Petrol in the Face

[Messie]

I've just had the most frightening experience.

Just starting to fill up the bike when the nozzle slips a little and petrol sprays into my face. Right in my eyes, mouth, nose, everything. I screamed, cos the stinging was awful. I couldn't open my eyes and I felt completely blind and helpless.

I called out for help and a young chap came over. He wanted to help but didn't know what to do. He ran inside to ask the attendant but came running back again because he couldn't help. He then realised that washing with water might help so led me to where the air and water stuff is and washed me as best he could. He left then - many many thanks young man.

Then,as I could see a bit, I went into the shop for more help. I expected the attandant to help me but he just started telling me off for sitting on the bike while filling it. My skin and eyes were burning by this point and I asked for his help. He said he'd phone his manager! I asked for the first aid box but he said it only had bandages for hands in it and refused to find it. I got a bit stroppy then (tell you the truth I was in pain and scared). He found the first aid box with some opened, out of date eye wash in it. I couldn't possibly use that but another customer had realised what had happened and had some Boots eyedrops in her bag. They helped quite a bit.

Some time later I rode home. I've washed and washed but the smell of petrol won't go away. My eyes are sore, my skin is burning, I've got a foul headache and I feel sick. I think the original splashing was my own fault but I'm shocked at the attitude and lack of help offered by the forecourt employee. I shall be complaining when their customer services opens on Monday. Others customers there were very, very helpful. Two of them even said how nice my bike was.

So please be careful when filling up.

[ArtyLady]

how awful for you, and quite honestly I think they should have offered far more first aid and assitance than that - maybe even called for paramedics?!. As for ticking you off, I often fill up whilst sitting on the bike, learnt it from my instructors on my DAS! Do get medical advice if you keep feeling grotty.

[Kinvig]

I've just had the most frightening experience.

Just starting to fill up the bike when the nozzle slips a little and petrol sprays into my face. Right in my eyes, mouth, nose, everything. I screamed, cos the stinging was awful. I couldn't open my eyes and I felt completely blind and helpless.

I called out for help and a young chap came over. He wanted to help but didn't know what to do. He ran inside to ask the attendant but came running back again because he couldn't help. He then realised that washing with water might help so led me to where the air and water stuff is and washed me as best he could. He left then - many many thanks young man.

Then,as I could see a bit, I went into the shop for more help. I expected the attandant to help me but he just started telling me off for sitting on the bike while filling it. My skin and eyes were burning by this point and I asked for his help. He said he'd phone his manager! I asked for the first aid box but he said it only had bandages for hands in it and refused to find it. I got a bit stroppy then (tell you the truth I was in pain and scared). He found the first aid box with some opened, out of date eye wash in it. I couldn't possibly use that but another customer had realised what had happened and had some Boots eyedrops in her bag. They helped quite a bit.

Some time later I rode home. I've washed and washed but the smell of petrol won't go away. My eyes are sore, my skin is burning, I've got a foul headache and I feel sick. I think the original splashing was my own fault but I'm shocked at the attitude and lack of help offered by the forecourt employee. I shall be complaining when their customer services opens on Monday. Others customers there were very, very helpful. Two of them even said how nice my bike was.

So please be careful when filling up.


Think you need to have a bl**dy strong word with their head office & Health & Safety.

[John 675]

The company has liability for not having the correct first aid equipmant regardless of the fact it was your fault, if the eyewash is out of date they are breaching the health and safety laws,
sue their asses you are gaurenteed to win compo for it
Trust me!
if any illness or damage is caused by incompitance of employees even in the event of an accident its classed as gross misconduct, and the station will have CCTV to prove it with audio. and on the forecourt.

You will Win

Let me know what you think and how it goes

John

[Law]

Sounds like a terrifying experience. Hope you feel better soon.

I can't believe how unhelpful that attendant was. I hope you give them hell.

:grouphug:

[socommk23]

sorry i just feel like saying...in a loving way of course..."dumbass"!

lol you should have got more help than you did. lucky someone there gave a damn, thats rare as it is nowadays.

but hey...you would have thought that handling flamable liquid would need more attention!

[mister c]

The company has liability for not having the correct first aid equipmant regardless of the fact it was your fault, if the eyewash is out of date they are breaching the health and safety laws,
sue their asses you are gaurenteed to win compo for it
Trust me!
if any illness or damage is caused by incompitance of employees even in the event of an accident its classed as gross misconduct, and the station will have CCTV to prove it with audio. and on the forecourt.

