I'm new!

[Uberloinvongenchler]

Hello guys and possibly some girls?

i have myself a 2001 sv in black, pretty immaculate and only 13800 miles on the clocks!

I've got just under 7000 miles experience on my aprilia rs50, which i sold in order to fund my new pride and joy!

I passed my bike test just over a week after my 17th so now i can ride with the big boys (well i was held up by most in the tight local twisties on my rs :-p)


one boring point: i got insured with bennetts tpft (again) for £473.12 (exc £25 legal fees). is this good?

Nothing was said about the power to weight ratio being reduced for this year and the following, but i'm getting an F1 international kit on saturday just for the law's sake.

It seems pretty silly tbh because i find the sv far less demanding to ride than my rs!!!! The power is what i would describe as pleasant. and that's coming from someone used to a moped. i'm either incredibly ungrateful or a complete speed-freak - except I'm not - because i love bibbling around on the sv as much as i like giving it some stick up to 59.9mph on the country roads:cool:

anyway, we shall see. once i've go the cirtificate, and built up some more solid experience the restrictor slides might have to accidently fall out...

anyway,

I look forward to organising a ride out with some people!!!

[SV225]

I'm with bennets for this year, since feb, and payed about £330 TPFT with 2 yrs no claims but no legal fees etc. I'm 18 BTW so yours is prop fairly good, I paid £310 last yr for my RS125 with ebike(Still on L's back then).

I have the FI kit which is washers, not slides, in mine.

And hello.:smt039

[Uberloinvongenchler]

is the F1 kit good?

i really don't mind as long as it doesn't make the bike feel lacklustre.

tbh it didn't scare me too much first time (ie today) so i think it's a really great starter bike -but fear of getting bored :( - i've done around 25 miels onit today anyway... and yeah, it's nippy - it runs out of puff a bit 110+ (which i did only once on a long desolte road for which i know every inch of very well).

so yeah, and two up it's nice and solid -suspension isa bit squishy compared to my poised little race bike but ims rue this can be adjusted? (At lerast the rear) which squirms a little if you're even slightly enthusiastic :-(

[SV225]

Is any kit designed to halve the power of your bike good???
When the kit is fitted the acceleration just feels flat and it makes lots of noise and vibrations without really going anywhere.
The full power is easier to ride, I think, as it doesnt feel as stressed and fires out of corners quiet nicely:D
But with the kit in, it still lots of engine braking, fun when coming from a 2 stroke and it still looks just as good (especially since its a curvy ;) )

[kwak zzr]

welcome to sv650.org!

[jambo]

Hello and welcome, one of the intresting things about where you are now is that legally the bike must be restricted, I always had to explain this to totally dis-intrested insurance companies. "Yes I'd like to 1/2 the power of my bike, will this affect my quote? No it's exactly the same" Joy.

It's a legal requirement though and if you do have an off you may find that suddenly people want to see proof the bike was restricted.

For the curvy it's either done as washers, or more usually changes to the carbs to stop the sliders fully opening. it'll feel a bit flat I'm afraid but this is the lot of the young biker:safe:

Jambo

[Uberloinvongenchler]

:safe: hmm. it's not staying in for 2 years - i know that much!

im only doing it for the certificate anyway. i'll leave them in for the first 1000 miles (or until i get a sunny weekend with my toolkit.

i'm a good citizen and moral human being and as a personally responsible person i think the law is limiting my enjoyment of my hobby to an extent which would be immoral - like a curfew - for having it. i'll still ride responsibly, and not aggressively, im just not spending any more of my life being a passive participant on my bike waiting for it to be acceptable to have some fun. besides i need the extra power for the pillion(s) i will regularly take, and yes a certain bike mag i read had the cheek to give it minus points on account of the fact that it struggles two-up!!! :-o - i think that's total ******** unless you want to be doing over a ton with a headwind...as it happens, i wanted to get it done at my local garage and they said it wasn't worth their trouble as infuriatingly, people turn up a week later smiling saying they fell out: "uhuh how long's that gonna last then?" he laughed...LOL!!!:cool:

[monkey]

Hello and welcome newbie!
:)


It's a legal requirement though and if you do have an off you may find that suddenly people want to see proof the bike was restricted.
:safe:


i'm a good citizen and moral human being and as a personally responsible person.....

