Alarm won't stop going off!

[Saucerboy]

In short, my Datatag Veto Evo Alarm wont stop going off after I disconected the battery. I can stop it with the alarm remote, but then a few seconds later it goes off again. How can I stop it once and for all?

All this comes about as I am trying to program a new alarm remote. According to the instructions one of the first steps is to disconect the battery...

Any ideas are much appreciated!

[TSM]

You have to put it in service mode to stop the alarm going off.

But i beleave the corrrect thing is not to disconnect the battery, but the fuse that goes to the alarm from the battery.

[Saucerboy]

Hey TSM,

The instructions state that the alarm must be taken out of service mode before a new / spare transmitter can be programmed.

Just re-read the instructions and have noticed that I was supposed to remove the alarm battery, not the main / bike battery! Lol

I've had this problem before though. So wondering why everytime I disconnect / reconnect the battery I set the alarm into a frenzy?

Cheers

[glade]

I had the battery disconnected this weekend and putting the alarm into service mode didnt seem to help. i think this is because service mode only disables the tilt sensors, and turning the key or disconnecting the battery is still seen as an attempted theft.

this is somthing we were pondering this weekend, when the alarm was going off every 45 seconds and really ****ing off the neighbours (fortunately not my neighbours) :twisted:

[plazacavana]

Saucerboy....I have had a similar problem with my datatool system 3 alarm.
After checking the website I dicovered that I may have "spiked" the alarm when messing with my indicators. The info that I got from Datatool was to remove the cover from the alarm box, disconnect the internal battery, pull out all the plugs from the circuit board and leave the system to "drain" overnight. The following day, I replaced all the plugs to the circuit board (except the siren plug)
replace the fuse and connect the bikes battery. Then replace the siren plug and operate the alarm.
this fixed the problem for me. I hope it is of some help to you........Cheers

[TSM]

I had the battery disconnected this weekend and putting the alarm into service mode didnt seem to help. i think this is because service mode only disables the tilt sensors, and turning the key or disconnecting the battery is still seen as an attempted theft.

this is somthing we were pondering this weekend, when the alarm was going off every 45 seconds and really p*ssing off the neighbours (fortunately not my neighbours) :twisted:

Thats not service mode, its just armed with the motion detector off.

To put in service mode i think you have to turn the bike on and press the arm button for a few seconds. When you turn the bike off it will beep three times every 30-1m i beleave, in that mode it wont go off at all (you can start the bike too) but you will have the annoying beep all the time..

[Saucerboy]

Alarm silenced (and now slightly deaf) by disconnecting the alarm battery.

BTW, the alarm came with the bike when brought it. Whilst I have the user guide I'm not sure where the in-line fuse is. Is it inside the alrm unit or with the rest of the bike's fuses - couldn't see it?

Oh, and whilst I'm at it, does anyone know what / where the Protective Trigger Switch is?

I'm starting to see why some people don't like alarms...

[fizzwheel]

To put in service mode i think you have to turn the bike on and press the arm button for a few seconds. When you turn the bike off it will beep three times every 30-1m i beleave, in that mode it wont go off at all (you can start the bike too) but you will have the annoying beep all the time..

Thats what I do to my data tool when I want to disconnect the battery, I've disconnected it loads of times and the alarm just beeps to itself in service mode and doesnt go off.

[plazacavana]

saucerboy...........the fuse is under the pillion seat in a rubber holder. the trigger microswitch is also under the pillion seat....cheers

[Saucerboy]

Thanks everyone. I will be investigating the fuse / microswitch and attempting to program the new remote as soon as I get a chance.

Now that half the back end is off I feeling tempted to remove the subframe and give it a respray... :)

[glade]

I had the battery disconnected this weekend and putting the alarm into service mode didnt seem to help. i think this is because service mode only disables the tilt sensors, and turning the key or disconnecting the battery is still seen as an attempted theft.

this is somthing we were pondering this weekend, when the alarm was going off every 45 seconds and really p*ssing off the neighbours (fortunately not my neighbours) :twisted:

Thats not service mode, its just armed with the motion detector off.

To put in service mode i think you have to turn the bike on and press the arm button for a few seconds. When you turn the bike off it will beep three times every 30-1m i beleave, in that mode it wont go off at all (you can start the bike too) but you will have the annoying beep all the time..

ahhh. :oops:

[Baph]

Saucerboy....I have had a similar problem with my datatool system 3 alarm.
After checking the website I dicovered that I may have "spiked" the alarm when messing with my indicators. The info that I got from Datatool was to remove the cover from the alarm box, disconnect the internal battery, pull out all the plugs from the circuit board and leave the system to "drain" overnight. The following day, I replaced all the plugs to the circuit board (except the siren plug)
replace the fuse and connect the bikes battery. Then replace the siren plug and operate the alarm.
this fixed the problem for me. I hope it is of some help to you........Cheers
Tamper mode. Happens whenever you mess with electrics connected to the alarm on any decent alarm system. The alarm flashes indicators, therefore you mess with the indicators, and the alarm panics. You remove the battey & put it back, and this would probably trigger some tamper circuits too (although IMO, it'd be a bad design if it did that).

