diesel cars.

[kwak zzr]

just got a diesel car and am really happy at the mpg its doing\\:D/ ive always had petrol cars and knew diesel's did more mpg but never really got round to buying one! its lower road tax aswell \\:D/ thumbs up for diesel aslong as its in the tank and not splashed across the road.

[gettin2dizzy]

what did you go for in the end? thinking of joining the car club too :) i just hope it doesn't turn me in to a fair weather rider ;)

[kwak zzr]

passat TDI.

[gettin2dizzy]

good stuff. Which version is it? i gather they come in 110 -130 - 150hp versions. Quite fancy a petrol though :P

[kwak zzr]

100 Highline, my mates got the 130 and it does seem snatchy whilst town driving. i dont know for sure but i think its all the same engine but mapped different? theres a chip on ebay for £50 that give 17bhp more and better mpg if theres any problems.

[gettin2dizzy]

you can get that engine (assuming its the 1.9tdi) chipped to 220bhp! it'll make 170hp without any other modification to the engine too :)

[kwak zzr]

thats good to know but now i'm getting abit older i prefere mpg :) a garage told me tho that these chips or remaps also give better mpg and power, the vw is the 1.9tdi.

[the_lone_wolf]

loving my diesel, have been for about a year now, it's all about the torque... it can do 60mpg if i treat it gently on the motorway - and there's nothing funnier than watching the tailgating chavs disappear on motorway slip roads when you get about 40 and their 1.2's have run out of puff, when you've been in 4th since the roundabout

wouldn't buy another petrol car now, unless it was solely based on performance...

[Luckypants]

wouldn't buy another petrol car now, unless it was solely based on performance...

I have had diesels by choice for a number of years and some of the latest 'hot' ones blow the petrol equivalent into the weeds. My mate just got an Octavia vRS diesel. A quick car and faster than the petrol equivalent in the real world, was pretty impressed out on some of my fave biking roads.

BMW 330D or 330i? I am thinking of a 330d Touring for pace with some grace (will be a few years old mind!). VW Tuareg W10 (or is it W12?) disesel has enough torque to ripple the tarmac!

[jim@55]

iv had 3 diesels now(pug 306 diesel sport,pug 306 estate td,and now ive got a vectra 2.0 turbo d)wouldnt buy another petrol car ,and most of them drive btr than their petrol equivalents(sp) ,.my vectra has around 90 bhp!!:( but its torque figure is about 260lb/ft:cool: it pulls like a train at lower revs ,its deceptivly quick (kinda like a v-twin,low revving but when you look at the speedo its faster than u think) ,im not paying £40 a week in fuel costs .i put a £10 in once a week and go back and forward to work with a few extra journeys as well(going out/to my mums e.t.c) about 120 miles a week and it only costs £10!!superb:cool:

[Marshall]

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Diesel sucks (look at the side of my Tona for proof)

ive just bought a car aswell 1.8 petrol 1990 Jetta baby £225, petrol all the way :p

\\:D/\\:D/

[Stu]

VW Tuareg W10 (or is it W12?) disesel has enough torque to ripple the tarmac!
Or tow a Jumbo Jet - seriously Top Gear.
I don't get that great mileage from my diesel, still better than I got with petrol obviously.

[Razor]

Diesel cars are better, FACT.

[the_lone_wolf]

I have had diesels by choice for a number of years and some of the latest 'hot' ones blow the petrol equivalent into the weeds. My mate just got an Octavia vRS diesel. A quick car and faster than the petrol equivalent in the real world, was pretty impressed out on some of my fave biking roads.
i was thinking higher performance than a 330d or vRS - i'd have either of those in a shot over the petrol equivalents - once you start getting up to 911 territory diesels just don't cut it performance wise...

[600+]

being a VAG owner for some years now I can tell u NOT to buy any of those chips off ebay

u want to remap it really - safest bet if u do it at a proper place

look for Custom Code or Revo or APR maps - difference in all of them is delivery of the power.

