Interested in a SWS Track Day ? [Archive] - SV650.org

hovis

24-01-07, 10:07 PM

anybody fancy doing a trackday when the weather picks up a bit.....(i know i do)
thinking out keeping it pretty local

pembrey,llandow or castle combe

anybody done these tracks? which do you recomend?

Edit

I've added a poll so we can guage what sort of interest there is and where peeps would prefer to go.

Hope thats OK

Fizz

Beenz

24-01-07, 10:47 PM

I've been to Llandow and Castle Combe as a passenger in a well driven Caterham 7. Both are good circuits although the latter is more local to me. I'd be interested but as you say when the weather/temp improves.

Roll on summer :wink:

keithd

25-01-07, 08:44 AM

i'd be interested in castle coombe.

carlos

25-01-07, 10:11 AM

I'm definately intrested in a track day this year, so count me in hovi5 (date depending obvoiusly :roll: )

Only problem with Castle Combe is they're apparently strict on the noise levels, further research indicates;

Bikes must be fitted with their original factory fitted silencer.

It is possible to have an after market but I don't think you'll get away with Baffle-out, and certainly not your Scorpion "Not For Road Use" can :cry: :cry: :cry:

keithd

25-01-07, 10:26 AM

count me out then. i lost the baffle to my can somewhere on the A30 last summer... :oops:

_Stretchie_

25-01-07, 02:14 PM

hovis

25-01-07, 02:49 PM

CASTLE COMBE is now out IMO
no race cans

:shock: are they having a larf ...........bet you cant go over 70mph either

& no overtaking

castle combe :smt019

DanDare

25-01-07, 03:01 PM

CASTLE COMBE IS NOW OUT

no race cans

:shock: are they having a larf ...........bet you cant go over 70mph either

& no overtaking

castle combe :smt019

Something to do with the locals getting annoyed by the noise.

Bit like those people who move near airports and wonder why its noisy :scratch:

_Stretchie_

25-01-07, 03:48 PM

Bit like those people who move near airports and wonder why its noisy :scratch:

Top one...

It's restricted to 90db I think, but I'm up for it, my can is a straight through, I've never had a baffle for it because there wasn't one. I'm buying a DB Killer for it, it's just an aftermarket baffle.

If you are local, or even if you're not you could work it into a ride up here, you can go down and they will test it for you to see if it passes their noise regs

Check it out

http://www.castlecombecircuit.co.uk/bike_trackdays.htm

"The noise limit for the day is 105 db(A), which is measured at ½ metre from the exhaust outlet at ¾ maximum revs. It is the rider’s responsibility to ensure that their machine is within this limit. All machines are sound tested prior to going out on the circuit. In the event of a machine failing the sound check, then the rider will be entitled to a 75% refund. If you are unsure if your bike will get through the noise test (i.e. if it is fitted with an after market exhaust system), then you can always come over to get the bike noise tested prior to booking a place."

Peace out..

hovis

25-01-07, 04:14 PM

im pretty sure mine would fail(hopefully).....................although i dont mind coming. i would like to get it tested first

will a MOT place test it? or where else?

Beenz

25-01-07, 04:28 PM

I prefer quite bikes anyway :shock:

_Stretchie_

25-01-07, 04:31 PM

I prefer quite bikes anyway :shock:

:stupid:

fizzwheel

25-01-07, 05:18 PM

I'd like to do a track day and castle coombe is a reasonable distance for me to travel that day. I'm going to use the SV and not the GSXR though. I'm quite happy to shove the standard can back on it for a day doesnt bother me.

It would never get through the noise test with the blue flame on it like it is now. It might pass with the baffles in as its passed an MOT like that, but personally I'd not chance it.

mac99

25-01-07, 09:12 PM

I did a track day there last autumn (other thread (http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.php?t=45774) )

They are pretty strict on the noise limit. You get properly tested at a standstill at the start of the day and get a sticker for your bike. However they also monitor everybody on the track as they come round at the start of the start-finish straight, just in case any dodgy type swaps his can over in the paddock. This can cause problems if your bike makes significantly more noise when moving, from induction noise etc. One chap kept getting pulled off every session to get retested.

Also some people were having trouble even with road legal setups. One bloke, on a gixxer I think, was over the limit on what he claimed was a totally standard bike.

However, it is a nice circuit , and the day was well run (not that i've got anything to compare it to) . Llandow has no noise limits but I've heard its a pretty dull circuit.

fizzwheel

25-01-07, 09:22 PM

Also some people were having trouble even with road legal setups. One bloke, on a gixxer I think, was over the limit on what he claimed was a totally standard bike.

