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SpankyHam
09-10-06, 06:15 AM
Everytime I accelerated - he did too. No chance at all for me to overtake him on the SV.
Made me feel like I'm riding a scooter.
Everytime I accelerated - he did too. No chance at all for me to overtake him on the SV.
Made me feel like I'm riding a scooter.
I think they feel they have a point to prove "My car is as fast as a bike" kind of thing.
I once had one (Mitsubishi Evo again) try and keep up with me on a fairly twisty A road in Lincolnshire once, pillock was doing some suicidal overtakes to try and keep up.
I had a go at one of these when I was coming home from Poole Quay a few weeks ago. I stuggled.....a lot.
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/rufrk06.jpg
Power = 435 bhp
Torque = 470 Nm
0 - 60 = 4 seconds
Top Speed = 186mph
Acceleration was pretty even, maybe I had the edge, until we got to the corners. He could carry a lot greater corner speed, especially as my bottle was starting to go at 145 :oops:
SpankyHam
09-10-06, 11:09 AM
funny enough I finally overtook him on a roundabout.
He kept slowing right down everytime at roundabouts.
I think he just bought the car or something...
Anyway I still gave him the thumb up when passing him
or was it :toss: :lol:
I can't remember :D
As much as I love cars, 0-60 in 4 secs in a car is nowhere near as exiting as 0-60 in 4 secs on a bike.
Sadly I corner much faster in any car than I can on my SV :oops: :wink:
mysteryjimbo
09-10-06, 12:25 PM
As much as I love cars, 0-60 in 4 secs in a car is nowhere near as exiting as 0-60 in 4 secs on a bike.
Sadly I corner much faster in any car than I can on my SV :oops: :wink: :lol: :lol:
Red ones
09-10-06, 01:08 PM
I surprised a guy in a Porsche Caymen S one night - by sitting next to him form the lights to 100.
I see him regularly - we just exchange smiles now.
lukemillar
09-10-06, 01:35 PM
I had a go at one of these when I was coming home from Poole Quay a few weeks ago. I stuggled.....a lot.
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/rufrk06.jpg
Power = 435 bhp
Torque = 470 Nm
0 - 60 = 4 seconds
Top Speed = 186mph
Acceleration was pretty even, maybe I had the edge, until we got to the corners. He could carry a lot greater corner speed, especially as my bottle was starting to go at 145 :oops:
Wimp.
Steve H
09-10-06, 02:42 PM
To be honest, the SV should be quicker up to about 90-100 from a standing start.
Obviously when you get to accelerating on the motorway, the Evo will be more than a match.
Not that I make a habit of it, but I once had a 'spat' with an SP1 Subabru Impreza (on a straight, lengthy B road) the Impreza was struggling from start to ..............the Legal limit. :oops:
Id swop my sv for an evo any time.
I once had one of these clowns in an Evo VI tailgating my SV off a roundabout on a dual carriageway. I accelerated hard from 30 to 100 and pulled away from him more than convincingly.
At that point I thought ok point proved and shut off. But he kept accelerating whilst I was engine braking and undertook me. He then came to the queue at the next roundabout and I sailed past him!
Proves that it is not worth messing with these planks as they have no sense and will take any risks. If that guy had of crashed into the back of someone long after I had stopped racing then I could have still faced a stiff punishment or even jail if someone had been killed.
I think the SV would struggle full stop against an FQ400 or something. With a standard model like the Evo VI from a rolling start you will be in deep trouble if you do it from 80mph+ as at that speed there won't be much difference in performance. I def wouldn't pull up alongside one at 90 and start trying to race it.
My mate had an Impreza P1 which is quicker than the Evo VI at the time I had my SV and when driving the car I found it definitely felt a lot slower than the SV but only up to 90ish. Standing start figures from 0-100 the car does get beaten easy.
You really need an SS600 if you want to spank all of those tw*ts in all scenarios though. So yeah I'd swap an SV for one when all things are considered but not my Zixxer in a million years.
When i had my old GS500E i had an embarrassing defeat to a big Merc saloon that somehow beat me up to 60 or so, then vanished into the distance. The gs aint exactly quick, but a mercedes saloon? Little 4-year-old kid in the back looked so smug as his dad hammered me off the line too :oops: :cry:
On the SV though, i havent had anything come even close at "reasonable" speeds, and i wouldnt even think of trying to beat sportscars on roll-on over 70 or so. Usually wouldnt be thinking of "playing" at all at those speeds, but we all have our moments...
