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timwilky
30-12-06, 11:06 AM
Was it justice at last, or state sponsored murder.
As far as I am concerned, there is a lot wrong with capital punishment and this was premature as he had not been called to account for all his crimes. In Saddams case I do not think anyone would dispute his guilt, but he certainly did not get a fair trial.
Now the insurgents in Iraq have yet another martyr for their cause.
kwak zzr
30-12-06, 11:10 AM
mmm touchy subject timwilky, he did do alot of bad things when he was in power :? i didnt know he had been executed.
I doubt they wanted to waste money or others lives on trying him for more crimes. At least it closes a chapter. We will wait to see if it opens another. Overall its hard to draw an opinion on something you know has been twisted by the media and outside influence out of the reality.
Where can I find the video of him getting his just desserts?
timwilky
30-12-06, 11:54 AM
Where can I find the video of him getting his just desserts?
The BBC news site shows him getting the noose put over his head and refusing a hood. But would you really want to see him dropping?
furrybean
30-12-06, 12:06 PM
I'm sure if thats what floats your boat you can watch it on Ogrish.com or something similar
Ugh. This will not solve anything.
Executions are never right. Never.
furrybean
30-12-06, 12:22 PM
On a lighter note I saw this that made me laugh http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d319cb1c2e
This conveniently ensures he'll never have to defend his human rights violations whilst he was being supported by the United States. :?
Personally I would have preferred to see him rot in jail for the rest of his days. At least the Iraqi jails were built by him and the justice system over there isn't as limp-wristed as what we get to 'enjoy' in our countries.
It does seem to follow the general gist of punishment for that part of the world though.
I was out on the pi$$ with Sadam last night...should have seen the state of him this morning....he was fookin hanging :takeabow:
Biker Biggles
30-12-06, 09:55 PM
Agree with Ed.Never right to do this.
As for Saddam,he was an evil dictator,just like many others around still today.But it seems that if you ask the people who live in Iraq things are worse now than they were under Saddam.So would it be better to leave these dictators to kill a few thousand of their people,or invade them and allow the deaths of many more people in the ensuing chaos?
I believe this war was the biggest mistake in a generation.I will never again vote for any politician who supported it.
Supervox
30-12-06, 10:10 PM
. . .So would it be better to leave these dictators to kill a few thousand of their people,or invade them and allow the deaths of many more people in the ensuing chaos?
The figure that seems to be universally used is 300,000.
The basic problem with this way of thinking is :-
(a) Where do you draw the line ?
(b) Who decides where the line should be drawn ?
Jelster
30-12-06, 11:11 PM
I believe this war was the biggest mistake in a generation.I will never again vote for any politician who supported it.
At the time (given the information available) I think just about all parties gave it the thumbs up. I think too many politicians like to jump on the latest bandwagon. 3 Years ago it was "We must save the Iraqi people from them this evil regime", then it was "we must save them from civil war", now it's "we must get out at all costs".
Some people want their cake, and want to eat other peoples as well as their own....
But I guess that's what being a politician is all about.
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http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2006601051,00.jpg
He deserved the death penalty but not the fact that he will become a martyr due to it. Rotting in a cell would have been better.
And perhaps the odd bumming off Mr. Big.
im not really up for the death penalty, so no, i dont think it was justified, no action deserves taking another mans life.
Cameraphone vid here
I've removed the link, whilst relevant to the thread, watching somebody whoever it is, being hung is not U rated and therefore not suitable for this forum.
Please PM the orginal poster if you wish to watch the vid.
Thanks
Fizz
My apologies Fizz. I appreciate it's not everyones cup of tea.
As said if anyone does want the link just PM.
wheelnut
31-12-06, 10:56 AM
Hanging Maddas will only contribute to the lawlessness in Iraq. At least he kept his people in check by threats. Dont forget that the Americans and British soldiers have killed more civilians than he ever did.
An eye for an eye? All that will do is make people blind!
Romania was ruled by a tyrant who squandered the countries capital on lavish holidays and buildings while the people worked hard and were starving if they didnt.
On Christmas day 1989 they shot Nicolae Ceaucescu and since then Romania has turned into a lawless haven for pikeys, thieving Gippos and people trafficking. As of tomorrow morning they are free to come to the EU and Britain.
Was it a mistake to make Saddam a martyr? You bet it was
Please remove this camera phone link, as its not what I would call u rated.
Please remove this camera phone link, as its not what I would call u rated.
i have a very twisted sense of humour,
yet i wouldnt really want to see someone die on TV for real.
if others want to watch, then so be it,
just wanted to make it clear.
Was it the right course of action or the wrong one - I doubt I'll ever really be able to make my mind up n that one - but it's the one that the world is stuck with so I just hope that enough work will go into making it the right thing to have done... in the end.
I sincerely doubt that it's all going to come up roses now though. Generally people are just too damn lazy and opt for the easiest and most emotionally distant option.
For example, I think the death penalty would have been given less credence by his prosecutors (and many others who were veahmently calling for it) if it was on the understanding that they would actually be the ones doing the executing.
Sadly though there are always those who are eager to kill - again, human nature at its basest.
On Christmas day 1989 they shot Nicolae Ceaucescu and since then Romania has turned into a lawless haven for pikeys, thieving Gippos and people trafficking. As of tomorrow morning they are free to come to the EU and Britain.