Your engine is the same as in my IBIZA and you can remap it up to 130-140 bhp you don't want more as the clutch can't take it!!! the torque in those diesel engines is quite high and clutch is the first to give.

nice car :)

[Luckypants]

i was thinking higher performance than a 330d or vRS - i'd have either of those in a shot over the petrol equivalents - once you start getting up to 911 territory diesels just don't cut it performance wise...
Ahem! What won Le Mans last year?

Audi R10 TDI (http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/experience/motorsport/The_Audi_R10_TDI.html)

[neio79]

I have just gone from a 1.6 petrol Astra to a 2.0 HDi Peugeot 207

The Astra use to do 400 miles per tank max before becoming a certainty to run out of fuel. The pug will do 600+ per tank!! Outstanding.
Also I think it is actually faster and lower tax bracket.

I will never go back to petrol for my main car again. We have a crappy rover 214 as well which I use to go to work, when that gives up the ghost I will replace that with a diesel car as well.

I use a lot of Deisel cars for work as well, the last one I used on Tuesday was a diesel Astra 1.7DTi, I was doing about 80-85 on the motorway and fast A roads up to Waddington and back, then a few other places as well, got near to 600 miles before that needed filling up as well. So I have a direct comparison between the petrol and diesel cars, with 200 miles the better from the same fuel tank size out of the diesel. Worth the extra 50p per tank to fill up over petrol.

Diesel is the way forward, never going to go back to petrol.

Brings up an interesting point. If Car diesel engines are so fast, clean and economical. How long before decent one say 100BHP is put into a bike?
Would you buy one if it was like the car ones comparable to their petrol equivalent?

[Skip]

about 120 miles a week and it only costs £10!!superb:cool:
I get 130 miles to £20 a week from my 1988 BMW 325i - so although a diesel sounds great, I am willing to pay that extra tenner a week to drive it - if I did more miles a week then I would think about changing - but one thing a diesel will never do is sound as good as a silky straight six.... :)

[Stu]

but one thing a diesel will never do is sound as good as a silky straight six.... :)
But diesel boats sound better than petrol (think of a big Sunseeker) wish that could translate to cars and yes bikes I would like a diesel bike.

[Skip]

But diesel boats sound better than petrol (think of a big Sunseeker) wish that could translate to cars and yes bikes I would like a diesel bike.
True - but they make up for it in hoooooge capacity so they gurgle very nicely! :smt020

[Steve H]

I have had diesels by choice for a number of years and some of the latest 'hot' ones blow the petrol equivalent into the weeds. My mate just got an Octavia vRS diesel. A quick car and faster than the petrol equivalent in the real world, was pretty impressed out on some of my fave biking roads.

BMW 330D or 330i? I am thinking of a 330d Touring for pace with some grace (will be a few years old mind!). VW Tuareg W10 (or is it W12?) disesel has enough torque to ripple the tarmac!

Pedant mode alert. No such car as an Octavia VRs diesel. The Octavia VRs is a 2.0 petrol. However, the Fabia VRs is a 1.9 tdi and that really flys in gear.

My wife has a SEAT Altea 1.9tdi (basically a VW like Audi and Skoda!)
Really pleased with it. :)

[Luckypants]

I get 130 miles to £20 a week from my 1988 BMW 325i - so although a diesel sounds great, I am willing to pay that extra tenner a week to drive it - if I did more miles a week then I would think about changing - but one thing a diesel will never do is sound as good as a silky straight six.... :)
Try a 6 cylinder BMW diesel, you will be pleasantly suprised. Audi's V6 TDi sounds pretty good too. The sonic qualities of the exhaust note are closely related to cylinder layout, not fuel type.

[Luckypants]

Pedant mode alert. No such car as an Octavia VRs diesel. The Octavia VRs is a 2.0 petrol. However, the Fabia VRs is a 1.9 tdi and that really flys in gear.


Oh yes there is! :cool:

Linky (http://www.newoctaviavrs.co.uk/)

[Steve H]

Oh yes there is! :cool:

Linky (http://www.newoctaviavrs.co.uk/)

Ah, so they now do the Octavia VRs as a diesel :cool: bit of a cheat to call it that though, My brother in law has the Passat tdi 170 and whilst quick, it is not quite the rocket that the 2.0 turbo vrs is.
Very interesting to know that though, could be a future consideration. :smt023

[Viney]

My next car will be an oil burner. I have hankered after a Audi S4 or such like, but i went out in my mates new 3.0TDI A4, and blimey its quick. Its going for a remap after its 1st service so will see what its like then.

[Razor]

I want a diesel hybrid that runs on the whiff of a rag used to wipe an oily smear from a garage floor.

[Tim in Belgium]

My mate's dad had got one of the new Range Rover sport diesels with a V-8, it even makes the V8 noise and is pretty quick, I think it's something like 270 hp.

As for diesels in bikes, I think one of the issues is the weight of the block as it tends (has?) to be steel/iron, which could result in a heavy bike.

[600+]

u wanna talk about diesel consumption on boats?

how about 100ltrs per hour on a 40ft with 2 caterpillar engines in it? :D

diesel consumption on boats can't really be compared with the cars as they are a tad bit heavier:D.......a few tones really not much more

[Nikkih]

I have a Seat Leon FR Tdi 150bhp, and i love it......build quality of a VW, loads of power and still get 50mpg+ even the way i drive it :smt077 :smt077

I too would never have a petrol car again.

[the_lone_wolf]

Ahem! What won Le Mans last year?

Audi R10 TDI (http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/experience/motorsport/The_Audi_R10_TDI.html)
oo dear, you leave the forum for 24hrs and it all goes a bit mad...;)

i knew someone would bring up the le mans argument - and the diesel audi is a stunning piece of engineering, however the amount of money they've put into the project just doesn't work for a road car where budget constraints affect the end price, who would buy an £800k diesel ferrari when you can have a petrol version that costs £150k?

if diesel truly was the way for performance cars *right now* there'd be diesel porches, lamborghinis and ferraris in the showrooms, as it stands, there aint:D

[Razor]

Diesel cars make excellent road cars, it's like the v twin of the cages ;)

[Steve H]

Diesel cars make excellent road cars, it's like the v twin of the cages ;)

Having both a V twin and a TDi, I would say that analogy is pretty accurate. :thumbsup:

[Razor]

I do miss having a petrol company car for one reason. A free jerrican for the the bike every couple of days ;)

[kwak zzr]

perhaps thats why i like the diesel so much (ploddy like the sv v twin)

[Beenz]

I've been driving an oil burner for the last four years, 130 ponies is a real hoot at 3 n 1/2 thousand RPM, lots to the gallon as well. A downside, well a short first gear is about all I can think of and about half a second turbo lag. For a daily wagon I'll stick with Diesel.

[2mths]

I have never owned a diesel car but I've been pretty damn certain for a number of years my next car will be a diesel - as I see it as the only way to affordably get a comfortable amount of oomph. Dear old Dad has a 320d touring and my sister a A3 TDi so I'm familiar with the performance and economy arguments. I almost cry as I potter around in my little 1.4 Polo, which driven daintily still only gives me 48mpg.

As for whether I'd have a diesel bike - Oh Yes! I'd love one. I like low down grunt and economy. That basically sums up why I bought the SV. I've been keeping an eye on the diesel bike area of things for some time but they are either only military supply or else too expensive for my budget. Had I been able to buy one for £5k I would have. But I think the only I found worked out as nearer £10k which is too much for me. I'm not ready to try one of the conversions people have done.