I think it's time to fit NOS :thumbsup:
When i had my old GS500E i had an embarrassing defeat to a big Merc saloon that somehow beat me up to 60 or so, then vanished into the distance. The gs aint exactly quick, but a mercedes saloon? Little 4-year-old kid in the back looked so smug as his dad hammered me off the line too :oops: :cry:
On the SV though, i havent had anything come even close at "reasonable" speeds, and i wouldnt even think of trying to beat sportscars on roll-on over 70 or so. Usually wouldnt be thinking of "playing" at all at those speeds, but we all have our moments...
Depends what model it is as I bet there are some stupidly quick ones.
I was out in my hot hatch one night and saw what I thought was large merc join the dual carriageway behind me. I was accelerating flat out in what is a respectably quick car and then this massive tank came flying past me like an SS600 would (well almost). Turned out it was one of those Bentley Continental GT things. 200mph car, bet that would beat my Ninja from a rolling 140mph start too!
Anyhow no doubt Merc do something similar. Having a bike doesn't mean you can beat anything and everything on four wheels in all situations, I think you still have to know your cars like the back of your hand (buy Evo magazine or something) and pick your fights carefully at times especially around my way where there are £100,000+ cars flying around!
kwak zzr
09-10-06, 06:48 PM
my first car v bike racing experience was on my zzr600, on the way home from work one day just merging onto a duel carriage way when a impreza estate thingy pulled along side me at around 40mph i nail'd the kwak up to 100 and then looked in my mirrors to find the scooby doo right behind me :shock: i wasn't expecting that, i pulled over and he shot past :? he must have had point to prove doing 100 on that road :wink:
What the heck? The quickest model they do in estate trim is the basic WRX type affair, AFAIK they have never done STi estates?!?
The ZZR600 should make mince meet out of one of them in those circumstance as they aren't any quicker than my hot hatch.
Must have been highly tuned is all I can guess, but why do that to an estate!
Bluepete
09-10-06, 07:03 PM
I ride to and from work with a mate on a CBR 600, we seem to attract attention :shock:
However, we both had very :oops: faces when a heavilly mod'd nissan 200sx beeped at us to get out of the way at 100 plus from a set of lights on the East Lancs! We gave way with good grace. ( made him work for it though)
Today, bloke in BMW M3 wouldn't move over, again on the 'Lancs so at the roundabout, we both went for it. I was parallel with him all the way to 139 mph, then he had the extra 16 mph to his limiter.
Not bothered in the least by this fun stuff on dual carriages, but tw*ts who try to play on main roads make life unsafe for us all.
Best policy, as mentioned, let them pass, then cruise by serenely in traffic or lights. :D
kwak zzr
09-10-06, 07:27 PM
from a stand still a bike will beat just about anything, but from a 40mph roll on a fast car will have the grunt :oops: ive had trouble catching a golf gti on the sv :shock:
My bike changing moment was a Holden Camaro on the A30 :oops: It was the day I fell outa love with my SV :cry:
jimmy4237
09-10-06, 07:42 PM
My dad used to be 2nd overall in the Scottish Rally Championsship back in the 70's and mid 80's. He had late pal (passed away a few years ago) with a brute of a 4wd Escort Cosworth running a T34 turbo amongst other tuning parts, and that Cossie made almost 400bhp.
Lets just say that you wouldn't try and keep up with these two nutters down a fast "A" or "B" road. Sideways powersliding on bends was the order of the day when the coppers weren't around :shock: :shock: As was 9 miles to the gallon :lol: :lol:
Dad got a shot of WRX STI Scooby once, and dared a boy on a gixxer 750 to race down a "private" road (18 miles long). Wish I had a videocamera... You don't race a former rally driver in a pukka hooligans machine who knows what they're doing.