Sorry to put a downer on things but no matter how good a citizen you are your morals are a bit wonky. If you come off and the bike hits someone/something, as far as I know you wouldn't be technically insured. That then means that you'd be done, and get points or a ban (6 point rule for new riders aint it?) and the person/owner of whatever you hit would have to get the money back from you either directly or through the courts which would still have to come from your pocket. Basically if the old bill turn up, you're up the swanny without a paddle.

Why not try and get the best out of your new bike so that when you can take the restriction off you'll be the mutts nuts?

P.S. I may be wrong with any or all of the above. Do not quote me in a court of law. Your home is at risk if you do not keep up repayments.

;)

[Uberloinvongenchler]

well i'm hardly going to get the condonance of anyone - it's illegal!

BUT, rules are for the guidance the wise and the observance of fools. i'm hardly going to not have it done when i want a certificate etc.

also, i have considered the implications and i can't afford to pay the £650 excess if i do hit anything anyway. in fact, not for some months -actually a year before i have a spare £650, which will be spent on the subsequent year of insurance. also, considering this high excess, i'd have to do something quite deliberate to cause that much damage, that was all my fault...(although my father is quite able to dream up some nightmare scenario involving a brand new BMW M3 or Ferrari)

i'm therefore morally irresponsible for riding without being able to pay the excess, full stop. but hey, it's as good an incentive as i'm going to get not to abuse the power so my selfishness backfires on me in my own interests...anyhow, we shall see what it's like...truly harsh acceleration is undesirable often -it's actually testing on the arms...:-p

[monkey]

also, considering this high excess, i'd have to do something quite deliberate to cause that much damage, that was all my fault...(although my father is quite able to dream up some nightmare scenario involving a brand new BMW M3 or Ferrari)


Wouldn't have said so mate. One good knock on any modern car's rear quarter and that'd suck your excess dry.

You need to think about the risk you'll be putting others at too. Could you live with yourself if you done someone real damage or worse just because you couldn't wait to go a bit faster? The 33bhp law is there for a reason, and it's not to stop young bikers going broke.

By the way are you allowed to carry pillions on a restricted license?

:)

[northwind]

<does the derestriction thread dance>

Been a while since we had one of these :)

I previously wrote:

"it's important that people thinking of doing it themselves understand how much trouble they can get into, I think... A guy I know binned his derestricted RS125, and got found out- he's 18 years old and had to declare bankrupt after the court case, he'll be uninsurable for years and that bankruptcy's going to affect him for far longer... And under the new bankruptcy laws he'll probably still have to repay some of the £20000-odds he owed to the insurance (not sure about that one though) Just for something stupid he did once. I don't feel sorry for him for getting caught, but if he'd known what could happen I'm sure he wouldn't have done it."

I said that about 2 years ago, but he's still stuck on the bus. Most insurers won't touch him as he's got a conviction for insurance fraud... He'd also have to declare it in job applications, etc. I heard he was refused entry to the US as well, they don't look kindly on financial crime., which is what insurance fraud is (as ridiculous as that sounds)

I'm not going to disapprove of you or anything, it's your choice, but know what you could be getting into.

Incidentally, people always say "You're technically uninsured" or "what if you hit someone" in these threads. 3rd party insurance can't be invalidated by the actions of the insured party, that was outlawed years ago- you could be riding a 600bhp Busa on CBT and that would still be the case. Also, excesses don't apply to third parties IIRC (been a while since I worked in GI, but I'm pretty sure they don't)

But the insurers will take it out of your skin afterwards. And then you get to pay for any damages caused, while not recovering a penny of your own losses or injuries, and if you're really lucky you'll also be paying off court costs as well.

The F1 kit's good, as restrictors go... Doesn't just cripple the bike, or muck up the fuelling, or anything daft like that.

[monkey]

Incidentally, people always say "You're technically uninsured" or "what if you hit someone" in these threads. 3rd party insurance can't be invalidated by the actions of the insured party, that was outlawed years ago- you could be riding a 600bhp Busa on CBT and that would still be the case. Also, excesses don't apply to third parties IIRC (been a while since I worked in GI, but I'm pretty sure they don't)



Interesting that little lot! I stand very well adjusted.

[Baph]

Welcome to the forum!

De-restriction? Well, we're all big boys (or girls, or post/pre ops, whatever). You do whatever you see fit at the time. The facts have been (and will be again & again & again) presented. It all boils down to the fact that if you don't have it restricted, regardless of fault, you have no insurance because your licence doesn't cover you to ride your bike. Because you have no insurance, that brings automatic blame & automatic punishments. Facts are facts.

Other than that, bugger me, your bike is 5 years older than mine & has less milage :(

Northy, I disagree, if you have no licence, you cannot legally claim on someone elses insurance.

[northwind]

Northy, I disagree, if you have no licence, you cannot legally claim on someone elses insurance.

Not on someone else's insurance, no. Well, yes and no, but it'd be hard to do. But a lot of people think that if you hit a third party, they can't claim against your insurance if your license was invalid, which isn't the case.

[ASM-Forever]

By the way are you allowed to carry pillions on a restricted license?

:)

Yes i am sure you can...Alpinestarhero(Matt?) does and he seems the law abiding type :smt061

[Alpinestarhero]

Dont let the restricotrs fall out :) My bike is restricted, and I'm having loads of fun. Remember - an SV is a dam sight heavier than your RS50, so take time to get used to handling all that extra weight before going silly with all the extra power! Baph can tell you a few stories about his rides on his SV where having full power has got him into a spot of "brown trouser"...

Matt

[Alpinestarhero]

Yes i am sure you can...Alpinestarhero(Matt?) does and he seems the law abiding type :smt061

Yes, extremly law abiding. :rolleyes:

Matt

[Alpinestarhero]

Why not try and get the best out of your new bike so that when you can take the restriction off you'll be the mutts nuts?


;)

Shhhh! Thats my master plan!!!!!

Matt

[northwind]

Shhhh! Thats my master plan!!!!!


Seemed to work alright for Daz, he was as quick on his restricted K3 as anyone else last time I was out with it, except on the straights... And who cares about the straights?

I reckon that the year I spent hustling my Virago 125 with it's 13bhp around transferred brilliantly onto the SV- since it was soooo slow to get from 30 to 60, you really had to conserve that corner speed. And since it turned like a barge, that meant nailing the right line. I've got a lot lazier since then, though.

[Baph]

Dont let the restricotrs fall out :) My bike is restricted, and I'm having loads of fun. Remember - an SV is a dam sight heavier than your RS50, so take time to get used to handling all that extra weight before going silly with all the extra power! Baph can tell you a few stories about his rides on his SV where having full power has got him into a spot of "brown trouser"...

Matt
Hey now, my riding isn't THAT bad!!

[Uberloinvongenchler]

Yeah, but i rode an rs50 for a year, which means i was uninsred all along anyway lol...

i appreciate it's bad, but if i have an accident, i probably won't/won't be able to ride again. and i just discovered I have £7k+ in savings which i'd sooner pay in the event of an accident, than claim on my insurance. in fact i figured that if i ever did make a claim, my insurance would be so high next time round, plus the excess money i would be paying, that i wouldn't be able to afford to ride again for another 5+ years anyway...that is actually the case lol - i figured it would take me 7 years to restart!

and yes, my bike is now restricted and legal, but i can assure you all, it BLOODY SUCKS. the fuelling is dreadful between 6-7k rpm and it struggles to do 80mph on the flat.(my 50 could comfortably manage 70!!!) it builds up nicely to 6k and sputters and chokes and just vibrates slowly up to redline. 5th and certainly 6th gear are absolutely redundant so cruising on the motorway is high revs and a pain in the ****.

overtakes are a nightmare.

