Dodgy ebay bloke - The outcome

[instigator]

I purchased a set of renegade cans from a bloke on ebay. They were described as "few scratches here and there but nothing a good polish wouldn't sort out".

I received them but they were far from described with scuffs to both cans. I went straight to paypal and filed for a partial refund. Later on that evening he gets back to me, very angry that I didn't email him before. Needless to say we were'nt agreeing on anything and he would only offer £15 partial refund instead of £30 like I asked (he stated it would only cost £15 as only one can was damaged - I emailed him pictures of both damaged cans. He had the cheek to LIE to me straight about both cans not being damaged) He wasn't budging and I didn't want a full refund as I had already paid for the renegade 'surgery'. So I dropped the case and a few unpleaseant emails were exchanged. Mine weren't abusive as such just explaining why I didnt like how he lied to me. One of his replies:

YOU NEED TO THINK FIRST BEFORE OPENING YOUR MOUTH!!!! IF YOU WERENT SO QUICK
ON GOING TO EBAY THIS WOULDNT BE WHERE IT IS TODAY.
I HAVE NEVER HAD SUCH A BAD EBAYER AS YOU TO DEAL WITH, AND I NEVER WANT TO
DEAL WITH YOU AGAIN, WHICH I HAVE MADE SURE YOU WONT BE ABLE TOO!!
I WONDER HOW MANY OTHER TIMES YOU HAVE TRIED THIS ON WITH OTHER PEOPLE, IAM
SURE IAM NOT THE FIRST PERSON. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARENT WELCOME ON EBAY AND
GIVE IT A BAD NAME.
SO YOUR NOT WELCOME!!!!
MARK

Now, the next day, one of my items is bought via the Buy it now. I am now unpaid after 4-5 days. Ebay url is as follows:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170029804981&ssPageName=STRK:MESO:IT&ih=007

So I dig about and notice this ebayer has also recently won a Chrysler for £3800. Who was the seller? The same guy I bought the cans from, thats who!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150027987632

Needless to say I was very suspect. But whats this...*rummages about more*...oh...would you look at that

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4629112977&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2

She bought a busa as well!!! Co-incidence? :lol: I think not.

More rummaging about and they both live in Southampton.

I've never got along well with ebays search menu and trying to find out what is against the rules, has any 'offence' been committed here? I would like to perhaps blackmail him for the partial refund I am entitled to. Or just get him banned. But I know that isn't straightforward.

[CheekyLemon]

I'm a bit lost if I'm honest. Are you saying there are two people selling to each other who are friends? (to try and up the ratings etc?)

[instigator]

I'm a bit lost if I'm honest. Are you saying there are two people selling to each other who are friends? (to try and up the ratings etc?)

What I'm saying is (I'm never very clear :x ) that:

I bought an item from bloke A.

Bloke A has had two items won by Bloke B yet Bloke B has never left Feedback for Bloke A. Bloke B is, in my opinion, shill bidding

When I fell out with Bloke A over a faulty item, Bloke B bids on my item, wins it and doesn't pay (and I know Bloke B will not pay for it). Bloke A was very angry with me.

Bloke A and Bloke B live in the same town.

It's too much of a co-incidence.

[Kinvig]

posssibly a coincidence.

You can only get a star from each ebayer once. So if you buy multiple items from "your friend" then give him good feedback, you only get one star.

[Warthog]

I guess it depends on whether you want more refund or you want him banned. Go straight to ebay with all the info and he might get banned, or if you are confident enough, take all the evidence to him, and blackmail him as a bluff. Keep us updated!

[Carsick]

Why didn't you talk to him first?

Not sure about the multiple accounts thing. It could be a rather unsuccessful attempt at shilling. If he keeps winning with the other account, then it's going to cost him in final value fees, especially on bikes and cars.

[Coddy_SV1000Z]

report them to ebay mate, i got a few kicked off the other week as they were bidding up their own items that i was bidding on, they had left each other feedback for buying and selling 3 times on the same day both from sunderland

[K]

It is against ebay's policies for two people at the same address to bid on each others items - as for in the same town etc - if it was a dummy bid to either hike the price or to avoid a sale then it's also against their rules, however I don't know how you go about proving it or how ebay go about investigating it.

