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Razor
21-01-07, 06:07 PM
I have a date next weekend and I need to lose a stone, any ideas?

Kinvig
21-01-07, 06:17 PM
Food poisoning?

Alternatively, try going for a few runs & do a few sit ups. A stone's going to be nigh-on impossible to lose but you may be able to tone up a bit.

I have to ask - what will you be wearing?! Oh, and this thread will probablybe worthless without photos...! ;o)

chazzyb
21-01-07, 06:24 PM
I have a date next weekend and I need to lose a stone, any ideas?

I *don't* have date next week-end and I need to lose somewhat more than a stone... :shock:

chunkytfg
21-01-07, 06:50 PM
A general rule i heard was that a pound in weight lost is a defecit of 3500 calories. roughly....so to lose a stone you need to use up 52,000 calories more than you consume. this is either through exercise or eating less. beware though if you cut down on too much food your body actually will shut down to the point where it doesnt burn the food you eat it just stores it making things counterproductive.


I currently losing wight and have managed a little over a stone since new year. got quite a bit to go mind

Biker Biggles
21-01-07, 07:28 PM
Amphetamine Sulphate.
Not at all good for you though. :shock:

Alpinestarhero
21-01-07, 07:33 PM
Loosing a stone in a week could be very dangerous; i cant think of a safe way to use those 52,000 calories (quote: chunkytfg).

I say dont try and loose the weight, but dress apropriatly! Everyone looks good if they dress well and smile

:)

Matt

hovis
21-01-07, 07:35 PM
Loosing a stone in a week could be very dangerous; i cant think of a safe way to use those 52,000 calories (quote: chunkytfg).

I say dont try and loose the weight, but dress apropriatly! Everyone looks good if they dress well and smile

:)

Matt

but dont go for the alpinestars look the carbord box wont suit you :lol:

lukemillar
21-01-07, 09:01 PM
Chop off a body part! (you know what I'm talking about :wink:)

Kinvig
21-01-07, 09:17 PM
Chop off a body part! (you know what I'm talking about :wink:)

Imagine the size of that body part to make up an entire stone!!!!

Stingo
21-01-07, 09:20 PM
The missus and I went on the 'cabbage soup diet for a week - she lost three pounds, I lost a stone!! :lol: You can flavour the soup quite cunningly...but it's hard work. The recipe etc might be on google I guess...

BILLY
21-01-07, 09:25 PM
Every time you have finished a meal go to toilet and stick your fingers down your throat or OD on laxatives :lol:

skint
21-01-07, 09:42 PM
I have a date next weekend and I need to lose a stone, any ideas?

you can't do it healthily. rapid diets will be totally ineffective longterm. In the short term you will most likely suffer bad breath (might be an issue?) light headedness, shortness of energy or possibly something worse. It ain't worth it kiddo!

But unlike the 'putting on weight' thread, I shall say no more than that, except good luck with the date! :lol:

Hovi5 - come on, you must have a miracle in yer loaf? :roll:

hovis
21-01-07, 09:44 PM
I have a date next weekend and I need to lose a stone, any ideas?

you can't do it healthily. rapid diets will be totally ineffective longterm. In the short term you will most likely suffer bad breath (might be an issue?) light headedness, shortness of energy or possibly something worse. It ain't worth it kiddo!

But unlike the 'putting on weight' thread, I shall say no more than that, except good luck with the date! :lol:

Hovi5 - come on, you must have a miracle in yer loaf? :roll:

well......i have lost 8 stone :wink: was just under 20 stone 48 inch waist got down to 12 back up to just under 13 :oops: but will be back to 12 stone soon (just bought 34 inch waist leathers )

skint
21-01-07, 09:47 PM
I have a date next weekend and I need to lose a stone, any ideas?

you can't do it healthily. rapid diets will be totally ineffective longterm. In the short term you will most likely suffer bad breath (might be an issue?) light headedness, shortness of energy or possibly something worse. It ain't worth it kiddo!

But unlike the 'putting on weight' thread, I shall say no more than that, except good luck with the date! :lol:

Hovi5 - come on, you must have a miracle in yer loaf? :roll:

well......i have lost 8 stone :wink:

and the side effect was... ? :lol:

northwind
21-01-07, 09:59 PM
If I lost 8 stone I'd fall through the cracks in the floorboards :shock:

CoolGirl
21-01-07, 10:13 PM
I lost well over a stone when I had my jaw wired up for a month after I had my big off. And the trippy painkillers probably helped as well.

Mind you, constantly throwing up when your teeth are clamped together isn't any fun :(

Heed
21-01-07, 10:38 PM
I lost just over a stone in 4 months last year. Not that impressive I hear. I drank every night for those 4 months. I was stuck down the Falkland Islands up a mountain with nothing to do but go to the gym and drink. It seems the gym outdid the beer. Happy days. A stone in a week ins;t healthy though. I heard the cabbage soup diet just makes you lose water instead of fat. Not sure how true that is.

Dave The Rave
22-01-07, 08:29 AM
A general rule i heard was that a pound in weight lost is a defecit of 3500 calories. roughly....so to lose a stone you need to use up 52,000 calories more than you consume. this is either through exercise or eating less. beware though if you cut down on too much food your body actually will shut down to the point where it doesnt burn the food you eat it just stores it making things counterproductive.


I currently losing wight and have managed a little over a stone since new year. got quite a bit to go mind

true ... 52,000 calories is just a tad short of two full marathons. :shock:

You'd better set off now!

Razor
22-01-07, 09:29 AM
I bought 3 tins of slim fast powder and some skimmed milk. I'll use that to replace breakfast, instead of my usual McD's bacon and egg McMuffin.