and i've ressumed my bad habits again of speeding a bit here and there to compensate. the restrictor kit is making (for lack of a better word) me a worse rider! My riding was exemplary -smooth and slick b4 but now it feels messy with that flat spot. whoever made htis stupid law needs to be assassinated, shortly after changing it. and they want an EU 3 directive!!

wtf is this world coming to!?

it is absurd.

insurers should interview people to decide who should be allowed to ride what. the restricted bike also encourages you to thrash the bike, which is disgusting...

maybe they did a bad job of restricting it?i wouldn't mind ti half so much if it smoothly revved, but it doesn't!

right well i'll try and put up with it for some time...i think it's gonna be a dangerous on the motorway though, which is where i intend to spend a lot of my time...

[Tiger 55]

maybe they did a bad job of restricting it?i
Maybe they did :rolleyes:

But if you're only living with it for 1000 miles for moral reasons then why not ride to the south of France and back and get it over with?

[ASM-Forever]

If you rode without insurance then why would you be concerned about it being restricted. Personally i hope you derestrict it, get pulled and lose your licence...too many tossers on the road as it is!

[Uberloinvongenchler]

If you rode without insurance then why would you be concerned about it being restricted. Personally i hope you derestrict it, get pulled and lose your licence...too many tossers on the road as it is!

i've never ridden in my life without insurance! - waht i meant was , all rs 50's are de-restricted and therefore do more than 50km/h (like more than twice that) and so technically insurance is invalidated...

and i ride very sensibly... i have ridden many bikes and in my limited experience i can say any bike that needs to be thrashed to make progress is not promoting a safe ridding style per se. take unrestricted 50cc mopeds - they do 45mph in town as well as out of it... on my sv, i'd stick religiously to 30's, knowing i can own anything else later on the main road. the 6-7k problem seems to have cleared up a bit now so it's not quite so unbearable.

also, how would losing my license make me a better rider? -it seems that's what the EU3 directive is saying -if we effectively ban people from passing their DAS up to 24 instead of 21, then fewer people will die on motorbikes each year...well our statisticians sharp these days...


it's getting that way with cars too. i'm bloody sick of being told by schemes that come to our 6th form how crap we all are at driving. yet those same people fail to point out that it's the oh-so-experienced prats who knock bikers off

-im going off at a tangent i know -

what they don't seem to get is that you can actually rehearse a bad habit. one day two road users find each other both making the mistake and hoping someone will compensate and that's not just young people doing it "wrong".

if youing people are going to drive fast (and yes of course they are) then why don't tehy teach us -as such fine models of efficient and safe driving - how to?

lol - i love this line i'm reading here in this "advise" booklet: "young people need to recognise that the road is not a place for fun but a functional tool to get from A to B."

-now say that with a german accent. OUR VODZ VIL BE USED VITH NO FUN VAT ZO EVER!:rolleyes:

right well i need to find someway to make biking more fun without more than 33bhp. hmm...rs50 was fun...that 8.68...

[Uberloinvongenchler]

Maybe they did :rolleyes:

But if you're only living with it for 1000 miles for moral reasons then why not ride to the south of France and back and get it over with?

it will take me ages to do 1000 miles... - at least 2 months...and i ahve no moeny left for fuel for some time as i owe £500 insurance to my old man.

[Paws]

. Personally i hope you derestrict it, get pulled and lose your licence...too many tossers on the road as it is!

i agree here!
Your restricted to 33bhp for a reason, dont like it? shouldnt have bought a big bike then until you were able to ride one full power.Its muppets like you that push our insurance up when you have an accident! Lad i work with has a cbr600rr 05 plate, with restrictors in, and hes quite happy to keep them in until they are due to come out

[John 675]

i agree here!
Your restricted to 33bhp for a reason, dont like it? shouldnt have bought a big bike then until you were able to ride one full power.Its muppets like you that push our insurance up when you have an accident! Lad i work with has a cbr600rr 05 plate, with restrictors in, and hes quite happy to keep them in until they are due to come out

getting a bit heated hear isnt it, better all just cool off lol, i agree with what your both saying but i dont think new guy is explaining it correctly leading to a false conclusion, or maybe im just wrong lol,??? i dont care ive been @ work for 10 1/2 hours listening to winging customers lol, im very tired

lol, :p

[Paws]

Try working with whinging/pain in the ar*se/p*ss taking "collegues"...i loove my customers though!