You will Win

Let me know what you think and how it goes

John

Here Here. They should have a qualified first aider on site, which should be posted up in the shop. The assistant should have known the drill & got it sorted as soon as poss.
Glad you're ok, that's the main thing, but I would look at getting some legal advice, don't leave it too long.

[kwak zzr]

i'm always carefull when filling the bike as not to spill any because its to bl@@dy expencive! sorry to hear this messie i hope you ok.

[Messie]

I'm not really the sueing type. After all, the initial mistake was mine.
I'm just saddened and worried about the employee's response. What I really want is the company to take responsibility for reprimanding the guy and ensuring they are all trained in the correct responses for the future.
I have to do that seemingly boring H & S stuff with my team and I always say that 'it could happen' when they question why they have to do things.

Now I've calmed down a bit I think I might've given that young helpful chap a bit of a scare. Slightly 'ahem' older female on large bike screaming for help - I must've looked totally deranged!

[Richie]

Sorry to here of your wows, :smt089
I've done it, but not on a bike. and yes it bloody stings to high heaven and back. after an eye wash the medic told me to stand and face the wind as the fuel would evaporate off...:smt014 I told the young medic to do the same.

[BILLY]

That's the best thing to do is rinse with plenty of fresh water but I would go to A+E or your docs to get your eyes checked out to make sure there ok! Remember you ony get one pair of eyes!!!

Hope I haven't worried you to much but I'm a quallified first aider.

[seedy100]

My advice, for what its worth is go to A & E and get your eyes looked at.

I did something similar with toluene many years ago.
I got some eyedrops that REALLY helped with the stinging.

Eyes are to important to take risks with.

BTW I expect that you will find that your screen is ruined as well, the petrol will probably have caused cloudy patches on it.

[gettin2dizzy]

so they didn't get the first aid kit out because they knew that it was useless. That mention alone would get the manager in serious ****!

[Tiger 55]

I'm not really the sueing type.
Good for you Messie, but I wouldn't let the company know that...

[Messie]

Thanks for the sympathy and advise guys. I'm feeling a bit better now although it all feels like one giant hangover. I'm worried that you suggest A & E cos I'm on babysitting duty tonight but I'm tough! :confused:

[Alpinestarhero]

I've just had the most frightening experience.

Just starting to fill up the bike when the nozzle slips a little and petrol sprays into my face. Right in my eyes, mouth, nose, everything. I screamed, cos the stinging was awful. I couldn't open my eyes and I felt completely blind and helpless.

I called out for help and a young chap came over. He wanted to help but didn't know what to do. He ran inside to ask the attendant but came running back again because he couldn't help. He then realised that washing with water might help so led me to where the air and water stuff is and washed me as best he could. He left then - many many thanks young man.

Then,as I could see a bit, I went into the shop for more help. I expected the attandant to help me but he just started telling me off for sitting on the bike while filling it. My skin and eyes were burning by this point and I asked for his help. He said he'd phone his manager! I asked for the first aid box but he said it only had bandages for hands in it and refused to find it. I got a bit stroppy then (tell you the truth I was in pain and scared). He found the first aid box with some opened, out of date eye wash in it. I couldn't possibly use that but another customer had realised what had happened and had some Boots eyedrops in her bag. They helped quite a bit.

Some time later I rode home. I've washed and washed but the smell of petrol won't go away. My eyes are sore, my skin is burning, I've got a foul headache and I feel sick. I think the original splashing was my own fault but I'm shocked at the attitude and lack of help offered by the forecourt employee. I shall be complaining when their customer services opens on Monday. Others customers there were very, very helpful. Two of them even said how nice my bike was.

So please be careful when filling up.

Glad you are ok - petrol in the eyes can be extremly damaging, since it can easily cross to the intraoccular space (in the middle of the eye) and do real bad damage to everything. I would suggest you get an eye test, just to be safe.

I thought about what i would do many times it petrol got in my eyes, i guess running into the shop and grabbing a water bottle (you can feel what a big bottle of mineral water is like, they are always square and have a ribbed bit near the middle).

