View Full Version : National anthem is pants - Can we change it?
Watching the internationals start I was jealous of the anthems the other country's get to sing. Most other nations sing about the ideal of the nation whereas ours is about living breathing people who have, over the years, become figures of derision. How can you sing the praises of a family as dysfunctional as that? Anyone remember the those tapes of Charles :shock: , Philips repeated acts of rank stupidty and 'er indoors complete indifference to her children.
And the tune is abysmal, I mean seriously it's a dirgy depressing tune, Not at all uplifting. We should have nicked the old Soviet anthem when they changed it, THAT was a stirring anthem. Maybe we could just change it to Jerusalem or Trelawny :D
They that the English RU team is playing atm, the Hokey Cokey would be approriate :lol:
I know I'm English, but I have to admit there's nothing more stirring than the Welsh anthem inside a packed Millennium Stadium. Makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Alpinestarhero
25-11-06, 03:08 PM
Can I play a huge guitar solo on this proposed new national anthem? :D
Matt
Exactly that's what an anthem is for, to make you feel part of a greater whole and to fight for that. I can't stand the dippers but hearing 'You'll never walk alone' sung by 40,000 people is really moving.
Can I play a huge guitar solo on this proposed new national anthem? :D
Matt
As long as it's not Stairway to Heaven ;)
furrybean
25-11-06, 03:13 PM
Sorry but every time I hear the National Anthem it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. It makes me proud hearing it and it would be a shame to change it!
Alpinestarhero
25-11-06, 03:14 PM
Can I play a huge guitar solo on this proposed new national anthem? :D
Matt
As long as it's not Stairway to Heaven ;)
Hell no. Much better :D
Matt
[EDIT] not that that song isnt good, I enjoy playing it!
Allow me to suggest something by Tenacious D. It'd be great to have an up to date anthem that we could all rock out too!
gettin2dizzy
25-11-06, 04:23 PM
Or some yngwie malmsteen!! any song by him would do!
Dicky Ticker
25-11-06, 04:36 PM
I think it unfair that Scotland,Wales and Ireland can use their own,but poor old England is stuck with the N.A.
Could suggest "Land of Hope and Glory" which would be very appropriate as we seem to be having a lot of hope but little glory :lol:
Being Cornish by adoption and grace I vote for Trelawny :D
furrybean
25-11-06, 05:01 PM
So nobody is happy with the current national anthem?
Alpinestarhero
25-11-06, 05:04 PM
Or some yngwie malmsteen!! any song by him would do!
Dam right on the money!! That guy is nuts, complete crazy!!!
Matt
So nobody is happy with the current national anthem?
No, It's just an embarrassment. The only anthem I've heard that's worse is the one in Human Traffic, great film but that bit was just excruciating.
It would be better if we resurrected the 6th and 8th verses.
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!
From France and Pretender
Great Britain defend her,
Foes let them fall;
From foreign slavery,
Priests and their knavery,
And Popish Reverie,
God save us all.
:twisted: :twisted: :wink: :wink:
Jelster
25-11-06, 07:21 PM
It's about time people got behind what this country stands for and stopped knocking it. Whether YOU like it or not, it's OUR national anthem. Learn it, sing it, be proud of it.... I wish some of bloody sportsmen would... They look like a real bunch of no hopers mumbling the words.
This nation is special because we have a monarchy, because we have history.
Be proud of your flag, and be proud of your anthem.
(No apologies for the soap box, I believe in my Country, through good times and bad.)
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It's about time people got behind what this country stands for and stopped knocking it. Whether YOU like it or not, it's OUR national anthem. Learn it, sing it, be proud of it....
My point exactly, I want to sing the anthem and feel proud, but I can't put my hand on my heart and sing the praises of that family. That's why I feel we need a change, it has nothing to do with lack of patriotism.
Supervox
25-11-06, 08:22 PM
BOKKE! BOKKE! BOKKE BO!
Hmmmm, RSA's 1st away win in a year, 1st against England in 8(?) matches - against the poorest England side for years - doesn't get much to get you cheering does it !! :P
I don't see why 'Land of Hope & Glory' shouldn't be sung before England matches - after all it is used for the Commonwealth Games medal ceremonies is it not ?
I would also have said that 'I Vow To Thee My Country' could be a contender if it hadn't already been *******ized into 'The World In Union'.
As for the British Lions matches - well can anyone think of a better anthem than 'Rule Brittania' ?
A new song, with proud verse mentioning our colonial heritige, racial diversity and current propensity for binge drinking.
A new song, with proud verse mentioning our colonial heritige, racial diversity and current propensity for binge drinking.