[Uberloinvongenchler]

i agree here!
Your restricted to 33bhp for a reason, dont like it? shouldnt have bought a big bike then until you were able to ride one full power.Its muppets like you that push our insurance up when you have an accident! Lad i work with has a cbr600rr 05 plate, with restrictors in, and hes quite happy to keep them in until they are due to come out

anyone who has an accident, but which is their fault (a contradiction in terms, sorry) pushes the insurance prices up. i don't see how invalidated insurance can count against anyone but the individual in possession of it. i'd say i haven't crashed yet, but i don't want to tempt fate: and i don't. i should think you could ride my restricted bike like a muppet - it'll still get to 85 pretty sharpish (it seems to ahve sorted itself out a bit :s) but that doesn't mean i'd do it?

i don't know how you can judge me tbh...- i was always known as the grandad on teh aprilia forum because i pratteld on about safe riding and didn't take any risks. i am one of a very small percentage of them who haven't crashed, and i intend to maintain a good track record by maintaining my bike well, taking advanced training, and reading and applying professional advice.

i'm not restricted to 33bhp for any reason in paricular - in fact according to your own argument, if im a muppet anyway then the restriction is for whate exactly? you're "restricted" to the same speed limits as any one else, me included, so power doesn't really come into the equation when it comes to fulfilling all other legal requirements. i just think the law is not necessarily that beneficial. i have never had the balls to ride like a tit...i did 100 miles on the bike unrestricted, and never once did a wheelie, stoppie, and stuck to all 30 and 40 speed limits...and im 17. i think that's impressive self-discipline...but i'm still a muppet i suppose cos im prepared to ris my life riding a bike anyway:rolleyes:

i also wear a relfective jacket always and decent protective gear -something which about 90% of other teenage riders seem incompetent of doing -now that's blossoming stupidity!

[Paws]

anyone who has an accident, but which is their fault (a contradiction in terms, sorry) pushes the insurance prices up. i don't see how invalidated insurance can count against anyone but the individual in possession of it. i'd say i haven't crashed yet, but i don't want to tempt fate: and i don't. i should think you could ride my restricted bike like a muppet - it'll still get to 85 pretty sharpish (it seems to ahve sorted itself out a bit :s) but that doesn't mean i'd do it?

i don't know how you can judge me tbh...- i was always known as the grandad on teh aprilia forum because i pratteld on about safe riding and didn't take any risks. i am one of a very small percentage of them who haven't crashed, and i intend to maintain a good track record by maintaining my bike well, taking advanced training, and reading and applying professional advice.

i'm not restricted to 33bhp for any reason in paricular - in fact according to your own argument, if im a muppet anyway then the restriction is for whate exactly? you're "restricted" to the same speed limits as any one else, me included, so power doesn't really come into the equation when it comes to fulfilling all other legal requirements. i just think the law is not necessarily that beneficial. i have never had the balls to ride like a tit...i did 100 miles on the bike unrestricted, and never once did a wheelie, stoppie, and stuck to all 30 and 40 speed limits...and im 17. i think that's impressive self-discipline...but i'm still a muppet i suppose cos im prepared to ris my life riding a bike anyway:rolleyes:

i also wear a relfective jacket always and decent protective gear -something which about 90% of other teenage riders seem incompetent of doing -now that's blossoming stupidity!

well if your sooo good..why are you taking the restrictors out?? :rolleyes:
and im finding its more sprts bike riders than teenagers now that cant be bothered to wear protective gear.

[Rich]

i did 100 miles on the bike unrestricted, and never once did a wheelie, stoppie, and stuck to all 30 and 40 speed limits...and im 17. i think that's impressive self-discipline...

I'm 18 and have 33bhp restriction and i'm sticking to it, it's not about self discipline sticking to the law. The laws there for a reason, i think your being abit of a a2se really. It's not one rule for you and one for everyone else!!!