Toluee in eyes?! Holy crap

Matt

Matt

[Beenz]

Sounds like you had a real scare there Messie, it's yery easy to splash petrol when filling. Some people just don't get the message on how serious it can be. Get your eyes checked out though as soon as you can.

[Messie]

[quote=alpinestarhero;1140440]Glad you are ok - petrol in the eyes can be extremly damaging, since it can easily cross to the intraoccular space (in the middle of the eye) and do real bad damage to everything. I would suggest you get an eye test, just to be safe.


STOP IT!!!:smt089

[The Basket]

Not sure what A+E can do for you.

Rinse rinse rinse with plenty of water...thats the way

[Balky001]

Messie

Hope you're OK. Keep the lid on next time and if they complain they can't see your face give them both barrells - I'd persoanlly go ape at their head office as they are failing to secure the safeguard of their patrons. You might not want to push it as you feel it was your fault but you didn't do it on purpose and had the accident happened due to a faulty valve or hose, the staff should be trained to deal with this. Pursue it.

[kcowgergmm]

i just wanted to say hahahahahaha ok im sorry i just had to but that sucks i got a drop of gas in my eye before and it really really sucks

[Filipe M.]

Christ, not a good experience at all! :shock: How are you feeling now? :?

[philipMac]

Jaysus...
I had an incident in a water polo match (finger in the eye, torn lid, lots and lots of blood) and I thought I was going to lose the sight in that eye.
Very very scary feeling.
I was terrified to let go of my face in case my eyeball fell out.

At least you had the presence of mind to not panic and get it washed.

Look after yourself. :cyclops:

[Baph]

Blooming heck!

As others have said, at the scene, you should of had your eyes thoroughly washed out. As Matt said, I'd of been going though bottles of water like there were no tomorrow. The water line for cars is ok, but you can't gurantee the quality of the pipework (contaminants in the water? It aint designed to be drinking water). Sort of a lesser of two evils really.

Then, instead of the employee threatening to call his manager, he should of insisted on calling an ambulance. You were physically unable to move your vehicle due to an accident on their premesis (due to inially being blind). When you regained partial sight, you were still unsafe to be on the bike. I'm guessing at least almost full vision was restored, but as you said, you were still in pain (face burning). You should not of ridden your bike. I know you did what you saw best, and I wasn't there, but next time, please dont! (Next time, not spilling the petrol might help too ;) )

Since you do the H&S stuff with work, you know the implications of first aid equipment being out of date. Even if you don't want to pursue legal action because of sheer incompetance, this needs mentionning to the company. I'd give them a time scale, and tell them that you will be checking (any member of public can request the first aid kit for any reason). If it's found that after your time has elapsed that they've done nothing, complain to somone like Trading Standards. They need to get a lot of things corrected, quickly!

Not sure what A+E can do for you.

Rinse rinse rinse with plenty of water...thats the way

They will ensure the eyes are rinsed properly, and can check the eyes to see if there's any damage.

you didn't do it on purpose and had the accident happened due to a faulty valve or hose, the staff should be trained to deal with this. Pursue it.
I have to agree with Balky001. I always sit on my bike to fill it. I refuse to buy fuel from petrol stations that won't let me (you can fit more fuel in with the bike upright & rocking, by partially filling the air pockets - only do this in cold weather though!).

I've had a bit of splash back from a fuel pump a couple of times, but it's only ever gone as far as the tank. If it spashed up to your face & you were sitting on the bike even remotely normally, there is something wrong with that pump. Either pressure is too high, the valve is faulty, or the hose (metal part at the end) is damaged. It needs a maintenance check.

You've said you're not the suing type, good. I can't stand people that are. But if you don't persue this, it's only a matter of time until it happens again to you, or to someone else.

Also, since others have scared you about the state of your eyes, go get them checked, if only to give you peace of mind :)

[John 675]

Totaly agree with baph, but i still say sue the sh!t out of them, if that guy had not helped you what would the store attendant have done? nothing thats all and just sat there and watched, i am not also the sueing type and i never have its just the sheer neglagence, when your bloody eyes are on the line, even if you dont go for compo you should still court case it in my opinion, because people should know what to do! what if petrol catched on fire, would the feckin plum have called his manager then... ? probably and before 999 lol,
:D

[Baph]

Totaly agree with baph, but i still say sue the sh!t out of them, if that guy had not helped you what would the store attendant have done? nothing thats all and just sat there and watched, i am not also the sueing type and i never have its just the sheer neglagence, when your bloody eyes are on the line, even if you dont go for compo you should still court case it in my opinion, because people should know what to do! what if petrol catched on fire, would the feckin plum have called his manager then... ? probably and before 999 lol,
:D
Yup, and he'd do it on his mobile I bet (contraditary to all those signs next to the pumps!)