2 sides to this argument. The people trafficking existed because of the EU and the rest sounds just like any other country in Europe - so they should fit right in.
wheelnut
31-12-06, 12:54 PM
You are feeling sleepy
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Coffeeholic//noosetime.gif
UlsterSV
31-12-06, 02:01 PM
Defiant in life, dignified in death.
kwak zzr
31-12-06, 02:19 PM
well he as been a naughty boy :wink:
Supervox
31-12-06, 03:54 PM
Hanging Maddas will only contribute to the lawlessness in Iraq. At least he kept his people in check by threats. Dont forget that the Americans and British soldiers have killed more civilians than he ever did.
An eye for an eye? All that will do is make people blind!
Romania was ruled by a tyrant who squandered the countries capital on lavish holidays and buildings while the people worked hard and were starving if they didnt.
On Christmas day 1989 they shot Nicolae Ceaucescu and since then Romania has turned into a lawless haven for pikeys, thieving Gippos and people trafficking. As of tomorrow morning they are free to come to the EU and Britain.
Was it a mistake to make Saddam a martyr? You bet it was
Really, & what is your source for this piece of information ?
The Basket
31-12-06, 05:02 PM
Gotta say that there was no man more deserving.
Prob won't make a jot a difference but this ain't time for common sense.
But the point has been made...if the West don't like you then you hang.
well he as been a naughty boy :wink:
Next you'll be telling me he's not the Messiah either. :P
Just got some Sadam T-shirts from e-bay, bit tight round the ol neck but they hang well :D
Happy new year :lol:
skidmarx
31-12-06, 07:38 PM
Ugh. This will not solve anything.
Executions are never right. Never.
what Ed said......... :(
skidmarx
31-12-06, 07:44 PM
Ugh. This will not solve anything.
Executions are never right. Never.
what Ed said......... :(
Defiant in life, dignified in death.
If I ever hear from my Iraqi Christian friend Shatha, who overstayed her leave in Britain in 1985 - 1986 (i.e., her leave to be out of Iraq rather than her leave to remain in the United Kingdom), and who was so frightened to return to Iraq for fear of Ba'ath party reprisals, and from whom I have not heard since, I must remember to tell her that you think so.
And I wonder if her brother, who was conscripted into the Iraqi army and who went missing presumed dead in the Iran-Iraq war, had a dignified death. Yes, if I see or hear from Shatha again, I must ask.
hall13uk
31-12-06, 10:53 PM
I don't really see what the execution will achieve.
of course we all know Saddam was what can really only be called evil, & of course he in many people's view got exactly what he deserved. I can only imagine what it must be like lose a loved one at the hands of such a evil tyrant.
However i fail to see in reality what his execution will achieve, there are i am sure so many unanswered questions that family's in Iraqi must have. Saddam you must remember was condemned to death on the basis of a very very small part of what he actually did, so many other atrocities have been over looked. I think personally he should have been made to answer for all of them. He got of very light indeed & I think that Saddam knew this.
& so begins another chapter in Iraqi's troubled history I can scarcely image what it must be like to live in such a troubled country, i wish the country's people my very best wishes.
& finally have the up most respect for our troops trying to do a job for which they are clearly poorly equipped for under payed for & very under-valued.
wheelnut
01-01-07, 03:16 AM
Hanging Maddas will only contribute to the lawlessness in Iraq. At least he kept his people in check by threats. Dont forget that the Americans and British soldiers have killed more civilians than he ever did.
An eye for an eye? All that will do is make people blind!
Romania was ruled by a tyrant who squandered the countries capital on lavish holidays and buildings while the people worked hard and were starving if they didnt.
On Christmas day 1989 they shot Nicolae Ceaucescu and since then Romania has turned into a lawless haven for pikeys, thieving Gippos and people trafficking. As of tomorrow morning they are free to come to the EU and Britain.
Was it a mistake to make Saddam a martyr? You bet it was
Really, & what is your source for this piece of information ?
Telegraph
Last month, one US survey estimated that some 655,000 Iraqis might still be alive but for the US-led invasion of 2003.
The report, based on data from Iraq's health ministry, also said that, in addition to those displaced around Iraq, nearly 100,000 people were fleeing to Syria and Jordan every month, taking the total number estimated to have sought refuge abroad since 2003 to 1.6 million.
Times
The new study, published in the online edition of The Lancet, the British medical journal, also accepts a broad range of error, with its lead author, Gilbert Burnham, also of Johns Hopkins, saying the true figure could lie anywhere between 426,369 to 793,663.
It estimated that a total of 654,965 more Iraqis had died as a consequence of the war than "would have been expected in a non-conflict situation". Of those, 601,000 it was said had died directly of violent causes, including gunfire, car bombs, air strikes and other explosions. The rest had suffered from a general decline in healthcare and sanitary standards due to failing water supplies, sewerage and electricity supply.
I tend to believe some things written in the newspapers.
Of course Tony blair and George Bush have denied these numbers, but as Christine Keeler said. They would wouldn't they?
northwind
01-01-07, 04:22 PM
As far as I am concerned, there is a lot wrong with capital punishment and this was premature as he had not been called to account for all his crimes. In Saddams case I do not think anyone would dispute his guilt, but he certainly did not get a fair trial.
To me immense surprise, I agree with Tim :) This leaves it wide open to his supporters/apologists arguing that his trial was unfair. The fact that he was undeniably guilty doesn't mean you can just whitewash the trial, sometimes the forms are as important as the results. Should've been a showcase trial for a better way of doing things, not a sham as it was.
I'm generally against the death penalty, but I find I can't get too upset about Saddah Hussein being dead. Funny that... But I think it's a mistake, regardless. And it gave him his opportunity for a good ending- he was made to look weak when he was captured, but nobody could deny he faced his death well. That'll be a scene people remember long after they forget him being dug out of a hole.
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