Hope you get pulled and what you deserve!!!

[ASM-Forever]

At the end of the day you can offer as many arguments as you like, but whether you chose to obey the law and keep the restrictors in is entirely up to you. All the waffle you have offered wont stand up to Mr.Plod or in court!

IMO a 33BHP SV650 is enough bike for most people who have just turned 17. You have come from an RS50 and that is already a big step up!

You also seem very ****sure for someone with so little experience on the road....i dont know many riders of any age who are "exemplary", let alone at just about 17.

You have also made a point of mentioning that you are not loaded.... So why risk having an accident....they do happen, your fault or not? The insurance companies look for any feasible reason not to pay out and your unrestricted bike, as you well know, invalidates your insurance. You will then be banned and also have to pay for any damages. How will your finances look then?

I do share some of your contempt for the EU red tape and legislation...but IMO very few 17yr olds can safely ride big unrestricted bikes.

I therefore cordially invite you to implement some of your now famous "impressive self-discipline" and keep the bike restricted :)

[Uberloinvongenchler]

why is that law there? "the laws there for a reason" - well duh! oh course. but it might to fulfil its purpose very well...

for example, 50cc mopeds ridden by 16 year olds must be restricted to 50km/h. the reason? to improve their safety. the reality? even more likely to be hit by a car on a country road.

this is a case in point for where the law fails to achieve it's original purpose. instead of youngsters having the personal *responsible* attitude to *chose* not to exceed the speed limits, they are not given the opportunity to rehearse any sort of discipline.

this is where personal responsibility comes into conflict with the law. the law prevents young people from taking responsibility because they are deemed incapable of doing so. then when tehy finally get it, they go mad - not because they cant be responsible but because tehy ahve been starved of the opportunity to develop any good sense og judgement. - like drinking! :-p

i am so glad i gained my experience on a 50 with some go, because id surely be a speed merchant if i hadn't have been able to travel at regular speeds...

[Uberloinvongenchler]

At the end of the day you can offer as many arguments as you like, but whether you chose to obey the law and keep the restrictors in is entirely up to you. All the waffle you have offered wont stand up to Mr.Plod or in court!

IMO a 33BHP SV650 is enough bike for most people who have just turned 17. You have come from an RS50 and that is already a big step up!

You also seem very ****sure for someone with so little experience on the road....i dont know many riders of any age who are "exemplary", let alone at just about 17.

You have also made a point of mentioning that you are not loaded.... So why risk having an accident....they do happen, your fault or not? The insurance companies look for any feasible reason not to pay out and your unrestricted bike, as you well know, invalidates your insurance. You will then be banned and also have to pay for any damages. How will your finances look then?

I do share some of your contempt for the EU red tape and legislation...but IMO very few 17yr olds can safely ride big unrestricted bikes.

I therefore cordially invite you to implement some of your now famous "impressive self-discipline" and keep the bike restricted :)

but i wouldn't consider anyone who rode an unrestricted bike as lacking in self discipline, provided they still rode within the law, i'd consider it greater self discipline.

my grandfather used to smoke 6 months on and 6 months off to prove he had the self discipline to stop -*should he chose to*

ergo, my decision would not be bourne out of a lack of self discipline...it's simply a preference...

i wouldn't do what my mate did and get a gsxr1000 *restricted-wink-wink* - now that's a irresponsible attitude. tbh though this sv doesnt feel like a big step up, even wen it was full power, because as i said i dont actually have the balls to go flying about - and besides full acceleration is really harsh on the arms...maybe ill get an rs125 4 a while instead...

anyhow, paybe ill try and organise a trip out somewhere to distract me... :-p

also i don't think many born-again 50 year old bikers can handle larger bikes...

[rictus01]

OK, I’ve reviewed this thread and think all the points have been cover (both the wise and not so ones) and now are getting circular in nature.

In order to reasonably discuss the laws in relation to bikes, it’s perhaps better to start without the “the restrictor slides might have to accidently fall out...”.



Any problems with this feel free to PM me.

Cheers Mark.