[Tiger 55]

Messie, you're going to have to go and get your eyes looked at because we are just going to go on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on on and on and on and not stopping about it until you do. :smt075

[Quiff Wichard]

not read it all so might be repeating but

yes- the initial error was yours- but- they HAVE to have systems in place and trained first aiders on site surely- its a fekin petrol station.. should be a pre requisite that the staff know how to deal with spillage and eye contact/skin exposure....
I seriously would call them - e mail them and registered mail them with your concerns and infer further action..


and I always fill my bike up sitting on it- you need to tokeep it level .. !

go the docs.u only get two eyes messie. (oh unless u r male ;) )

[Quiff Wichard]

Messie

Hope you're OK. Keep the lid on next time and if they complain they can't see your face give them both barrells - I'd persoanlly go ape at their head office as they are failing to secure the safeguard of their patrons. You might not want to push it as you feel it was your fault but you didn't do it on purpose and had the accident happened due to a faulty valve or hose, the staff should be trained to deal with this. Pursue it.

good call... - just re read the whole thread.. ..

I would still fill up on the bike- and keep your helmet ON and visor down... thenwhen alls secure-
remove helmet to walk in and pay .. or pay at pump.. then u can keep helmt on all the time..

dont want to get into do u take u helmet off to pay cashier--- cos in my opinion you should- its scarey for them - but do it on the way in

[Quiff Wichard]

oh and



GO AND GET YOUR EYES CHECKED OVER.!!!

[sv650nutter149]

dam,n sounds like u had a close call...... i had a similar thing happen couple of months ago... and about a week ago some left over petrol dripped from hose on to me engine and started to smoke so i legged it inside garage to ask where extinguser was and u know what the reply from the attendent was.......? er dunno where it is mate look for it ur self i was like wtf by this time it stopped smoking and just left it at that.... spoke to one of my mates who works down at fire station bout it next thing i know the attendent is getting a right bollocking from fire guy lol serves him right i guess.....

go carefully when filling ne vehicle up

[thedonal]

This sounds nasty- sorry to hear it. I had a fuelling klutz on my bike- luckily nothing like this, but did end up with petrol all over my tank, gloves and jacket. I urged people near me not to light a fag for hours. Took a scrub down and a day for the stink to go...

It's worth thinking of at least a letter re the health and safety aspects of this though- clearly they need to know something's wrong so they can fix it.

I hope you've made a 'fuel' recovery now though. *






* sorry, sorry- I really couldn't resist it! A wisecrack with the best possible intentions! :D

[Red ones]

Here Here. They should have a qualified first aider on site, which should be posted up in the shop. The assistant should have known the drill & got it sorted as soon as poss.
Glad you're ok, that's the main thing, but I would look at getting some legal advice, don't leave it too long.

Bizarrely enough there is no legal obligation to have a First Aider on site.
You could argue that they do have a Duty of Care. You could argue that you have suffered loss/injury. THe question is whether they have a liability. You would need to argue that they accident could be foreseeable and that they were not adequstely prepared (i.e. the out of date / used eye wash). A simple no win no fee case would not be difficult.


Oh - sorry to hear too!

[Balky001]

Red Ones is right but the HSE Gov website (http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-59a.htm#para20) states

The types of spillages described in paragraphs 'a' and 'b' can be easily dealt with by trained staff using the dry sand or other absorbent material, which should be available. The likelihood of a customer's clothing or skin being contaminated with petrol in the circumstances outlined in paragraph 'c' should not be discounted. Staff should be trained in how to deal with such a situation and there should be facilities available for a customer to wash the affected parts of their body and remove contaminated clothing. Consideration should be given to keeping a supply of disposable cover-all suits for use by customer....

Ignoring customers and teling them they shouldn't sit on a bike when filling up isn't what I'd call adequate training. They also did not appear to offer the basic facilities outlined. Definately a case to pursue.