With regards to your unpaid item I'd attempt to contact the buy through email and ebay's messaging system - give them a couple of days to get back to you and if they don't, send them another message declaring your intent to open an 'Unpaid Item' dispute with ebay unless they contact you or send payment by a set date.
If the date arrives with no contact or funds, open the dispute.

I would always make a couple of attempts to contact any buyer or seller first before contacting ebay or paypal - (it may be that because you went straight to paypoal this guy's got his back up :smt102 ) - unexpected things happen, people make mistakes, computers fall over, servers go down, life in general just sometimes puts a spanner in the works.

Personally I would advise the above and then washing your hands of it and moving on. Is a petty little tit for tat thing really worth it? Blackmailing him - where's the point?

[instigator]

Personally I would advise the above and then washing your hands of it and moving on. Is a petty little tit for tat thing really worth it? Blackmailing him - where's the point?

It is worth it in my book yes because I bought an item which was described far better than it physically was. I did only ask for a partial refund from him, I did go straight to paypal but that is because I have no time to mess about and finances are very tight this month so needed to resolve the matter quickly. It really isn't tit for tat or petty I feel. I only want what I feel I am entitled to.

He isn't out of pocket whatsoever in this matter yet he feels it necessary to buy and not pay for one of my items. :? I think that is the petty part. But I know what you are saying.

I have emailed the buyer of my exhaust 3 times, once right after, once on saturday and once today, sent an invoice as well.

Warthog - I want my £30 refund esentially. Whether this be through blackmail or otherwise. I'm not bothered about getting him 'abbned' through shill bidding, too many people do that. He'd get found out eventually.

I will let you all know what happens. :)

Think I'll email him first with my findings and see what he says.

[Demonz]

I would wait a little while for the item to become properly unpaid. Then report him otherwise he will pay for it and get away.

[instigator]

Because I said I'd keep you up to date...

I emailed him and didn't offer any last chance to give me a partial refund, I jsut said I have reported him and another user to ebay for shill bidding. This is the reply I get:

you f****** W**KER !!!!!!!!
obviously a trader trying to get more of your money back for 1 reason only,,,,profit
i am writing to e-bay to let them know how you have gone about trying to ask for a partial refund, when you have just sold them for more money with out even changing the end caps that you said were damaged beyond repair, as i sais many of times they cant even be seen when on the bike.
that poor girl really wanted those pipes in the first place so are you going to be honest and tell her that you SCREWED her over a £100.00, i will keep your sell sheet and send this into e-bay.
then e-mail your buyer bikerchick and let her know what you did to her, (u tosser).
and as for that other item pinkcruiser bought they are a local biker gang in my area so if you want to **** with them be my guest, they play even better games than me, i dare you to play with them.so on a final note
W**KER

He's a nice chap eh. I have never bad mouthed him, not once and ended everything with "kind regards" etc and now comes this abuse. And I feel a threat is next. :roll:

[james160987]

so did u sell these on for £100 quid profit then?

[21QUEST]

so did u sell these on for £100 quid profit then?

What's that got to do with the price of bread :? .
It's just I'm bit confused as to why that is relevant if the seller misrepresented the bits in the first place.


Cheers
Ben

[instigator]

so did u sell these on for £100 quid profit then?

Good god no mate!

I bought them for £200 all in from the seller. (including postage)

I bought a midsection from TSM which cost me £20 including postage to Renegade, I then spent £30 on the surgery and an additional £10.50 (I think) on psotage from renegade to my place.

I sold them today for £240, the buyer who won them saved moeny basically. :? I was looking to keep them but they weren't mint and money is incredibly tight this month hence selling everything :( I thought I could manage finances this month and manage to keep them as they aren't common on ebay but I was wrong.

I do usually sell exhausts on for profit but I usually use them firstly and prefer damaged ones that I can fix. :)

I don't quite know where he got £100 profit from, the guys really barmy!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh and I never said they were 'beyond repair' as well, he jsut made that up. And I had dropped my case against him, stopped asking for a partial refund. I jsut left negative feedback and left it and he went beserk, making stuff up!!! :lol:

[virus]

I'm a bit lost if I'm honest. Are you saying there are two people selling to each other who are friends? (to try and up the ratings etc?)