Bear
22-01-07, 09:35 AM
true ... 52,000 calories is just a tad short of two full marathons. :shock:


That's alright, it's only two choccy bars, and I believe they're called snickers now...

Oh, right.

I see what you mean...

Ping
22-01-07, 10:30 AM
I lost well over a stone when I had my jaw wired up for a month after I had my big off. And the trippy painkillers probably helped as well.

Mind you, constantly throwing up when your teeth are clamped together isn't any fun :(
That took me SO aback I tried signing in as "noooooooooooo" after I clicked to reply to your post... :lol:

I can't think of anything worse to have to go through (at this particular point in time). You poor thing... :?
That must've really really really really really really REALLY been horrible...

Bear
22-01-07, 10:50 AM
I lost well over a stone when I had my jaw wired up for a month after I had my big off. And the trippy painkillers probably helped as well.

Mind you, constantly throwing up when your teeth are clamped together isn't any fun :(
That took me SO aback I tried signing in as "noooooooooooo" after I clicked to reply to your post... :lol:

I can't think of anything worse to have to go through (at this particular point in time). You poor thing... :?
That must've really really really really really really REALLY been horrible...

Closest I've come to that is throwing up in a full face lid from food poisoning coming down the M1.

NOT pleasant!

As far as losing weight, your best bet is to exercise regularly for the next week and cut down the calories sensibly. You WILL NOT lose a stone in a week, but stay off the scales and concentrate on how you look and feel. That's what you really want to change, right? Getting on the scales is deceptive and depressing. If you're exercising, muscle weighs more than fat, so you can be burning fat and the scales still say that you're putting on weight. If you're anything like me, that'll have you running for the cakes and chocolate faster than anything!

Good luck!

Razor
22-01-07, 11:20 AM
If you're anything like me, that'll have you running for the cakes and chocolate faster than anything!


I just ate a whole big bag of peanut M&M's. The idea made me feel better but the consumption made me feel worse :(
I think I can feel myself getting fatter...

timwilky
22-01-07, 11:27 AM
Well the wife and I are arranging our first visit ie joint to fat fighters tonight. Looking forward to tangling with Marjorie Dawes http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/images/396x222/marjorie_dawes.jpg

My next door neighbour has lost 3 stone and his wife 4. So I have now got the incentive to loose some belly

Razor
22-01-07, 11:57 AM
I love a bit of cake I do...

Alpinestarhero
22-01-07, 12:03 PM
Loosing a stone in a week could be very dangerous; i cant think of a safe way to use those 52,000 calories (quote: chunkytfg).

I say dont try and loose the weight, but dress apropriatly! Everyone looks good if they dress well and smile

:)

Matt

but dont go for the alpinestars look the carbord box wont suit you :lol:

Its a fashion both me and mygirlfriend have tried:


http://upload5.postimage.org/316455/IMAG0016.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/316455/photo_hosting.html)

:lol:

Matt

Filipe M.
22-01-07, 12:35 PM
Its a fashion both me and mygirlfriend have tried:


Matt

Do yourself a favour, get rid of the Marshall and buy a decent amp! :lol:

Sid Squid
22-01-07, 12:46 PM
If I lost 8 stone I'd fall through the cracks in the floorboards :shock:

If you lost eight stones, you'd have negative weight... or would that be lift?

hovis
22-01-07, 12:46 PM
well......i have lost 8 stone :wink: was just under 20 stone 48 inch waist got down to 12 back up to just under 13 :oops: but will be back to 12 stone soon (just bought 34 inch waist leathers )

just jumped on the scales 12 & a half stone

wooooo-hoooo :roll:

Razor
22-01-07, 12:47 PM
If I lost 8 stone I'd fall through the cracks in the floorboards :shock:

If you lost eight stones, you'd have negative weight... or would that be lift?

From the pics I've seen of Northy, if he lost 8 stone he'd fall through the crack in his own ****.

Ping
22-01-07, 12:55 PM
If I lost 8 stone I'd fall through the cracks in the floorboards :shock:

If you lost eight stones, you'd have negative weight... or would that be lift?

From the pics I've seen of Northy, if he lost 8 stone he'd fall through the crack in his own @rse.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote of the day. :lol:

Jools'SV Now
22-01-07, 01:14 PM
want to lose weight?

as has prob been said, you need to use up more calories than you eat.

But a small change over a long period of time will make a huge difference.

jools's 7 tips to weight loss

tip1
Change a daily habit
e.g a client of mine lost 3 stone by switching from the normal ribena carton drink to the no added sugar version.
he drank 6 a day, the calorie difference was 800 a day! = 5600 a week or 1.6lbs a week, just by changing the type of drink.

I picked up an Orangina yesterday = 220 calories. Bearing in mind that avg intake should be about 2500 (avg bloke) that's nearly 10% of your daily food....in 1 drink :shock:

tip 2
Don't deny yourself
rather than cutting out a type of food altogether (apart from crisps and choccy = completely wasted calories) just have smaller portions. Have a pint not 6. have a glass of wine, not a bottle.

tip 3
add your own extras.
eg tuna mayo from the sarny shop=how much mayo?? :shock: . ask for dry tuna and add a bit of mayo yourself - that way you know how much there is and you are in control of it.
same applies to salad dressings

tip 4
eat plenty of fruit and veg - boring, but good for you.

tip 5
remove temptation - don't buy it
if it's not in the cupboard/fridge you can't eat it. so don't buy all that crap at the supermarket in the first place. hence removing the temptation of having those 6 biscuits with you tea.
your an adult you know what's good for you and whats bad, don't eat it.

tip 6
view food as fuel, not entertainment or comfort.
would you poor chocolate in your bikes fuel tank cos it tastes nice? no, because it does it no good and would make it run badly. Guess what? chocolate does you no good and makes you run badly too! (no i'm not saying drink petrol)
ok, we're bikers, we know what our bikes need and we look after them. ie petrol, oil, chain lube, servicing, tyres, lights etc etc
what does your body need? protein, carbs, vitamins, fats, minerals, water.

tip 7
Cook your food.
no really, buy the ingredients and cook them. Don't use the jar sauces, ready meals and all that over processed crap. Cook it.
How difficult is it to make pasta sauce?, err tomato, basil, olives. how tricky was that?
look on the jar of pasta sauce....what is all that ****?

