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I expect Stingo's busy over at Branscombe :lol:
What is it with all these thieves nicking stuff off the beach. BMW bike - bet they'll go really well, having been in seawater for a few days. Barrels of wine. Packages of nappies. The salt will make baby's botty nice and smooth. Are people really so desperate. Just plain thievery :evil:
Depends whether the containers have been breached before they reached the shore.
Apparantly the police have been handing out forms for the locals to complete with details of everything they 'salvage' - yeah, right.
Personally, I think it is good to see the traditional West Country craft of wrecking coming back in fashion :lol:
timwilky
22-01-07, 09:59 PM
Supposed to be fitting front wheels to bmw and wheeling them off the beach. Surely that is a bit too complicated for your average pirate
northwind
22-01-07, 10:08 PM
It's all gone quite mental, hasn't it? I mean, in some ways it's good fun but in other's it's pretty desperate. If I was local I'd go down and have a look, no doubt, but when you see the lengths they're going to...
I think the crates- or some at least- are very close to watertight. That's why they didn't want it to sink in deep water, run a ship into a floating shipping crate at speed and it'll leave quite a scar If they were open to the water, they'd just sink.
fizzwheel
22-01-07, 10:14 PM
Supposed to be fitting front wheels to bmw and wheeling them off the beach. Surely that is a bit too complicated for your average pirate
Aye.. thats what a friend of one my work colleagues did last night. The dragged the container to shore with a trawler opened it up and the BMW's were wrapped in cardboard, the fitted the wheels removed the cardboard and then wheeled them away. Allegedly you understand :wink:
Fizz - tis what I would be doing too if I had a trawler. That's the salvage business world wide. What do they expect - the tax payer to come along and pick up the clean up bill? At least these folk are taking some of the junk away. The insurance companies must be screaming foul though.
I expect Stingo's busy over at Branscombe :lol:
What is it with all these thieves nicking stuff off the beach. BMW bike - bet they'll go really well, having been in seawater for a few days. Barrels of wine. Packages of nappies. The salt will make baby's botty nice and smooth. Are people really so desperate. Just plain thievery :evil:
Avast!! Scurvy dogs are stealing my booty!! :lol:
That's the salvage business world wide.
Didn't the salvage laws change in the 90's. ?
What annoys me the most is people are ripping containers and stuff open and making an even bigger mess of the beach.
I wouldn't take a motorcycle that wasn't mine from a shop or someones garage, why should a container that has fallen off a ship be any different ?
DanDare
23-01-07, 09:13 AM
Surely every container or the shipping company is part of some maritime insurance.
Bout time the insurance company started paying out instead of taking all the time.
As for me I'd rather BMW gave me a bike that hasn't been bashed around in a container rather than sell me the one they retrieved.
I wonder what will happen to the rest of the cargo onboard? Salvage teams appear to be trying to save the vessel, surely remove some of the containers would lesson the weight.
Can this be done at sea?
my first thoughts when i heard this kerfuffle was good for them.
but then watching it on the news and seeing the hoards of pikeys grabbing anything they can and rushing off with it like, well like i don't know what i can't think of a suitable analogy right now, i quickly changed my mind. embarassing.
there was a container of portsmouth fc merchandise which was left untouched. the pikeys said they have some standards
Everyone in my office is watching this story with quite a bit of interest, especially when you take into account that MetVale Ltd use the software I write to control/schedule logistics (including the MSC Napoli).
I think the crates- or some at least- are very close to watertight.
90% of them aren't from the footage I've seen of the wreck. However, there are 158 containers on board that are potentially hazardous, either by themselves or when combined with environmental factors (like water :shock:).
I have access to a full detailed listing of exactly what's on the ship, but I'm bound to an NDA, sorry guys ;) Chances are, MetVale Ltd will just write off pretty much everything against insurance, afterall, the insurance is there for a reason.
The insurance company will try to recover losses in any way they can, and I really feel sorry for anyone that honestly fills in that form, fully anticipating that the insurance company won't chase them for it. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that the insurance company are allowed to demand double the value of any goods taken. You can say no, and give the goods back, but they can still demand repayment to the value of the goods, even when they have the goods, or at least they can bill you for them collecting the goods, since you removed them from the site.
If I was local to the wreck, I really don't think I'd bother with it. Far too risky given my job & knowledge of what's onboard.
DanDare, the goods on board are the concern of the insurance company. The fuel (which there's a hell of a lot of) is the concern of the salvage company. 8 people on board trying hard to remove the fuel tanks first, then attention will turn to the oil/goods.
fizzwheel
23-01-07, 09:40 AM
there was a container of portsmouth fc merchandise which was left untouched. the pikeys said they have some standards
You shouldnt have posted that in the joke thread :lol: :lol:
I expect Stingo's busy over at Branscombe :lol:
What is it with all these thieves nicking stuff off the beach. BMW bike - bet they'll go really well, having been in seawater for a few days. Barrels of wine. Packages of nappies. The salt will make baby's botty nice and smooth. Are people really so desperate. Just plain thievery :evil:
Avast!! Scurvy dogs are stealing my booty!! :lol:
AARRRRRHHHHH!!! :lol:
Tiger 55
23-01-07, 01:38 PM
Hi,
Anybody know how I would go about registering and taxing a brand new BMW that I, um, found?
Also I think I'll need to claim on the warranty because it wont start.
Cheers!
Peter Henry
23-01-07, 02:32 PM
In the spirit,(oops terrible pun! :D ) of Whiskey Galore...I wish those rascals well! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Biker Biggles
23-01-07, 04:32 PM
Yup.Good luck to em.Note to self---Must reread Moonfleet. :lol:
As for the ship,I'd like to know why it fell apart and flooded the engine room in the first place.These ships are supposed to be able to withstand an Atlantic hurricane,so a nasty gale in the Channel should not have caused this trouble.
The salvage operation will be touch and go,with the track record for getting the fuel oil out before the ship breaks up not too good.It depends on good weather and the nature of the seabed where the ship sits.Any rocky outcrops will puncture the fuel tanks,and anything other than a compliant sandy seabed will put stresses on the hull that will cause it to break up.
Given that they were trying to tow it in to Plymouth and had to put it on the beach in a hurry,they would not have had much time to plan a suitable location,so the chances are that the local beaches will get polluted.
If the weather is OK,they could use a floating crane to get the containers off and on to barges,but it will be a slow process,and January is not the best month to do it.
As for the ship,I'd like to know why it fell apart and flooded the engine room in the first place.
See my previous post regarding NDA, but I know where my money is.
A matter for the insurance company to sort out, and I'm sure the media will find out after they decide what happened.
Bet you'll be seeing a few BMW trackbikes appearing soon :lol: :lol: :lol:
This story is on ever major news web channel, it makes us all look like a bunch of thieves. It's dismal how the prospect of some sort of gain brings out the worst in people. As Tricky said, why does the stuff being on a beach make any difference?
and the fact they've made more of a mess with the beach than if they had just left things alone.
cost a few more quid in tax payers money. potentially harmed the tourist trade for the area.
yeah, no harm in that eh. just opportunism isn't it? good for them :evil:
Peter Henry
23-01-07, 05:30 PM
So if they were a "better class" of scavenger...(perhaps dressed in waxed cotton jackets and plus fours) a more acceptable image would be projected to the world of this harmless passtime? :wink:
I only ask,I only ask! :?
UlsterSV
23-01-07, 09:02 PM
The 'I want' culture rears its ugly head again. Agree with Ed on this one. It's theft, no other word for it.
The Basket
23-01-07, 09:13 PM
Yeah but it looks worse than it is.
I'm sure given the go, we would be up to our necks in plunder!
A bit far for me :D
It may be theft but in the words of Homer Simpson 'that is up to the court to decide.'
Biker Biggles
24-01-07, 06:04 PM
Looks like the tourist trade is already up the swanny with more oil starting to leak out of the wreck.
Looking at where the ship is and the prevailing winds there it could turn into a major environmental disaster for Devon.
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