Not forgetting the highest teenage pregnancy rates and our penchant for football and the hooliganism that goes along with it :wink:
A new song, with proud verse mentioning our colonial heritige, racial diversity and current propensity for binge drinking.
Not forgetting the highest teenage pregnancy rates and our penchant for football and the hooliganism that goes along with it :wink:
You read my mind ;)
How about this?
http://cecimoz.co.uk/portal.php?page=7
Red ones
25-11-06, 09:13 PM
In any other year...
The National Anthem...
...Twickenham.
It doesn't need grown men to do some silly poofy dance and pull faces to inspire.
mudge32
25-11-06, 09:22 PM
I always thought our national anthem should have been "I vow to thee, my country". It's just a shame our stupid government never allow us to be proud of home!!! :roll:
gettin2dizzy
25-11-06, 09:47 PM
I don't see why 'Land of Hope & Glory' shouldn't be sung before England matches - after all it is used for the Commonwealth Games medal ceremonies is it not ?
thats because with all the countries in the commonwealth games their national anthems are god save the queen! ;)
enginedriver
25-11-06, 11:26 PM
I neither recognise nor respect the British monarchy and will not stand for their national anthem.
They play no part in my life and in return I do not trouble them!
Seems fair enough to me!!
the N.A is great. you lot r weird... wot do you want spice girls?
the N.R.A is great. you lot r weird.
I KNEW it
National anthem is pants - Can we change it?
NO
wots pants abot u stupid sausage
wot the **** do you want to change it for.....som fukin drum n bass crap?
whingin fukin magot
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
IT IS PEOPLLE LIKE U THAT TOOK THE GREAT OUT OF BRITON
WHEN I WAS A LAD........ :roll:
enginedriver
26-11-06, 12:07 AM
Never mind scrap the anthem..........scrap the monarchy!!
http://upload4.postimage.org/1748472/imagesSSSSSSS.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/1748472/photo_hosting.html)
21QUEST
26-11-06, 12:15 AM
Looks like someone has been on the Sherry :wink:
Cheers
Ben
Jelster
26-11-06, 12:21 AM
I neither recognise nor respect the British monarchy and will not stand for their national anthem.
They play no part in my life and in return I do not trouble them!
Seems fair enough to me!!
But you believe you're "British" ??
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Flamin_Squirrel
26-11-06, 12:32 AM
It's about time people got behind what this country stands for and stopped knocking it.
Although I admire your sentiment, regrettably this country doesn't stand for anything anymore.
enginedriver
26-11-06, 12:34 AM
I neither recognise nor respect the British monarchy and will not stand for their national anthem.
They play no part in my life and in return I do not trouble them!
Seems fair enough to me!!
But you believe you're "British" ??
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enginedriver
26-11-06, 12:35 AM
I neither recognise nor respect the British monarchy and will not stand for their national anthem.
They play no part in my life and in return I do not trouble them!
Seems fair enough to me!!
But you believe you're "British" ??
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Well now....I never actually said that I was !! :wink:
National anthem is pants - Can we change it?
NO:
Sure we can, it'll happen sooner or later.
wots pants abot u stupid sausage:
Thanks very much
wot the f**k do you want to change it for.....som fukin drum n bass crap?:
I was thinking more Cradle of Filth but now you mention it...
IT IS PEOPLLE LIKE U THAT TOOK THE GREAT OUT OF BRITON:
No what made Briton Great were people like Cook, Shakespeare, Brunel & Nelson. Our great industry, leading the world in science (Newton) mathematics (Turing) and numerous other fields, there have even been some great leaders from the monarchy down the years, but the House of Saxe Coburg!
No they have been an embarrassment for a long time now and a perfect example of why you should never write a national anthem about a living person. Fewer and fewer people sing the national anthem yet put on Jerusalem and everyone jumps up, we're a patriotic nation and we want to sing with pride. The current NA makes that tough for a lot of people though.
Apophes
26-11-06, 01:03 AM
well i'm a bit on the fence here as the current one would be fine of G.B.
but my flag is this onehttp://upload4.postimage.org/1748705/imagesflag.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/1748705/photo_hosting.html)
and think a new anthem for us would be fine
us English that is 8) 8)
YOU ARE A ****IN IDIOT
cradle of filth are sh*t
Can't argue with that, they are quite poor. The anthem, as it stands, is still an anachronism though and all your clever word play won't convince me otherwise.
my (& your) grandfather will be turning in his grave if he heard the crap coming from you :smt075
What the hell are you doing in my grandfather's grave :shock:
Just when I think I've got you figured you go and suprise me ;)
Supervox
26-11-06, 07:18 AM
I don't see why 'Land of Hope & Glory' shouldn't be sung before England matches - after all it is used for the Commonwealth Games medal ceremonies is it not ?
thats because with all the countries in the commonwealth games their national anthems are god save the queen! ;)
Er, no it isn't.
I think you'll find that Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc all have their OWN anthems !! :P
Also, changing the debate slightly - could we please change Hovi5 for something more suitable ?
I'm with Billy Connelly - no matter what the words are, sing it to the theme tune from Radio 4's The Archers. :wink:
Dicky Ticker
26-11-06, 10:11 AM
I'm with Vox --------------where are the mods------------seems someone has a very limited
vocabulary.
UlsterSV
26-11-06, 03:41 PM
I defy anyone to find a more beautiful anthem than I Vow To Thee My Country. It's everything England is about. A Christian song for a Christian people.
As far as NI's national anthem goes, I'm quite happy with God Save The Queen. I don't support the current rabble that masquerade as 'Royals', because they are a bunch of no-hopers. But I do believe in a Royal family, I do believe in a Monarchy, I am not a fanatic Royalist exactly, but I think it's good to show allegiance to something greater than the government of the day, and a good Monarchy could fill the role perfectly.
gettin2dizzy
26-11-06, 05:05 PM
I don't see why 'Land of Hope & Glory' shouldn't be sung before England matches - after all it is used for the Commonwealth Games medal ceremonies is it not ?
thats because with all the countries in the commonwealth games their national anthems are god save the queen! ;)
Er, no it isn't.
I think you'll find that Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc all have their OWN anthems !! :P
Also, changing the debate slightly - could we please change Hovi5 for something more suitable ?
all these countries are in the commonwealth so theoretically should have god save the queen. But as its more of a historical thing now than the queen actually being head of state most countries have dropped it. Australia actually plays god save the queen more than we do! In alot of schools they're required to sing it every week!
National anthem is pants - Can we change it?
NO
wots pants abot u stupid sausage
wot the f**k do you want to change it for.....som fukin drum n bass crap?
whingin fukin magot
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
IT IS PEOPLLE LIKE U THAT TOOK THE GREAT OUT OF BRITON
WHEN I WAS A LAD........ :roll:
You need to read forum rule 3. This sort of personal abuse is unacceptable IMHO.
Also your use of the f word is puerile and unnecessary.
National anthem is pants - Can we change it?
NO
wots pants abot u stupid sausage
wot the f**k do you want to change it for.....som fukin drum n bass crap?
whingin fukin magot
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
IT IS PEOPLLE LIKE U THAT TOOK THE GREAT OUT OF BRITON
WHEN I WAS A LAD........ :roll:
You need to read forum rule 3. This sort of personal abuse is unacceptable IMHO.
Also your use of the f word is puerile and unnecessary.
i agree & would like to apologise all i can say is i was very drunk :oops: i edited it first thing this morning b4 work & was worried in work that i offended anybody
Red ones
26-11-06, 05:53 PM
i edited it first thing this morning b4 work & was worried in work that i offended anybody
That is editted???? Blimey!!
I think the lesson to be learned here is don't go drinking with Hovi5.
It's about time people got behind what this country stands for and stopped knocking it. Whether YOU like it or not, it's OUR national anthem. Learn it, sing it, be proud of it.... I wish some of bloody sportsmen would... They look like a real bunch of no hopers mumbling the words.
This nation is special because we have a monarchy, because we have history.
Be proud of your flag, and be proud of your anthem.
(No apologies for the soap box, I believe in my Country, through good times and bad.)
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I'm with you Jelster on this one
anbd Hovi$ i'll go drinking with ou mate it looked like an interesting evening :wink:
Dicky Ticker
26-11-06, 07:37 PM
A man willing to admit a mistake and apologise, a rarity-----------------apology accepted here
Damoulianos Marios
27-11-06, 04:04 AM
This nation is special because we have a monarchy, because we have history.
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I'm sorry to be intervening in this national topic of yours but why does monarchy make a nation special? I'm really curious about this...
My vote goes to A Man's a Man for a' That regardless of which geographic territory you happen to live in. :wink:
The Basket
27-11-06, 07:48 AM
flower of scotland!
This nation is special because we have a monarchy, because we have history.
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I'm sorry to be intervening in this national topic of yours but why does monarchy make a nation special? I'm really curious about this...
Greece had a monarch until not that long ago, King Constantine if I remember correctly...
There are obviously a lot of views about our monarchy. The present Queen has made a fair few mistakes, but don't we all. A constitutional monarchy provides continuity, a national figurehead, and another check on Government. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Blair's weekly meeting with the Queen.
Spiderman
27-11-06, 11:26 AM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Blair's weekly meeting with the Queen.
You and me both mate. Mus be some of the most interesting "for your eyes only" chats taking place there.
Jelster
27-11-06, 12:15 PM
This nation is special because we have a monarchy, because we have history.
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I'm sorry to be intervening in this national topic of yours but why does monarchy make a nation special? I'm really curious about this...
From my perspective, I don't see very many other countries with Monarchies that are involved in the everyday running of the country. Agreed the Queen has no real "power" any more, but it does give a reality check to the existing government, and she provides the country with a figurehead for international occasions.
Would you rather attend an event where the Queen or Tony Blair is present ? (this excludes you having the opportunity to kick, throw food or assassinate the Prime Minister :lol: )
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flower of scotland!
as an exile - NO!
Want the english want is a tune like flower of scotland. Leave the NA alone and get your own tune therefore leaving the NA to be played only when GB is represented
Personally I vote for Jerusulem
and to derail it - Scotland should get another as Flower of Scotland is not a nice song - esp as we did go back think again came back and whopped their backsides!! :oops:
I'd agree with Jelster & Ed that it's good to have another check against the government of the day (even if her constitutional power is all but unwieldable). I do wonder what they get upto when they're together, obv the business of the day takes some time but what do they do with the rest of the hour? Rather than studiously ignore each other in silence I'd like to think they break out the boardgames and have a good tear up. I'd back Tony on thumb-wars but I'd give Liz the edge on Hungry-Hungry Hippos.
UlsterSV
27-11-06, 02:12 PM
Funnily enough, I actually possess an original manuscript of a meeting between an unknown PM and the Queen. Here I have typed it out in full...
Prime Minister: Morning, Your Majesty.
Queen: Good morning, Prime Minister.
Prime Minister: Just want to let you know how I will be running things this week. The plan for the week is as follows: I shall do my best to further dismantle the Empire until it becomes nothing more than a distant memory, paying particular attention to abandoning those most loyal subjects in our colonies of Ulster and Australia. I will also do my best to stifle and suffocate the culture of the natives of these Isles with the eventual goal of making the white population ashamed of who they are.
Queen: So just the same as last week then? Very well, you may proceed.
It is believed that this script has been followed more or less to the letter in every meeting that has ever taken place between the Queen and all PMs that have been in office during her reign. However, as of the First Gulf War, the following line was added to the Prime Minister's part:
I will also send your army off to fight wars it has no business fighting, as and when either Washington or Brussels requires.
northwind
27-11-06, 02:32 PM
Jerusalem would make a good English national anthem... Well, it's too religious, but it's a great song. God Save The Queen is just fawning. Nobody's born to reign over me, and you'll have a hard time finding a majority that believe an accident of birth makes you fit to rule, these days. And an even harder time once Charles is King...
I have no great problem with the monarchy... They're good for tourism, and it's good to have a sense of your own history. But the reason I don't have a problem with it, is that they're not in charge any more.
From my perspective, I don't see very many other countries with Monarchies that are involved in the everyday running of the country. Agreed the Queen has no real "power" any more, but it does give a reality check to the existing government, and she provides the country with a figurehead for international occasions.
So, in what way does the Queen have any involvement in the day to day running of this country? :)
Jerusalem would make a good English national anthem... Well, it's too religious, but it's a great song. God Save The Queen is just fawning. Nobody's born to reign over me, and you'll have a hard time finding a majority that believe an accident of birth makes you fit to rule, these days. And an even harder time once Charles is King...
I have no great problem with the monarchy... They're good for tourism, and it's good to have a sense of your own history. But the reason I don't have a problem with it, is that they're not in charge any more.
From my perspective, I don't see very many other countries with Monarchies that are involved in the everyday running of the country. Agreed the Queen has no real "power" any more, but it does give a reality check to the existing government, and she provides the country with a figurehead for international occasions.
So, in what way does the Queen have any involvement in the day to day running of this country? :)
She gets to hear about it like the rest of us... except her opinion would be printed / announced if she ever actually said it in public... :lol:
Damoulianos Marios
27-11-06, 04:34 PM
Greece had a monarch until not that long ago, King Constantine if I remember correctly...
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He was placed on throne without the people being asked about it. It was so rude, he wasn't even greek! (Constantine Glyxbourg was his name). All Kings in greek history after independence from the Ottomans, around 1830, were figures chosen by foreign powers so as to intervene easily in internal matters. They harmed the country continuously. After the junta fall in 1974, a plebiscite won by about 85% decreed that a King was to be no more and that the greeks wanted "pure" democracy.
There are obviously a lot of views about our monarchy. The present Queen has made a fair few mistakes, but don't we all. A constitutional monarchy provides continuity, a national figurehead, and another check on Government. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Blair's weekly meeting with the Queen.
These might be true but I don't see why a King is better a nation figurehead (and all the rest you account for him) than a President of the Democracy. These are just titles after all, they are both figures without any real power, the only difference I can see is the bill in the national budget about keeping those figures up there.
And even if a King is something of a "better figurehead" this certainly does not make a nation special.
CoolGirl
27-11-06, 05:00 PM
Greece had a monarch until not that long ago, King Constantine if I remember correctly...
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he wasn't even greek! (Constantine Glyxbourg was his name).
We got one of them now. Our lot are Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Changed their name to Windsor so they'd fit in a bit better over here. So the British monarchy had to Anglicise themsleves -who'da thunk it? :roll:
For anyone who's feeling patriotic - you're only British by an accident of birth. Would you feel the same level of patriotism if you'd been born in, say, Japan?
And, aesthetically, the national anthem does indeed suck. Can we have something that's not a hymn or a march? My lad, for some strange reason, can sing the Canadian anthem but not the British one :?
Peter Henry
27-11-06, 05:25 PM
People do get emotionally charged when listening to the "English" national anthem more due to the meaning of it to them rather than the rousing nature of the sentiment of the lyric or the musical score.
The anthem always turns in to a shouting contest when you get to the..."send her blah,blah bit"
I am convinced a tune more wholesome and with a lyric more related to the country and it's people rather than one individual could easilly be composed.
Get that funny looking little fella Andrew Lloyd wotshis face on the case! :wink:
Anyway, the new national anthem should be something along the lines of 'Ping is great, na na na na...' etc.
:D
Damoulianos - Ping has beaten me to it. Our lot are German, Prince Philip is from your country, so Prince Charles is an interesting mixture for a Prince of Wales and future King...
A President. Ah yes, like the USA. Or France. I can't think how a Presidency here could be an improvement on what we have at the moment. Presidents - vote them in, vote them out. Our dear Queen Tib has no real power officially, but unofficially she holds huge sway over what goes on, not just here, but in the 'Commonwealth'. She is a symbol of national unity. She is beyond corruption because she has no real power. She represents national continuity. And - she generates enormous revenue - howw many foreign visitors come to these small islands just to look at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle.
Dicky Ticker
27-11-06, 09:30 PM
Ping isn't allowed as our national anthem------She is foreign and speaks funny----says he :lol: :lol:
amarko5
28-11-06, 12:50 AM
I am convinced a tune more wholesome and with a lyric more related to the country and it's people rather than one individual could easilly be composed.
that could be a right interesting mishmash of sounds :wink: with the diversity of people who now make up the "british" isles.
i can just hear the sitars playing amoungst the tin drums and bongo's :lol:
Damoulianos Marios
28-11-06, 01:56 AM
A President. Ah yes, like the USA. Or France. I can't think how a Presidency here could be an improvement on what we have at the moment. Presidents - vote them in, vote them out. Our dear Queen Tib has no real power officially, but unofficially she holds huge sway over what goes on, not just here, but in the 'Commonwealth'. She is a symbol of national unity. She is beyond corruption because she has no real power. She represents national continuity. And - she generates enormous revenue - howw many foreign visitors come to these small islands just to look at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle.
I'm sorry, but as far as Greece is concerned, you got this totally wrong. The constitutional figure of "President of the Democracy" in Greece is nothing more than a "national figurehead", without any power whatsoever. Just like your King (or Queen?). He usually is an elderly ex-political figure who is revered for his achievments and ethos. The american president analogue for us is just the prime minister, who is the true head of the country.
So as you can see, my previous argument still stands its ground...
Ping isn't allowed as our national anthem------She is foreign and speaks funny----says he :lol: :lol:
Oi! I was born in Hertfordshire... :P
:lol:
Supervox
28-11-06, 10:39 AM
Ping isn't allowed as our national anthem------She is foreign and speaks funny----says he :lol: :lol:
Oi! I was born in Hertfordshire... :P
:lol:
But I'm sure I have heard you say that you long to back in Canuckland - so therefore you long to be foreign !! :shock:
And you do have to admit you do speak funny !! :lol:
I love the accent though !!
Then again, there are probably more "funny speaking" regular contributors to the Essex Lounge than "regular speaking" !!
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