The rally driver won in the bends, but the gixxer flew past us on the longish straights. Quite an even match. You'd be surprised. The average time for 18 miles over a bendy and fast "a" road was 15 minutes for both crazy pilots :roll: :roll:
(Saying no more.......)
valleyboy
09-10-06, 07:43 PM
Ive had my (silly) moments as well... chased an Impreza WRX down on a B road near me in the rain!, theres a straight stretch off a small roundabout, as I pulled up to the roundabout as he was coming around it, he looked at me.. and gunned it... it was game on then :twisted: as he probably had a 35mph head start on me as well.... caught up with him at about 110ish mph.. I would have overtaken him.. but luckily I know the roads, and the other side of the road on this stretch is VERY bumpy, way to bumpy for my Kwak to stay in contact with the tarmac... so just sat up his **** laughing my head of shouting 'IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!' :lol: he then overtook a 4x4 carrying a horse trailer on a blind bend.. at which point I stopped playing games with him then.... I wasnt that desperate to prove he overspent on his car by about £20K! :lol:
Plaid silly buggers with various cars.. cornering on a sharp bend at 135 can be quite scary as well.. especialy when you aint got your feet on the pegs correctly when your boot grounds down... :oops: foot shot off the peg, and I ended up cornering at high speed trailing one of my legs behind me just off the peg... :shock:
you have to be VERY disciplined to not play silly buggers on my bike, as the damn thing begs to be thrashed.. and you end up going much quicker than you think you are :P my mate had a go on it and said simular things... it really does bring out the mental side of you when your on it! :lol:
cornering on a sharp bend at 135 can be quite scary as well..
It's amazing how tight bends get at that speed innit. :wink: :lol:
jonboy99
09-10-06, 07:49 PM
You don't need that hot a car to keep up with a bike on a tight twisty ride. The difference is there's so much more room to make mistakes without binning it in a car. Margin for error much less on a bike eg if there's some gravel or dung on a bend etc. A car wouldn't even notice - i'd be faster round some of my favourite twisties in my car, and i've only got a little skoda fabia!
On a gixxer6 i've caught up to a ferrari 355 up to about 130 pretty sharpish on a straight, but above that we hit the twisty bit of the snake pass in the wet, and discretion rapidly became the better part of valour.. :mrgreen:
Yeah I probably cornered much quicker in the old banger I had a few years back but then I was able to corner at 99% of its capability and feel safe. In my current car with ESP and all that stuff I can take it to 100% without a worry.
On the bike I only corner at 40% of what it is capable of "just in case".
So I never race anyone on single carriageway or down twisty roads. Quick blast on the dual carriageway and that is it.
valleyboy
09-10-06, 08:29 PM
cornering on a sharp bend at 135 can be quite scary as well..
It's amazing how tight bends get at that speed innit. :wink: :lol:
hell yes.. at 60 you could yawn around some of them.. at more than double that speed things get a bit hairy.. :lol:
cornering on a sharp bend at 135 can be quite scary as well..
It's amazing how tight bends get at that speed innit. :wink: :lol:
hell yes.. at 60 you could yawn around some of them.. at more than double that speed things get a bit hairy.. :lol:
For me big sweepers would be sharp bends at 135mph :shock: :wink:
Jelster
09-10-06, 11:20 PM
I was surprised when I kept up with a ZZR600 down a Surrey back road in the car the other week. I have to say the the grunt form the ST is pretty good low down and it grips amazingly for a front wheel drive machine.
When we got to the lights at the other end he says "that's bloody quick"..... "Not as quick as my 'Blade though" I replied....
But yes, 'tis true, a decent 250bhp car, once rolling can move pretty quickly, and good ones will corner quicker than most bike riders, but the only thing that has ever got close to the 'Blade in a straight drag was a Noble M12, when I was 2 up. That was very, very quick.....
Scooby Drew
10-10-06, 02:03 PM
cornering on a sharp bend at 135 can be quite scary as well..
It's amazing how tight bends get at that speed innit. :wink: :lol:
And then I fell off :lol:
zedleppelin1981
11-10-06, 10:32 AM
One of Jezza Clarkson's videos from around 7-8 years ago pitted the then recently launched R1 against (as Clarkson put it) a 'nothing very special' (or words to that effect) Porsche Carerra 4 around a race track.
Each was piloted by a professional driver/rider (tho forget who). The Prosche won, though by a very tiny amount. The Porsche could carry greater speed through the corners.
Lets be honest though, we all know bikes are much more fun then cars. Those that choose to race me seem to be chav'd up superminis, of which even on my humble 400 can take them apart.
Most of the time I'll let them go. I know I can beat them, but I dont want to put myself at risk.