Back to the Petrol vs Diesel car thing. The motoring press would have you believe that the trend towards diesels will decline and reverse. The reason - Economics. The development and build costs of the diesel engines are getting higher and higher, so we're at a point where for less money they can find ways to make and build better petrol engines. It was for this simple reason that we got these good modern diesels in the first place. I'm sure that things will swing back towards clever petrols, but equally at some point they'll find there's more to be had from diesels again. Either way - I'm looking forward to driving my next car :-)

The only thing that makes me sad about all this is how long fossil fueled vehicles are sustainable for. Still I'm likely to be dead by the time it 'really' hits (though I'm sure I'll never earn enough to be able to afford to run a gas guzzler :-( ) I'm no Green but I think increased awareness of the environment is a good thing and waste of our resources does make me angry, especialy when it serves no purpose other than to turn a profit for someone somewhere at the expense of the rest of the future.

[Razor]

The only thing that makes me sad about all this is how long fossil fueled vehicles are sustainable for. Still I'm likely to be dead by the time it 'really' hits



Watch the video in my signature, I think you'll still be very much alive...

[gettin2dizzy]

the amount we use in cars is dismal in comparison to the forces. don't think i'd ever be tempted by a diesel, too tractor like for me.

[ricky_t]

I want a diesel hybrid that runs on the whiff of a rag used to wipe an oily smear from a garage floor.

Peugeot Citroen group (PSA) will be launching soon a diesel hybrid. It is a 1.6HDi with multiple cells. They tested in a Berlingo in order to attempt to break the 100g/km tax threshold and succeeeded. As the Berlingo has a higher co-efficient of drag than a smaller hatchback, the users are expected to have extremely low fuel costs! The HDi on its own can achieve 60mpg or more so a hybrid would certainly break the 100mph barrier. I can say this in confidence as my father had a Honda insight the petrol hybrid, it had an onboard current mpg display and by slipstreaming behind tall vehicles at the right speed and waxing the car 110mpg was achieved quite easily. On a journey to south wales i believe we averaged over 80mpg. However, the journey takes a little longer if you stay at optimal effiecient velocity ~50mph. It is also quite boring, but bikes are for fun, cars are for transporting people and things in my eyes.

[Sticks UK]

2002 'new' shape fiesta 1.4 tdci 500 miles on £30 of fuel, £35 a year to tax, cambelt at 100k and 12.5k service intervals. takes 4 adults to lakes for long weekend with luggage. had it a couple of years and have no intention of changing it.

[Stu]

Watch the video in my signature, I think you'll still be very much alive...
Sorry, can't watch the video yet. But won't the easiest solution be to switch to Biofuels that go in existing engines with little modification?

[Razor]

Sorry, can't watch the video yet. But won't the easiest solution be to switch to Biofuels that go in existing engines with little modification?

Biofuels are grown with fossil fuel burning machinery and fossil fuel derived fertilizer. The space used to grow biofuel is land that will be needed to grow food as crop yields drop.

[kwak zzr]

watching that video i thinks were all screw'd! ride hard ppl until the stuff run's out!

[skint]

just got a diesel car and am really happy at the mpg its doing\\:D/ ive always had petrol cars and knew diesel's did more mpg but never really got round to buying one! its lower road tax aswell \\:D/ thumbs up for diesel aslong as its in the tank and not splashed across the road.

Good for you - very wise choice all round. I've had four diesels including 100bhp Passat SE. Loved it (considered the cheaper SAAB 93 at the time - Passat infinitely better at everything IMO). Almost got another but 'discovered honda and got an Accord 2.2 diesel. First rate; just ordered Civic Type S.

Had 'trucks' as well i.e. Fiat Tipo :smt087 but all in all diesels are superb.

Diesel for me every time!:smt098

[Razor]

watching that video i thinks were all screw'd! ride hard ppl until the stuff run's out!

I'm trying no to derail too much.
Have a look, here (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=84456&highlight=teotwawki) at the other thread Kwak

[kwak zzr]

give's you something to think about dont it?

[kwak zzr]

just done 480 miles in the passat tdi on just a tad more than half a tank, thats £30 ish quid, the car recon's i'm doing an average of 52mpg! now that i'm happy with.:)