What I'm saying is (I'm never very clear :x ) that:

I bought an item from bloke A.

Bloke A has had two items won by Bloke B yet Bloke B has never left Feedback for Bloke A. Bloke B is, in my opinion, shill bidding

When I fell out with Bloke A over a faulty item, Bloke B bids on my item, wins it and doesn't pay (and I know Bloke B will not pay for it). Bloke A was very angry with me.

Bloke A and Bloke B live in the same town.

It's too much of a co-incidence.

That happens all the time in the us. I always watch for strange bidding. Just keep and eye out and if your not sure don't bid on it. Hope everything works out.

[Red ones]

Is it any wonder I no longer use ebay?

I trust Tesco more than I traust ebay!

[Baph]

Some people take negative ebay feedback VERY personally.

I once bought a DVD (Peter Pan) for a friend & her child, as it was the only source we could find for that particular cover (don't ask). DVD arrived & the Mrs asked me to check it, as she thought it was a fake. No big problem to us (shhh!) but to our friend, this was almost worse than murder! Needless to say it was a fake, so we told our friend about it & asked what she'd prefer to do (it was her money that had bought it afterall). She said to send it back & get a refund, if we could.

I emailled the person selling it just to get similar replies of "how dare you you ******** call my sales illegal" blah blah blah. I just dropped it there & then, mainly because for £7.50 it wasn't worth the stress, and I paid my friend the "refund", and kept the DVD for us. The kids watched it only the other day.

For £200 I think I'd of been a bit more insistant though. It's experiences like this that mean I RARELY buy anything off ebay, even if it means I spend more money elsewhere. I just prefer the thought of not having to fight to get my money back if I need to.

Good luck with everything instigator, and keep us posted :)

[Viney]

oooo...local biker gang :lol: Plllleeeeeeeeeaaaaaassssseeeeee.

[northwind]

"Pinkcruiser" is in a bike gang? :)

I had a bit of a run-in with a guy who sold me a guitar as "in great condition", which turned out to be basically wrecked- repairable, but only just, and only because I'm quite handy with guitars. Some of the photos had been doctored too. So, reported him to Ebay, and a fwe days later I got a phone call at 5am one day "You've been giving my friend some trouble over a guitar. Leave it alone or you'll get more than phone calls". But, because I'd not made it to the phone they actually recorded their threatening message on my answer phone ;)

So, I 1471'd it, the halfwit hadn't even bothered to withhold the number, and lo and behold it was the seller's number. So I phoned him back and told him I was a police officer, and that if I didn't get a full refund by the end of the day he could expect a visit, and a court case ;) 2 minutes later I got the money back by Paypal.

But, remember, lies make baby jesus cry, and impersonating a police officer is a criminal offence ;)

[Shellywoozle]

Instigator,

This is what I would do, don't know if I am too late in posting :-

1) Keep all emails from this ebayer on your computer, leave them in the IN BOX (once they are moved they can be doctored by urself)

2) Go via ebay and tell them everything, start with your purchase, then your sale, then the threats and then your "suspicions" about Bloke A and Bloke B.

3) Make sure you do not have your post code showng on ebay.

4) Sit and wait on ebay's decision.

5) If you receive further threats go to the rossers who will track him down on the ebay address / IP data and they will have to at least go and speak to him, dependant on the nature of the threats they may act differently. This may stop problems in future when you selling on ebay :roll:

Dunno but I would do it by the book and by-pass the ebayer as he is obvioulsy a little unhinged to say the least

[instigator]

But, remember, lies make baby jesus cry, and impersonating a police officer is a criminal offence ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: Excellent :lol:

Instigator,

This is what I would do, don't know if I am too late in posting :-

1) Keep all emails from this ebayer on your computer, leave them in the IN BOX (once they are moved they can be doctored by urself)

2) Go via ebay and tell them everything, start with your purchase, then your sale, then the threats and then your "suspicions" about Bloke A and Bloke B.

3) Make sure you do not have your post code showng on ebay.

4) Sit and wait on ebay's decision.

5) If you receive further threats go to the rossers who will track him down on the ebay address / IP data and they will have to at least go and speak to him, dependant on the nature of the threats they may act differently. This may stop problems in future when you selling on ebay :roll:

Dunno but I would do it by the book and by-pass the ebayer as he is obvioulsy a little unhinged to say the least

Hi Shelly.

Thanks for your reply. I've not moved any emails as of yet and don't plan to either! The guy did send the item to me so has my full address although I somewhat think he is pulling my leg (he says hopefully). The fact that I emailed him about the shill bidding and I get that torrent of abuse back shows that I really have unearthed his little scheme. :lol: The shill bidding case is with ebay just now. Will let you know how it goes.

[Shellywoozle]

Ahh didn't think about him havin your address .... am I being dumb :lol:

If you are any way concerned just report it to rossers and say that you don't want to make official complaint but you would like him spoken to on the phone and warned.

I had something similar happen and they did that happily because the other person was out my area and they would have had to get another force involved otherwise.

Worked a treat for me :P

[pete m]

Dont expect e bay to do much - when i got into a similar type of dispute and the two of us exchanged pleasantries by feedback, all e bay offered to do was put us in touch with each other - :lol: :lol: :lol: which didnt help as we had been disagreeing for weeks, via e mail...

totally useless - last time i sold on e bay.. :x

[Baph]

GEEK ALERT!

Email in your inbox can still be altered by yourself. The email client keeps data in simple text format (usually - even if it doesn't, its not hard). So long as you have the emails, don't worry about what folder they're in.

</GeekAlert>

As for the threats, they can be very disheartening/upsetting, I understand (I think). Personally, I'm not the type of person to get put off easily.

Before now, I've had death threats posted to me, with CCTV stills from the local town/nightclubs (note plural). I've had a guy sat outside my house taking photographs, all because this girl left a guy for me. Childish stuff, but not half as childish as the stuff we did in the window just to get some nice photo's. But I can't comment on that on a U-rated forum :oops:

Looking back on the time of my life, I was lucky. The guy threatening me got into his argument with his best friend. The arguement resulted in the friend (not the idiot threatening me) spending time at her magesties pleasure. Permenantly.

Now, I've got a family to think about, but I still wouldn't be put off easily, and my dubious past has given me a lot of contacts.

instigator, do as Shellywoozie says, report it to the police, get them to give you an "incident number" but don't make a formal complaint yet. This way, you have history of the case before anything happens.

If he keeps it up, well, send the boys round to his place ;) :lol:

[Ceri JC]

I once bought a DVD (Peter Pan) for a friend & her child, as it was the only source we could find for that particular cover (don't ask). DVD arrived & the Mrs asked me to check it, as she thought it was a fake. No big problem to us (shhh!) but to our friend, this was almost worse than murder! Needless to say it was a fake, so we told our friend about it & asked what she'd prefer to do (it was her money that had bought it afterall). She said to send it back & get a refund, if we could.

I emailled the person selling it just to get similar replies of "how dare you you ******** call my sales illegal" blah blah blah. I just dropped it there & then, mainly because for £7.50 it wasn't worth the stress, and I paid my friend the "refund", and kept the DVD for us. The kids watched it only the other day.


Yes. A similar story that happened to us is why I won't buy (or sell) things for family/mates who don't have ebay accounts. My gf bought an ipod "sock" for £7. Seller never shipped it, ignored all emails, closed down their paypal account etc. so there was no way of getting the money back. Well, talk about crime of the century. It must have been worth spending the time getting all the positive feedback to make such a killing. I expect they're probably living off the profits in the Med as we speak. :roll: :lol:

Still, for £7, it wasn't worth it and my gf felt tight saying to her mate, "yes, you got ripped off, so I can't give you your money or the ipod sock", so she ended up just giving her the £7 and saying they'd sold out. As you say, had it been £200, it'd be a bit different.

[instigator]

Just to let people know the outcome...

About 2 days after his abusive email when he realised he was getting nowhere with it, he tried to do a mutually agree feedback withdrawl thing. Where my comments are removed from his record and his comments are removed from mine. I found that quite funny when he gave me positive feedback anyway. :lol:

I thought about removing my comments for all of 0.2 seconds before deleting the email.

What a chancer. :lol: