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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13547909,00.html
"Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists - dangerous to the point of recklessness for their own lives and for those of other road users."
:shock: :shock:
His blog..
http://www.north-wales.police.uk/nwp/public/en/blogs/viewblog.asp?UID=1&CID=72
Its sad that that sort of behaviour only gives bikers a bad name. You'll notice I haven't included myself in the 'biker' category. I have my own category.
'Chav like' (see avatar)...
El Saxo
20-10-06, 11:29 AM
The blog in question is here (http://www.north-wales.police.uk/nwp/public/en/blogs/viewblog.asp?UID=1&CID=72), you can click the link to watch the footage in question.
Yes, they were riding dangerously (IMHO, you may disagree), and they were prosecuted accordingly.
EDIT: whoops, must have been posting at the same time as KrZ when I posted the link.
Anywho, it's this bit I have the problem with:
Motorcyclists today. Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists - dangerous to the point of recklessness for their own lives and for those of other road users. The very vocal motorcycle lobby leaps into action at the slightest hint of criticism, no matter how well deserved, with a defensiveness bordering on hysteria. Police enforcement of the law is met with reluctant acceptance at best, and all too frequently by outright hostility.
I think what Mr Brunstrom fails to realise is the reason we (or at least I) get so angry, it's because idiots like him tar us all with the same brush, based on the activites of a couple of prats who got caught. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate the 'all coppers are w*nkers' attitude that some people have, so why should we put up with the same from him? :evil: :evil: :evil:
Er... I watched the clip and the only thing I wouldn't have done is undertake the car in the slow lane... I guess I'm a lunatic hooligan biker... :? Although saying that I tend to only hit speeds similar to what they were supposedly doing on empty sections of road...
Red ones
20-10-06, 11:34 AM
We are also aware of the pig headed attitude shown by police officers in the name of doing their job. Many coppers are not pig headed, but are given a bad name by those who are!
we spend a lot of time and effort with the motorcycling community trying to improve driving skills and behaviour, and teaching them how to stay safe
that'll be by covert photography at cafes then!
:wink:
I only see so many cars on the overtaking lane unnecessarily. and bikers were making good progress filtering?? :? :oops: ... apart from the hardshoulder undertaking bit. :evil:
Samnooshka
20-10-06, 11:41 AM
:rant:
Don't get me started... Have any of these ****s that make these comments ever ridden a bike.... i very much doubt it....
It wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't so many bad car driving, ****ish people on the mobiles weaving in and out of traffic that i see every time i am out in car or on bike... and they say bikers are bad drivers.... pah!!!! then motorcycle riding would be a lot safer. gggrrrrrrr
Ok so i got started on my rant.... i just get so annoyed that there are some really good riders out there, and i am not saying that all bikers are fantastic riders... there are indeed some right ****s out there, you only have to go to (used to go to anyway) chelsea bridge or the ace (again not all it only takes a couple of people), to see that there are some idiots on bikes... but the amount of times i have seen a car cut accross 3 lanes of motorway cutting people up as they are just about to miss the exit... changing gear and driving with one hand as the other is on the phone... sitting between two lanes so that if one lane slows down they can hop easily into the lane next to it, effectivly filtering!!! and especially those that move in the way of bikers when a biker is filtering!!! how f*cking stupid can you get. luckily when this happens to me i see it happening and just go up the inside of the car instead, as if stopping me getting past is going to make them get to work or wherever quicker :roll: :evil:
OK so this guy did a wheelie while overtaking at around 70mph. that was a very idiotic thing to do imho, but who can honestly say that they haven't done 100mph down the motorway??
Ok rant over... carry on people!!!
This is the man (Richard Brunstrom) who once said (on speeding) "It is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
He is indeed, King of all :toss:
I only see so many cars on the overtaking lane unnecessarily. and bikers were making good progress filtering?? :? :oops: ... apart from the hardshoulder undertaking bit. :evil:
Agreed - what was the problem :? apart from overtake inside car in left lane . Is it because there were 2 so to the uneducated would look like racing, but clearly not, as they never took different paths or swapped places.
Just hope they don't use helicopters in Surrey - you'll have no chance of noticing them.
timwilky
20-10-06, 11:50 AM
Yes undertaking by going onto the hard shoulder was naughty. However the Brunstrum should have also commented on the failure of many drivers to keep left and thus forcing the bikers to "undertake".
I however saw these guys making progress by filtering having found slow moving vehicles blocking the overtaking or outside lane
Steve H
20-10-06, 11:52 AM
Tricky, says it all really. :thumbsup:
The blog in question is here (http://www.north-wales.police.uk/nwp/public/en/blogs/viewblog.asp?UID=1&CID=72), you can click the link to watch the footage in question.
Yes, they were riding dangerously (IMHO, you may disagree), and they were prosecuted accordingly.
EDIT: whoops, must have been posting at the same time as KrZ when I posted the link.
Anywho, it's this bit I have the problem with:
Motorcyclists today. Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists - dangerous to the point of recklessness for their own lives and for those of other road users. The very vocal motorcycle lobby leaps into action at the slightest hint of criticism, no matter how well deserved, with a defensiveness bordering on hysteria. Police enforcement of the law is met with reluctant acceptance at best, and all too frequently by outright hostility.
I think what Mr Brunstrom fails to realise is the reason we (or at least I) get so angry, it's because idiots like him tar us all with the same brush, based on the activites of a couple of prats who got caught. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate the 'all coppers are w*nkers' attitude that some people have, so why should we put up with the same from him? :evil: :evil: :evil:
:? because he does say "Of course we in North Wales police recognise that the majority of motorcyclists are decent law-abiding people, given a bad name by the hooligans."
El Saxo
20-10-06, 12:06 PM
The blog in question is here (http://www.north-wales.police.uk/nwp/public/en/blogs/viewblog.asp?UID=1&CID=72), you can click the link to watch the footage in question.
Yes, they were riding dangerously (IMHO, you may disagree), and they were prosecuted accordingly.
EDIT: whoops, must have been posting at the same time as KrZ when I posted the link.
Anywho, it's this bit I have the problem with:
Motorcyclists today. Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists - dangerous to the point of recklessness for their own lives and for those of other road users. The very vocal motorcycle lobby leaps into action at the slightest hint of criticism, no matter how well deserved, with a defensiveness bordering on hysteria. Police enforcement of the law is met with reluctant acceptance at best, and all too frequently by outright hostility.
I think what Mr Brunstrom fails to realise is the reason we (or at least I) get so angry, it's because idiots like him tar us all with the same brush, based on the activites of a couple of prats who got caught. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate the 'all coppers are w*nkers' attitude that some people have, so why should we put up with the same from him? :evil: :evil: :evil:
:? because he does say "Of course we in North Wales police recognise that the majority of motorcyclists are decent law-abiding people, given a bad name by the hooligans."
Point taken, but to me that sounds like an afterthought. The headline of his blog and the theme of the rest of it, particularly the paragraph I quoted, is very anti-bike. What he should really be drawing attention to is the so-called 'lunacy' of two particluar individuals on the road. The fact they are on motorcycles is secondary, because their behaviour would be equally, if not more, dangerous if they were in a car or a HGV.
He obviously never watched Wacky Races either!! :lol:
I mean, chugaboom could climb hills
Professor Pat Pending flew his.....
northwind
20-10-06, 12:16 PM
Brunstrom in "fanny" shocker :)
I haven't seen the video (yet) but, ahem. Are they sure they didn't catch me & I just have no memory of it?
Yes, I wouldn't do the undertaking in the hard shoulder. But I use the stretch of road mentionned in the blog quite a bit. As for speeds, well, I wont comment.
Perhaps time to be more restrained, and instead of looking forwards/backward for Mr. Plod, I should also be looking up.
OK, so I've just seen the video, and well, there were a few hairy moments. But nothing major wrong with it.
The undertake on the hard shoulder was wrong, but other than that, they were just filtering agressively.
Personally, I don't ride that hard, but I know EXACTLY where that video was shot, and I use that stretch daily.
hmm, probably going to be shouted down here but I do think their filtering at that speed is dangerous. I'm not going to go into the hard shoulder bit as that is just plain stupid but I don't see a problem with both of those riders being banned, their riding deserves it.
*note to self, look up*
Er... I watched the clip and the only thing I wouldn't have done is undertake the car in the slow lane... I guess I'm a lunatic hooligan biker... :?
Ditto. Did they also prosecute the dozens of drivers in breach of the highway code using the overtaking lane unnecessarily?
Samnooshka
20-10-06, 12:36 PM
Er... I watched the clip and the only thing I wouldn't have done is undertake the car in the slow lane... I guess I'm a lunatic hooligan biker... :?
Ditto. Did they also prosecute the dozens of drivers in breach of the highway code using the overtaking lane unnecessarily?
Do they ever?? :roll:
hmm, probably going to be shouted down here but I do think their filtering at that speed is dangerous. I'm not going to go into the hard shoulder bit as that is just plain stupid but I don't see a problem with both of those riders being banned, their riding deserves it.
*note to self, look up*
To be honest, I'm pretty much with you that their speed was a bit excessive. I wouldn't put myself in the situation that they did. But maybe landing the chopper to slap them with a ban is a bit excessive. Points maybe, fine maybe, but a ban?
Fair comment to the fella - he needs something to rant about to get himself noticed. He is no different to any other politician or one of us on here with our own opinions.
The riders were speeding - and got caught. They deserved to loose their licenses for getting caught riding like tw*ts.
I would have like to see the video when the helicopter swooped down to the servo to bust them.
What were they thinking?! Using the hard shoulder like that is a guaranteed way to get a premature puncture!
Since we're giving our own personal views, here goes.
I don't think that riding was appropriate for the conditions. They were travelling significantly faster than the rest of the traffic, and it certainly didn't fit into what I would think of as "filtering". Hard shoulder undertake was an absolute no-no.
They weren't riding "dangerously" in the broadest sense of the word, but they put themselves at some risk mainly from drivers pulling into the left during the undertake (though none actually did, which is a story in itself!)
Riding fast on suitable roads with little traffic is a different issue.
What the video shows in buckets is just how bad the standard of lane discipline (among other things) is in the UK. Most continental countries have much better discipline (not always better driving, but lane discipline is better). At the end of the video they undertook a string of vehicles all sitting in the right hand lane going nowhere, they should have pulled into the left lane after a pass.
Wrong riding under the wrong conditions, sorry folks, guilty, and not good PR for the rest of us.
SoulKiss
20-10-06, 12:52 PM
Ok so just watched it....
Have to agree, apart from the use of the hard-shoulder and the wheelie looked OK to me.
A week ago I might have said different - but then a week ago I didn't have over 300 motorway bike miles under my belt. (although in my history as a cage driver I have done tens of thousands).
M1 seemed to have average speeds of (in order of lanes) 65, 85, 95.
I ended up bopping between the left and centre lanes, mainly because it was less boring to have to match speeds and change lanes - once or twice I had to go to the outside - and match/exceed those speeds - basically I was watching so far ahead and looking for situations to develop then making sure that if they did, then I wouldn't be anywhere near the - ie a lorry in the slow lane indicating to overtake a slower lorry - well you just know that the cars in front in the middle lane will eventually decide to over take that, causing the fast moving stuff to slow down.
I found I very quickly got used to speed - and with other vehicles as your frame of reference, its EASY for your speed to creep up.
Also being on a vehicle that HAS such ready acceleration, and is infinatly maneouverable (compared to a car) things that seem simple and safe from behind a visor, look like idiotic behavior to someone who has never ridden.
Maybe he's hiding something anyway, wouldnt you be riding like that if you'd just held up a petrol station and had a police helicopter chasing you down? :lol:
Er... I watched the clip and the only thing I wouldn't have done is undertake the car in the slow lane... I guess I'm a lunatic hooligan biker... :?
Ditto. Did they also prosecute the dozens of drivers in breach of the highway code using the overtaking lane unnecessarily?
Do they ever?? :roll:
Well, i just submitted feedback (very politely) on his blog to that effect, i'll let you know if he replies.
My comments to Mr Brunstrom:
While the incident you cite is clearly an excellent example of reckless road use, I take exception to your statement "Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists".
While you do later defend that most motorcyclists are law abiding road users, the original comment does give away what many may feel are your true colours - you just don't like motorbikes.
I feel that someone with your job and position should not be demonstrating this obvious bias, and show a more impartial behaviour. Therefore I suggest that it is inappropriate you ignored the generally awful standards of road use also exhibited by car, van, lorry and bus drivers.
One of the problems I’d like to see addressed is speeding delivery vehicles. Vans and lorries doing speeds that may be acceptable in a car, but the freight weights being carried increase the risks of accident and injury considerably.
Rather than listen to your usual stuck record of “speeding this” and “speeding that”, please could you also pay attention to the epidemic of hand held mobile phone use by users of the aforementioned vehicle types - something that puts us all at risk every day. Laws introduced over 2 years ago have had no effect on a problem of epidemic proportions, and I’m yet to hear about the any Police Force doing anything about it.
Jumping traffic lights at red is also a frequent problem, demonstrated by cyclists and others every day, but I rarely see a prosecution or a demonstration of awareness of the problem.
I feel that your approach to road safety is far from holistic, but I shall look forward to your next instalment explaining about the successful prosecutions that your force has brought against road users of the other common offences.
Luckypants
20-10-06, 01:10 PM
Gotta love Brunstrom! :toss: If he ain't been in the news for while he gives the 'evil road users' pot a stir.
The guys were riding too aggressively IMO and the usertake on the hard shoulder? Complete idiots!
Ditto on the crap lane discipline shown by the car drivers.
They were also being incredibly naiive. Ride like that in N. Wales and you are almost guaranteed to get pulled on the weekend. It has been stated widely in the press that N. Wales use thier chopper to catch speeding bikes, it is policy. It can often be seen flying around the well known bike routes.
Trouble is, stuff like this gives folks like Brunstrom more ammunition to fire at us.
Samnooshka
20-10-06, 01:17 PM
My comments to Mr Brunstrom:
While the incident you cite is clearly an excellent example of reckless road use, I take exception to your statement "Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists".
While you do later defend that most motorcyclists are law abiding road users, the original comment does give away what many may feel are your true colours - you just don't like motorbikes.
I feel that someone with your job and position should not be demonstrating this obvious bias, and show a more impartial behaviour. Therefore I suggest that it is inappropriate you ignored the generally awful standards of road use also exhibited by car, van, lorry and bus drivers.
One of the problems I’d like to see addressed is speeding delivery vehicles. Vans and lorries doing speeds that may be acceptable in a car, but the freight weights being carried increase the risks of accident and injury considerably.
Rather than listen to your usual stuck record of “speeding this” and “speeding that”, please could you also pay attention to the epidemic of hand held mobile phone use by users of the aforementioned vehicle types - something that puts us all at risk every day. Laws introduced over 2 years ago have had no effect on a problem of epidemic proportions, and I’m yet to hear about the any Police Force doing anything about it.
Jumping traffic lights at red is also a frequent problem, demonstrated by cyclists and others every day, but I rarely see a prosecution or a demonstration of awareness of the problem.
I feel that your approach to road safety is far from holistic, but I shall look forward to your next instalment explaining about the successful prosecutions that your force has brought against road users of the other common offences.
:smt038 Well said Bill!!
Ceri JC
20-10-06, 01:32 PM
It's normally inept cagers who seem blind to the scores of courteous, well driven motorbikes and only see and make their judgements on motorcyclists based on the small minority of sportsbike riders who ride like fools and people on supernakeds who wheelie all the time.
I'd expect better observation from a class 2 police driver, let alone a head of traffic. :toss:
This
Of course we in North Wales police recognise that the majority of motorcyclists are decent law-abiding people, given a bad name by the hooligans. So we don’t just enforce the law, we spend a lot of time and effort with the motorcycling community trying to improve driving skills and behaviour, and teaching them how to stay safe.
Smacks a bit of a "tacked on at the end" disclaimer. Particularly after he has said this,
The very vocal motorcycle lobby leaps into action at the slightest hint of criticism, no matter how well deserved, with a defensiveness bordering on hysteria. Police enforcement of the law is met with reluctant acceptance at best, and all too frequently by outright hostility.
Yes. Criticising dangerous things like GPS based speed limiters, cagers who knock us off and diesel on the roads is "hysterical", isn't it. :roll:
EDIT:
And there's not exactly anything horrific in the video. The undertake on the bus was a bad idea and there were a few times where they were a bit naughty, undertaking on the hard shoulder, etc. by and large though, they were undertaking large numbers of people (car drivers) who had no reason to be in the outside lane. Shame he didn't mention that was something to be cracked down on... :|
Ceri JC
20-10-06, 01:51 PM
Just sent Mr. Brunstrom the following:
Sir,
Yes, the motorcyclists were the fastest vehicles there and at times driving dangerously, but road safety is not just about speeding.
I notice you passed no comment about the dozens of car drivers who were in the outside lane with no reason. In a similar vein to tractors on country lanes who refuse to pull over from time to time to let faster traffic past being partly to blame for frustrated people executing risky overtakes, I feel some of the car drivers must share some of the blame for the undertaking.
As to motorcycling organisations hysterically defending motorcyclists actions, I'd be interested to see some examples of that. Motorcyling organisations tend to be very vocal because, like any minority, most people do not have any real understanding of their concerns. Mud, gravel and diesel on the roads are an utter irrelevance to a car driver, but to a motorcyclist, they can be a matter of life and death. Is it not understandable that they want to make people aware of this?
