hung, drawn, and quartered

[PsychoCannon]

Ok I got into a discussion during a Go game about someone I said should be hung, drawn and quartered.

They (American) corrected me that it should be Hanged Drawn and quartered.

Now I'll be danged if I'm going to have my English, crap as it is, corrected by Yanks lol :)
Yet when I looked it up I can't find any reference to it and it keeps coming up as "Hanged Drawn and Quartered" with the exception of Wikipedia which I loath to put forward as my only source.

Am I going insane or is hung, drawn, and quartered valid? I'm sure thats the phrase I grew up with in History and documentaries...

[Ed]

The American is right. Past tense of 'hang' as in a person is 'hanged', past tense of 'hang' as in an item is 'hung'.

Go eat humble pie mister :lol:

[Samnooshka]

i'm afraid the americans may be right... as much as it pains me to say it .... correct meaning (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/189300.html)

It is a specific exception for hanging someone as opposed to hanging a picture

he hung a picture
he hanged himself

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hang

hth sammy [/i]

[Filipe M.]

Guys, since we're on the subject :lol:

What is the correct expression for this?

"John Doe, in the service of Her Highness "

or

"John Doe, at the service of Her Highness".

Both sound funny to my ears, my friend says it's the former, I don't know what to say :? Opinions please! :?

[tinpants]

Guys, since we're on the subject :lol:

What is the correct expression for this?

"John Doe, in the service of Her Highness "

or

"John Doe, at the service of Her Highness".

Both sound funny to my ears, my friend says it's the former, I don't know what to say :? Opinions please! :?

I think it goes something like this.

If you are a member of staff of the Royal Household then it is the former. The same applies to Officers of HM Forces that hold the Queen's Commission.

For everyone else, its the latter, but only if you are being "presented" to the Queen.

I think :? :roll:

[Filipe M.]

Merci beaucoup! :lol:

[Ed]

Filipe - or is it Filly Pie - we're not servile here any more :D

[Filipe M.]

Filipe - or is it Filly Pie - we're not servile here any more :D

I've also been called Philly Pie... :roll: :lol:

[northwind]

People are hanged, dead meat is hung. So first you get hanged, then you get hung. But "hung, drawn and quartered" would be acceptable as it's a specific term in traditional use- I forget the name for it but specifics overrule generalities. There's some latin you can use to justify it :)

[the white rabbit]

So is one 'well hung', or 'well hanged', then? :P

[northwind]

One? One is neither :)

[skint]

So is one 'well hung', or 'well hanged', then? :P

Interesting side comment because in fact originally men were castrated in the process :smt103 , but that was stopped later. The process of hanging was the first part of the ritual but they weren't killed by this they just lost consciousness then brought round. Then they were stripped naked and tied to a frame, which was then drawn by horse (I assume) to the place of quartering when they were diembowelled and pulled apart. nice

Women were burned at the stake instead of the hanged, drawn and quartered ritual simply because it wasn't the done thing to parade them naked. :shock:

See, even then, woman got the soft option :-dd

Thought I would share that with you as I think about what to cook for dinner - can't face roast chicken :smt118

[philipMac]

I was lead to believe that the "drawn" part wasn't the horse drawing you to your place of disembowelment, rather it was the pulling apart of your body. Like the pulling your arms / legs etc out of their sockets was being drawn.

Can you imagine the suffering? Bloody hell.

Although, they say burning is an excruciating way to die too.

Oh yeah, and its definitely Hanged.

[tinpants]

People are hanged, dead meat is hung. So first you get hanged, then you get hung. But "hung, drawn and quartered" would be acceptable as it's a specific term in traditional use- I forget the name for it but specifics overrule generalities. There's some latin you can use to justify it :)

I think its called "semantics" :lol: :D

[northwind]

I think its called "semantics" :lol: :D

Well, by definition it would be :)

IIRC the drawn was, like PhilipMac (keen student of medieval torture I see) says, being physically drawn apart- though not to bits, you understand, just enough to rip ligaments, seperate joints, and generally spoil your running career.

[Ward8124]

Screw the yanks!!! its our language and if we say its Hung drawn and quatered then its correct. BTW i have seen a few text books saying Hung Drawn and quarterd as its the name of a process in its entireity so me thinks this is correct. :wink:

[weazelz]

take this, stupid yanks:

clicky (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grammar-Cookbook-Bite-sized-Grammatical-Know-how/dp/0954610504)

[Samnooshka]

i think the drawn doesn't refer to the being drawn by horse naked... i think, it's the opening of the stomach from the navel to the neck and the guts are spewed out... the quartering is being chopped up (usually dead by this part). But they aimed to keep the subject alive long enough to experience the pain and suffering longer.