Hi and help

[ljharmitt]

Hi I'm new to this forum

I'm coming 17 this year and after I pass my test (hopefully soon) ill be looking for a bike.... I've been told by most that the SV is a good beginner and advanced bike so I thought it would be good for me for a few years or more.

I'm not looking to get it restricted but could you tell me the likeliness of getting caught. I'm 6'2, wear all the right gear i look older and I do drive sensibly.

How often do you get pulled by the police even when driving sensibly and do you get pulled more with a sports can?

Also if I do get it restricted is it worth it?

Thanks Ljharmitt :thumright:

[DarrenSV650S]

If your 17 then you've got to get it restricted to 33bhp for the first two years. The only way to avoid this is to wait until your 21 and sit your DAS (direct access scheme)
You can still have a legal sports can if you leave the baffles in
You might also get stopped for smaller number plates, dark visors etc
The SV is a great beginners bike, easy to ride and takes a lot of abuse

[21QUEST]

Hmm...you know what the legal/right thing to do is. Likely hood of getting caught doesn't matter IMO. Pot luck one could say.

You'll be the one in the bother if that happens so it's your decision to make as to whether it's worth the risk or not and really doesn't need any input from anyone IMO :thumright:


Ben


ps: May sound harsh, rude etc but some things are best kept private

[SV225]

Hi, I got my SV restricted a few weeks ago, its not brilliant to ride with the restrictor in so I might take it out soon,If you do ever get pulled over and have to produce your documents I was told you had to produce your certificate of restriction so its probably worth getting it resrcited jus 4 the paperwork even if you ride it straight home and derestict it.

[Dan]

Don't be stupid.


Feel free to ride unrestricted, but *if* you cause an accident, or it's your fault when you're involved in one, don't complain when you get banned for having no insurance.

[21QUEST]

Don't be stupid.


Feel free to ride unrestricted, but *if* you cause an accident, or it's your fault when you're involved in one, don't complain when you get banned for having no insurance.

Hucking Fell WRC. You've got a way with words :lol: :wink:



Ben

[Quiff Wichard]

hey if u gonna pass a restricted test due to age.

then ride unrestricted


just get a bike and dont bother with the test or insurance-- just buy a bike and off you go..

what?.. you wouldnt do that cos its not legal??



well - its the same dam thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


dont do it.!!

[DarrenSV650S]

Its not worth taking the restrictor out in my opinion. The top end speed is restricted to just over 100mph which is more than enough if your just learning. You will hardly notice the difference in the acceleration as the SV has a hell of a lot of grunt, even with the restrictor fitted. :)
The two years gives you time to become used to the power, especially if you've just come from a 125cc. I know a guy that rode a 50cc scooter for years then went for his DAS and got an unrestricted 600. He wasn't used to the power and spun the rear wheel :(
Plus you also get the added bonus of appreciating the extra power when the restrictor does come off :wink:

[ljharmitt]

So how much power does it actually reduce it to i know like 33bhp but say 0 - 60 how is that affected?

BTW im not saying it because im a speed freak i just like to say my bike can do this if my friends ask instead of my bike cant reach 60....

[SV225]

Don't know about the 0-60 time but the main trouble I have is that you have to ride within 3,500 rpm. Below 4,000 rpm theres not much power and once you get over 7,500 rpm it starts jumping around and splutterring, this is the old carbed version tho so th FI versions may be better.

[fat_brstd]

If you are 17 and you pass your full test you will do it on a 125, thats what i did when i was 17. 33bhp will feel considerably faster than the bike you will sit your test on. When i passed i got a 27bhp 250cc kwak and it felt quick compared to the bike i did my test on. It would happily do 90 though it wouldnt push past the 100 mark and i was more than happy with it for 4 years of use untill it blew up cause i was pushing it too hard.

If you change the ecu on a restricted bike and you get pulled by the cops then you will more than likely get away with it cause theres not many cop cars that carry portable dynos in them. However if you are in an accident and lets be blunt you are more likely than not to be in one then your insurance will be invalid if you have derestricted it. This will result in you getting a fine and being banned from ridding and you will have to take your test again when you have finished your ban. The insurance company will check even if its not your fault because it is there job to try to avoid having to pay out. You may as well not bother wasting the cash on insurance because if you do have to use it then you will get caught and you will be up **** creek with no paddel.

a 33bhp sv will still happilly woop a 2.0 golf gti (esp a mk 4) at the lights and should top a 100mph which is more than enough to thrash the crap out of your mates cars and then in 2 years you get to take it out and you can enjoy the extra power boost.

at the end of the day DO NOT TAKE THE RISK all thats going to happen is your gonna end up in a lot of **** and if you really want to go faster then i would say make sure you get the unrestricted ecu and use it on track days cause thats not against the rules but dont risk it on the roads cause your the one whoes going to end up screwed.

a mate of mine is currently serving a 2 year ban and had a massive fine after getting caught undertaking a copper doing 85 on an unrestricted er-5 in a 70 when he had told the insurance it was restricted. If he hadnt have unrestricted it would have 3 points and 60 quid. your choice.

[ljharmitt]

How much is it to restrict it?

Then say a few years after de-restrict it?

Is it cheap to de-restrict it?

[SV225]

Mine was £185 to restrict and after 2 yrs you can de-restrict it yourself free of charge!

[ljharmitt]

Mine was £185 to restrict and after 2 yrs you can de-restrict it yourself free of charge!

How? Is it easy?

[Paws]

hey hun, you took me advice from mcn ninjas and joined us then (yup im the same paws on there)
Dont be stupid hun, restrict it and keep the restrictors in until your 2 yr restrcition is up, i have waaayyyy more respect for people that dont act like idiots than those that do!
Its not big and its not clever and itd be nice too see a youngster sticking to the law for once (jeez im making myself sound old! lol)

[Paws]

Mine was £185 to restrict and after 2 yrs you can de-restrict it yourself free of charge!

How? Is it easy?

iirc, all youve gotto do is take off a couple of washers from certain bits, pretty easy.

[DarrenSV650S]

Don't know about the 0-60 time but the main trouble I have is that you have to ride within 3,500 rpm. Below 4,000 rpm theres not much power and once you get over 7,500 rpm it starts jumping around and splutterring, this is the old carbed version tho so th FI versions may be better. :shock: Sounds like theres something wrong with your bike if its doing that....
The restricted carbed SV's actually have a higher top end than restricted fuel injection SV's because it is not an electronic restriction, so its less accurate. This is even true for a restricted carbed 400

My restrictor was £110 and afterwards you just unplug it, and plug the original back in. It will cost more to restrict the carbed SV's because they have to be dyno'd to ensure they are 33bhp

[ljharmitt]

hey hun, you took me advice from mcn ninjas and joined us then (yup im the same paws on there)
Dont be stupid hun, restrict it and keep the restrictors in until your 2 yr restrcition is up, i have waaayyyy more respect for people that dont act like idiots than those that do!
Its not big and its not clever and itd be nice too see a youngster sticking to the law for once (jeez im making myself sound old! lol)

Reading what people have said it looks like im gonna have it restricted anyway, it seems the right thing to do and if im gonna get respect from other bikers ill do it.

Thanks ever1

[Paws]

[quote="ljharmitt"]

Then say a few years after de-restrict it?

quote]

Right what ya do is:
CBT, then your RESTRICTED ACCESS test, it means you can ride ANY bike BUT it MUST be restricted down to 33bhp,that lasts for 2yrs/or until your 21, whatever comes first, then once those 2 yrs are up-whip out the restrictors. :D

[fat_brstd]

How much is it to restrict it?

Then say a few years after de-restrict it?

