Parking Penalty Charge - On A Motorbike?

[Steve_God]

Can parking tickets be issued to a bike parked on a pavement that is locked up to a metal fence and parked as close to the fence (and not causing an obstruction) as physically possible.

Also... if one was issued, say around the throttle grip that could easily slide off, could this be ignored?

(I'm sure you get my drift...) :?

Any past experiences?

[Law]

I had one for obstruction when I parked on an extra wide pavement. There was loads of room to go round until this 4x4 parked on the pavement next to my bike as well.

Someone saw a traffic warden hovering round my bike and by the time I got to the bike they'd gone. Couldn't see a ticket on the 4x4 or my bike, but this friendly pedestrian handed my ticket from the floor which had blown off the seat.

Paid it, but what really annoyed me was the 4x4 didn't get one!!

[Apophes]

i got one in bridlington bike was chained to a tree on the grass verge ticket said obstruction ...... did the tree want to go some where was my defence still had to cough up :(

[Scubini]

Can parking tickets be issued to a bike parked on a pavement that is locked up to a metal fence and parked as close to the fence (and not causing an obstruction) as physically possible.

Yes but there is a a very useful loophole which you can use to get out of it. Scan and post the ticket or email it to me and IL tell you if it applies to you.

Also... if one was issued, say around the throttle grip that could easily slide off, could this be ignored?

I wouldn't recommend it.

(I'm sure you get my drift...) :?

Any past experiences?

See here for more details

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi?redirect=st.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5351458

[TSM]

Work out if the place where your bike was parked was private land or not.

[Grinch]

I think the UK is the only country that it is illegal to park on the pavement, cars or bikes. Its just that its one of those laws that is so ignored no one remembers.

[SV1000s]

Yes you can I'm afraid.

I've paid 2 fines for this, I trhink they call it 'parked with one or more wheels of the vehicle on a pavement' or some other such BS.

Always worth a challenge, 2 years ago I had a car reverse into my SV pushing the rear wheel onto the pavement, I got a ticket but I was lucky enough to have photos of the scrape marks from the side stand etc etc.

Velcro number plates are good, as are bike covers (they aren't allowed to lift the cover).

:roll:

[SV1000s]

All the info you need...

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_roads/documents/page/dft_roads_504743.hcsp

[Jabba]

Velcro number plates are good, as are bike covers (they aren't allowed to lift the cover).

I think the rules changed a little while ago.......yes they can lift the cover.

[Carsick]

Work out if the place where your bike was parked was private land or not.
Makes very little difference if was a pavement use for public access. If you obstruct them, you can get a ticket.

[SV1000s]

Velcro number plates are good, as are bike covers (they aren't allowed to lift the cover).

I think the rules changed a little while ago.......yes they can lift the cover.

OK, well not in Westminster they can't.

We need to remember that most wardens are controlled buy the local council so some rules are different.

[FG1]

You have to ask yourself, if they are putting a ticket on it for obstruction, how can they put a ticket on it then leave the scene. Surely if it was causing an obstruction they would still be there...........

[DarrenSV650S]

Velcro number plates are good

If you parked your bike and removed the number plate so that you couldnt get a ticket, do you think you would get away with sayin something like "I was worried someone was going to steal my plate as this is very common nowadays" :roll:

[lynw]

Velcro number plates are good, as are bike covers (they aren't allowed to lift the cover).

I think the rules changed a little while ago.......yes they can lift the cover.

OK, well not in Westminster they can't.

Oh yes they can... :wink: :P :lol:

If you read www.motorcycleparking.com and the tips about parking on pavements its pretty much covered. In fact Westminster were pretty much the first council to go for this - the wardens now carry cameras with them to photograph before and after in case you allege they damaged it.

[SV1000s]

Ooops.....out of touch I guess.

I won't bother reading, I'll just not park my bike on a pavement, as I know that that's an offence then........... I just won't.



Things do change don't they?

[lynw]

Ooops.....out of touch I guess.

I won't bother reading, I'll just not park my bike on a pavement, as I know that that's an offence then........... I just won't.



Things do change don't they?