Above all take control of what you eat.

You have the ability to choose.

Use it.

PS 37 yrs old, 6ft and 12st 2lbs.
Got up to 13st 10lbs 2yrs ago - lost the 22lbs in 6 months and kept it off.
Now run twice a week to maintain it. Mrs wants me to join her running club - we'll see :roll:

Blue_SV650S
22-01-07, 01:16 PM
I have a date next weekend and I need to lose a stone, any ideas?

How 'big' are you to start with?!?! To loose 1st in a week when you are 30st will be very easy ... to loose 1st when you are 10st would be hard - if not impossible and probably very dangerous ... :?

Marshall
22-01-07, 02:17 PM
I'm on a low carb diet at the mo, started 3 weeks ago. i lost 13lb in the first week, and have now lost 23lb over the 3 weeks, you have to limit your carb intake to about 20g a day, so no booze, no bread, no potatoes, no pasta no rice, and no suger or chocolate either. meat and salad all the way!! the first week you can feel a little dodgy, but i feel great now, loads more energy and generally feel a lot more positive.

now a lot of people will tell you the low carb / atkins type diet arnt good for you, it just depends how your body takes to it, it doesn't suit everybody.

but its your best chance in a week

hovis
22-01-07, 03:27 PM
Loosing a stone in a week could be very dangerous; i cant think of a safe way to use those 52,000 calories (quote: chunkytfg).

I say dont try and loose the weight, but dress apropriatly! Everyone looks good if they dress well and smile

:)

Matt

but dont go for the alpinestars look the carbord box wont suit you :lol:

Its a fashion both me and mygirlfriend have tried:


http://upload5.postimage.org/316455/IMAG0016.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/316455/photo_hosting.html)

:lol:

Matt

mrs alpinestarhero looks very smilier to you..............its not your sister is it :shock:

Grinch
22-01-07, 03:27 PM
I loose a couple of pounds every day... not saying how.

Filipe M.
22-01-07, 03:28 PM
I loose a couple of pounds every day... not saying how.

Me too, but I seem to get them back no matter what I do!

Razor
22-01-07, 03:32 PM
I'm on a low carb diet at the mo, started 3 weeks ago. i lost 13lb in the first week, and have now lost 23lb over the 3 weeks, you have to limit your carb intake to about 20g a day, so no booze, no bread, no potatoes, no pasta no rice, and no suger or chocolate either. meat and salad all the way!! the first week you can feel a little dodgy, but i feel great now, loads more energy and generally feel a lot more positive.



Don't you get bunged up and unable to evacuate?

weazelz
22-01-07, 05:57 PM
Dust. Anybody? No? High in fat, low in fat? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. It's actually very low in fat. You can have as much dust as you like

philipMac
22-01-07, 06:19 PM
Closest I've come to that is throwing up in a full face lid from food poisoning coming down the M1.


I threw up about 20 meters down on a dive. I am not sure if I puked into my reg, or got the reg out of my mouth in time. I would imagine the reg took the brunt though.
I know there was puke, and plenty of it. (I was unclear about a number of things on that dive, mainly due to the fact that my tank had a bad fill, and my legs and hands stopped working properly, and I sort of went unconscious and had to be dragged mumble mumble mumble).

Anyway. I lost weight. That was main thing. I badly needed to too, being 6 foot tall, and less than 70kilos. :roll:

philipMac
22-01-07, 06:59 PM
I'm on a low carb diet at the mo, started 3 weeks ago. i lost 13lb in the first week, and have now lost 23lb over the 3 weeks, you have to limit your carb intake to about 20g a day, so no booze, no bread, no potatoes, no pasta no rice, and no suger or chocolate either. meat and salad all the way!! the first week you can feel a little dodgy, but i feel great now, loads more energy and generally feel a lot more positive.

now a lot of people will tell you the low carb / atkins type diet arnt good for you, it just depends how your body takes to it, it doesn't suit everybody.

but its your best chance in a week

(Those diets are phenomenally bad for you. You are effectively starving yourself, and forcing your body to consume itself to survive. This places huge strain on a number of organs, not least the liver and kidneys.
Do you (or your friends) notice a funny smell on your breath? That's a symptom of starving, this is why surgeons will lean over you and smell your breath before you get put under. They want to make sure the body is safe(er) for GA.

Caddy2000
22-01-07, 07:12 PM
Okay, what is classed as 'A good weight'
And is it as simple as that?
Personally I think that I need to loose weight (at which point those who know me will hit me), but at 6'3" tall, 34" waist and 13st 7lb, I'm probably right for my height and build. Society does put pressure on us all to be a perfect shape. should we not look at our health rather than our weight?



This is getting far too deep for me................

Kinvig
22-01-07, 07:31 PM
Okay, what is classed as 'A good weight'
6'3" tall, 34" waist and 13st 7lb



Spot on. For 6ft 3 you should be between 12 & half stone & just shy of 14st....unless you're a girl? Then you're a tad fat!

