!70 Remould

[Blue_SV650S]

Here this will make the traditionalists cringe … I have got Koncord’s finest 170 section Remould on the back of my bike!! :eek:

How cool is that!?!? :smt016 8)

[husky03]

Saw it on ebay blue but wasn't sure about it-interested to hear how it feels/handles mate.

husky

[Blue_SV650S]

Saw it on ebay blue but wasn't sure about it-interested to hear how it feels/handles mate.

husky

{Looks at completed auctions on eBay} ... oh yeah ... item 120094662215 :)

That's not where I got mine, (I got mine on a spare rear wheel I bought) but yeah that's the same make/model!! :) £22 that auction ended for was a bargain!! 8)

Only used it yesterday and today on my commute ... I have hardly put it through its paces ;) but nothing untoward to report :smt023

[rictus01]

Been there, done that, de-lamination at speed is a bitch :smt105

Cheers Mark.

(still got a new set of Bridgestones out of it).

[Blue_SV650S]

Well, had me 2nd hand remold on for over a week now ... and have to say its ace 8), why do people feel they have to pay more just to get a main brand tyre?!?! :-s

[BILLY]

because we don't want to die;)

[Blue_SV650S]

because we don't want to die;)

Why do you reckon riding on a remold would make you 'die'? :o

Have you ever tried one? Seems to be working fine for me, predictable grip, stable .. what more do you want?!!? :)

[rictus01]

Why do you reckon riding on a remold would make you 'die'? :o

Have you ever tried one? Seems to be working fine for me, predictable grip, stable .. what more do you want?!!? :)

Because they could, yes I have thanks, never had a proper one let go like that, I'll waste my money for the safety thanks.

Cheers Mark.

[Blue_SV650S]

Because they could, yes I have thanks, never had a proper one let go like that, I'll waste my money for the safety thanks.

Cheers Mark.

'Let go'? They seem fully predictable to me ... even in the p1ssing rain this morning they delivered ... water dispersion is good, even at speed ;) Heatup is good too ... I had steam coming off them by the time I got to work!! :lol:

Its still early days, but I have nothing negative to say about it at the mo! 8)

[hovis]

a freind of mine swears by £10-£15 part worns, on his blade?

[Luckypants]

Its still early days, but I have nothing negative to say about it at the mo! 8)
Wait till it gets proper hot and starts delaminating 'at speed' as Rictus said. delamination is the new tread coming unglued from the old carcass.

Personal experience of remoulds (on a car granted) will stop me from ever getting them again. Except for pure off-roading, where tyres get shredded anyway...

[Blue_SV650S]

a freind of mine swears by £10-£15 part worns, on his blade?

Partworns are cool (use them on my trackbike all the time 8)) ... but they are still main-brand new (i.e. not remoulded) tyres ... so not really the same thing! ;)

Wait till it gets proper hot and starts delaminating 'at speed' as Rictus said.

I am not sure I'll ever overheat the tyres ... I only use it to ride to work ... which is mostly through town with a 'fun' bit for the last ~4 miles 8) ... to seriously overheat a tyre in 4 road miles ... unlikely ;)

[Baph]

I am not sure I'll ever overheat the tyres ... I only use it to ride to work ... which is mostly through town with a 'fun' bit for the last ~4 miles 8) ... to seriously overheat a tyre in 4 road miles ... unlikely ;)
Ride harder, you'll manage it ;)

[Mogs]

Your a brave lad, blue. You tyre will get real hot on a summers day when the heat can dissipate as quick.

[Blue_SV650S]

Your a brave lad, blue. You tyre will get real hot on a summers day when the heat can dissipate as quick.

Perhaps ... its not like I sit for hours on the motorway at 120mph though ... I commute through town then have a bit of a frisky ride at times down the backroads to work ... its not like I even get a clear run of it even then … :(

Lets hope I never find out the hard way, but for my usage I reckon a couple of jam doughnuts would do the job, so I am not sweating it!! :-D

How many people can HONESTLY say they REQUIRE the latest rubber for their ride?! ;)

[BILLY]

The tyre has a tendancy to shed it's self from the carcus and that's not good:smt018

[sinbad]

I'm surprised remoulds are even legal on a motorcycle. Do they have standard speed ratings?

[Blue_SV650S]

The tyre has a tendancy to shed it's self from the carcus and that's not good:smt018

What percentage do? What percentage of normal tyres do?

I'm surprised remoulds are even legal on a motorcycle. Do they have standard speed ratings?

You see, that is part of the logic .. if they were lethal, then they couldn't be sold .. nanny state takes care of that ;) They will have to pass some sorts of BS to be sold ..

