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A quick question for you folks.
My company sent me on a training course, about £1500 worth they say. Now that I've quit, they say I must pay the money back and are threatening to withhold my leave pay and expenses money to do so.
I never signed anything that stated I was liable for this money and when I joined it wasn't in the company rules or my letter of appointment.
Other employees who have recently been signed up for training have signed the letters saying that they'll pay the money back if they leave within 3 years.
I'm going in tomorrow to write an email saying that I will not pay them back and that if they do take money off me I'll take them to an industrial tribunal. Although I have no idea what that would entail and I'm basically out on a limb here.
They also said that I wasn't getting paid on my normal payday, the 15th of the month. The letter said that my P45 and final payment would follow in "due course".
WTF do I do, if they don't pay me on the normal day I'll already be in trouble. If I argue and they withhold money I'll be in more trouble, financially.
None of this really helps when everybody around me seems to be wigging out...
no idea, but try dropping ed a PM and mabe you will get lucky.
fizzwheel
08-10-06, 09:09 PM
Check the small print of your job contract if you have one. I have a clause in mine that says I have to pay back training costs or a % of them if I leave within a certain time period.
Citizens advice for you I would think unless you've been already ?
I'd be careful about writing anything down at the moment, I'd be asking them for written confirmation of what they are saying to you about having to pay the training costs back and not saying anything in reply until you have got some proper advice from somebody who knows what they are talking about.
I.e not me :lol:
Without wishing to pry, but have you f*cked them off by quiting, have you given proper notice etc etc, sounds like somebody somewhere is holding a grudge over something and are trying to make things difficult for you.
Hope you get it sorted.
no idea, but try dropping ed a PM
fine
and mabe you will get lucky.
NOT BL**DY LIKELY :lol:
Without wishing to pry, but have you f*cked them off by quiting, have you given proper notice etc etc, sounds like somebody somewhere is holding a grudge over something and are trying to make things difficult for you.
I gave them 30 days when I put my notice in, will do my job until that day. They probably are angry at me quitting but I see no other way.
Thanks I'll see how it goes today :wink:
Any advice I could offer is just common sense stuff you've probably thought of already, but I hope things go OK for you in the end.
It's crappy enough to be put into a situation where your only real option is quitting - this sound like icing the cake doesn't need. :(
Good luck.
All the HR people seemed to be on holiday today, now I have to wait until tomorrow to fight.. ermm discuss this with them.
Fizzy Fish
09-10-06, 06:02 PM
Check the small print of your job contract if you have one. I have a clause in mine that says I have to pay back training costs or a % of them if I leave within a certain time period.
I'd be asking them for written confirmation of what they are saying to you about having to pay the training costs back and not saying anything in reply until you have got some proper advice from somebody who knows what they are talking about.
I.e not me :lol:
what he said!
I've worked at a few places where they'll pay for training but with conditions to pay the money back if you leave within a certain time, and they've always involved signing some sort of form/contract before funds are released.
What happened was that a supervisor booked the training course, he should have set it up but let the HR department book it and they would have sent me the form. I know this because he told me as he's also working his notice.
Other people who started after me have had to sign these forms, but I never did. I didn't even request this training, they just got it booked and sent me on it.
Bunch of snakes the lot of 'em.
Red ones
09-10-06, 07:22 PM
How about just asking for proof of the notice that it is repayable and that you had accepted the costs?
it won't be produced because it doesn't exist!
...and then I'd start muttering about it being an unlawful deduction from wages under the Wages Act... and how you were constructively dismissed by weak and spineless management not listening to your reasonable complaints about having to deal with drug dealers armed with offensive weapons, all without management support or any support....
Well it's one of those things I'll be holding in reserve. I have another cunning plan that involves claiming for about 6 months worth of standby allowance @ £40 a week it'll be just enough to buy me a new boiler for the house.
Of course they'll probably just go nuts and try claw back other money from me somewhere else. Tough, I'm angry now, getting more and more in the mood for a fight.
Violence never solved anything, but it's certainly a lot of fun :lol:
I'd go the route that Ed said. Tell them about unlawful deductions, constructive dismissal because of a lack of support. There's a law that states something about the workplace must be a comfortable place as far as physically possible, and the recent incident of scaring folks away from toilets seems far from comfortable. Lack of support from your employer could easily be viewed as causing you to feel like you HAVE to leave.
Tell them that you're planning on claiming for standby allowance. But also let them know that you're flexible, and if they're fair, you'll be fair. After all, the best outcome surely is that you get paid what you're owed legally, and you at least have the opportunity of a fair reference.
The rest, IMHO, is just water under the bridge.
If all of the above doesn't work, find the smack heads & have a chat. It'd be tempting to tell them that I was only acting on behalf of my manager, and if they had a problem with it, this is where he works etc etc. Obviously that'd be my course of action in a last resort, and I'm not advising you to do anything. :twisted:
I think this whole thing has made me very very unwell. I'm off to bed.
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