Caddy2000
22-01-07, 07:32 PM
Okay, what is classed as 'A good weight'
6'3" tall, 34" waist and 13st 7lb



Spot on. For 6ft 3 you should be between 12 & half stone & just shy of 14st....unless you're a girl? Then you're a tad fat!

Gruff grumble fart scratch

Razor
22-01-07, 07:37 PM
Well I made a start. I took all of the clothes off the cross trainer and moved it into the lounge. Now I need a sit down and a chocy biscuit...

Kinvig
22-01-07, 08:02 PM
Well I made a start. I took all of the clothes off the cross trainer and moved it into the lounge. Now I need a sit down and a chocy biscuit...

Yeah - don't overdo it on the first day - build up to it.

A cross trainer for a cross.....!!!!


How appropriate ;o)

Alpinestarhero
22-01-07, 08:26 PM
Its a fashion both me and mygirlfriend have tried:


Matt

Do yourself a favour, get rid of the Marshall and buy a decent amp! :lol:

Give me some money and i'll buy a decent guitar too :P

Matt

Blue_SV650S
22-01-07, 08:50 PM
Okay, what is classed as 'A good weight'
And is it as simple as that?
Personally I think that I need to loose weight (at which point those who know me will hit me), but at 6'3" tall, 34" waist and 13st 7lb, I'm probably right for my height and build. Society does put pressure on us all to be a perfect shape. should we not look at our health rather than our weight?



This is getting far too deep for me................

Its simple:- "If you can pinch more than an inch - then you need Kellogg's Special-K" :D

Or to be a bit more helpful :D :-

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/logout/news_features/idealweight.htm

Razor
22-01-07, 08:56 PM
Well I made a start. I took all of the clothes off the cross trainer and moved it into the lounge. Now I need a sit down and a chocy biscuit...

Yeah - don't overdo it on the first day - build up to it.

A cross trainer for a cross.....!!!!


How appropriate ;o)

There's a difference between a cross dresser and a transsexual y'know :roll:

northwind
22-01-07, 09:25 PM
Do you (or your friends) notice a funny smell on your breath? That's a symptom of starving, this is why surgeons will lean over you and smell your breath before you get put under. They want to make sure the body is safe(er) for GA.

What are you looking for there, ketoacidosis?

philipMac
22-01-07, 09:49 PM
Do you (or your friends) notice a funny smell on your breath? That's a symptom of starving, this is why surgeons will lean over you and smell your breath before you get put under. They want to make sure the body is safe(er) for GA.

What are you looking for there, ketoacidosis?

Basically yeah. They want to make sure that you didn't just say you starved yourself for the last 24 hours, they want to see the money.
Its a very easy test to do, so... yeah. Not all guys will do it, but I think most will.
What is more impressive are the guys that can diagnose lung cancer from the smell of your breath. (They exist.)

Kinvig
22-01-07, 10:18 PM
There's a difference between a cross dresser and a transsexual y'know :roll:

Oops - No offence! Looks like I'll be searching on wikipedia tomorrow!

philipMac
22-01-07, 10:34 PM
There's a difference between a cross dresser and a transsexual y'know :roll:

Oops - No offence! Looks like I'll be searching on wikipedia tomorrow!

Christ Kingvig. Get with the scene.
The difference is mainly to do with ping pong balls.

That will assist your Google searching.

Cloggsy
22-01-07, 10:47 PM
want to lose weight?

as has prob been said, you need to use up more calories than you eat.

But a small change over a long period of time will make a huge difference.

jools's 7 tips to weight loss

tip1
Change a daily habit
e.g a client of mine lost 3 stone by switching from the normal ribena carton drink to the no added sugar version.
he drank 6 a day, the calorie difference was 800 a day! = 5600 a week or 1.6lbs a week, just by changing the type of drink.

I picked up an Orangina yesterday = 220 calories. Bearing in mind that avg intake should be about 2500 (avg bloke) that's nearly 10% of your daily food....in 1 drink :shock:

tip 2
Don't deny yourself
rather than cutting out a type of food altogether (apart from crisps and choccy = completely wasted calories) just have smaller portions. Have a pint not 6. have a glass of wine, not a bottle.

tip 3
add your own extras.
eg tuna mayo from the sarny shop=how much mayo?? :shock: . ask for dry tuna and add a bit of mayo yourself - that way you know how much there is and you are in control of it.
same applies to salad dressings

tip 4
eat plenty of fruit and veg - boring, but good for you.

tip 5
remove temptation - don't buy it
if it's not in the cupboard/fridge you can't eat it. so don't buy all that crap at the supermarket in the first place. hence removing the temptation of having those 6 biscuits with you tea.
your an adult you know what's good for you and whats bad, don't eat it.

tip 6
view food as fuel, not entertainment or comfort.
would you poor chocolate in your bikes fuel tank cos it tastes nice? no, because it does it no good and would make it run badly. Guess what? chocolate does you no good and makes you run badly too! (no i'm not saying drink petrol)
ok, we're bikers, we know what our bikes need and we look after them. ie petrol, oil, chain lube, servicing, tyres, lights etc etc
what does your body need? protein, carbs, vitamins, fats, minerals, water.

tip 7
Cook your food.
no really, buy the ingredients and cook them. Don't use the jar sauces, ready meals and all that over processed crap. Cook it.
How difficult is it to make pasta sauce?, err tomato, basil, olives. how tricky was that?
look on the jar of pasta sauce....what is all that sh*t?

Really good advice that :thumbsup:

Now run twice a week to maintain it.