[chazzyb]

Very nasty. I got petrol in my face, not my eyes fortunately, and it stung like buggery. I once swallowed some petrol when trying to syphon it out of my father's car. Yeuch, every time I belched (not that I make a habit of it) for a couple of days. I got a reminder.

I managed to splash brake cleaner into one eye an week ago. That buggered the sight in it for an evening - I couldn't focus. It had recovered by the morning. Not recommended.

[Demonz]

Messie sorry to hear about your accident. This is a petrol attendent though - not medically trained and doubtful to be 1st aider trained or know even how to "manage" a situation like this so you cant really expect them to step up and take control of the situation - or can you??? With eyes I always go for the water myself - tap, bottle whatever

[Uberloinvongenchler]

A very similar thing happened to me.

I went to fill up at Tesco as usual, except the pump i habitually use was taken, so I went to a different one... (wow!)

...now u ahve to press a button to pay at the desk rather than at the pump, so i did, and this normally engages the pump. i was off my bike standing by it, and i had the nozzle in the tank, helmet on and visor up. except this pump the thing didnt engage. i kept squeezing the trigger, and it didnt work, so i turned around to press the button again and the instant i pressed it and sqeezed the trigger it blasted out (normally takes a second to 'fire up'). except the nozzle had moved slightly out so it sprayed off the filler sidewall and up into my face!

i was in such pain momentarily i thought i was going to go blind but i was actually half laughing at the same time to myself because it felt like a trigger happy tv moment it was so rediculous lol.

i had those gloves and helmt off bloody sharpish and was blinking like mad. i didn't grab a bottle i jsut went to the till to ask for eye wash, feeling rather embarassed. a first aider came and administered eye drops and said sorry about the pump and that i wouldn't ahve to pay. then he went -surprisingly efficient for tesco!

however the woman at the til wanted to charge me 42p for waht sprayed in my eyes so i told her where to go and that if she had a problem i'd get chief executive of tesco (actually a member of the other side of my family) to fire her via my mobile) - i cannot believe as a result of their faulty pump (despite my misplacement) causing me injury it would be possible for someone to say suggest such a thing.

ironic that the "pump out of order" signs appeared later that afternoon.

anyhow, jsut to let you know my vision is apprantly oddly good at least in my left eye, so it really doesn't affect your eyesight. - your eyes spend their whole time self cleaning so for the most part tehy get a pretty easy job. hopepfully you should be fine and a doctors consultation or opticians test shouldn't be necessary unless you suffer any difficulties with sight or pain the next day.

hoep you are ok!;):cyclops:

[21QUEST]

Messie, sorry to hear about your incident and hopefully all is well with you. Good to hear, you don't subscribe to "sue everybody" mantra.

I have my thought on the action of the ill equiped etc attendant but I doubt it was solely because of him wanting to be an A-hole per se. Of course inadequate training is the obvious and I'll leave it at that.

I have to say I find some of the "sue this sue that" being bandied about amusing.
Wonder how many folks have all the stuff they seem to think should have been on site(yes I understand all the H&S bits) and indeed have gone for any first aid training themselves....and that's just for the protection of ones own family.
For sure some do and that's good thing. How many people have a fire extinguisher etc in the car?

We complain that we live in an age where people want to pass on the blame for everthing onto others but yet that's exactly what most seem to be doing here. I bet if petrol stations were to make everyone fill their bikes on the side stand, X amount of folks would be up in arms.
I how ever agree that it should be mentioned to the company.

By the way, there was no fire caused by ignited petrol etc ;)


Ben

[21QUEST]

A very similar thing happened to me.

I went to fill up at Tesco as usual, except the pump i habitually use was taken, so I went to a different one... (wow!)

....

My guess is that the button on the pump tells the attendant to activate the pump for a "till" paying customer. I'll still class the incident as the fault of the customer ie you. Moi, I'll be cross with myself for not making sure my nozzle was in the right hole before pulling the trigger.

Also the "pump out of order" sign doesn't necessarily meant the pump was faulty. Could have been taken out of service because no petrol was available to that pump ;) .

Good to hear you were happy with the care received following the incident.


Ben

[Uberloinvongenchler]

I beg to differ!:p

the pumps always have signs wrapped round each one, but this had cones round it too - which is not common practice where they are merely waiting to be refuelled.

and as it happens, another woman came along to use it and had similar problems and complained later...:neutral:

bit of an unlucky kinda accident really...

