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how do i go about fitting hot grips so that they only work when ignition is on please?
have you done a search?
yes.....
diamond
01-01-07, 08:45 PM
Well you didn't search very well, what more do you need to know? i just did a search and there's loads of stuff about relays on the side lights and fitting grips definatly enough not to need to ask any more questions.
Well you didn't search very well, what more do you need to know? i just did a search and there's loads of stuff about relays on the side lights and fitting grips definatly enough not to need to ask any more questions.
just a bit unsure on the best way so that they cant be left on :oops:
On my pointy, the hot grips are wired directly into the "spare" slot next to the main ignition wire in the fuse box. The solid orange wire is bridged to 2 spare wire holders (which use the same fuse IIRC). The orange wire is only live when you turn the key, so I figured this was a good place to solder the wire, but it takes a little finesse to get the wire, solder & soldering iron into that wee hole.
Hey-presto.
Note: I've since removed the original controller & wired up my own. :)
I fitted some hot-grips the other day and must admit that even though I did a search it was much easier to just figure it out for myself :? Too much talk of relays and wiring in spare fuses got me confused so I just went at it with the multi-meter and a large helping of guesswork :lol:
I spent ages trying to use the spare fuse slot but it was just too fiddly for my stubby fingers and so set about splicing a connector off the main wiring loom just behind the fairing - easy peasy. Keeps the wires all tidy in the gap besides the dash and can easily be accessed through the bottom of the fairing or by taking off the side panel. Live was connected to the orange ignition wire as has been previously mentioned and the earth to a bolt on the frame next to the connector.
I think the hardest bit was trying to get the blasted grips on the bars, seemed to take forever but then I had to file the edge of the clip-on due to some burred metal from a previous drop, and don't even mention the throttle side being just a bit too long - not enough to see, but just enough to jam the throttle return when the bar-end was was put back on :evil:
Still, got it done in the end and works a treat, just waiting for a really cold day now to try 'em out.
I think the hardest bit was trying to get the blasted grips on the bars, seemed to take forever but then I had to file the edge of the clip-on due to some burred metal from a previous drop, and don't even mention the throttle side being just a bit too long - not enough to see, but just enough to jam the throttle return when the bar-end was was put back on :evil:
Still, got it done in the end and works a treat, just waiting for a really cold day now to try 'em out.
For the throttle side, there's a plastic tab on the throttle sleeve, right next to the front brake mount, file this off, and the grip goes on nicely. Alternatively, get the throttle sleeve from an R6 & put that on in it's place.
I didn't do the R6 mod though, because apparently the cables can be fiddly.
I found the old grips harder to get off than the new ones to get on.
minifun
02-01-07, 10:02 AM
I did the R6 mod when I fitted mine as the SV throttle tube one disintegrated on removal of the original grip! Eek!
Mine are wired into the headlight loom - purely by accident but they work! Lol When I was tracing an ignition live I have the headlights on! Not a problem though as I never turn them off and it doesn't seem to affect them!
For the throttle side, there's a plastic tab on the throttle sleeve, right next to the front brake mount, file this off, and the grip goes on nicely.
Did that (used a Stanley knife though), but even still the grip was a brazillianth of a mm too long and was just rubbing enough on the bar-end weight to affect the return travel - not a lot but I still think it would make me poo my pants. Instead I just got the scalpel out and shaved off the moulding remains, all sorted.
Old grips came off quite easy to be fair; stuck a flat screwdriver under the grip, quick spray of WD40 under it and spun the driver round under the grip, quick gentle pull and off it came in perfect condition - don't think Mr Suzuki used too much glue to put it on in the first place though.
R6 tube sounded good but I'm too tight to buy it :lol:
For the throttle side, there's a plastic tab on the throttle sleeve, right next to the front brake mount, file this off, and the grip goes on nicely.
Did that (used a Stanley knife though), but even still the grip was a brazillianth of a mm too long and was just rubbing enough on the bar-end weight to affect the return travel - not a lot but I still think it would make me poo my pants. Instead I just got the scalpel out and shaved off the moulding remains, all sorted.
I was the same, but I rode it for a while with the bar-end weight acting as a "cruise control", great for motorway riding. But the constant rubbing as you open-close the throttle meant the bar-end weight bolt got lost somewhere on the A55 at high speed, and I had to buy a new weight :oops:
So I cut off the rubber & put the new weight on.