Is it cheap to de-restrict it?

if you get a new one then you should be able to haggle it for nothing, if your getting a pointy with an injection engine then its just a case of gettin a new ecu which i would have thought wouldnt be too much, maybe 100-200 new or you could probably get one off someone who is deristricting theirs for a decent price. The only problem with restiction would be if you were trying to do it to a curvy cause its going to involve messing with the carbs and fueling and all sorts of stuff to do, i wouldnt bother with a curvy if i were you.

to derestrict the process is simple, all you do is take out the old ecu and plug in the unrestricted one, a simple 5 min job.i believe its located somewhere near the battery but dont take my word for it.

when i did my test 5years ago it was 2 years before you could ride derestricted and i dont believe it has changed so its not that bad.

You may be better off getting something a bit smaller thats not going to need restricting and then trading it in in a couple of years if you want a curvy. its all about budget.

there are a couple of people on here who ride restricted bikes and they still love em so dont get down harted about it as its still going to handel the same and thus be as much fun when its cranked over round a decent corner.

[Paws]

Reading what people have said it looks like im gonna have it restricted anyway, it seems the right thing to do and if im gonna get respect from other bikers ill do it.

Thanks ever1

It is the right thing to do mate, and trust me, other bikers WILL respect you for it,i know i will 8)

[DarrenSV650S]

you could probably get one off someone who is deristricting theirs for a decent price.
You can't do that. To get the restriction certificate for your insurance it must be a brand new restrictor fitted by a professional, who won't fit a second-hand one

[ljharmitt]

hey if u gonna pass a restricted test due to age.

then ride unrestricted


just get a bike and dont bother with the test or insurance-- just buy a bike and off you go..

what?.. you wouldnt do that cos its not legal??



well - its the same dam thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


dont do it.!!

BTW relax...... I'm just here for advice and have made up my mind if u cant see by my last post...

[SV225]

Don't know about the 0-60 time but the main trouble I have is that you have to ride within 3,500 rpm. Below 4,000 rpm theres not much power and once you get over 7,500 rpm it starts jumping around and splutterring, this is the old carbed version tho so th FI versions may be better. :shock: Sounds like theres something wrong with your bike if its doing that....
The restricted carbed SV's actually have a higher top end than restricted fuel injection SV's because it is not an electronic restriction, so its less accurate. This is even true for a restricted carbed 400

My restrictor was £110 and afterwards you just unplug it, and plug the original back in. It will cost more to restrict the carbed SV's because they have to be dyno'd to ensure they are 33bhp

I thought it may have been running wrong the other day http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=49648
Thought the carbs may be set up wrong or something loose, any ideas? I only have a top end of 90 so it sounds like something is definately wrong.

[fat_brstd]

you could probably get one off someone who is deristricting theirs for a decent price.
You can't do that. To get the restriction certificate for your insurance it must be a brand new restrictor fitted by a professional, who won't fit a second-hand one

fair play, ive never ridden a restricted bike but i just assumed it was a matter of getting the correct ecu fitted. On a side note could you get something like a powercomander and hook it up to your pc to restrict it, kinda the opposite of what people normally buy them for, but wouldnt an editable ecu be able to achieve the same effects as a restriction ecu? i doubt it would pass any certificates but its just an idea.

[squirrel_hunter]

My advice to you would be what many have said before stick with the restrictors in.

Coming from a 125 to a 650 is a hell of a jump. Myself I went from a 125 to a 400 restricted.

To be honest it was worth keeping the restrictors in. Sure you will be down on power on the straights but that will mean you can make up for it elsewhere. You will learn to maintain corner speed, know when to get on the power coming out of the corners and learn to break later than anyone else. You might also consider derstricting the 125 you have and sticking with that for a bit as insurance will be a killer; at 18 my CBR cost £1200 to insure, my TZR £650.

Just my thoughts, let us know your decision.

