Ebay mishap

[furrybean]

Okay I was bidding on some leathers and on the last few seconds I bidded £1454 instead of £154. Now I've won the auction for £300 which is way over what I wanted to pay. I've emailed the seller but I'm guessing its negative feedback for me now!

Ah well :roll:

[Stu]

You might be OK if you're quick to tell the seller and he gets a second chance offer out quickly. Seller could be happy that he could get £310 from the under bidder instead of £150 (one bid over your intended. (you could try sending him a copy of your ebay showing you bid £1454 which was clearly not an intentional bid.

Good Luck Ducati

[DarrenSV650S]

Ouch unlucky
Yep either that or get yourself a very expensive set of leathers :lol:

[furrybean]

Hmmmm, I aint going to buy a second hand set of leathers for £300!!! Negative feedback or not

[on yer bike]

he may ask 4 the ebay fee's to be paid by yourself, a couple of quid, that's what i tend 2 do when this happens.. bad luck though m8

[K]

I think you have the right to withdraw your offer on the grounds of an (fairly obvious in this case) error when submitting.

Contact the seller first explaining the situation and let them get a 2nd chance offer out to the next bidder. Then check on your 'My eBay' there should be something about withdrawing a bid - or it may be something the seller has to do.

Basically you say you are not going to complete the transaction, the seller claims the fees back from eBay (he then gets charged fees on any acceptance of the 2nd Chance value so they're not out of pocket) and you do still get the chance to leave feedback for each other.

OK, so you may get negative - but no everyone out there in eBay land is a git and out to screw you over. :wink:
Likewise you may get a 'Withdrawn Bid' or 'None Payer' mark against you - but in the grand scheme of things it's an easily made mistake that is most likely to amount to little in the long run. I guess it depends how serious you are about eBay and using it.

[Viper]

#-o #-o
oops. Good luck trying to sort it out

[Blue_SV650S]

More importantly who (genuinely) bid £290 for a set of 2nd hand leathers!!! :shock: What were they??

[furrybean]

The next highest bidder to me was £150 so ebay must have gone up to the reserve price of £300 for some reason. He's just emailed me saying if I pay the £5.51 listing fee he won't give me negative.

Surely if he processes it as a non-paying bidder ebay refunds him anyway and he doesnt need to leave feedback.

[Viney]

The next highest bidder to me was £150 so ebay must have gone up to the reserve price of £300 for some reason. He's just emailed me saying if I pay the £5.51 listing fee he won't give me negative.

Surely if he processes it as a non-paying bidder ebay refunds him anyway and he doesnt need to leave feedback.Id fire off an email to ebay. The reserve will only go up by what ever incremental its going at to a minimym of 10p. iirc.

Is hes saying that its gone to £300, and the closest was 150, someone is telling porkies.

[furrybean]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200064720854&sspagename=ADME:L:AAQ:UK:1

See for yourself. The bid has jumped by £150!!!

[furrybean]

http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=200064720854

[Jdubya]

It could be that he had set his maximum bid to £299 and when you entered the £1454 bid you automatically outbid him on his maximum bid...
In which case the seller only stands to lose out on £1 if he can convince the other bloke(bidder 3) to go to his maximum.

[furrybean]

http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=200064720854

You can see from this though that the only bid nearest to mine was £150

[Viney]

Somethings not right there. I see what you are saying, but also waht JDubya says may be true

Only actual bids (not automatic bids generated up to a bidder's maximum) are shown. Automatic bids may be placed days or hours before a listing ends. Learn more about bidding.

[furrybean]

Just emailed ebay with this..

I accidentally entered a bid that was intended to be £154 but I entered £1545. The next highest bid was £150 and so instead of bidding in the £5 increments I expected, the auction finished at £300 which is far far more than I originally wanted to pay. I appreciate that I made a mistake but why did the auction take such a large incremental jump.
Now the seller is contacting me as a non-paying bidder but I only have the funds to pay for the intended bid of £154 or £155 as the ebay bidding system should have bidded on my behalf.
Where do I stand on this issue as I have had much joy in using ebay both buying and selling and hope this issue doesn't escalate.
Regards...

[Baph]

It could also be that there was a reserve on them for £300. Meaning that unless £300 was bid, the sale would be canceled.

Then the mistake bid came, way above the reserve, so automatic bidding kicked in, and set the current bid to £310 (assuming an increment of £10), because this was the first value AFTER the reserve amount. Automatic bidding did it's job well, it stayed below the max given, and did what it could to ensure a winning bid.

The mistake bid was your maximum bid, however, no-one beat £310 in time for the auction to end, so automatic bidding left it as it was.

If the seller cancels the auction (and doesn't declare a non-paying bidder), they loose fees and may re-list. If they declare a non-paying bidder, your account get's a mark against it, and they get refunded their fees (unless they go for a 2nd offer, in which case they pay fees based on that amount).

HTH

[furrybean]

If they go to the second offer would the ebay fees reduce because it was half the value? He want £5.51 out of me but surely if I hadnt of bid then the leathers wouldnt have been sold and he would have to pay the same amount anyway?