I just spaced the weight out with a washer.
northwind
02-01-07, 02:45 PM
I spaced mine out as well. Then I broke the throttle tab by mistake, and moved the whole assembly inwards :roll:
just got my hot grips through the post :wink:
& it looks like the connecter is the same as the optimate one i have fitted so im going to connect it to that for now (if it fits) until im confident enough to start cutting wires
it says it has a safety device built in so it will turn its self off?? :shock:
just got my hot grips through the post :wink:
& it looks like the connecter is the same as the optimate one i have fitted so im going to connect it to that for now (if it fits) until im confident enough to start cutting wires
it says it has a safety device built in so it will turn its self off?? :shock:
I think thats so that it don't melt... it will flatten you battery, I know from experience.
just got my hot grips through the post :wink:
& it looks like the connecter is the same as the optimate one i have fitted so im going to connect it to that for now (if it fits) until im confident enough to start cutting wires
it says it has a safety device built in so it will turn its self off?? :shock:
I think thats so that it don't melt... it will flatten you battery, I know from experience.
i think i might have a new model :wink:
i think i might have a new model :wink:
I only got them April 2006.
Old grips removed.
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Heated grips fitted, lovely and warm, though the right hand does get a bit hotter.
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northwind
03-01-07, 12:49 PM
Bet you a pound it doesn't turn itself off? :)
how do i go about fitting hot grips so that they only work when ignition is on please?
HOT GRIPS !!!!
Ya big baby. Get good gloves and grin and bare it :lol:
Bet you a pound it doesn't turn itself off? :)
Make that 2 pounds from me.
to prevent the battery from being discharged the heat controller has asophisticated software that will automaticly switch off all power to the hot grips
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:roll: \:D/
well can't see that pick... so I still don't beleave it.
Hovi5, indeed you do have the new model.
It pains me to say it, but yes, hovi5 is right (sort of), it does turn itself off when it detects low battery levels. But this isn't a software trick (imagine the power drain to run a PIC to test for power levels, irony or what?), it's hardware based. TBH, I'm supprised they didn't build it in before, but it's not necessary if you think for half a second before fitting them.
It's going to be interesting to see how long the controller lasts, and how easy those buttons are to use with gloves on though. (I saw the pic earlier.)
Hovi5, indeed you do have the new model.
It pains me to say it, but yes, hovi5 is right :kiss: (sort of), it does turn itself off when it detects low battery levels. But this isn't a software trick (imagine the power drain to run a PIC to test for power levels, irony or what?), it's hardware based. TBH, I'm supprised they didn't build it in before, but it's not necessary if you think for half a second before fitting them.
It's going to be interesting to see how long the controller lasts, and how easy those buttons are to use with gloves on though. (I saw the pic earlier.)
although i still will be fitting it so it will only work with ignition.....as i will get it done on its next service, as i dont feel i have the technology to start cutting wires :oops: i will fit them to the battery just for now :roll:
It pains me to say it, but yes, hovi5 is right
Hovi5 got it ri-ight, Hovi5 got i ri-ight, laa laa la la, laa laa la la :lol:
Hovi5, indeed you do have the new model.
It pains me to say it, but yes, hovi5 is right (sort of), it does turn itself off when it detects low battery levels.
Mmmh 'low battery levels'... so when its cold and the battery won't start on the first fire up, there's not enough for the second.
Hovi5, indeed you do have the new model.
It pains me to say it, but yes, hovi5 is right (sort of), it does turn itself off when it detects low battery levels.
Mmmh 'low battery levels'... so when its cold and the battery won't start on the first fire up, there's not enough for the second.
'zactly ;) But then, starting requires amps, and the low battery check will be done by voltage, so it's a flawed system to start with.
But hey, at least they're trying! (and Im purely guessing at how the low level detection works, just in case someone from Oxford reads this ;) )
EDIT: Out of interest hovi5, is it still rated at 4 amps for the grips, or have they upped it because of the fancy new controller?
still 4 amps :wink:
& i got a FREE handlebar bracket
still 4 amps :wink:
& i got a FREE handlebar bracket
The old ones came with one 2... its called a cable tie.
still 4 amps :wink:
& i got a FREE handlebar bracket
The old ones came with one 2... its called a cable tie.
Surely you mean two. With only one it'd flap around like mad at any decent speed! :lol:
you guys make me giggle. thanx for lightening up an otherwise sh*tty day at work :lol:
i think i might have a new model :wink:
I only got them April 2006.
Old grips removed.
http://upload4.postimage.org/48680/DSC00817.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/48680/photo_hosting.html)http://upload4.postimage.org/48682/DSC00818.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/48682/photo_hosting.html)
Heated grips fitted, lovely and warm, though the right hand does get a bit hotter.
http://upload4.postimage.org/48709/DSC00834.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/48709/photo_hosting.html)http://upload4.postimage.org/48707/DSC00833.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/48707/photo_hosting.html)
i like the watch............think i will do that :wink:
the grips are hard to get on without glue :shock:
EDIT
DONE
How long do they take to get to full power?
