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just found out the guy who sold me my bike knew all about its problems....... is there any thing i can do about this??
was it a dealer or private sale?
If dealer, you would be covered by Sale of Goods Act and fit for purpose. If a private sale youre on dodgier ground as its pretty much a case of caveat emptor [buyer beware]. You DO have some grounds ie if they have categorically stated its something its not or said its in good condition or not, has just passed mot but hasnt as an example, but it will be very hard to prove.
What did he put on the receipt? If hes written the receipt as sold as seen you will probably be stuck for recourse.
Tbh you probably need to pm Ed as hes the legal mind on the forum. HTH
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 08:03 PM
I'm sorry but I have to ask, just what exactly is wrong with it ?
I've seen your post about the battery going flat, and your other post about the indicators.
What else ?
nowt, its just don 2 batterys & 2 regs 1n 2 weeks i cant aford that every week
the white rabbit
21-09-06, 08:36 PM
So go back to the doofus who put the reg on and tell him he didnt fix it and ask him to try harder or put one on that wasnt just lying about. That could be it. Oh and then theres the question, if so, of your dead battery because he sold you a duff reg...
Thats the first step, surely?
Peter Henry
21-09-06, 08:38 PM
You need to be investigating the cause of the prob mate rather than just replacing the damaged parts for them to go once more. Once you bottom the cause you will probably never look back.
Much as I am sure your p+ssed at he situ, be sure of your facts before accusing the seller. :wink:
So go back to the doofus who put the reg on and tell him he didnt fix it and ask him to try harder or put one on that wasnt just lying about. That could be it. Oh and then theres the question, if so, of your dead battery because he sold you a duff reg...
Thats the first step, surely?
^^^^^^^^^^^
done it
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:02 PM
I would wager that your regulator / rectifier is the problem here not the battery. When you say two batteries. I take it that you replaced the first one that was on the bike with a 2nd battery which has now gone flat ???
If so if you are lucky you dont need another battery, what you need to do is to get the charging circuit fixed. I.e buy a new regulator rectifier. Cost is about £90 like I said in the other post.
I wouldnt bother with lowers etc etc that you are trying to buy off PatrickUK, get your priorities right and get the bike running properly first, the bling bits can come later on. Theres always stuff for sale on here on ebay...
If you've got money to spend on micro indicators etc then you've got money to spend getting your bike sorted out IMHO.
Anyway thats a small bill. I took my bike in because it was knocking from the front end, I picked it up two weeks later from the dealer £600 lighter.. now thats a big bill... you just need to get some perspective on your problem.
i know, you are right, but i bought all the stuff after the 1st reg & thought she was sorted, going to get shop to replace the reg he found on the flour for a shinny new one charge the battery and see if she lasts more than a week
ps i got a MP or MF make battery which he said is ****
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:11 PM
If I was you, thats what I would do, get a new reg / rec from them and then I would imagine that you'll be all sorted.
Don't listen to him, he obviously has no clue what he's talking about. No garage / mechanic would have replaced the reg / rec and not checked it was charging properly. If he cant do a job like that properly, I wouldnt trust his opinion on batteries...
Just get this problem sorted and go and find somebody else to look after your bike for you.
he said it was charging last week but battery dead today, he put it on charge overnight & said come back 2moro, so i shall
i want a NEW reg
wot if it go's then
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fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:21 PM
Sounds like he's trying to sell you a new battery... Do you know what I'd do, I'd pick my bike up tomorrow and then take it somewhere else and get a 2nd opinion.
Did you buy the battery from him also ? I'm wandering if he has done a number on you on the battery you bought as well.
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:22 PM
No it wont catch fire, it'll just not charge the battery..
Hovi5, can I ask a personal question... how old are you ?
I'm wandering if you are reasonably young and maybe a little naieve and the person you are dealing with has realised this and is ripping you off ?
im 31 i know the guy that sold me the ripped me off now
but the garage guy put a 2nd hand part on my bike did he know it didnt work??? i dobt it cos he new id be back
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:31 PM
OK, apologies for the age confusion.
Maybe he put the 2nd hand part on your bike knowing that you would come back so he could charge you again to put it right, hence why he's sewing seeds of doubt about your battery...
imust just have mug tattooed on my head!!!
im looking for a camera phone so if you have one that dosnt work pm me i will buy it(thats ment to be a joke)
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:35 PM
Did the guy give you the old parts back when he fitted the new reg / rec ?
After he has fitted the new reg / rec ask him if you can see the old part, I've just had a thought, maybe he never fitted a 2nd hand reg / rec at all and just left the original broken one in there and has fed you alot of bullsh*t...
i helped him change it(i was worried about his oily fingerprints on my plastics) he throw my old one on a bench ....wot if there is nowt wrong with either reg??? it could be altanater or even a short
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:47 PM
OK well its not that then.. somethings not right here though...
If you dont know take it somewhere who does know. What evidence did he show you that it was charging properly ? Or didnt he, maybe its just that the 2nd one has failed.
You really do need to check that the bikes charging before you start imaging what else might be wrong IMHO.
Do a search, theres some tests with a multimeter that you can do that will tell you how to do this.
i'll see how it goes 2moro thing is its the only bike shop about i think ill pm mogs see where he take his.
perhaps i need more of an autoelectriction
if its not charging=new reg
if it is charging....no it cant be charging
I JUST REMEMBERED SOMTHING THAT MIGHT HELP
the day i had it back with new bat & reg it would start in gear with clutch in ......then a few days later it would'nt
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 09:59 PM
I cant really give you anymore advise. Taking it somewhere else and getting a 2nd opinion is worth doing. If Mogs knows of somewhere thats probably worth a try.
Seems you have a few little gremlins that want sorting out...
yeah,fair play i have draggad it on a bit
i took it to this garage cos i thought a bigger garage would be more expensive
last question should my bike start in gear with the clutch in ...i say yes . he say some do some dont but. he should know which do &which dont
sorry 1 more thing the reg he found may have been suzuki, but i doubt very much it was 0f a sv659s 99-02
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 10:16 PM
Yes you should be able to start the bike in gear with the clutch in, but I think this will only work if the sidestand is up.
With the bike in neutral you'll need to pull the clutch in to start it, this is a Suzuki quirk, or it is on the all the Suzuki's i've ridden,
My old Apriila didnt need the clutch pulled into start it though.
valleyboy
21-09-06, 10:16 PM
Official Suzuki garages in South Wales...
Bevans in Cardiff, Thunder Road in Bridgend, I think there are one or two in Swansea / Port Talbot... there may be more... Bevans is on Hadfield road.. not that far from Ninian park... just dont go near the place when Cardiff city are playing, as there will be traffic all over the place! :lol:
Thunder road is in Bridgend, I went there when I had the SV and thought something had gone wrong, they looked at it straight away for me...
if you dont want to take it to a Suzuki dealer, there are a few more to choose from, maybe worth taking it to a bike shop who has a dealership of some sort.. less likely to try and pull the wool over your eyes as that can back fire quite easy on them....
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 10:17 PM
sorry 1 more thing the reg he found may have been suzuki, but i doubt very much it was 0f a sv659s 99-02
Some reg / rec's off other bikes will work. Like I said do a search its been covered before. If you havent put a comptable part into your bike then I'm not surprised it doesnt charge...
valleyboy
21-09-06, 10:18 PM
most Suzukis need the clutch pulled in to start if its in gear or not... some only need the clutch pulled in if its in gear...
i know. u got to pull clutch in to start sv .mine will start in neatrel but not in gear as you need more power in battery when in gear??
like i said i thought the likes of thundreroad would be dear hourly rate. but in the long run i should have
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 10:25 PM
i know. u got to pull clutch in to start sv .mine will start in neatrel but not in gear as you need more power in battery when in gear??
Have you got the sidestand down ? if so theres a cutout switch that kills the engine when the side stand is down. I think this works regardless of whether the clutch is in or not.
valleyboy
21-09-06, 10:27 PM
If its like my kwak.. then if its in gear, you cannot start it at all with the stand down.. clutch in or not.... now dont get me started on sidestand switches :evil: :lol:
no no no you mis understud .i think my bike should start in gear, my bike did start in gear,but lately if i tried to start in gear clutch in stand up it would turn over but not enough to start so i had to find N to start
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 10:36 PM
It might be drag on the transmission thats making the bike struggle to turn over...
Mind you if your battery is flat or doesnt have a lot of charge in it what do you expect.
Why do you want to start it in gear for anyway ?
good point, if u stall it :oops: its easier
fizzwheel
21-09-06, 10:43 PM
Ah OK, well it should turn over in gear and start after a stall with no trouble...
I know I've done it to. :oops: Actually when my reg / rec finally went I stalled on a roundabout in the wet avoiding the back of a car, the bike stalled as I didnt pull the clutch in quickly enough.
I pulled the clutch in and tried to turn the bike over and the battery was flat as pancake, I had enough juice to light the headlights and dash lights, but not enough to turn the starter over.
i was at the lights the other day & an old bloke in a battered van said nice bike ,wanna race :twisted: so i laughed .....lights changed i stalled(1st time ever honest) & off he went :oops: :oops:
AFAIK: Mine will only start clutch in & in neutral. Won't start in gear. But then I always start it on hte side stand.
But now you've got me wondering. Maybe I should try a new combination - side stand up, clutch in, first gear. I *must've* tried this before, but now you've got me doubting myself.
Hope you sort the other stuff out.
AFAIK: Mine will only start clutch in & in neutral. Won't start in gear. But then I always start it on hte side stand.
But now you've got me wondering. Maybe I should try a new combination - side stand up, clutch in, first gear. I *must've* tried this before, but now you've got me doubting myself.
Hope you sort the other stuff out.
Talking about pointies (well, K6 specifically), as I've never ridden a curvy...
Sidestand down, bike has to be in neutral or your starter button wont even work, LCD reads "CHEC". Assuming you're in neutral, you need the clutch in, otherwise the starter doesn't work.
Sidestand up, electronics magic trickery doesn't care about gears, but you still need the clutch in, or you have no starter button.
Personally, I ***LOVE*** the idea of the clutch having to be pulled in for the starter to function. 1) It saves the possibility of me being a numpty & starting in 1st without the clutch 2) It helps save engine wear a little (yes, at the expense of the clutch, I know).
I've had a few cars where you have to have the clutch pedal pressed all the way down or it wont even turn the ignition on!
Hovi5, as for what's wrong with your bike, no idea fella without getting my hands on it with a DMM. Take it to someone local for a second opinion. It might also be worth calling into a small car sales place & asking them about auto-electricians. They usually have 1 or 2 on their books that are well trusted & deal with all their cars. Might find one that knows at least enough to hazard a guess at a bike! Should be nicely priced as well! :thumbsup:
Hovis
Second hand rectifiers are more trouble than they are worth unless you know the person thats sold/selling it to you. It sounds like the second hand part is duff as well. The 'mechanic' should be able to check the voltage across the battery simply enough. This will tell you if its Rectifiying etc.
Personaly, id tell this mug to p*ss off and take it to a proper dealer. Yes, it might cost you a few extra pennies, but at least it will work, and you will not be going mad. As for cheap batteries, i have a budget battery on my bike, and it works fine, and has done so far this year.
And...starting your bike. You have 2 switches. One on the clutch and one on the sidestand. The clutch one can play up form time to time, and i have disabled mine, so can now start the bike one handed.
i agree............ i want a NEW reg fitted this time (IF YOU KNEW HOW MUCH I PAID FOR THE ONE THAT HE 'FOUND' ID ME A LAUGHING STOCK if im not that all ready :oops:
hovi5:
Mogs used PeeGee Motorcycles on Bedwas Road for all his servicing. I've been there a couple of time for puncture repairs. They are all as mad as hatters but know their stuff and do a good job (hope they aren't the numpties you went to :lol: )
Bevans on Hadfield Road have a good reputation mechanically; Jethro the Mechanic is a top chap.
I always go to ThunderRoad in Bridgend, mainly because they sold me the bike and because Bevans aren't a Honda dealership anymore. Never had a problem with ThunderRoad and their work is always faultless. Plus, they will always let you have a ride on their demo bikes whilst yours in being fixed :D
In your case I'd go to Bevans first, mainly because they are nearer :thumbsup:
No-one is laughing at you mate, electrical problems are a sod to sort out unless you realy know your stuff.
I noticed that you haven't mentioned the bike mechanics in Caerphilly. I presume you mean PeeGee, they are good at mechanical repairs and tyres etc. but not electrics - their own admission.
If I were you I'd take it to Bevans - they're OK and do know their stuff. I think they will even collect.
[quote="Jabba"]hovi5:
Mogs used PeeGee Motorcycles on Bedwas Road for all his servicing. I've been there a couple of time for puncture repairs. They are all as mad as hatters but know their stuff and do a good job (hope they aren't the numpties you went to :lol: )
:oops: :oops: oh yes :oops: :oops:
Just get the feckin' thing sorted before next Thursday, eh? :lol:
Bevan's :thumbsup:
yup,it s good to know beavans will pick up the bike. cos most places are a bit out of the way so leaving your ride with them is a bit of a prob, anyway see wot pg say today7gofrom there
c u thursday :? :?: :( :cry: :evil: :lol:
got to go late 4 work :shock:
Ceri JC
22-09-06, 08:57 AM
Another vote for Bevans. Whilst the basic costs aren't cheap, from what I've heard/my experiences they never try to rip you off and if something can be fixed rather than replaced with a brand new one, they'll do it. Likewise with servicing, if something doesn't need doing, they won't say it does and charge you unnecessarily.
Mogs used PeeGee Motorcycles on Bedwas Road for all his servicing. I've been there a couple of time for puncture repairs. They are all as mad as hatters but know their stuff and do a good job (hope they aren't the numpties you went to :lol: )
:oops: :oops: oh yes :oops: :oops
I guess that it is PeeGee, they are truly bonkers, but I don't think they are crooks. They are only 500yds from my home and are cheap for the simple stuff.
It may seem to be off-the-wall but you could ring AutoElectric on Pontygwindy Rd, (I've seen bikes parked there, but it maybe staff) they maybe able to check if your battery is charging, give them a call.
IF YOU KNEW HOW MUCH I PAID FOR THE ONE THAT HE 'FOUND'
Well, if you're not going to tell us how much you paid, at least tell us you got a full refund. Or they replaced it with a new one for free.
Biker Biggles
22-09-06, 01:41 PM
You need to do a basic test of the charging system with a multimeter.Search this site for Sid Squid's posts on exactly how to do it(or someone will post the right link for you)and check the battery,reg,rect,and alternator outputs.This will isolate the problem as it could be one of several----duff battery,duff reg,rect or failed alternator.It's no use guessing that the reg is faulty only to find that something else is at the root of the trouble.When you know the problem it should be easy to cure it.
IF YOU KNEW HOW MUCH I PAID FOR THE ONE THAT HE 'FOUND'
Well, if you're not going to tell us how much you paid, at least tell us you got a full refund. Or they replaced it with a new one for free.
just got back from bike shop having new battery & new reg fitted
full refund for old reg
fizzwheel
22-09-06, 03:16 PM
just got back from bike shop having new battery & new reg fitted
full refund for old reg
Thats good news. Hopefully that'll be the end of it now.
*crosses fingers*
just got back from bike shop having new battery & new reg fitted
full refund for old reg
Also hope you weren't stiffed into buying a 2nd new battery.
If a new battery is drained should it not be able to be charged again?
Correct me if I'm wrong that you had already just bought a new battery.
well, slap my ass & call me bee-atch - I've just discovered a new function of my bike: I can put it in first & start it up with the clutch activated.
*impressed*
Right, where's the cup holders?
Dirk
just got back from bike shop having new battery & new reg fitted
full refund for old reg
Also hope you weren't stiffed into buying a 2nd new battery.
If a new battery is drained should it not be able to be charged again?
Correct me if I'm wrong that you had already just bought a new battery.
swaping for a better make?!?
seedy100
22-09-06, 07:56 PM
There are other potential problems with the charging system that could be causing both the battery and the reg/rec to fail.
I had similar problems and found hugh amounts of info here
http://www.thegsresources.com/garage/gs_statorfacts.htm
In my case it was just two naff batteries in succession (fingers crossed and still worried every time I come to start it.
- Acknowledgment to Sid Squid (I think) who posted the original link. :thumbsup:
CoolGirl
22-09-06, 08:45 PM
AFAIK: Mine will only start clutch in & in neutral. Won't start in gear. But then I always start it on hte side stand.
But now you've got me wondering. Maybe I should try a new combination - side stand up, clutch in, first gear. I *must've* tried this before, but now you've got me doubting myself.
Hope you sort the other stuff out.
So how do you start it again when it stalls in motion? I used to be able to do a rolling start just by pulling the clutch in and firing it up - no finding neutral or employing sidestand required.
Or perhaps you've just never stalled it! 8)
Stalled it twice - the same day. The day after I bought it - first coming to a red light, I was in second, the bike wanted to be in first - back wheel locked up & I somehow managed to keep it vertical.
second time going over elephant & castle, same thing. Managed to keep upright.
since then, I change v.frequently & haven't stalled it.
Hooray!
CoolGirl
22-09-06, 09:17 PM
Stalled it twice - the same day. The day after I bought it - first coming to a red light, I was in second, the bike wanted to be in first - back wheel locked up & I somehow managed to keep it vertical.
second time going over elephant & castle, same thing. Managed to keep upright.
since then, I change v.frequently & haven't stalled it.
Hooray!
well done you, and good to hear. But the point was making was that I doubt if you stopped, put the sidestand down and found neutral before you stared it up again.... geddit? :? Or how else would we ever bump start our bikes in second! so you probably have done it without thinking.
blimey - did you see that chaps? I answered on a technical point! :P
Ahh - got you. Nope I didn't put the side stand down. Just put it in neutral & started it up.
With hindsight I didnt' even need to do that. So then, cup holders... ;o)
Warthog
23-09-06, 04:16 PM
So then, cup holders... ;o)
They are just under the stereo on mine...
So then, cup holders... ;o)
They are just under the stereo on mine...
I take it yours is a K3? On my K6S they're either side of the ashtray, which is conveniently shielded from the wind just behind the screen.
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