At no point does it say take public transport or anything of the like. It makes the point of "What does you car say about you" so presumably the others he works with also have cars and are judging the guy for his inapropriate choice, not cos he's a polluter.
However Toady, youre absolutely right that buses/taxis/trucks are some of the worst offenders for pollution yet they dont seem to be targeted in the media for it.
Red ones
29-07-06, 11:01 AM
4x4s burn petrol - ergo they are bad.
SVs burn petrol - ergo THEY are bad TOO
SVs burn less petrol - ergo they are not so bad as 4x4s
If you then take in to consideration that 4x4s are about half the size of a small bus, they cause alot more congestion - cause more queues and cause more petrol to be burnt without making progress towards their destination. Why do you need the ability to carry 7 people, if only one person is making the journey. Now if the message were about car sharing and half the office arrived int eh same 4x4 that would be a whole different story.
It is interesting to note the feeling that the film is not right in it portrail of the 4x4 owner, yet in another thread on this forum cyclists are being condemned wholsale due to their ability to cut through traffic!!!
Flamin_Squirrel
29-07-06, 11:20 AM
Some good points Mr Toad but i gotta say this, i dont know where you guys got the message that these things are polluters. Certainly not from that video as it doesnt say that at all. It does call a large 7seat 4x4 a "city gas guzzler" at the end which is quite true due to the size of the engine and the weight it has to move.
It doesnt show it pulling off in a puff of nasty smoke or anything so i think we are confusing other mdeia messages into this vid.
i see it simply as saying that its an unsuitable vehicle for 1 person who drives to work in a office. At no point does it say take public transport or anything of the like. It makes the point of "What does you car say about you" so presumably the others he works with also have cars and are judging the guy for his inapropriate choice, not cos he's a polluter.
However Toady, youre absolutely right that buses/taxis/trucks are some of the worst offenders for pollution yet they dont seem to be targeted in the media for it.
So it is just a spiteful attack on a group certain group of people to stop them from doing what others dont like.
I don't like 4x4s, but I'm aware that they're nothing more than an extremely insignificant and only occasional anoyance. Any effort I made to get them off the road would just be petty.
If the live and let live attitude continues to die at this rate, noone will be allowed to live at all.
Well when the world runs out of petrol we're all going to be stuck with electric cars anyway, so make the most of it.
I'm not one to argue for 4x4's, because from my experience people who drive them are bloody dangerous on the road. But any cause (good or bad) that has such in your face, "we're right and if you don't agree you're an idiot" viewpoint leaves me feeling a little annoyed.
Maybe if they'd actually stuck some facts in that advert rather than "OMFG YOU N00B BUY A SMALER CAR OMG, PETROL IS BAD LOL."
ethariel
30-07-06, 12:15 PM
Nice Vid, but what happens when they realise he lives 4 miles down a dirt track that will rip the sump out of a normal car, in a farm left him by his parents (ok far fetched but still possible, no ??)
Colin
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