AFAIK this has been a new policy for about a year. Tbh it depends on where you are. I know down Goswell Road, Rosebury Avenue and around Islington bikes do park on the pavements seemingly unimpeeded. I think its particularly in the West End which is in part the problem - theres no consistency across boroughs. :?

In short the new rules are, if you are parked on private land its pretty much ok, with the exception of if that land is a walkway and your bike obstructs it when they can ticket you on private land. If its on the pavement, that could be deemed an obstrutction and they have the right to lift covers and check tax disc if no plate is on the bike.

[Sholay]

Bit of a devil's advocate post.

I think it is a good law that people can't park vehicles on the pavements. The pavements are there for the use and safety of pedestrians, some of whom are blind, crippled, wheelchair users etc. They need to have the pavements clear for their use.

As with all laws, a little discretion in enfocement is a good thing, unfortunately traffic wardens I don't think do discretion - if it is parked where it shouldn't be then it gets a ticket. What the hell it is only a fine, if you take the risk then you pay the penalty if caught. (I have been by the way.)

[Viney]

Can parking tickets be issued to a bike parked on a pavement that is locked up to a metal fence and parked as close to the fence (and not causing an obstruction) as physically possible.

Also... if one was issued, say around the throttle grip that could easily slide off, could this be ignored?

(I'm sure you get my drift...) :?

Any past experiences?OK, my better half knows about these things. Yes it can be issued under code 62, and no dont ignore it as it will lead to balifs etc banging down your door. there are no loopholes, and the ones that epole think exist dont. Just pay up and dont park on the pavement in future, it is an offence.#

HTH

[Scubini]

there are no loopholes, and the ones that epole think exist dont.

Not true!

The two date issue has been validated in the High Court by Justice Jackson he said:

that the requirement of the two dates had been mentioned by adjudicators on more than one occasion.

He emphasised that the statutory requirement of the form of the PCN were simple and clear - compliance was not difficult and a specimen had been available for more than 10 years. Enforcing authorities therefore had no excuse for non-compliance.

He deemed non-compliant PCNs a nullity.

See the transcript here
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2006/2357.html

I also recently got a ticket for parking on the pavement (very wide, not an obstruction and next to a bike rack) I appealed using the aforementioned loophole and won! I also know of many people who have used this defence successfully also.

What are the BBC talking about if there is no loophole?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi?redirect=st.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5351458

[Steve_God]

They must have changed it... in brackets it now says 'Date of Issue' under the time it was seen, and all references are made to the date of issue, so that loophole is no-longer valid, for Birmingham at least anyway.

Any other thoughts?

[james160987]

here is a good question, they say no wheels on the pavement, you know the roads that people live on, where there is no driveway or garages, the terrace sort, and every car has 2 wheels on the pavement either side, no one does anything about, good thing to as if they enforced it no one would be able to get up and down the road lol

[Scubini]

They must have changed it... in brackets it now says 'Date of Issue' under the time it was seen, and all references are made to the date of issue, so that loophole is no-longer valid, for Birmingham at least anyway.

Any other thoughts?

Bad luck :(

Only other thing I know of to check is whether the council have jurisdiction over this bit of pavement in the TRO for this road/area.

Note : If you appeal during the discounted time period you can still pay at the discounted rate if they refuse it. (the case in my area anyway)

I appealed one a while ago with no other reason than I couldn't find a space when visiting a charity organisation to do some work for them. I guess they must have been having a good day or something cos they let me off. :D

HTH

Let us know what happens m8 :wink:

[SV1000s]

Any other thoughts?

Yeah, pay it before it doubles.

[embee]

here is a good question, they say no wheels on the pavement, you know the roads that people live on, where there is no driveway or garages, the terrace sort, and every car has 2 wheels on the pavement either side, no one does anything about, good thing to as if they enforced it no one would be able to get up and down the road lol

If I remember correctly you are not "entitled" to park in the road at all, it is a highway not a parking area. The fact that parking a vehicle in the road is "overlooked" is not the same as being authorised or permitted to park there. Just another of those quaint perversions of the British law.