It says about this on their website

In our experience the following machines may not pass our strict limits:-

Suzuki GSXR600 – 2006 model
GSXR 750 K6 & K7
Yamaha R6 – 2006 model

Beenz

25-01-07, 09:30 PM

There was an article in one of the bike publications, possibly MCN a week or so ago that was stating that different bike circuits used different methods for testing the noise.

There was a standard one that checked the bike at certain revs with the measuring deivice at 45 degrees at some measured distance away from the end can. A standard bike or one with a road legal system should have no problems in passing this. Other places used different criteria where even an after market road legal system could fail. IIRC the example was some bloke with a Gixer 600 with a road legal Yoshimura end can.

I think I'd take my bike and get it tested first as it now sports a road legal Yoshi that I got with the bike. If it fails, well I still have the standard can. It's just a pain to fit with all the clever exhaust valve cabling stuff.

Grinch

25-01-07, 09:36 PM

I'm interested... but I don't want to go all that way to have my can fail.

fizzwheel

25-01-07, 09:43 PM

I'm interested... but I don't want to go all that way to have my can fail.

Neither do I thats why if I go I'll put my standard can back on. Its not a huge job and TBH the peformance exhaust on both my bikes makes naff all difference to the performance anyway.

TSM

25-01-07, 09:43 PM

Problem most SS bikes have nowerdays is part of having a less restrictive can they have a flapper valve in the exhaust pipework that is used to increase the low down power of the bike but also makes it quieter at small throttle openings, now at 3/4 throttle the bike is going to be reving a fair bit (12k ish) and the valve is going to open up making the bike very loud. If you could find a way of disabling it when the bike is being tested then you are more likely to pass but they may have become wise to those tactics.

hovis

25-01-07, 09:49 PM

pembrey
http://upload5.postimage.org/362336/pembrey.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/362336/photo_hosting.html)

llandow

http://upload5.postimage.org/362341/llandow.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/362341/photo_hosting.html)

castle combe
http://upload5.postimage.org/362346/castlecombe.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/362346/photo_hosting.html)

how about pembrey?.............a bit out of the way for the mofos but looks a good track........

Grinch

25-01-07, 09:56 PM

Pembrey
Estimated duration:
3 hours, 36 minutes
Total distance:
206.2 miles (331.9 km)

Llandow
Estimated duration:
2 hours, 51 minutes
Total distance:
166.4 miles (267.7 km)

Castle Combe
Estimated duration:
1 hours, 46 minutes
Total distance:
100.8 miles (162.3 km)
Mmmhh.

Grinch

25-01-07, 09:57 PM

fizzwheel

25-01-07, 10:02 PM

Grinch, thats the sort of thing I normally associate with Northwind saying :D Not a bad idea though.

valleyboy

25-01-07, 10:30 PM

For some reason the Pembrey one looks the best to me...

though if your all mad, Aberdare Park gets turned into a bike circuit for 2 days a year... we could all enter into the Aberdare Park Bike races then.. and fly off into the bails of hey strategicaly placed between the track and the trees...

hovis

25-01-07, 10:40 PM

ahhhhh .............a poll good idea :thumbsup:

hovis

25-01-07, 10:44 PM

ahhhhh .............a poll good idea :thumbsup:

i dont realy mind which

pembray looks the hardest
castle looks the best but noise restriction is not good
llandow looks good for beginers (which i am)

IMO

fizzwheel

25-01-07, 10:51 PM

I dont see the problem with the noise restriction I really don't... like I said put your standard can back on and you'll be fine. IMHO race cans dont do anything for power all they do is sound better.

Personally I dont really fancy the idea of Pembray or LLandow, Castle Combe suits me best because its closest. I cant see why you welshies / mofo's can do one and us South Coasties can do one on a diferent day that way, if people want to do both they can, I dont see why that shouldnt work.

weazelz

25-01-07, 11:09 PM

I'm not very local, but I'd be up for a one. Castle Combe preferred from distance point of view, but the other two are quite possible also, I haven't done any of them, so would be nice to do something new & different :-)

hovis

25-01-07, 11:10 PM

squirrel_hunter

25-01-07, 11:15 PM

Don't mind which, its the cost that will be the biggest decider for me ie if I do it at all.

I would prefer to keep my can as it is so would shy away from Castle Combe, but are there any other restrictions on the road worthiness of your bike :wink:

Fizz - In my experience cans have made a difference to power on all of my bikes. From replacing the knackered one on my TZR to the full system on my CBR to the can on my SV. The Rene on the SV added 10mph to the top end with no other modifications.

valleyboy

26-01-07, 08:51 AM

Cans made a difference on my bike as well.. revs a lot quicker with aftermarket can on compared to standard, engine braking is altered as well... could do a weekend / few days thing of it ? camp near pembrey ? spend a day or two near there...

the white rabbit

26-01-07, 08:56 AM

i have voted for llandow as it looks a good "beginers" track

but will go to any of the 3. i cant put my original can back on as i have cut the link pipe. but if combe wins i will replace my race can with my road legal scorpion & hope for the best.

You can get a link pipe to rejoin, in fact you should have got one with the can.

hovis

26-01-07, 09:07 AM

Fearg

26-01-07, 09:25 AM

I'd be interested in Castle Coombe too. I bought my bike with a Scorpion can on it and don't have the standard can at all. I guess I'll need to just keep my fingers crossed and if it is too loud I can just stay and laugh at everyone else :lol:

Jabba

26-01-07, 09:38 AM

Don't mind which, its the cost that will be the biggest decider for me ie if I do it at all.

Same here.........., well that and not wanting to bin my beautiful Hornet. I can see why you guys with SVs wouldn't mind about that, though :wink:

No chance of my bike failing a noise test, eh chaps? :lol:

I've not voted in the poll as I don't think its right that I do unless I'm certain to go. Hovi5 - can you get some costs to inform the debate?

Having said that, I'd probably vote for Castle Combe as I doubt that there are enough of us from the Taffia to make it viable without the MoFos.

fizzwheel

26-01-07, 09:45 AM

I just had a quick look on the Castle Combe website, cost is £125, but if your bike fails the noise test, they will refund 75% of the booking fee.

carlos

26-01-07, 10:14 AM

The only track I don't like the look of is LLandow, but not really bothered which of the other two so I won't be voting on any one in particular.

If it is Castle Combe I'll probably take a bimble down there beforehand to get the Fuel can tested with the baffle in (I'm a bit scared I'll fall asleep from boredom if I put the stock can back on) and I'll let you know the results, at least there'll be some kind of idea on the strictness of the noise.

Anyway hovi5, I know you say 'when it gets warmer' but are we talking March/April warmer or July/August warmer? I know how you hardened valley-dwellers think.

valleyboy

26-01-07, 10:46 AM

march / April ? July /August ?!?

I was thinking February myself.... :lol:

would be an idea for a gethering, and do an en-mass testing at Castle Combe ? I'll bring me baffle with me....

fizzwheel

26-01-07, 10:52 AM

Castle Combe runs its days on Wednesday, the first one is on April 25th and then it runs alternate wednesdays through to October 10th...

telesv650

26-01-07, 12:17 PM

Will be up for a en-masse track day...

It seems better when you know the loonies youre with...

CC is my personal choice, have done it in the car, but never on a bike...

Viper

26-01-07, 02:16 PM

Track days..... oh no.. just frightful. all that noise and childish banter and bravado :roll:

COUNT ME IN. !!

Castle coombe for me please :twisted:

weazelz

26-01-07, 03:38 PM

I mailed CC asking about the noise rules:

weazelz asked:

is it acceptable to use a non-original exhaust, so long as it passes the noise requirements?

CC said:

It is acceptable, as long as your bike can comply to the noise test,
noise limit of 105db(A) which is measured at half metre from the exhaust
outlet at three quarters of maximum revs.

----------------------------------------------------------

I suspect that the current R6 & gsxr600/750 fall foul of the "three quarters of maximum revs" rule, given their redlines

I think I would chance using my road-legal CCC can with the baffle in, I think that'd be highly unlikely to fail their test

RingDing

26-01-07, 03:58 PM

I've ridden all three tracks on my LC when it was in racing trim. Personally Castle Combe was the most fun to ride, nice combination of bottle corners and chicanes. Plenty of opportunities to upset riders on 'big' bikes.

Pembrey is also good fun and camping over the night before turns it into more of an event. I can recommend the Phil Bevan organised days (if he still does them).

Llandow is fun but is more tight and twisty, it won't give you much of a chance to get upto big speeds, but it depends what floats your boat. I enjoyed it on the LC. It was kept in fairly good trim when I was there last and offered a good day out.

If cost was no object than that's the order I would pick them in. None of them are bad circuits and you'll have fun at all of them.

Castle Combe and Pembrey are likely to be close on price, Llandow will be cheaper.

Not voted as I won't be joining you on track but I'd come and spectate with my camera.

hovis

26-01-07, 04:16 PM

right then......looks like its going to be combe :wink:

date wise i was thinking asap if it opens in april 25 how about missing that one & doing the next?

9th may?

Grinch

26-01-07, 04:28 PM

Got to see if I can get 125 quid to cover it.

hovis

26-01-07, 04:30 PM

right then......looks like its going to be combe :wink:

date wise i was thinking asap if it opens in april 25 how about missing that one & doing the next?

9th may?

, cost is £125, but if your bike fails the noise test, they will refund 75% of the booking fee. (so be warned, no race cans on the race track):lol:
link
http://www.castlecombecircuit.co.uk/bike_trackdays.htm

left a message with llandow
pembrey has to be done through a club

RingDing

26-01-07, 04:59 PM

CC are very strict on noise, rightly so for the survival of the track. When I was there a friend on a ThunderAce wasn't allowed out because the EXUP valve had stuck, making the bike too loud.

Beenz

26-01-07, 05:05 PM

You will also need:

Quote:
Riders need to have a full face helmet, and either one or two piece leathers. If they are two piece, then these must zip together either fully or partially. Boots and gloves must be of leather construction and carry no metal studs. It is strongly recommended that additional back protectors be worn whilst on the circuit.

hovis

26-01-07, 05:09 PM

aslo you have to be there foe 8 am

fizzwheel

26-01-07, 05:13 PM

Umh.. 9th May you say.. wouldnt it be better to push it out to begining of June when theres some actually flipping chance that it might not p*ss down with rain...

Just a thought..

hovis

26-01-07, 05:24 PM

Umh.. 9th May you say.. wouldnt it be better to push it out to begining of June when theres some actually flipping chance that it might not p*ss down with rain...

Just a thought..

posibley.......... but the AR & north south are in june & i thinking of the cost but its upto everyone?
may is 9th or 23rd
in june its 6th or 20th
july 4 or 18
aug 1 or 15 or 29..........& so on
i would like to do it soon but......
fizz, i see your point about the weather :oops: how about a poll? to see when people fancy?

shall we say may 9th or 23rd
or june its 6th or 20th we can always do another one later in the year

fizzwheel

26-01-07, 08:35 PM

I agree June isnt really on for me cost wise either.

I just end of April Begining of May chances are higher that it'll **** down and I would like it to be dry to pop my track cherry.

However like you say we could always do another one later on in the year.

Has anybody else got any suggestions date wise. If we can try and use this thread for sorting out ideas and then once we have a narrower field of dates perhaps start a fresh poll. Then once were sorted date and location wise. I propose that we start a new thread to get a list of names and sort out details which I'll sticky.

How does that sound ?

carlos

26-01-07, 09:29 PM

Sound like a good idea fizz.

Count me out for the July dates but any other time I'm good for it :thumleft:

And if it rains then so be it, I need something to inspire my wet riding confidence anyway.

hovis

26-01-07, 10:46 PM

glade

26-01-07, 10:51 PM

Count me in, but i can't afford it until summer because I've got to splash for a set of leathers first and Mrs Glade has booked 2 holidays which will need paying for :roll: .

Castle combe for me.

Beenz

27-01-07, 11:09 AM

i dont fancy doing it in the wet either :oops: but i think that june the 6th is the last date b4 all the big rideouts are happening so......................... the 2 may dates & 6 th june is what i suggest at castle combe

This is getting a lot of good interest, but it is starting to ramble a tad from location to when.

The poll results show CC as the winner, could I suggest you start another thread with a poll for the dates. At least it's clear where the most interest is then.

Grinch

27-01-07, 11:15 AM

Better take my leathers to the shop to get a zip fitted.

Ceri JC

29-01-07, 12:05 PM

I'd just like to point out that Llandow was rated as the overall cheapest track in a league table in Ride/Bike last year. It's also just down the road from me! :)

I don't have acceptable for trackday leathers yet, but should look into getting some. Hmmm, 2 piece HG Tricky in matt black or made to measure 1 piece Crowtree. Decisions, decisions. :-k :)

keithd

29-01-07, 12:30 PM

Oh GOD YES...

count me out then. i lost the baffle to my can somewhere on the A30 last summer... :oops:

You can buy them on t-internet. Have a search.

Also I think at Castle Coombe they only do it on a Wednesday (or is it Thursday) so it'll be a day off work... I'm so up for it though
yeah, found a site thats got them for about £35. bit more than i'd hoped but i'll need it come MOT time so guess it'll do!