How long do they take to get to full power?
With mine? Well, crank that dial (or push those stupidly awkward buttons in your case).
Keep your hands on the grips for as long as you can. You'll probably make it around 90 seconds before burning your hands if you don't have gloves on. With gloves? Maybe 1min 30.
The newer grips heat up pretty quickly, but I find it seems to take longer riding on the motorway than it does at a standstill, but once warmed, by jolly they get toasty!
You'll probably make it around 90 seconds before burning your hands if you don't have gloves on. With gloves? Maybe 1min 30.
The newer grips heat up pretty quickly, but I find it seems to take longer riding on the motorway than it does at a standstill, but once warmed, by jolly they get toasty!
Is this a joke?
northwind
04-01-07, 07:20 PM
Since I replaced my control box with a switch, mine are always at full power- I'd still have them hotter if I could...
Also, i owe Hovi5 a pound. See you at the AR? :)
Since I replaced my control box with a switch, mine are always at full power- I'd still have them hotter if I could...
Also, i owe Hovi5 a pound. See you at the AR? :)
woooooooo-hooooooooooooooo
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You'll probably make it around 90 seconds before burning your hands if you don't have gloves on. With gloves? Maybe 1min 30.
The newer grips heat up pretty quickly, but I find it seems to take longer riding on the motorway than it does at a standstill, but once warmed, by jolly they get toasty!
Is this a joke?
Nope, not at all. Mine are damn toasty!
In Northy's case, he wired straight from grips to power, which means they give 100% all the time they're on. I couldn't ride my bike if I did that, because they simply get too hot. So I wired in a 1M mini pot ;)
You'll probably make it around 90 seconds before burning your hands if you don't have gloves on. With gloves? Maybe 1min 30.
The newer grips heat up pretty quickly, but I find it seems to take longer riding on the motorway than it does at a standstill, but once warmed, by jolly they get toasty!
Is this a joke?
Nope, not at all. Mine are damn toasty!
In Northy's case, he wired straight from grips to power, which means they give 100% all the time they're on. I couldn't ride my bike if I did that, because they simply get too hot. So I wired in a 1M mini pot ;)
Baph, I think you missed the point of the question from Heed there ;-)
northwind
05-01-07, 10:43 AM
Hah, so did I :) Good catch :)
Perhaps you both missed my sarcastic sense of humour. But oh well, most folks do ;)
Perhaps you both missed my sarcastic sense of humour. But oh well, most folks do ;)
I have the same problem matey. Sarcasm doesn't translate desperately well to text... inflection's where it's at, baby.
How long do they take to get to full power?
With mine? Well, crank that dial (or push those stupidly awkward buttons in your case).
Keep your hands on the grips for as long as you can. You'll probably make it around 90 seconds before burning your hands if you don't have gloves on. With gloves? Maybe 1min 30.
The newer grips heat up pretty quickly, but I find it seems to take longer riding on the motorway than it does at a standstill, but once warmed, by jolly they get toasty!
just been out but only for 10 mins as it raining & i could not be bothered to get changed anyway after about 10 mins on full power (100%)with thin leather gloves i did not really notice i got a bit of warmth but that is all so when i got home i took off the gloves & they were just warm
is this right?
Since I replaced my control box with a switch, mine are always at full power- I'd still have them hotter if I could...
I too have mine wired to a switch. Full power Scotty.
How long do they take to get to full power?
With mine? Well, crank that dial (or push those stupidly awkward buttons in your case).
Keep your hands on the grips for as long as you can. You'll probably make it around 90 seconds before burning your hands if you don't have gloves on. With gloves? Maybe 1min 30.
The newer grips heat up pretty quickly, but I find it seems to take longer riding on the motorway than it does at a standstill, but once warmed, by jolly they get toasty!
just been out but only for 10 mins as it raining & i could not be bothered to get changed anyway after about 10 mins on full power (100%)with thin leather gloves i did not really notice i got a bit of warmth but that is all so when i got home i took off the gloves & they were just warm
is this right?
Doesn't sound right... I was out today and at minimum power I had toasty hands - at max they were too hot, even wearing two finger Pathans.
How long do they take to get to full power?
With mine? Well, crank that dial (or push those stupidly awkward buttons in your case).
Keep your hands on the grips for as long as you can. You'll probably make it around 90 seconds before burning your hands if you don't have gloves on. With gloves? Maybe 1min 30.
The newer grips heat up pretty quickly, but I find it seems to take longer riding on the motorway than it does at a standstill, but once warmed, by jolly they get toasty!
just been out but only for 10 mins as it raining & i could not be bothered to get changed anyway after about 10 mins on full power (100%)with thin leather gloves i did not really notice i got a bit of warmth but that is all so when i got home i took off the gloves & they were just warm
is this right?
Doesn't sound right... I was out today and at minimum power I had toasty hands - at max they were too hot, even wearing two finger Pathans.
:? so if yours are on full power can you hold them with out gloves?
Ok mine are Motrax but after less than 5 mins they are noticably warmer, not hot, but warm enough to notice. When I get a decent rise on the bike I'll know better.
Anyway..... You sure you've connected it up correctly?? 10 mins should feel something. when I wired Rich's (Cheekylemon on here) the other day it took about 6-7mins to start getting quite warm.
they get warm....but that is about it i would not say hot.
i did wire them to the battery.dont know if it would make a difference
i have the new model with......50%....60%..75% ....100% stages all with a differant colour light
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would the way they are wired up effect the heat?
mine are connected to the battery
would there be any difference if they were wired into the ignition?
I very much doubt it as 12V is 12V no matter where you get it from.
I very much doubt it as 12V is 12V no matter where you get it from.
thats what i thought :?
Hovi5, no, it doesn't sound right that at 100% they were only 'warm'.
If I set mine to 100% & try holding the bars without gloves on, I get some lovely red marks that need treatment under cold running water.
The power source won't be the problem, as was said, 12v is 12v is 12v.
The only known issues I can think about is that the older grips (pre mine) weren't designed to be used with aluminium (IIRC) bars, which is what the SV has (again, IIRC). Not sure on the metal used, but I know it aint a good conductor of heat. The newer (mine) grips were changed to counter this problem, due to a number of complaints apparently to Oxford. They MIGHT of (inadvertently, or purposefully) changed the grips back to the old design. I believe that folks like Nothy, who complain they don't get hot enough, have the older style grips.
About the only other place to look, is the controller. Take one of the connectors apart that goes from the controller to the grips, and stick a DMM across it. Test it for resistance, and it should be in obvious steps (like your controller is).
Are your grips genuine Oxford ones? If they are, give Oxford a call & talk to them about it. They're usually pretty damn good with any issues, and frequently send out replacement parts without you having to send yours in etc.
One word of warning though, watch where you park whilst the grips are wired to the battery. A favourite trick (esp of squaddies) is to turn your grips on when your bike is parked, and I wouldn't trust the low level detector ;)
Its simple... you put the control box on the right, and it needs to be on the left.
:lol:
Sometime I ride with mine on full power and they don't feel hot at all, and other times I find half way is too much. I think it just depends on the weather and wind chill on the day your using them, try it with out your gloves on... :D
Its simple... you put the control box on the right, and it needs to be on the left.
:lol: schoolboy error
Sometime I ride with mine on full power and they don't feel hot at all, and other times I find half way is too much. I think it just depends on the weather and wind chill on the day your using them, try it with out your gloves on... :D
after 20 mins of riding i can remove the gloves & hold the grips no probs :cry:
Its simple... you put the control box on the right, and it needs to be on the left.
:lol: schoolboy error
Sometime I ride with mine on full power and they don't feel hot at all, and other times I find half way is too much. I think it just depends on the weather and wind chill on the day your using them, try it with out your gloves on... :D
after 20 mins of riding i can remove the gloves & hold the grips no probs :cry:
Well that ain't right... mine get bloody hot.
just emailed the guy off ebay i got them from to ask advice & he is going to send me a new control box..........which is nice
so that would mean choping all the wires :?
if i remember rightly the male multipin connector going into the control box, can be plugged into one of the female connectors of the grips... so you can try each grip independently, by plugging the multipin connector into each grip. in turn... then, here comes the magic bit.
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i have just tried this and they are no better
perhaps the newer ones are crap??
or im being too fussy??
i have just tried this and they are no better
perhaps the newer ones are crap??
or im being too fussy??
Maybe they are... you need to find someone with a old set and compare them. Or stick a termomiter on them and see how hot they get and find someone else to do the same. Maybe on max from cold after 5 minutes and record the temp, make sure you take the current air temp for a comparison.
Might do it on mine later...
I have the newer ones also .
Although I have a different problem with mine I can say that they get really hot, they are earthed to the battery, wired to an ignition live in the fuse box ...... if thats any help! The throttle gets hotter then the other but hay ho (think thats cos the throttle is on plastic and the other directly on the metal)
Oh and the controller .................. has to be on the left :wink:
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