:shock: The only trouble with running is, its boring :roll:

Mrs wants me to join her running club - we'll see :roll:

:shock: :shock: Stuff that, too much like hard work :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously though, the missus & I have just been on a 'Russian Kettlebell' Masterclass - Never worked so hard for a good few years :!: The lactic acid build-up in my Glutes, Quads and Hamstrings is still killing me a good 24 hours afterwards - an awesome training aid though :!:

I intend to really give these a go, and do a bit of jogging...

I wish I was 13 shone though (well, actually, no I don't because I'd look ridiculous,) 14 and a half would be good though ;)

Ed
22-01-07, 11:16 PM
I intend to really give these a go, and do a bit of jogging...

I wish I was 13 shone though (well, actually, no I don't because I'd look ridiculous,) 14 and a half would be good though ;)

Ya mean 'running', not 'jogging' :evil: If you think 13 stone would look ridiculous, just think of us 11 stoners....

Cloggsy
22-01-07, 11:21 PM
I intend to really give these a go, and do a bit of jogging...

I wish I was 13 shone though (well, actually, no I don't because I'd look ridiculous,) 14 and a half would be good though ;)

Ya mean 'running', not 'jogging' :evil: If you think 13 stone would look ridiculous, just think of us 11 stoners....

Ed, please bear in mind, as a 16 year old I was boxing at 12st 8lbs... 6' tall...

I'm still 6' tall, but now a little over 19st :shock: :oops: What a difference 19 years, good living & a few beers makes eh :?: :roll:

Anyway, like I said, 14 and a half stone would be marvellous ;)

It shouldn't take long to disappear as I have a lot to lose :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Blue_SV650S
22-01-07, 11:30 PM
What’s scary is just how much effort you need to exert to burn just a few calories …

Ok, so tonight I tried to equate what 1000 calories is … i.e. what you have to do to burn off 1k calories … so I went on the cross trainer and dialled in the ‘fat burn’ setting … for thems not familiar, on ‘fat burn’ the machine basically varies the load to try and keep your heart rate in the ‘fat burning’ zone … I am 32, so that is 122bmp for me … it took 70 mins … yes an hour and 10 mins of exercise at that heart rate and a speed of 10-12 (kmh?!?!) to burn the 1000 calories … (yes I know I could have done 100 and multiplied it, but I do an hour anyways, so it wasn’t much more to get the full 1000 ;)).

So … using the 52,000 calories per stone estimate above … that would be 52*70mins that’s 3640 mins … or 2.5 DAYS of continual cross training for me to burn up a stones worth of calories … :shock: … I suppose you get the bonus of ~6000 calories you used up just to survive over that time too (i.e. your 2.5k a day normal living ;)).

2.5 full days 24hrs a day … now that’s hard work … :D



I know its sad I actually thought about that, but hey look … I was on the cross trainer for over an hour … what else did I have to think about?!!? :D (I had already checked out all the 'ass' on my run!! :D) BTW they had an episode of the Simpson’s on today that I hadn’t seen before!! 8) :D

Ed
22-01-07, 11:40 PM
I've never been anal about it - I ran 4 and a bit miles tonight in 31.24, heart rate around 100 ish I spose, didn't use a monitor - so I guess 450 odd calories - or a KitKat :shock: - is that all...

Luckypants
22-01-07, 11:50 PM
What is this cross trainer you speak of? One of those cross country skiing emulators? If so, don't them things really work you hard?

Using your heart rate as a body 'speedo' is a great way to target a workout. Using the 'fat burn' range will be exercising at a very low rate to make sure all calories used come from fat. Going up to a more intensive cardio workout will be as beneficial to 'burning fat', but use more calories per hour, as long as you eat a reduced calorie diet (or at least less than 2500 + calories burned) since much of the glycogen fuels stores that were used during exercise will be replenished from fat stores.

It is only hard training at 80+% MHR (ROT) where you need to really think about replacing the carbohydrate based calories burned during exercise.

timwilky
23-01-07, 12:49 PM
Well I have been to fat fighters with the wife and advisor did look like Marjorie Dawes. Well my starting weight is 14st 9lb. Looks like I am on dust for the rest of my life.

Luckypants
23-01-07, 01:03 PM
What is your target weight? 14st 9lbs ain't so bad.

Baph
23-01-07, 01:13 PM
Just seen this thread, and, well, I will stop myself from commenting on the diet aspect for reasons I wont go into.

Would you rather be with someone that wanted you, for who you are right now? Or would you rather try to change yourself, to the kind of person that you think they are looking for?

99% of relationships fail at some stage anyway (probably higher than that).

Personally, confidence in who you are right now, is far more appealing than a waist size. Having said that, you're right, I don't find LARGE people attractive. To me, anything that's size 16 or less is dependent on personality (yes I realise it makes me shallow to put a limit on size, but everyone does subconsciously anyway, and the limits certainly aren't to be strictly obeyed). I could never be with someone that had no personality just as much as I wouldn't be with someone I wasn't attracted (note: size isn't the only factor here) to.

Just a few thoughts outside the scope of the original intention ;)

Ping
23-01-07, 01:20 PM
I scared myself into dietary submission last night by looking at the BMI thingy... I'm 1 1/2 - 2st overweight... :shock: :shock: :shock:

I already knew it, but seeing it in graph form is somewhat shocking... :lol:

Baph
23-01-07, 01:23 PM
I'm 1 1/2 - 2st overweight... :shock: :shock: :shock:

I already knew it, but seeing it in graph form is somewhat shocking... :lol:
So you already knew it, but because you've seen it in a graph you're not on a diet? Did the graph make you less confident about yourself? Did it make you unhappier about yourself?

Welcome to modern world madness.