DanAbnormal
11-10-06, 10:50 AM
Ah yes, the joys of racing cage drivers. I've had wins and losses. I had a roll on race with a Gold R32 and lost up until a roundabout when he lost his bottle, I had a traffic light race with a Ferrar F40, I won mainly because his back tyres just could not get traction and he nearly slammed into a wall. Then there was the time with the AMG merc things who whipped me on the straight but I beat him in the corners with some kneedown sparks thrown in for good measure. I got beaten by a Scooby WRX thingy roll on up a hill, I guess he had all the advantage. Tell you what are quick though are those Pulsar GTI thingies. 220bhp stock and man they fly, still not quite as quick as my SV even up a hill (same one as the scooby but I won). Good fun but easy to get carried away (touches wood).
Ceri JC
12-10-06, 11:42 AM
I've not had any "competitions" with cage drivers since moving back to south wales. It seems no one trys it here. When I lived in Cirencester, every weeknight ride in the summer months I'd come across at least one or two sportscars who fancied their chances. :)
I'm suprised an EVO was from the sounds of it, blocking your overtakes. I normally find people in Evos and Scoobys to be amongst the best in their rear observation and most courteous in letting you pass. I think it's because they tend to be people who actually like to drive fast themselves and have a fairly similar mindset to bikers, unlike sports car drivers, who often seem to buy them for the image and can't drive for toffee: Pootling along at sub speed limit speeds and they have no idea how to use a fraction of their cars abilites, brake far too hard for corners, etc.
northwind
12-10-06, 11:53 AM
One of Jezza Clarkson's videos from around 7-8 years ago pitted the then recently launched R1 against (as Clarkson put it) a 'nothing very special' (or words to that effect) Porsche Carerra 4 around a race track.
Each was piloted by a professional driver/rider (tho forget who). The Prosche won, though by a very tiny amount. The Porsche could carry greater speed through the corners.
It was Niall MacKenzie and Jason Plato I think. Mackenzie maintains it was a fix ;) Though he never says why. He did get forced right off his line a couple of times since he knew there was a ton of porsche going through the corners faster...
One of Jezza Clarkson's videos from around 7-8 years ago pitted the then recently launched R1 against (as Clarkson put it) a 'nothing very special' (or words to that effect) Porsche Carerra 4 around a race track.
Each was piloted by a professional driver/rider (tho forget who). The Prosche won, though by a very tiny amount. The Porsche could carry greater speed through the corners.
Lets be honest though, we all know bikes are much more fun then cars. Those that choose to race me seem to be chav'd up superminis, of which even on my humble 400 can take them apart.
Most of the time I'll let them go. I know I can beat them, but I dont want to put myself at risk.
I still might be able to lay my hads on a copy of Performance Car from 1990 at home which pitted Bike against Porsche. The bike won most categories.
Tell you what are quick though are those Pulsar GTI thingies. 220bhp stock and man they fly, still not quite as quick as my SV even up a hill
Probably as stock but easily tuneable.
My stepson has rolling roaded his and saw 300+ BHP. Just changed the turbo and thinks he will get 350 when its set up properly.:shock:
Saw one with him the other week with a cliamed 600BHP and from the way it went I've no reason to doubt that.
Steve H
13-10-06, 12:27 PM
Tell you what are quick though are those Pulsar GTI thingies. 220bhp stock and man they fly, still not quite as quick as my SV even up a hill
Probably as stock but easily tuneable.
My stepson has rolling roaded his and saw 300+ BHP. Just changed the turbo and thinks he will get 350 when its set up properly.:shock:
Saw one with him the other week with a cliamed 600BHP and from the way it went I've no reason to doubt that.
...............BANG. :bom:
You will need a good £15k-£20k plus to get that kinda power from a GTI-R.. Highest powered ones in this country arn't even touching 500bhp, let alone 600.. Sound like pub talk to me..
Thing is, with all 4x4, they are great up to 100mph, but go from 100mph+ and they suffer big time with transmission losses...
Sorry to say, but i regulary see sports bikes whooped by tuned cars... Even had the pleasure of sitting next to a bike from the passanger seat of a Supra, biker tucked under the bubble, supra eased passed..
But then i've also seen a Turbo'd Mk2 AStra GTE analihate a CBR600 (older shape) from different gears and different speeds...
