View Full Version : the sv650 4th most crashed bike.
kwak zzr
15-12-06, 05:22 PM
we i surpose many of us added to this then :roll:
instigator
15-12-06, 05:24 PM
You's certainly do!!! Stop friggin crashing you lot. :x :P
T'is an ideal first big bike afterall. Where's the supprise that it's highly crashed by novices?
Does that mean the bike (by design) is dodgy, or the rider didn't know how to get out of the sticky stuff?
Polls like the one you must of got your info from kwak, always make me chuckle. No background information, just a vague answer.
kwak zzr
15-12-06, 05:27 PM
What's 1 2 & 3 then?
give me 1 moment.
Peter Henry
15-12-06, 05:33 PM
I bet there is a Gixxer something in that top 3 somewhere! :wink: :D
kwak zzr
15-12-06, 05:35 PM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/kwak-zzr/list.jpg
Peter Henry
15-12-06, 05:38 PM
The list reaks of novices,newbies and direct access folks to me! Flame on ........... :D
kwak zzr
15-12-06, 05:40 PM
we crash every type of bike on this site :oops:
And look at the locations on the list :lol:
kwak zzr
15-12-06, 05:51 PM
it is pretty south'ish isnt it :roll:
Polls like the one you must of got your info from kwak, always make me chuckle. No background information, just a vague answer.
Exactly no allowance for miles covered by these bikes - that would be far to much hard work for the good people at MCN.
They could as well have printed a sales chart :roll:
Interesting that women don't crash bikes.
(or don't ride them)
They male list is basically the same as the overall list, yet the No.1 Female crashed bike doesn't appear at all. edit : sorry it's 16th, but still.
Comes as no suprise that Maidstone is as high up in the list as it is with all the doppy cage drivers around here :lol:
we i surpose many of us added to this then :roll:
Yeah but yeah but yeah but....
That's the 'S'. Shows how good we naked riders are lmfao!!
JohnH
Blue_SV650S
15-12-06, 07:15 PM
Hummmm ... bearing in mind the SV is the 5th most crashed bike by blokes ... and the 6th most crashed bike by women ... there must be quite a few hermaphrodites, eunuchs, cat and dog riders out there to make it 4th overall!! :lol:
Oh yes ... as per usual this reeks of jurno/MCN BS!!! ;)
Oh and I live in the highest crash postcode outside London it would seem!! :roll: :lol:
chazzyb
15-12-06, 07:18 PM
I wonder how the ranking in those lists work? SV650S 4th overall. But fifth in the men's list and Sixth in the women's.
Nostrils
15-12-06, 07:31 PM
Those figures are useless without a breakdown of the reasons for crashing!! Rider error, collision, speed etc!!
muffles
15-12-06, 07:37 PM
i live in SW17...damn it lol...
I wonder how the ranking in those lists work? SV650S 4th overall. But fifth in the men's list and Sixth in the women's.
Add mens and womens together for each bike?
It's interesting, but if the info is so accurate and meaningful, why present it in such a simple way with no explanation of what "most likely" means. Most crashes overall? Most per example on the road atm? Most per mile covered?
Alpinestarhero
15-12-06, 08:03 PM
phew, dad got rid of his gixer6 just in time then accident imminent it seems!
Matt
Alpinestarhero
15-12-06, 08:05 PM
Speefight 100, number 14! I'll be back on it then when I feel a bit uneasy some days...
Matt
northwind
15-12-06, 08:13 PM
Hummmm ... bearing in mind the SV is the 5th most crashed bike by blokes ... and the 6th most crashed bike by women ... there must be quite a few hermaphrodites, eunuchs, cat and dog riders out there to make it 4th overall!! :lol:
Nah, doesn't neccesarily follow. There could be bikes ahead of it that are crashed by a lot of men and no women, and others that are crashed by a lot of women but not men.
Blue_SV650S
15-12-06, 08:31 PM
Hummmm ... bearing in mind the SV is the 5th most crashed bike by blokes ... and the 6th most crashed bike by women ... there must be quite a few hermaphrodites, eunuchs, cat and dog riders out there to make it 4th overall!! :lol:
Nah, doesn't neccesarily follow. There could be bikes ahead of it that are crashed by a lot of men and no women, and others that are crashed by a lot of women but not men.
If you look at the bikes in the ordering that still doesn't follow ...
Also lets face it, not only are female riders in a minority (what do you reckon, 5% of riders??) but I'd say they generally crash less too ... I could be wrong with my % reckoning (anyone know a true % female riders??), but I'd say that the female rider contribution to CRASH statistics is so minor that it'd struggle to sway/skew the results ... I reckon by sheer numbers alone woman probably account for no more than 5% of the total crashes!?!? ...
northwind
15-12-06, 08:44 PM
If you look at the bikes in the ordering that still doesn't follow ...
You expect me to actually read the thing I'm commenting on? Are you mad? :)
chazzyb
15-12-06, 08:44 PM
I wonder how the ranking in those lists work? SV650S 4th overall. But fifth in the men's list and Sixth in the women's.
Add mens and womens together for each bike?
It's interesting, but if the info is so accurate and meaningful, why present it in such a simple way with no explanation of what "most likely" means. Most crashes overall? Most per example on the road atm? Most per mile covered?
There's lies, damned lies and then statistics.
Also, there's a helluva lot of SV's on the road, so you'd expect them to figure well up the charts. I wonder what the ratio of bike model to prangs looks like across the range?
the white rabbit
15-12-06, 09:01 PM
There's lies, damned lies and then statistics.
I dont think there's even much 'statistics' gone on there. No explanation 'hows its comed up' with.
But the GS600F crashes are probably mercy killings.
Dicky Ticker
15-12-06, 09:01 PM
Triumph----Mid Essex----- :thumright: :thumright: :thumright:
I'm thinking insurance claims for the stats.
I may have crashed but I didn't claim. ;)
Blue_SV650S
15-12-06, 10:46 PM
I'm thinking insurance claims for the stats.
I may have crashed but I didn't claim. ;)
Quite.
Whichever way they are sourced, I find the top rung Vespa ET4 a surprise ... not that I am looking out for them, but I didn't even realise they existed ... I had to look a picture up ... ;) ... http://www.auction-air.com/auction_2004_mar/images/scooter_Vespa1_w400.jpg ...
I can see how Bandits and GIXERS could come high up as they span back a few years now and there are so many of them out there, but is there really that many Vespa ET4s sold to be able to compete with Bandits/GIXERS even if only 1% of them go down????? I'd like to see the sales figures of ET4s and take out shares in PIAGGIO ;)
Or is it just that every ET4 sold gets crashed?!!? might be the same bloke/burd that every time they get a new off the insurance they fall straight off it again?!!?!? :lol:
But the GS600F crashes are probably mercy killings.
:smt005
socommk23
16-12-06, 12:05 AM
9 times in 4 years!
How can the S model rank so high, while the Naked does on even make the top 15?
We N riders are not holding up our end, dammit.
I've had mine down, slow speed on a gravel road, not paying attention after recent road work :oops:
Not surprised about the number of scooters, though.
lukemillar
16-12-06, 08:11 AM
Whichever way they are sourced, I find the top rung Vespa ET4 a surprise ...
I can see how Bandits and GIXERS could come high up as they span back a few years now and there are so many of them out there, but is there really that many Vespa ET4s sold to be able to compete with Bandits/GIXERS even if only 1% of them go down?????
ET2's and ET4's are probably the most common 2 wheeled bike/scooter in London. I would guess that vast majority are also being ridden on car licences or CBT's.
New motorcycle registrations: Top 10 models, United Kingdom, 2005
1 Honda CBR 125 R 124
2 Suzuki GSXR 1000 988
3 Kawasaki ZX6R 636
4 Honda CBR 1000 RR 998
5 BMW R 1200 GS Dual Sport 1170
6 Yamaha YZF R1 998
7 Honda SCV 100 Lead Scooter 102
8 Piaggio NRG Scooter 49
9 Honda CBR 600 RR 599
10 Yamaha YZF R6 599
i stand corrected that the crash list is not simply the same as the sales list - If we could get the relative numbers of bikes old and new registered on the road, that would be more valid.
I don't see the problem of understanding how when you have men making it the 5th most crashed bike and add all the women crashing it in their 6th place it jumps ahead of the R6 that presumably women don't ride (well they don't crash them anyway :D )
And there must be a lot of female riders if their top bike crashed makes 16th and it's not in the male list at all.
How comes my insurance went up by 50% when I moved from the SV to the ZX?
northwind
16-12-06, 07:28 PM
Theft... It also could be that the severity of accidents they're in is higher- maybe a load of SVs crash at 30, but I bet more Ninjas crash at 150 :)
valleyboy
16-12-06, 08:14 PM
How comes my insurance went up by 50% when I moved from the SV to the ZX?
Because if you were given a choice of stealing an SV650S or a ZX-6R.. which one would you nick? :lol: I'd personaly steal neither.. I owned one, and own the other... :lol:
Blue_SV650S
16-12-06, 08:22 PM
How comes my insurance went up by 50% when I moved from the SV to the ZX?
Because if you were given a choice of stealing an SV650S or a ZX-6R.. which one would you nick? :lol: I'd personaly steal neither.. I owned one, and own the other... :lol:
That's where you might be mistaken ... if you look at theft figures you might find that the SV is more stolen!?!? It doesn't always follow that the more valuable or nicer looking the bike the more nickable it is ...
I think the highest stolen things are scooters ... not because they are cool, but coz the kids have them, break them and want them! And the security is usually less on them ... I'd rather have a ZX (or SV) than a scoot!! ;)
northwind
16-12-06, 08:24 PM
That's where you might be mistaken ... if you look at theft figures you might find that the SV is more stolen!?!? It doesn't always follow that the more valuable or nicer looking the bike the more nickable it is ...
Yep, but SS600s and litres are almost always the most stolen bikes... Very high demand for the parts, etc. It makes sense, you can nick an SV, break it, and sell the unidentifiable bits for a grand, or do the same with a GSXR and get twice that, for the same effort.
valleyboy
16-12-06, 08:39 PM
Not forgetting that most people with SS600 bikes have alarms on them.. I know my insurance company said that it had to have an alarm on it, or they wouldnt insure me.. even though its locked up in a garage all night anyway... where as most SV650's do not have alarms... (well from the bunch I know anyway)
plus since when do insurance companies go by statistics ? :lol:
If it looks good, and go's good.. then its potentialy very nickable.. hence higher insurance (plus it costs almost twice as much as an SV brand new) and uglier bikes tend to cost less to insure...
as for me, Im paying less now for insuring the Kwak than when I insured the SV when I had it 15 months ago... all thats different is one extra years NCB and riding experience...
I'm_a_Newbie
16-12-06, 10:10 PM
9 times in 4 years!
Ever thought biking is not your thing :roll:
I would assume that there is a greater opportunity to nick SV's as they are more likely to be parked on the road than an SS600, less likely to be hidden away for 5 months of the year like an SS600 and more likely to be used for commuting and parked up somewhere in public all day. As high mileage commuter bikes I would have thought the demand for stolen spares to replace collision damage or wear and tear would also be as high as for an SS600.
If anything the SV is harder to ride and more likely to be crashed or at best no more likely to be crashed than an SS600. There reaches a point where the bike is so quick that anything quicker doesn't really raise the danger levels. I'd say the SV maybe has a higher performance to braking/handling ratio than an SS600...
I dunno, I always suspect that the insurance companies are taking the ****. I can't see how they can justify a 50% premium increase.
I have owned or do own 2, 4, 9 and 11. Hmmmmm
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