I get the feeling I won't be visiting this thread often :lol:

Ping
23-01-07, 01:30 PM
I'm 1 1/2 - 2st overweight... :shock: :shock: :shock:

I already knew it, but seeing it in graph form is somewhat shocking... :lol:

So you already knew it, but because you've seen it in a graph you're not on a diet? Did the graph make you less confident about yourself? Did it make you unhappier about yourself?

Welcome to modern world madness.

I get the feeling I won't be visiting this thread often :lol:

No, the graph highlighted that I've got to reign in my eating habits.

No, the graph didn't make me less confident about myself. That comes from not being happy with being flabby.

No, I'm already fairly unhappy with myself. The graph is just the slap in the face 'on paper' that the reminder in the mirror/on the scales isn't doing for me. You can look at yourself in the mirror and not be happy with what you see and only grumble about it. You can look at it 'on paper' and think '****, time to focus and do something about it.'

Don't ask me why, I don't know.. maybe it's all that "DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!" red they use in the over/underweight band. :P

I prefer seeing fat people to really skinny people. Tho I'd happily be 2st overweight if it was all muscle.

Sudoxe
23-01-07, 01:32 PM
I scared myself into dietary submission last night by looking at the BMI thingy... I'm 1 1/2 - 2st overweight... :shock: :shock: :shock:

I already knew it, but seeing it in graph form is somewhat shocking... :lol:

Your perfect, no need to change :lol: :lol: 8) 8)

Dan
Your stalker. :lol:

Kinvig
23-01-07, 01:36 PM
No, I'm already fairly unhappy with myself.

Can I be bloody nosey & ask:

1. Why? &
2. What you intend to do about it?

timwilky
23-01-07, 01:45 PM
What is your target weight? 14st 9lbs ain't so bad.


Target. Not to have to buy new leathers.

Put it this way, I need to loose at least 3 stone.

Luckypants
23-01-07, 01:55 PM
What is your target weight? 14st 9lbs ain't so bad.


Target. Not to have to buy new leathers.

Put it this way, I need to loose at least 3 stone.

Good luck. I set myself a target of losing 2 stones and I was 14st 7lbs before starting. Would like to reach 12st, but am being realistic!

Ping
23-01-07, 02:00 PM
Sudoxe: :lol:

No, I'm already fairly unhappy with myself.

Can I be bloody nosey & ask:

1. Why? &
2. What you intend to do about it?

It's ok for other people to be overweight, just not me. :P Blokes seem to be nastier to me when I'm overweight than when I'm back to what I should be as well. 'Just ignore the ignorant bastids'... Yeah sure. Easy. No, actually it's not. I'm not thick skinned enough to be able to not care how people treat me.

There's a little bundle of muscle like sprung steel in here just bursting to get out... :lol: I used to be quite fit with an awesome little figure and I want that back.

I am:

Cutting down on how much I eat and eating healthier stuff (no more junk food except every now and then as a treat) The cutting down is part of reducing my appetite. I can eat far too much at the moment. :D

Start back at the gym after I've sorted my appetite out and lost a bit of weight. Going to the gym increases my appetite so going now will make me fitter, but not be enough to burn the fat off. Training will alternate between cardio/fat burning and weight training, but I'll speak to a personal trainer about that.

Anything else, Mr Nosey Nose McCabbage? :)

fizzwheel
23-01-07, 02:01 PM
*raises hand*

Yep me to... I'm 1 1/2 stone over weight, I knew I had put on some weight but I wasnt really sure how much. As you might have read in the other thread, This is what I'm trying to do

Eat 5 portions of fruit veg a day nearly.
We're cooking our own food as much as possible rather than eating out of packets, jars and ready meals.
We've cut down the portion size we're eating at mealtimes.
I've stopped snacking on crisps and sweets in between meals.
I'm cycling an hour a night ( last night was 14.7 miles in 60 minutes ) this will increase as I build my stamina up.
I'm taking a 1 1/2 ish mile walk at lunchtime

Apart from that I'm eating what a little of what you like. I dont believe in all these fady diets. A little of what you fancy wont IMHO do you any harm.

I've got two targets in mind.

To complete a 55 mile cycle ride for charity in May.
To be able to get into my leathers when the weather warms up.

Ping
23-01-07, 02:01 PM
Oh yeah... I can't fit into my leathers anymore either... :lol:

Filipe M.
23-01-07, 02:03 PM
Ever since I remember checking my weight I've been anywhere from the wrong side of 15st when I was 18yo, the good side of 12st at 21yo, and very near 20st (yes, twenty) when I was 27.
I'm sitting not very happily at 16 now, thinking seriously of getting down to my "psychological" ideal weight of 14st. Do I know how to get there? From the figures above, yes I do. Do I have the will power to do it? :roll:

Luckypants
23-01-07, 02:03 PM
Stuff.....

As I recall you is quite thin, so this is moot for you. some of us need to slim down / shape up for health or life style reasons. nothing to do with being attractive to opposite sex.

Kinvig
23-01-07, 02:07 PM
Anything else, Mr Nosey Nose McCabbage? :)

Nah - it's all for now!

Ping
23-01-07, 02:08 PM
Stuff.....

As I recall you is quite thin, so this is moot for you. some of us need to slim down / shape up for health or life style reasons. nothing to do with being attractive to opposite sex.

I just want to be attractive to me...


:lol:


Edit: btw, does anyone reckon 1L of Innocent Strawberry & banana smoothie in one day is too much for any chance of weightloss? :lol:

Amanda M
23-01-07, 02:19 PM
I'm always trying to lose weight :( Am making a huge effort at the moment - eating sensibly etc so let's see how it goes. I've got a shoulder injury at the moment which is stopping a lot of the things I used to do at the gym but the physio is helping me a lot so I should be back there soon, fingers crossed, and I know that will help more than just eating sensibly.

Good luck everyone with their weight-loss plans :)

Razor
23-01-07, 02:46 PM
Anybody know the recommended daily dietary requirements?

Sudoxe
23-01-07, 02:54 PM
Sudoxe: :lol:
:smt060
:lol:

Seriously, I cant see the problem. What other people think, they think, tough. You shouldn't let what other peoples standards are effect you (imho).

But then again, i don't care what people think!

Dan

Blue_SV650S
23-01-07, 03:05 PM
... stuff ....

To be fair I am not convinced by them graphs ...

Although ugly as feck :D I'd say I was a fairly healthy specimen, I am 32 and according to my last checkup, I have the lungs of a 19yr old and normal blood pressure. I have an office job, so it is easy to snack and hard to keep fit without doing something extra curricular ... so .. I go to the gym 5 times a week (sometimes 6) for 2-3hrs a time also my hobbies are action sports, so free exercise there ...

Yes I have a bit of belly and love handles :oops: that refuse to go, no matter how hard I work out and good I am with avoiding chocky and cakes ... but I’d like to think that I am hardly a bloater ... I also (most of the time) eat healthily, I have a nice big salad every night for example ...

We would all like to look like Brad Pit (or whoever girls find fit these days :D) ... but overall I'd say I was not at any health risk or look particularly porky (if I suck me belly in a bit!! :D) ... I am 13st and 5’9 - 5’10 ish 42” chest 32-33” waist (depending on cut) … so hardly out of proportion, but according to them charts I am best part of a stone deep into the overweight … I do aim to shave 1/2 stone after x-mass gluttony, but I am never going to be the 2 stone lighter I should be to hit the middle of the white bit ... I'd look unhealthy ...

In summery, ignore the charts … :D

Blue_SV650S
23-01-07, 03:11 PM
Oh and also unless you are particularly lucky, keeping down to weight is hard work and sacrifice (hence my previous post where even after trying hard I am still technically well over wight) ... if you build it into your lifestyle and surround yourself with similar thinking/active people however it isn't as big a problem though ...

I like a good feed myself, but strangely it actually makes me feel a bit ill seeing a fat person (and I mean fat now) porking down pizza and chips for lunch ... dunno why as it doesn't effect me in the slightest ... but it does ...

Anyhoo, if you try and keep fit and your weight sensible, the net result you should live longer and you feel more confident or at least a little smug :D Confidence can be s3xy (or so I am told! :D)

philipMac
23-01-07, 03:18 PM
Anybody know the recommended daily dietary requirements?
All this searching for diets is a bit feeble minded. Razor is much more on track. You need to learn what your body needs to do its day to day job.
I have a fairly reasonable idea of this, from being trained as a road cyclist.
There were tons of lectures, and coaches advising you about diet, and you need to be really aware of yourself because you are on the ragged edge all the time. I still screwed it up twice, and became anemic.
But, what you need to know to train is just a more focused version of what you need to know to be alive and healthy. I completely use much the same logic as to what I eat with normal life as I did when I was racing.
Reading exercise physiology books such as http://www.amazon.com/Serious-Cycling-Ed-Burke/dp/073604129X
will give you a very good idea of what is happening in your body.
Once you understand the basics, (and they are not that simple) you can ignore all this diet rubbish, and eat what you need to.
There are very cut and dried laws of physics at play. You cannot create energy in your body. If your intake < output, you will lose weight eventually. There is no other option.

grh1904
23-01-07, 03:47 PM
It's all about lifestyle as opposed to going on a diet - just ask any diabetic.

As one I know - I have had to change my eating habits drastically 2 years ago when i got diagnosed.

Diabetics don't eat anything special, we just cut out sugar, eat moderate carobohydrates watch the fat etc, in other words sensible.

If you want to lose weight and keep it off, look at adopting a low GI eating regime. It doesn't have to be boring, also consider an active/sporty excercise regime as well.

A good mix of both gets weight off, keeps it off, and keeps you living longer.

Baph
23-01-07, 04:10 PM
Stuff.....

As I recall you is quite thin, so this is moot for you. some of us need to slim down / shape up for health or life style reasons. nothing to do with being attractive to opposite sex.
Agreed, I am pretty thin. You yourself mike have said you want/need to loose weight, and from meeting you, I'd disagree with the latter half of that.

Anyone that WANTS to loose weight, fine, go for it. Anyone that feels the NEED to loose weight because of social factors etc, is, IMO, in need of a new outlook on life, not a new diet.

Only those that have been clinically (ie, by a doctor!) diagnosed as being medically obese really need to loose weight IMO.

Society as a whole is overly obsessed with weight/figure, and I (being a relatively thin person) just think it's wrong. Hence why I've outright refused to comment directly on any one person's specific diet etc. It's not me feeling those things, it's not really my place to judge if a diet is chosen.

My apologies specifically to Ping, my post wasn't intended to come across that way, merely that if you were grumbling about it before it was 'on paper,' then IMO, the paper shouldn't of pushed things over the edge into action. I realise some people (most women - unfortunately) are at least anxious about weight, but I reckon that in around 90% of cases, there's no reason to feel pressured into loosing weight. Ping, you're slim enough to ride a bike, therefore IMO, you don't NEED to loose weight, if you want to, that's up to you.

Not all thinner folks judge the larger ones on weight ;) I'm with Blue_SV650S & Sudoxe... ignore the charts, and to hell with those that want to be negative. Most people only treat others negatively to put them down & make themselves look better. I haven't talked to anyone on this forum that's not better than that, so why let them win?