Don't get me wrong, i love my bikes, nothing like it, but theres also nothing like hitting 100mph in 10-12 seconds in a tunded car, g-force pushing you into the seat. Thats the only thing i miss about the bikes, the g-force and you've got nothing to push into.
But its horses for courses, bikes mostly arn't tuned, and for outright acceleration, your going to need a silly BHP skyline or supra to keep up with a properly setup turbo'd Busa...
Our cars will eat my SV from 80-90+, but from a standing start, all cars would loose out embarrassingly..
DanAbnormal
13-10-06, 01:29 PM
Yep I've been in some tasty cars, Viper RT10, Porsche GT3 and an AC Cobra. But nothing comes even close to the yank to get from a bike (a good bike that is). My SV used to keep up with WRX STI scoobies and that thing was a good £25k's worth with 4 wheel drive. Also beaten many a Supra Twin Turbo from the lights, they are just too lardy to be of any competition for a good bike with a half decent rider. Top end cars win of course against an SV. And all that fun for about £5'000, bargain! My mates Blackbird kills everything in sight, had some awesome rides out with him.
Steve H
13-10-06, 01:57 PM
For all you anoraks out there, go to http://letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp
Check out how bad the standard 1/4 times are compared even to the 'humble' SV. :shock:
Tim in Belgium
13-10-06, 02:01 PM
Personally I think my GBP3.5k 280bhp 4wd scooby legacy GT-B (with twin turbos)was pretty good value, fair enough it's an old '96 import, but hoping it should be pretty quick (160mph top speed reputedly, they were they held the land speed record for fastest production estate for a while), insured as of tomorrow. Don't worry I'll be watching out for the bikes too.
http://thumb16.webshots.net/t/59/59/9/28/67/2252928670084392296TFBCKg_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2252928670084392296TFBCKg)
Agree about the kick thing, bikes & cars please me in different ways, I feel lucky to have one of each, both of which i enjoy. With the bike it's not just the acceleration, but the whole lean thing combined with being out there in the open, it is more 3-D than being in car.
The scooby Legacy can also take my surf boards on the roof or in the boot, another thing the SV can't do!
For all you anoraks out there, go to http://letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp
Check out how bad the standard 1/4 times are compared even to the 'humble' SV. :shock:
Aye..
My 2.0 Corsa = 15.2 @ 96mph (Its heavy though, stripped i'd be doing mid 14s..) - 155bhp
Our 2.0 Turbo Corsa = 15.0 @ 105mph, again, heavy car, it will do low 14's.... 215bhp
Our VXR = 14.6 @ 98 odd mph... 237bhp..
My SV650S - 12.7 @ 107mph.......
Bike kills most cars off the line, but try a car from say 30-40-50mph, and an SV will loose out a lot of the time.... Hell even my friends Turbo Corsa reals in my SV (Tested on the way to Pod, i'd get the jump, but he'd real me back in, and thats just a poncy Corsa......).
Most "plays" will happen at 30mph. Its rare to go off the lights.
But as said, each has their own good points. I love pushing a car on track round a corner as hard as possible, but then I also love hanging off my bike, ground 1/2 meter from my face etc...
Both have their own good points. Im not biased as i love both...
Steve H
13-10-06, 03:10 PM
I test drove an Astra VXR recently. Nice car, apart from the god awful torque steer.
Imo, that ruins an otherwise good car.
Torque steer??? On the VXR? Its really not that bad once you've driven it a while. I hardly notice it. Its nearly 240bhp through the front wheels.
You wanna try our Turbo Corsa. spins up to 4th if you want it to. ITs great fun trying to wrestle it on the road :lol:
TBH, hard driving should mean two hands on the stearing wheel anyway which will cover any torque steer issues.
DanAbnormal
13-10-06, 03:28 PM
Most "plays" will happen at 30mph. Its rare to go off the lights.
'Tis why I love my Hornet, after 7k it flies!
jimmybluedevil
13-10-06, 07:13 PM
I see that Evo drivers are the same around the world. Ive had 2 seperate instances in which the same stock Evolution VIII(USDM) has tried to prove his supremacy. The outcome is the same-- pretty much dead even. The second time he pulled up next to me a few lights down and asked me "what I had done to that thing". I told him I had cleaned the wheels haha. I left him scratching his head trying to figure that one out.
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