[sinbad]

You see, that is part of the logic .. if they were lethal, then they couldn't be sold .. nanny state takes care of that ;) They will have to pass some sorts of BS to be sold ..

Remoulds are notorious for delaminating, and the results are potentially far worse on a motorcycle. That's why it surprises me and I don't take the tests as a rock solid guarantee of similar or identical quality. Would you trust your head to a £25 gold-labelled helmet?, we know how lacking the "Gold Label" tests are. Of course they're still legal. I don't trust nanny as much as you do :)

I am genuinely curious about the speed rating, does it change, are they different? Or will a 150mph remould still be ok at 149mph?

[Blue_SV650S]

Remoulds are notorious for delaminating, and the results are potentially far worse on a motorcycle. That's why it surprises me and I don't take the tests as a rock solid guarantee of similar or identical quality. Would you trust your head to a £25 gold-labelled helmet?, we know how lacking the "Gold Label" tests are. Of course they're still legal. I don't trust nanny as much as you do :)

I am genuinely curious about the speed rating, does it change, are they different? Or will a 150mph remould still be ok at 149mph?

Checked the tyre tonight ... has ZR rating on it, so must be up to the job?? ;)

[Razor]

Tomahawk remoulds are alright, used 'em before. A few tyre fitters won't fit them for you so best to ask if you turn up with some and loose wheels.
I want some orange remoulds for my black SV :cool:

[sinbad]

Yes, that's 150mph iirc?

Maybe remoulds have an undeserved bad name, but I buy so few tyres that I really couldn't see the point of "risking it". It would never occur to me consider remoulds.

1 last question: Did it come with any usage limitation conditions or can you treat it like you would any top brand ZR rated tyre?

[Blue_SV650S]

Yes, that's 150mph iirc?

Maybe remoulds have an undeserved bad name, but I buy so few tyres that I really couldn't see the point of "risking it". It would never occur to me consider remoulds.

1 last question: Did it come with any usage limitation conditions or can you treat it like you would any top brand ZR rated tyre?

I didn't buy it new ... it actually came on a spare wheel ;) .. as I had it, I thought I might aswell use it ... :smt069

If it is ZR rated it is ZR rated ... one could presume it has been tested to/at ZR conditions to be allowed that stamp?!?! ... to be fair you will have to have an awesome SV to get anywhere near ZR rating ... my bike refuses to go over ~120 (14t front) ... so ZR is technically OTT ... :rolleyes:

[Blue_SV650S]

So come on then boyz, what you got to say about the ZR rating?!!? :confused:

Prepared to reconsider your preconceptions?!?! :smt002

[rictus01]

So come on then boyz, what you got to say about the ZR rating?!!? :confused:

Prepared to reconsider your preconceptions?!?! :smt002

As I've said I've tried these, and you're right they are ZR rated, and this was just after a couple of mags and MSN had just done a review on them saying how wonderful they were, As I was going threw six or seven rears a year it seemed the ideal solution.

However after the incident my perspection changed somewhat and saving a few quid at the risk of my neck seemed less inviting.

I had a nice long letter from Koncord, explaining about a malfunctioning temprature sensor on one of the production line machines and how it was so extrodinary that this tyre should have made it threw to the point of sale, would I except a brand new pair of Bridgestone tyres by way of appology.

I must say that they rode quite well (although only single compound) on the road,although of course I never had them lng enough to find out the durability.

I'm all for making riding more affordable, but safety has to come first, perhaps I was just unlucky, but it would be foolish to fit them again after such a near call.

I hope you are lucky on them, But don't expect a rush of others to joint you.

Cheers Mark.

[Blue_SV650S]

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Does sound like you had a bad time of it, I can understand your apprehension, I’d be the same. But it does sound like you were unlucky and got a Friday afternoon one (people have had that with branded tyres) that’s not to say every one sheds its tread, if it did then it’d never get its ZR classification.

I am not dismissing the fact that they might be inferior to ‘New’ tyres, but I still reckon they could well be up to the job required (unless you get an unlucky one like you did - but that can happen with 'New' tyres) …

What speed were you doing when yours delaminated?

[rictus01]

I'd had the tyre for 3 days and done about 450 mile on it (had checked it each evening as although I'd used part worn before they were my first remoulds), coming home from Bracknell passed Hampton court so maybe 60 mph, in the dark (no street lighting on that section).