[ljharmitt]

For now my decision is get a 650 because most 400s have been thrashed so are unreliable, try and get a 650 thats already restricted so i dont have to go through the hassle and either get a bigger bike or get it de-restricted after the 2 years, depending on how i feel, how confident I am and money....

But if i change my mind ill tell you first and get you opinions but i doubt I will as "paws" says "It is the right thing to do mate, and trust me, other bikers WILL respect you for it,i know i will "

Which is what i want more than speed

[Warren]

[quote=ljharmitt]

Then say a few years after de-restrict it?

quote]

Right what ya do is:
CBT, then your RESTRICTED ACCESS test, it means you can ride ANY bike BUT it MUST be restricted down to 33bhp,that lasts for 2yrs/or until your 21, whatever comes first, then once those 2 yrs are up-whip out the restrictors. :D


if you pass your test before you are 21, then you must ride it restricted for 2 years, even after you are 21,

you can however sit another test once you are 21 to get your restriction removed, but it has to be on a bike over 33bhp if i recall correctly.

not that it applies to you,

and remember, if your gonna restrict a bike, the sv is one of the fastest restricted bikes, due to its low down grunt.

[gettin2dizzy]

after reading the responses here, i have to admit i really hope you take the atttitude to get it restricted. From what i know if you buy a curvey you get a washer in place, and if you get a pointy a dealer will restrict the ecu for £60 - which is obviously both reversible. I'd reccommend getting a restricted version simply for your own safety - it will be easily more powerful than you'd ever use; i'd reccomened a 125 for 2 years to be honest because it gives you a huge respect for the way motorcycles work which may sound very clinical but i promise you its for a reason. If you do however buy a restricted sv (and i really hope you get it restricted if you do!) you'll find that even restricted there will be no comprimise in road-legal performance and that you can still smoke cars.
but please take it easy - theres all the time in the world!

[Paws]

My advice to you would be what many have said before stick with the restrictors in.

Coming from a 125 to a 650 is a hell of a jump. Myself I went from a 125 to a 400 restricted.

To be honest it was worth keeping the restrictors in. Sure you will be down on power on the straights but that will mean you can make up for it elsewhere. You will learn to maintain corner speed, know when to get on the power coming out of the corners and learn to break later than anyone else. You might also consider derstricting the 125 you have and sticking with that for a bit as insurance will be a killer; at 18 my CBR cost £1200 to insure, my TZR £650.

Just my thoughts, let us know your decision.

I came from a rs 125 to the sv-noo probs :D and the insurance wsas cheaper??!!! :shock:

[Paws]

But if i change my mind ill tell you first and get you opinions but i doubt I will as "paws" says "It is the right thing to do mate, and trust me, other bikers WILL respect you for it,i know i will "

Which is what i want more than speed

Aww bless ya, good on ya mate :D .
Im only 22, i cant say im complety innocent on riding big bikes before i did my full licence BUT it was NEVER on the road, i live on a farm so got plenty of private land :D .
I work with a 17yr old lad whose just passed his test and has a cbr600rr, hes got restrictors in but is already on about taking them out :roll: -needless to say i havent got time for him.

[hovis]

as your insurance will be void, its not worth the risk, just wait until you can do the test

[SDMF]

For fitting the restrictor kit.. you can use a second hand one- and then take the bike to a dyno centre where they check that it's running at 33bhp. Then get the dyno results printed off and you can use that as proof for insurance and police.

The SV's not a bad bike restricted anyway- my restrictors came out about 3 months ago. Still managed 115mph with them in... Just gives you something to look forward to at the end of the 2years, when they come out and your power doubles.
And personally I wouldn't have ridden the full power bike straight away..so I was kinda glad to have the restrictors in. So I could get used to the riding a bike bigger than a 125.

At the end of the day though it's your choice.. And if anything happens it's you living with the consequences.

[Rich]

I got a new sv650 restricted and u got no worries its plenty of power to help u get used to a big bike, i scare myself with mine still. insurance is a bum im only on tpft and it cost me as much as a second hand bike (well not that much but compared to the golden oldies) :lol: .
As for not gettin it restricted i wudnt bother u'd end up killing ur self for sure, even sensible riders can have accidents, anyways good look with workin towards the bike..

Rich!!

[ejohnh]

hey hun,

Curvy dark yellow-full akara system,small arrow indicators,can hanger,solo seat, bellypan, hugger,fender extenda, braided brake lines,iridium db screen, renthal grips,undertray,yoke protector,gold mesh,gold valves,paw print stickers,glittery screen trim



Damn Pwsy, I wish I knew what all that ancilliary stuff meant!!

[01 sv650s]

i had to restrict mine. it i had 100 out of it on my way home from the garage then i took the restrictor out. i only took it out coz i had a dyno print out saying it was restricted if i ever got caught. a restricted sv650 would **** on my old full power aprilia tuono 125.

[Tim in Belgium]

You'll end up doing what you want to do, and you could say that I went to riding a bike from a little experience to a full power sv through DAS quickly, as a few others here probably have.

Although age doesn't mean better skills/knowledge/or nouse, it means we are likely to have made our mistakes before.

Personally I've had one moment that stuck in my mind, 3 days after passing my car test I rolled my beloved '74 VW beetle, which I had about £1800 of cash wrapped up in, ignoring the hard worked hours for my tpft insurance etc. And that was a vehicle with only 35hp, which could do 74 mph (flat out) or 68 mph in third! And 0-60 in about 20+ secs (slow even in '97!).

What I'm trying to say is when your young you often make mistakes in life with choices, I'm just happy mine was only at 40 mph, injured no one and just left me a little shaken, but with no working means of transport. I hope you ride brilliantly for the rest of your life and never crash, but if you make that wrong choice in the next year or so I can't help but think 33 hp will have a lesser outcome than 70 (ish)!

You'll still be flying compared to most people your age anyway!

The choice is yours ultimately.

[sinbad]

I reckon most 17 year olds would kill for a 33bhp motorbike. I did a DAS course, and the full power 650s scared the crap out of me at first, it still does a bit. I'm not saying you couldn't handle the full power, but I bet half is more than enough to have fun with.
Plus, after 2 years, you will feel like you have a totally new bike :)

[SDMF]

Your have more fun.. riding it harder, up around the higher revs. :twisted: When it's restriceted too!

[Paws]

hey hun,

Curvy dark yellow-full akara system,small arrow indicators,can hanger,solo seat, bellypan, hugger,fender extenda, braided brake lines,iridium db screen, renthal grips,undertray,yoke protector,gold mesh,gold valves,paw print stickers,glittery screen trim



Damn Pwsy, I wish I knew what all that ancilliary stuff meant!!

Huh????/ :?: :?

[Paws]

Now i went from a Aprilia rs 125 to my sv650s, shes full power, and the only other "big bikes" ive ridden are my zx9 (v briefly) and the training schools cb500.

[kcowgergmm]

i thought the united states laws sucked but that totally blow im 18 and i couldnt take the government restricting my bike it is a bull $&!* law

[Alpinestarhero]

Dont be an idiot my freind. Get it restricted. If its an SV, it'll still be quite quick (my bike is, the low down power and tourque make it an excellent machine to be restricted).

With 70bhp on tap, and a much heavier bike than what your used to, you could be visiting A&E much sooner than you anticipated.

Just restrict it, learn how to corner like a demon (im getting there!) and when the restrictors come off, you'll have no problem handling all the extra power.

Matt

[Jimmy2Feet]

right well i haven't got the time to read through everything that has been said already but want to say my bit so sorry if i am repeating anything that has already been said!!!