[james160987]

just pay the man the fiver, ive done it befor and people have done it to me, he will get a final value fee whacked onto him aswell which is a set % of sale price,

he's happy, youve paid for your mistake and no mark is left on youe feedback or ebay record

[furrybean]

I should really just pay him. There is no guarantee that he wont still leave **** feedback though

[netsurfer]

He wont get the final value fee applied to his charges if he lodges a non paying bidder report with ebay. Both parties still get to leave feedback and noone gets a (visible anyway) mark against them. (make sure he selects "both parties agree not to continue with transaction" or something to that effect)

Unless you intend doing this regularly, even if you have a non paying bidder mark on your account for ebay to see - it wont affect your account now, or in the future and will not appear on your feedback.

Pete

[furrybean]

So people cannot see that I have a non paying bidder mark on the account? Or I might just give him the cash

[Stu]

Viney and Jdubya are wrong and Baph is very nearly right.
There's nothing funny going on, just that he set a £300 reserve, which your bid reached - you don't need to exceed a reserve so £310 is not relevant (My reference to it and Ducati in my first post was because your description looked like a different auction before you posted the link).

There is no justification for you paying his listing fees - the seller had to pay them with or without you.
There is no justification for you paying his final value fees - the seller can get a refund if he sends you a "Mutually agree not to continue" form.

IMHO I would never pay £5 to avoid negative feedback. Other sellers can restrict bidders automatically if they have a certain number (that they set) of non payment strikes, but that's unusual.

I would offer him the £154 and just hope he doesn't give negative feedback, you can always give him negative feedback for being unreasonable if he does.

[furrybean]

Cheers Stu, I've been relaying emails to him over the last few days. Thats the point I was trying to make to him just a few minutes ago. If my bid wasnt placed it wouldnt have met reserve and so he would still have to pay his listing cost.

Cheers for all the input!

[21QUEST]

There is no justification for you paying his listing fees - the seller had to pay them with or without you.
I see what you say and I would say even if in this case it's a bit different but say it's just someone who has decided he/she does want an item after winning an auction?

There is no justification for you paying his final value fees - the seller can get a refund if he sends you a "Mutually agree not to continue" form.
True but he still only gets his his listing fee if the item sells second time around. Now you could argue that theseller is maybe being a bit difficult but and there is still a "but" (IMO) about that.


I would offer him the £154 and just hope he doesn't give negative feedback, you can always give him negative feedback for being unreasonable if he does.
A bit moot that(offering £154) isn't it if reserve was set at £300 :?



If it were me this(quote below)is more than likely what I would have done and I've done once before and actually gave the fellow a bit for a drink. ......but then I'm a funny fecker like that :wink: .

just pay the man the fiver, ive done it befor and people have done it to me, he will get a final value fee whacked onto him aswell which is a set % of sale price,

he's happy, youve paid for your mistake and no mark is left on youe feedback or ebay record




Ben

[netsurfer]

So people cannot see that I have a non paying bidder mark on the account?

Exactly!

Pete

[Blue_SV650S]

the guy is being amicable, pay up the listing fee (regardless if he will get it back, you have essentially 'messed him around' a bit and you have to make his being amicable worthwhile) and chalk it up to experience! Lets face it you will never do it again!! ;)

[fat_brstd]

just give the guy the fiver you tight git. you messed up and its better to pay out for a couple of pints than loose the 300. let him leave the feedback first and then you will be to return the favour if he screws you.

[Stu]

21quest and others wrote stuff If you want to give him a fiver, that's up to you. If I was in your position, I'm afraid I wouldn't.

The way I see it is the only guaranteed sale on ebay is Buy It Now with immediate payment required, otherwise seller beware, just as the buyer needs to be aware as well.

I guess it goes back to my dislike of reserve fees. If the guy had started the listing at £300 he wouldn't have wasted your and everyone else's time in the first place :evil:

[21QUEST]

21quest and others wrote stuff If you want to give him a fiver, that's up to you. If I was in your position, I'm afraid I wouldn't.

The way I see it is the only guaranteed sale on ebay is Buy It Now with immediate payment required, otherwise seller beware, just as the buyer needs to be aware as well.

I guess it goes back to my dislike of reserve fees. If the guy had started the listing at £300 he wouldn't have wasted your and everyone else's time in the first place :evil:

How's that the only guaranteed sale? The listing could still run to the end without the person who bought it using "Buy It Now with immediate payment required" still not having paid for it :? :) :wink:

IMO a reserve listing doesn't waste a anyones time IMO. It's quite clear how it works and all bidders know that from the off. I can't see how that is a problem :wink:


Ben

[Stu]

Agreed, I mean only guaranteed that you will get paid once you make a sale.
Reserves - just not my thing I guess.

[furrybean]

Well we've agreed to mutually withdraw the transaction so its now closed. I know it seems tight but I wasnt going to pay for his whole listing fee yadda yadda...

Anyways the matter is now closed, cheers for the advise.