Now over the years I've got to now what just about every sound vibration bump and bang on a motorbike means, although I don't have a great deal of mechanical sympathy for bikes (use them like they were made for) I do have mechanical empathy an know what's going on just about all the time, you can imagine when this happened, the bike turned into a killing machine and only fast recations and wide flat bars saved an otherwise nasty off. the tyre didn't burst but did throw a sectoin of tread down to the supporting structure.

I looked into the manufactor of these tyres in greater detail after this incident, and Koncord were helpful with details, it seems the preperation of the tyre before the tread is applied is done in a different way to new tyres and very temprature critical (it's a step new tyres don't go threw), as the the ZR rating I also asked about this, the critiria is much the same as any other tyre, X amount are tested and these are randomly selected from production runs, so although it's possible for any tyre to fail, it's still more likely a remould will delaminate when that failure happens.

Having said all that, I've covered over one and a half million miles on motorbike tyres and that's the only one to have let me down apart from punctures, if it had been any other make, I wouldn't be using that make again.

It's an unnessisary risk, and it's dangerous enough out there with out it.

Cheers Mark.

[Blue_SV650S]

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over 1.5 million miles?!?!

Holy carp ... how long have you been riding!?!?!? :shock: ... even over 100 years that is still over 15k miles a year ... 50 years over 30k miles ... 25 years (which going by your age is probably about right), over 60k miles a year ... thats over 164 miles a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for 25 years ... you must have a sore botty!! :lol:

[rictus01]

over 1.5 million miles?!?!

Holy carp ... how long have you been riding!?!?!? :shock: ... even over 100 years that is still over 15k miles a year ... 50 years over 30k miles ... 25 years (which going by your age is probably about right), over 60k miles a year ... thats over 164 miles a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year for 25 years ... you must have a sore botty!! :lol:

Last year was a bad year, had to get over the removal of a couple of toes, so not typical at all, but 37,600 miles, had the SV for 2 year 3 months and done 154,000 miles on it, riding on the road 31 years , never been without a bike and it's always been my main transport and passion, so not that hard to understand, personally can't get why anyone would want to use anything else ?

Or to put it in context, Bad day = tank and a half of fuel, good day = two or three .

[rictus01]

Just as a side issue, now I've quantified what biking means to me, take that away for nearly 6 months :shock: , throw in the prospect of Perhaps never riding again, and even if you can add degree of pain that makes it a short hop at most thing ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????


Welcome to my world.

Cheers Mark.

[Blue_SV650S]

... riding on the road 31 years ...

That's an average of ~48k every year over the full 31 years :shock: That's some serious miles dude :shock: ...

Calculating the lot on just current fuel prices - working out at ~£3.99 per gallon and doing an average of 46mpg ... that's over £130,000 on fuel alone!!! .... :shock:

Are you not bored of bikes yet ... how many mortgages do you have?!?! :lol:

[rictus01]

Just the one morgage, but I do have the fuel allowance for a 3.0ltr company car :cool:

Just about done everything on a motorbike you can (although not always very well it has to be said), except funnily enough mini moto, had a o on a couple in car parks and stuff, but that's about it.

Cheers Mark.

[Blue_SV650S]

Just the one morgage, but I do have the fuel allowance for a 3.0ltr company car :cool:

Yet running a more echonomical bike ... creaming the rest off the top ... and for 3 decades ... in which case, surely you have NO mortgages!?! :lol:

[rictus01]

Yet running a more echonomical bike ... creaming the rest off the top ... and for 3 decades ... in which case, surely you have NO mortgages!?! :lol:

I don't get all my fuel costs back, got to get the rest from somewhere, in fact that's a point, I've alway used whatever I had for juice, just what I wanted to spend my money on.

Cheers Mark.

[Stig]

Heatup is good too ... I had steam coming off them by the time I got to work!! :lol:



Don't mean to be pedantic or anything, but my tyres are always steaming when I get to work when it's raining. My commute bike is a very old Deauville with Strada's on. :)

[Blue_SV650S]

Don't mean to be pedantic or anything, but my tyres are always steaming when I get to work when it's raining. My commute bike is a very old Deauville with Strada's on. :)

Just implying that the tyre instills confidence in the wet ... I have had 'nylon' tyres before and they certainly don't and as soon as it was wet you had to pootle!! ;)

Does your commute include motorway? That'll get some heat into them ... my commute is ~6 miles town and ~4 miles national speed limit/twisty bits :)

[Stig]

Does your commute include motorway? That'll get some heat into them ... my commute is ~6 miles town and ~4 miles national speed limit/twisty bits :)

I have the option of both. If the weather is anything less than peeing it down then I have a series of back roads that I can take all the way to work. If not then it's along the A4 and down one junction of the M4.

Best of both you might say. :thumbsup: