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Filipe M.
06-09-06, 01:20 PM
I know that we have to respect one's creeds and religious beliefs, but don't you think this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/5315306.stm?ls) is taking things a bit too far?! :lol:
Disclaimer: this is purely intended to laugh a bit at the great lancastrian inventions of all times, not to start another religious discussion about beliefs! Please!
That's not a bit too far at all.
That's what happens when you take the line, step over it, rub it out, and draw a new one 200 miles before the old one. WAY to f*ing far IMO.
(Note: No, I'm not racist, I have a lot of asian friends - one of whom signed up to the KKK website with his real life personal details :D - but I mean, c'mon!)
timwilky
06-09-06, 01:33 PM
Filipe
I saw that in the local newspaper a few days ago, Now my wife works within the health service at Chorley (One of the hospitals mentioned) and I showed it to her. She laughed her head off.
She works on a rehab ward, for stroke patients. Most of whom when they first enter her ward are incapable of walking, are incontinent etc. Her response was along the lines of how the bloody hell are we expected to clean anyone wearing that thing.
I personally think this is taking PC to an unacceptable level. I am sure even the most devout would accept that the teaching of the koran can be otherwise interpreteted whilst the believer is ill in hospital etc.
Um, I think that the thing to remember here people is that the NHS is a "service provider". It must cater for it's constituents (if that's the right word). It cannot discrimiate.
If, for whatever reason, potential patients will not be treated, then that issue must be addressed.
They must cater for everyone. I don't see a problem with it, if it means that someone doesn't die in the UK in the 21C from a preventable illness. We all pay taxes.
It cannot discrimiate.
We all pay taxes.
********....I dont pay taxes and I still have to have my **** on display when I go to hospital :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
ArtyLady
06-09-06, 03:24 PM
I wonder how many brain scans that could pay for :?
UlsterSV
06-09-06, 03:25 PM
At least the NHS owns the patent so the profits will go towards providing better drugs and a better service.
Wow, a pig just flew past my window!
Filipe M.
06-09-06, 03:26 PM
Wow, a pig just flew past my window!
Was he riding a bike? :shock:
I wonder how many brain scans that could pay for :?
Private MRI scans cost £983. So that's almost 82 new outfits & they can't afford a brain scan.
Nice idea for an insitution that's already in debt!
UlsterSV
06-09-06, 03:33 PM
Wow, a pig just flew past my window!
Was he riding a bike? :shock:
Bikes can't fly. At least mine can't :?
Filipe M.
06-09-06, 03:34 PM
Wow, a pig just flew past my window!
Was he riding a bike? :shock:
Bikes can't fly. At least mine can't :?
Are you sure it was a pig, then? Couldn't it have been a pink cow? :-k Anyhoo...
UlsterSV
06-09-06, 03:45 PM
Wow, a pig just flew past my window!
Was he riding a bike? :shock:
Bikes can't fly. At least mine can't :?
Are you sure it was a pig, then? Couldn't it have been a pink cow? :-k Anyhoo...
No, it was definitely a pig. It squealed and had a curly tail and everything.
ArtyLady
06-09-06, 03:51 PM
I wonder how many brain scans that could pay for :?
Private MRI scans cost £983. So that's almost 82 new outfits & they can't afford a brain scan.
Nice idea for an insitution that's already in debt!
I didnt realise scans were so expensive :shock: :shock:
Ceri JC
06-09-06, 04:04 PM
Um, I think that the thing to remember here people is that the NHS is a "service provider". It must cater for it's constituents (if that's the right word). It cannot discrimiate.
If, for whatever reason, potential patients will not be treated, then that issue must be addressed.
They must cater for everyone. I don't see a problem with it, if it means that someone doesn't die in the UK in the 21C from a preventable illness. We all pay taxes.
The problem I have with this sort of thing (not this one in particular, a few £12s is unlikey to deplete the NHS' coffers) is that it's us that pay for it. More specialised treatments are almost always more expensive than the norm and it seems wrong I should foot the bill for someone else's beliefs. What if I said that I could not occupy a ward with a non-Christians? Would it be right to expect the hospital to make a seperate ward and for the tax payer to pay for it? The most pertinent real-world example I can think of is Jehovahs (and other religions that won't accept it) only using alternatives to blood transfusion. All well and good, but we use blood transfusion because it's an awful lot cheaper and more convenient than the alternatives. If everyone demanded the alternatives (which, incidentally are arguably "better" medically- they're just used less widely due to the cost) I imagine the NHS would certainly feel the strain, if indeed it could actually do it at all.
The most reasonable solution (IMO) would be to make people pay for the difference in cost to the "standard". EG if normal hospital gowns are £2, Muslim women should have to pay the £10 extra these burkha-like gowns cost. Then no one would be able to complain about it.
The thing to remember is that whilst we all pay our taxes, only a certain amount goes to the NHS; despite it having a huge amount of money, it still has a budget. How would you feel if someone died because the money that could have been spent on treatment (which is what the NHS is there for, ultimately) wasn't available as the cash had been earmarked for some alternative medicine which was only "neccessary" due to belief? Surely the only beliefs worth dying for are your own- not those of a stranger on the other side of the country?
RE this: just wait for an increase in the number of people being given the wrong treatment whilst anaesthetised, due to mistaken identities... :lol:
I wonder how many brain scans that could pay for :?
Private MRI scans cost £983. So that's almost 82 new outfits & they can't afford a brain scan.
Nice idea for an insitution that's already in debt!
I didnt realise scans were so expensive :shock: :shock:
That's actually pretty cheap as far as MRI's go (I have private medical cover with the company & never go NHS for anything these days).
Ceri JC, apologies, but your post comes across as if the NHS have money to spare. It's quite the opposite & they're doing everything they can to cut corners, ahem, I mean save money.
As for the idea of paying the difference, that sounds great. But then people would complain that the National Health Service isn't being fair & providing an equal service to everyone. Those with more money would be seen quickly as those who benefitted most. Sorry to throw a spanner in your general direction :oops:
chazzyb
06-09-06, 04:29 PM
I got the impression from reading the article that the outfits are to be offered to patients for £12 a pop.
21QUEST
06-09-06, 05:36 PM
I got the impression from reading the article that the outfits are to be offered to patients for £12 a pop.
:-k I sincerely hope so.
Cheers
Ben
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