[Tiger 55]

i told her where to go and that if she had a problem i'd get chief executive of tesco (actually a member of the other side of my family) to fire her via my mobile
You're a hell of a guy genchler :rolleyes:

[Stig]

Oops!

:laughat: Messie.

[Warren]

a good reason to keep your helmet on at petrol stations ;)

[svJvJ]

Ouch, I saw it on Long way round and it seemed very unpleasant.....

From BP's website "

If your skin is splashed with fuel, wash off the soap and water. If the fuel gets into your eyes, wash out with running water for at least 15 minutes. If still sore, get medical attention.
If clothing is splashed, saturate the affected area with water and then remove the garment and hang out to thoroughly air before washing it. "

My Granny would of probably said USE SOME MILK AND PUT TEABGS ON :rolleyes:

[Demonz]

...
My Granny would of probably said USE SOME MILK AND PUT TEABGS ON :rolleyes:

Cammomile teabags by chance??

[svJvJ]

Cammomile teabags by chance??

Yes indeed, works for everything :o

[CoolGirl]

ouch, poor Sally!
The tissue in your eyes regenerates faster than anywhere else in your body (unless you're me), so any superficial damage is quickly repaired.
Hope the garage people were spectacularly apologetic and mend their ways. In a hazardous environment, to not even offer a drop of water was disgraceful!

[Messie]

Oops!

:laughat: Messie.

Git ;)

Spoke to Shell yesterday and they were seemingly very understanding and apologetic. However the garage in question is not run by them but leased out or something, so they passing on the complaint to the Manager. He should get back to me in 5 days. I await his/her response!

BTW I feel fine now although all day Sunday my eyes felt as tho I'd been crying for 12 hours and my stomach was icky.:sad:

[Tiger 55]

BTW I feel fine now
That's great news.

So when is your eye test........

[Baph]

Git ;)

Spoke to Shell yesterday and they were seemingly very understanding and apologetic. However the garage in question is not run by them but leased out or something, so they passing on the complaint to the Manager. He should get back to me in 5 days. I await his/her response!

BTW I feel fine now although all day Sunday my eyes felt as tho I'd been crying for 12 hours and my stomach was icky.:sad:
Like Tigger 55 said, great that you're feeling better.

You called the opticians yet? No, we won't stop asking until you have, and reciepts will be required as proof at the AR :-P

[grh1904]

Has anyone ever tried to fill up an SV while on side stand ?????

I did once and encountered 2 problems

1. The overflow hole thingy is on the left side of the filler cap, so even though I tried to stop in time I still ended up with a puddle of fuel under the bike.

2. Because of the lean angle of an SV on side stand I managed the grand distance of 87.3 miles before my petrol light came on & i needed to stop again to fill up.](*,)

:rant: I blame the makers of petrol pumps, I mean if it is a car you can push the 6 inch long nozzle down into the filler pipe so the auto cut off stops it long before any fuel gets near you, and there is a handy plastic/rubber cover to cover the petrol cap hole where the petrol cap goes: - chances of spillage etc while filling your car - about 1%.:rant:

Ever tried to fill a bike tank by pushing the 6 inch long nozzle fully into the tank ????

nope, neither have I, basically because I want to be able to travel further than the next petrol station before I need to stop again !!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps it's time petrol stations had bike only pumps with special nozzles for bike tanks (come you eccentric boffins out there, get down to your garden sheds and start building).:study: :smt115 :smt115 :idea: :idea:

[Baph]

Perhaps it's time petrol stations had bike only pumps with special nozzles for bike tanks (come you eccentric boffins out there, get down to your garden sheds and start building).:study: :smt115 :smt115 :idea: :idea:
Surely a special pump would be counter productive cost wise. It'd be better to have an adaptor. So a normal pump could work on a car or a bike ala your plans.

So stick the 6" nozzle into an adaptor, stick the adaptor in the tank of the bike.

Sell the adaptor to fuel stations...wait, no, sell the adaptor to bikers, far more of them than there are fuel companies.

Now where's me shed keys....

[Uberloinvongenchler]

how would teh adaptor change the stardard nozzle? :confused:

[Stingo]

Has anyone ever tried to fill up an SV while on side stand ?????


and some other stuff. :bigsmurf:



Yep - all the time - no problems encountered here.

HTH :smt023 :D