Luckypants
23-01-07, 04:18 PM
Stuff.....

As I recall you is quite thin, so this is moot for you. some of us need to slim down / shape up for health or life style reasons. nothing to do with being attractive to opposite sex.
Agreed, I am pretty thin. You yourself mike have said you want/need to loose weight, and from meeting you, I'd disagree with the latter half of that. :kiss: 14 1/2 stones is too much. I'm told i carry my weight well, but to me that suggests the fat is around my major organs! It ain't pretty with my shirt off either!

My main driver to get the fat off is getting back into kayaking. Weight seriously affects boat performance and I am right at the top of the range for my current craft. Lower weight also means my buoyancy aid is more effective when I fall out.

hovis
23-01-07, 04:40 PM
we could bang on about this forever.................but its simple

eat healthier...........exercise more

the end

im off to work

Luckypants
23-01-07, 04:54 PM
we could bang on about this forever.................but its simple

eat healthier...........exercise more

the end

im off to work

+1

Razor
23-01-07, 08:19 PM
Does anyone know what they mean by "oily" fish?

Blue_SV650S
23-01-07, 08:40 PM
Does anyone know what they mean by "oily" fish?

here you go .. :) http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2004/jun/oilyfishdefinition

What I want to know is why is tinned tuna non-oily and normal tuna oily??? is tinned tuna a special part of a tuna that doesn't contain the oil!?!? :?

Blue_SV650S
23-01-07, 09:23 PM
Ok when I was at the gym tonight I was doing a bit more thinking … I remembered from back at school that it takes 1 calorie to heat 1 cubic cm (1cc) of water by 1 deg C

So the energy used on the cross trainer over 70 mins would only heat 1liter of water 1 deg C…. Next time you boil the kettle think about that … presuming you put 1l water in there, and it starts off out of the tap at 10 deg C it’d take 90,000 calories to boil it … so that’s ~100 hours of cross trainer energy to boil it … that’s like over 4 days of continuous cross trainering … to make say 3 mugs of tea :shock:

Then when I was swimming in the outdoor pool ... I was thinking hell its cold in here (outdoor pool) ... but think of the energy/cross trainer work it'd take to even heat this mass of water up by just 1 dec c!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

Hey, look when I am working out I have lots of time to think about stuff … OK!! :D

weazelz
23-01-07, 09:27 PM
Does anyone know what they mean by "oily" fish?

in batter ;-)


seriously, oily fish is non-white fish. herring, mackerel, salmon, trout, etc.

clicky (http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2004/jun/oilyfishdefinition)

weazelz
23-01-07, 09:30 PM
What I want to know is why is tinned tuna non-oily and normal tuna oily??? is tinned tuna a special part of a tuna that doesn't contain the oil!?!? :?

http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2004/jun/oilyfishfaq

"Fresh tuna is an oily fish but canned tuna doesn't count as oily. This is because when it's canned these fats are reduced to levels similar to white fish. So, canned tuna is a healthy choice for most people, but it doesn't have the same benefits as eating oily fish."

Blue_SV650S
23-01-07, 10:22 PM
http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2004/jun/oilyfishfaq

"Fresh tuna is an oily fish but canned tuna doesn't count as oily. This is because when it's canned these fats are reduced to levels similar to white fish. So, canned tuna is a healthy choice for most people, but it doesn't have the same benefits as eating oily fish."

Oh ... Perhaps I should have delved deeper into the website?!!? :D

Razor
24-01-07, 08:57 AM
I had tinned herring last night, does that still count as oily or have the done the same as they do with tuna?? :?

timwilky
24-01-07, 09:51 AM
Well day 1 completed without a cheat. I could hear the call of the drinkies cabinet and the new bottle of Bowmore 21 year old shouting my name. But I resisted. No after dinner Stilton. Everything recorded for analyse by the dust demon.

I even ate a banana yesterday. The first piece of fruit I have eaten in about 20 years.

Anyone know how long it should take to loose about 4 stone. Whoops just realised that if I actually loose all of that I will have to buy new leathers anyway.

hovis
24-01-07, 10:03 AM
I even ate a banana yesterday. The first piece of fruit I have eaten in about 20 years.
.

:shock: dont over do it :lol:

hovis
24-01-07, 10:14 AM
i find that the half fat items are good

because they are half fat

you can have twice as much

Razor
24-01-07, 10:37 AM
i find that the half fat items are good

because they are half fat

you can have twice as much

:winner: Thanks H, all my questions are answered now :roll:

the_runt69
24-01-07, 11:28 AM
Oh yeah... I can't fit into my leathers anymore either... :lol:

thats my problem as well, not overweight as such (maybe half a stone) but what weight I have seems to have shifted from my chest to my waist.

Need to do some excercise to get the spare tyre back where it belongs

H

Blue_SV650S
24-01-07, 11:46 AM
i find that the half fat items are good

because they are half fat

you can have twice as much

Do be careful with 'low fat' items, quite often if you look on the back they just have more carbs ... its always interesting to look on the back of items at the nutrition information and actually see what the difference is.

I'll give you an example of this 'low fat' nothing else maters stupidity ... there is this fat-lass at work ... not trying to be rude, but she is truly fat, she must be 20stone and 5'4. Nice girl, but she has been having half ar5ed attempts at loosing weight for years ... to no great effect ...

It made me chuckle to myself one day ... she was telling me that she was trying hard again 'Good for her' I said … then almost in the same action she opened up a bag of Harribo ... ... she could see the look on my face as she opened it … and she then went on to say “It’s ok, they are zero fat” …. Yes love but they are 100% sugar!! :roll: … she isn’t very bright - bless her!! :D