How to resolve it for each individual alarm, speak to the manufacturer.

Glad its sorted out for you now Saucerboy.

[Saucerboy]

Ok, so I got had some more time to work on the alarm today.

Found the in-line fuse under the tank cover so I am now left wondering what / where the protective trigger switch is and its "green tagged wires"?

Is this it? N.B. No green wires, but I assume you just press down on the sensor to close the circuit?

Thanks in advance for your advice :D

Saucerboy

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[Baph]

That looks seriously bent out of shape to me! But yea, that's a pressure switch (fairly cheap one at that).

If you have a wiring diagram you could upload for the alarm, I could work with that a little easier for you (manufacturers usually state the diagrams are illustrative purposes only and frequently change colours, it makes the alarm more secure).

If you need to replace the switch, Maplin sell a whole range of them, and dirt cheap too. If you need advice on taking the alarm out of tamper mode, best to speak to the manufacturers (or do a good big of google-fu).

[TSM]

Most alarms have all black wires, including datatool & meta. The only colour wires on the datatool 3 loom are for arm silence/remote trigger/sensitivity level.

[Baph]

Most alarms have all black wires, including datatool & meta. The only colour wires on the datatool 3 loom are for arm silence/remote trigger/sensitivity level.
Which would be why when fitting my alarm, I used black wires, and masking tape over each wire to mark what it was. Once fitted, the masking tape went in the bin, and wires to things like a relay have been obfuscated by putting black insulation tape around them, so you can't see which black wire goes to which connector 8)

[Saucerboy]

Baph, I can't seem to find any wiring diagrams on the net... but could attempt to draw one for you?!

I've got instructions for encoding a new transmitter of Datatool:

1) Remove (alarm) lid & disconnect battery from the alarm - done

2) Remove the alarm in-line fuse - done

3) Ensure Protective Trigger Switch is in a "closed" state (green tagged wires connected) - now I assume this means just press down on the wire in the above photo.

4) Make a connection between one of the wires on the Switch and the motorcycle battery positive terminal (Connect Green tagged wires to 12V) - eh, how exactly?

Think I'll get started on that diagram... :wink:

[Baph]

3) Ensure Protective Trigger Switch is in a "closed" state (green tagged wires connected) - now I assume this means just press down on the wire in the above photo.

Your picture shows this superbly. There appears to be only two wires in the switch (correct me if I'm wrong). Both of these are insulated near the switch, but this insulation last what? An inch? By pressing on the metal lever on top of the switch, you make the switch (it's a push to make pressure switch - but like I said, a cheap one). A "closed" switch makes the circuit, so yes, make sure the metal is contacting.


4) Make a connection between one of the wires on the Switch and the motorcycle battery positive terminal (Connect Green tagged wires to 12V) - eh, how exactly?

Now, it depends on how sophisticated the alarm is. If I were making an alarm to do what I think it does, one of these wires would carry, say 5v, and the other lead to ground (through a sensor). However, I don't think it's this intelligent.

It will probably not carry any voltage by default (as per my bike alarm) and acts as a 'negative trigger' (ie, change its state, and all hell breaks loose inside the alarm housing). Snap lock connector to run a new black wire from one of those on the switch (personal preference - but I'd say the right one - just in case my above paragraph is true), stick an eyelet connector on the other end, and hook that up to your battery +ve (pointy battery terminals are a little over 6.4mm). So now whenever the switch is closed (pressed) there's 12v floating around the circuit.

Whatever the switch is protecting (seat/tank etc), lift it, and it breaks the circuit. If the circuit behaves how I think it does, this should do the trick nicely.

I'd recommend some investagative work with a multi-meter, even if it takes an hour, it'll be worth it compared to fault finding on a system you don't know the workings of.

[Saucerboy]

Thanks, will be experimenting with my mutlimeter :)

[TSM]

The green wire sounds like its part of the three option wires. You should have a small bundle of cables wrapped in tape, you may need to unwrap the loom to find them, there should be three coloured wires.

[Saucerboy]

Ok, so I zip tied the trigger switch down so it was closed. Ran a wire from one of the wires going into the trigger switch and conected the other end to the battery positive terminal.

and continued to the follow the instructions:

5) Turn on motorcycle ignition

6) Replace the alarm in-line fuse - sparks fly :twisted:

7) Replace internal battery (about now the indicators start flashing), re-connect two-way connector to siren in the lid (siren goes off)

Wait for alarm to stop. Two seconds after it stops it goes off again. When it stops again I move onto step 8 before the alarm goes off again:

8) Press circle button on transmitter. The unit will beep once if new code is accepted - nothing happens. Try again. Nothing. Disconnect everything and try again. No alarm going off, but doesn't recognise new alarm either.

Hmm?

[Baph]

My advice: Talk to datatool. They know the system, they know what to look for. Sorry, but ti's just that simple in these cases.

[Saucerboy]

Cheers, Baph (And TSM too).

Will probably give it one last go and if no joy call them in the morning.

Thanks, Saucerboy