Yours Sincerely,
Ceri
Mr Toad
20-10-06, 01:58 PM
The undertake on the hard shoulder was wrong, but other than that, they were just filtering agressively.
Agreed
I hope they haven't got one of those cameras on the M25 or I'm in trouble :roll:
Flamin_Squirrel
20-10-06, 02:20 PM
I'm utterly disgusted that a bigoted imbecile with such an axe to grind is allowed to hold such a position. No-one who should be treating the public as equals should be permitted to display such bias.
May he come to an unfortunate and ironic demise somehow :evil:
DanAbnormal
20-10-06, 02:21 PM
Well, those bikers sure were pushing a bit too hard and deserved the ban. I mean all it would have taken is car to pull out and they might have ended up with a fatality, maybe even 2 or 3. Let's hope they learnt their lesson. But to tar us all with the same brush is just ridiculous. They target us as we are a minority. It would be like saying all cage drivers are muppets :wink: . For example, the other morning I approach a roundabout that has two lanes. I am in the left hand lane which is for turning left or going straight on, the right hand lane is for turning right only (there are arrows painted on the ground to indicate this). So I am going straight ahead and a large red ford van in the right hand lane decides that he also wants to go straight on but does not indicate or give any signal that he is going to do so, he cuts in front of me missing me by about a foot. I sound my horn as he got extrememly close and I had to dive to the left (almost eating curb) to avoid being hit. At the next roundabout he is turning right and as I pull up along side him I glance over to see him and his 12 year old passenger giving me all sorts of hand signals (use your imagination) and asking what the f*ck I was thinking by trying to pull in front of him. I got off the bike (after pulling over) and attempted to engage in a polite conversation with this fellow but he refused and sped off, again not indicating and causing someone else to sound their horn. It just amazes me how thick people can be. But he probably steamed off thinking that I cut him up and that all bikers are evil. I would say that almost everyday I get some moron who tries to apex a roundabout almost side swiping me and surprise, surprise most of them are either on the phone or just have no idea how to stick to a lane on a roundabout.
Spiderman
20-10-06, 03:10 PM
I find it difficult to believe that so many bikers on here are saying the bikers were speeding faster than the conditions / for the road etc. There was no indication of bikes or cars speeds in that vid was there?
What i saw was 2 guys on bikes looking far enough ahead to have made their judgments in good time and planned ahead well. Yes they took some risks on the undertaking side of things but if poor lane discipline of other driverrs forces no other option, then it has to be.
Ok the hard shoulder thing was just silly impatience cos if he'd waited less than 2 seconds the boat being towed that was blocking the outsdie lane had actualy moved over and he could have gone thru there no problem. Silly choice imho.
The rest showed 2 guys who kept a very sensible distance between them, constantly rode with awareness of each other and made sure the rode in a staggered fromation at all times for the clearest visibilty.
I myself have ridden like that on motorways many times and anyone on this site who knows me knows i'm no "mentalist" on my bike. Hell i cant even do a wheelie if i try.
But if the road's speed limits were more real world and the other vehicles had better lane disciplin then what we would have seen is 2 bikes getting from A to B a little faster than the suggested speed limit.
Just my 2p worth for you all.
PsychoCannon
20-10-06, 03:13 PM
Watched the video expecting some ghost rider antics and saw a couple of people doing something very similar to my daily commute to work...did I miss something?
Ok so I'm a bit more sensable about it than they were ;)
The rear bike got far too close to the bike in front on a number of occasions for my liking (I like to give fellow bikers a bit of room).
The hard shoulder undertake was taking it a bit far, as was the wheelie, but for the most part I can't see what what deserved the lunatic and mayhem rant.....
I assume by the "neither bike had a proper number plate" he meant they had small plates on? (I can't see in the video).
I also agree with everyone who pointed out that the poor lane discipline was both ammusing and partly to "blame"? for the undertaking.
Meh anyway....
Most of the vehicles had terrible lane discipline, I chose not to put that on my message to Brunstrom because it sounded like an excuse.
Their riding was agressive, but that's not unusual, most of us including me, have ridden like that at some point.
The hard-shoulder bit did take the **** I think - I don't think that's at all acceptable.
I didn't think they were going that quickly, while there's no indicator to say how fast, the perspective gives some idea.
Ceri JC
20-10-06, 03:29 PM
BillyC, did you get an "out of office autoreply" from good ole' Brunstrom too?
Out saving us from ourselves, no doubt.