I am on a restricted license and my 99 curvy is still restricted (not for much longer tho i might add) and to be honest although i cant wait for it to be at full power there is no point going to full power straight off when in your situation, sv's are still more than quick enough when at 33bhp, i have gone out for rides with some of the south and west surfers from here and i have been the only restricted one and i have kept up fine, the only time you really notice it is on the straights, i round the corners especially the tight ones you will be able to keep up fine, and you will still be able to d**k all over most cars under 80ish,

but if you insist on going straight to full power just bare this in mind unless you are Court doing over 100mph, or get in such a bad crash that the bike is investigated who is ever going to know its not restricted, i would say get it restricted so you have the paper work, the take out the restricter sell it on ebay to get a bit of money back and just dont be silly!!!!

just remember ride safe my friend.....there is no reason to be silly!!!!!!

[GSXR Carlos]

It's been said before, and i'll say it again, get restricted, if you can buy a bike with the restrictors already fitted and a certificate to prove it you'll be laughing.

My sv will be sold with the restrictors as they're non transferable, so should in theory stay with the bike, no use to me anyway :lol:

[Warthog]

Sound advice from everyone on here. But just to make it ultra clear:

Say you have it derestricted, going normally round a bend, lowside, and your bike spins out and hits an oncoming Mercedes SLK, scratching it all down one side and smashing its doors and headlamps in. The first thing your insurers will check on your bike is that it was restricted to see if you were cornering too fast. They find its not, you have no insurance, suddenly you have a HUGE bill for the repair of a very expensive car. It is THAT easy and VERY possible.

Ride safe and good luck ;)

[Jimmy2Feet]

Sound advice from everyone on here. But just to make it ultra clear:

Say you have it derestricted, going normally round a bend, lowside, and your bike spins out and hits an oncoming Mercedes SLK, scratching it all down one side and smashing its doors and headlamps in. The first thing your insurers will check on your bike is that it was restricted to see if you were cornering too fast. They find its not, you have no insurance, suddenly you have a HUGE bill for the repair of a very expensive car. It is THAT easy and VERY possible.

Ride safe and good luck ;)

In that situation there is no way the insurers would check into in that much detail, if there was police involvement i.e it caused the merc to crash killing the driver then maybe yeah they would look into that much, but i think you would be safe on the hole, not saying its a good thing to do, i have keped mine in all the way through, and even tho i am legal to ride at full power now i am still restricted due to the weather, i would rather wait to have dry roads again b4 the first full power ride!!!

but boy oh boy how i cant wait!!!!!

[454697819]

Sound advice from everyone on here. But just to make it ultra clear:

Say you have it derestricted, going normally round a bend, lowside, and your bike spins out and hits an oncoming Mercedes SLK, scratching it all down one side and smashing its doors and headlamps in. The first thing your insurers will check on your bike is that it was restricted to see if you were cornering too fast. They find its not, you have no insurance, suddenly you have a HUGE bill for the repair of a very expensive car. It is THAT easy and VERY possible.

Ride safe and good luck ;)

In that situation there is no way the insurers would check into in that much detail, if there was police involvement i.e it caused the merc to crash killing the driver then maybe yeah they would look into that much, but i think you would be safe on the hole, not saying its a good thing to do, i have keped mine in all the way through, and even tho i am legal to ride at full power now i am still restricted due to the weather, i would rather wait to have dry roads again b4 the first full power ride!!!

but boy oh boy how i cant wait!!!!!

Whos to say they wouldn't?? if they can get out of a claim they will!

Its simple..

No restriction = No insurance
No restriction = No valid liscence

Getting caught = Driving Ban and Hiked insurance.

Thats only if you got caught, the other implications should you have a prang and get caught are unthinkable..

Good to see you have made the right choice.

been there done that & meant i could sleep at night
:D

[Luckypants]

Doing anything that invalidates your insurance is wrong. If you have an accident that cripples someone and you have no insurance, who is going to pay for the care of the person crippled?

If you are only licenced for a restricted bike, get a restricted bike and live with it. Everyone I know on a restricted bike is happy with it.