SoulKiss
20-10-06, 03:40 PM
Their riding was agressive, but that's not unusual, most of us including me, have ridden like that at some point.
One mans aggressive is another mans defensive....
When on the bike I am responsible for my own safety.
If that means doing something safe but legally iffy then I will do it.
Which puts me in a dilemma most mornings on my way to work.
Up past the Oval there is a bus lane that if you use you risk a £100 fine.
Or there is the option to queue and take forever to get from Oval Station to Vauxhall Station while adding to the congestion.
Or you can filter on the oncoming traffic lane, which is OK 50% of the time because the pedestrian crossing half way round (but not in sight) is at red 50% of the time with a VERY long time at red.
The sooner they green light us for all bus-lanes the better
And introduce CBT for cyclists
BillyC, did you get an "out of office autoreply" from good ole' Brunstrom too?
Out saving us from ourselves, no doubt.
Yes, or rather from Fiona McCall (Marketing Manager) - a role that is clearly wasted on a Police Force, especially Brunstrom's.
Luckypants
20-10-06, 04:59 PM
They got a marketing manager!!!! :shock: Is that what my council tax goes on? Are they marketing North Wales as a good place to come and steal? :(
Their riding was agressive, but that's not unusual, most of us including me, have ridden like that at some point.
One mans aggressive is another mans defensive....
When on the bike I am responsible for my own safety.
If that means doing something safe but legally iffy then I will do it.
Which puts me in a dilemma most mornings on my way to work.
Up past the Oval there is a bus lane that if you use you risk a £100 fine.
Or there is the option to queue and take forever to get from Oval Station to Vauxhall Station while adding to the congestion.
Or you can filter on the oncoming traffic lane, which is OK 50% of the time because the pedestrian crossing half way round (but not in sight) is at red 50% of the time with a VERY long time at red.
The sooner they green light us for all bus-lanes the better
And introduce CBT for cyclists
Not looking good for Bus lanes :evil: - ask Rizla
I'm the same sometimes filter between empty bus lane and stationery traffic. Which can mean a long ride down a white paint line (not adviseable) and travelling too close to cars than is logical.
philipMac
20-10-06, 06:53 PM
Watched the video.
Same as everyone else. Hard shoulder manovoure was a bit dodge. Otherwise... meh, I dont drive like that (much :lol:), they didnt look to be going insanely faster than the surrounding traffic.
That's the best they can come up with for dangerous driving??? Weak.
Gidders
20-10-06, 07:39 PM
Yes, yes, all very well, but the serious point is that neither had "correct" number plates
Can you imagine that?
I would like to hear Brunstrom's views on police officers who drive on public roads at 159mph, so I've left a message to that effect.
As re the riders, did I spot jeans and trainers?
northwind
20-10-06, 08:09 PM
Hmm... I thought they were too close for almost the entire video, especially for that srt of riding. The verge overtakes are asking for trouble, since that's where debris lives, and an awful lot of the undertakes were too close to the cars- when you're undertaking, you want to be well over to the left, since you never know when a fast-lane sitter will suddenly decide to cut left, and they'll neve rlook or indicate. There's an undertake on a big red bus very early on that I thought was pretty ludicrous, since they do it at the exact point it would have pulled back across.
Can't really defend it... But if that's the best example of terrible riding they could find, then that speaks pretty well for british bikers. Can't say the same for the 4-wheelers in the video.
Speeding
Dodgy overtakes
Overtaking on the hard shoulder
Wheelies
Speeding some more...
12-15 months ban is a fair punishment for getting caught riding the way they did. I would take it as a fair cop if I was caught riding like that.
Balky001
21-10-06, 09:13 AM
The undertake on the hard sholder was very dodgy (but dangerous?), the rest was OK. Why do cars insist in sitting in the outside lane forcing people to undertake (or have their speed dictated by them).
I think the real question here is, 'Is Brunstrom really Jeremy Clarkson doing his day job?' I know Clarkson bangs on about speed cameras and all that to appear anarchic and 'cool' but given some officialdom, he would be Brunstrom! And they both have very similar views on bikes.
Does Brunstrom contradict himself when he says a lot of bikers ride dangerously but then said the majority (note, not vast majority!) are law abiding? He comes across as a little man with little ideas and a very narrow mind. Bet his family hate him - he has to run his home like Britta's Empire!
I bet if any of us were filmed in secret then there be instances where we would cringe.
I got an OOO reply too. No doubt they're all off tackling crime :roll:
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