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gettin2dizzy
10-06-07, 06:52 PM
Well done!
except... is it just me..... or is it really difficult to really try to support him? He's a young british ace, I should be really glad for him, but I don't like him at all. Comes across as very arrogant and uncharismatic I think. Go Button! :smt040
... but I don't like him at all. Comes across as very arrogant and uncharismatic I think...
Is it coz he is black?
fizzwheel
10-06-07, 06:56 PM
What a guy, cool head, no slip ups, job done.
Read a few more interviews with him, the ones in the proper F1 press, rather than the newspapers, he's not arrogant at all, he's pretty down to earth ( for an F1 driver ) IMHO.
go Button, yeah right... bet he's regretting that buy out deal from his Williams contract now...
Remember, Ron Dennis, does not like drivers who speak their mind in public or in interviews. Lewis has been mentored by Ron since he was kid, he's bound to watch what he says in interviews etc etc...
Jester666
10-06-07, 06:56 PM
What a drive!! 4 saftey cars, mucho debris etc.
He will rule F1 in the coming years!
What a guy, cool head, no slip ups, job done.
Read a few more interviews with him, the ones in the proper F1 press, rather than the newspapers, he's not arrogant at all, he's pretty down to earth ( for an F1 driver ) IMHO.
Totally agree!
Wideboy
10-06-07, 07:01 PM
i find it funny how he comes up from less well known league to kick everyones ass
wounder how he would perform had Schumacher had not retired would have been a interesting season me thinks
shoemaker would have run him of the track by now.
gettin2dizzy
10-06-07, 07:04 PM
hear that? TT is now on itv4 :)
Maybe I'm just a little ****ed off that he's making a bit of a mockery of the F1 as he's walked in and kicked so much ass!
Alpinestarhero
10-06-07, 07:11 PM
I say, bloody good show! Hamilton has made the F1 regulars (by that, i mean guys who have been in these cars for years) look silly this season.
I wouldnt be suprised if he ran away with the championship. When was the last time someone one the F1 world title in their first season?
Matt
fizzwheel
10-06-07, 07:11 PM
Maybe I'm just a little ****ed off that he's making a bit of a mockery of the F1 as he's walked in and kicked so much ass!
Do you really think that, He's won every catergory of racing on his way to his F1 drive. I dont think he's making a mockery at all.
Just shows how good he is IMHO.
Flamin_Squirrel
10-06-07, 07:12 PM
Go Button! :smt040
Button is the Tim Henman of F1. Rubbish!
Wideboy
10-06-07, 07:13 PM
amen, but as he always insists it not him its the car :rolleyes:
fizzwheel
10-06-07, 07:14 PM
Button is the Tim Henman of F1. Rubbish!
Now I dont say this very often, but Jordan, I agree with you :D
Do you really think that, He's won every catergory of racing on his way to his F1 drive. I dont think he's making a mockery at all.
Just shows how good he is IMHO.
yup, agreed. shows he's good and he has a very good car. a good cominayyshun
Finally we have a British race driver that can win again. It's about time, Buttons a big pile of poo compared to Hamilton. Mind you i'd like to see how Button would do in the Mclaren, things might have been different if he'd have gone to a different team!! Weldone Hamilton though, top job!!!!
Did anyone else think Robert Kubica was one lucky mofo coming out of that crash with only a broken leg, havent seen one like that for a while. I was expecting a broken back or a few more injuries, just shows how well protected they are!!! Get Well soon Kubica!!! :crutches:
Wideboy
10-06-07, 07:28 PM
wish i had seen this crash will be keeping my eyes pealed on you tube
Pedrosa
10-06-07, 07:47 PM
I am very dissapoint in my SV friends. Not one mention of my extreme unlucky countryman Fernando?
Your Lewis good? Pah...your Mr.Bean could be win in that coche!:p
I am very dissapoint in my SV friends. Not one mention of my extreme unlucky countryman Fernando?
Your Lewis good? Pah...your Mr.Bean could be win in that coche!:p
Now now Pedrosa are we a little angry as we only came 3rd today? I saw you sitting and waiting for the mistakes to happen, you should have been having a go yourself!!! :tongue:
Alpinestarhero
10-06-07, 07:53 PM
Button is the Tim Henman of F1. Rubbish!
Yup! Led us all into a flase sense of hope, with good results and even a victory.
But he;s now...nowhere.
A bit Nicky Hayden, if you ask me!
Matt
Pedrosa
10-06-07, 07:53 PM
Now now Pedrosa are we a little angry as we only came 3rd today? I saw you sitting and waiting for the mistakes to happen, you should have been having a go yourself!!! :tongue:
Mr.Rich...Finish 3rd on this RCV and even being so close to Valentino and Casey,is like a win believing me!#-o
Mr.Rich...Finish 3rd on this RCV and even being so close to Valentino and Casey,is like a win believing me!#-o
I forgot to say..... Welldone!!!!! :smt101 It always amazes me how small you are!!! :lol:
fizzwheel
10-06-07, 07:58 PM
I am very dissapoint in my SV friends. Not one mention of my extreme unlucky countryman Fernando?
Unlucky, no I dont think so. Somebody needs to tell him that you can't win the race on the first corner, but you sure can loose it. How many times did he go across the grass today... he's in an F1 not a lawnmower.
I think young Lewis has him rattled.
Well done!
except... is it just me..... or is it really difficult to really try to support him? He's a young british ace, I should be really glad for him, but I don't like him at all. Comes across as very arrogant and uncharismatic I think. Go Button! :smt040
mmmmmmmm, a bit like any other racing driver perhaps. Of course shoemaker was a bit of it!
Good luck to him. It just looks like someone totally focussed to me.
thedonal
10-06-07, 08:04 PM
I don't agree with your opinions on Button- I think he has the skills, but not the car. What on EARTH are Honda doing this year? Remember that we overheard Barrichello say on the team radion the other race "It's like driving parachute on the straights". Nuff said, I reckon.
Really shocked about Kubica's smash- I picked him to support at the end of last season (I only really got into it from mid last season). Hope he mends soon- though I guess he'll be out of at least a race or two...
Was surprised and amused to see Sato take Alonso near the end.
But all in all, fair play to Lewis Hamilton for keeping his composure with 4 safety cars and loads of debris on the track. A well desserved win.
Flamin_Squirrel
10-06-07, 09:17 PM
I don't agree with your opinions on Button- I think he has the skills, but not the car.
Nah 'fraid you're wrong. Even when he's had a competative car he's not capitalised on it. He's a Tim Henman. He's a "Maybe with a few more years practice I might come close to having a go at the title..." type. Clearly has skill but will never win. Hamilton is a winner, he gets out there and does it.
fizzwheel
10-06-07, 09:31 PM
Button hasnt got that killer instinct, he's to nice, he's got the same problem DC has.
They just don't want to win badly enough.
kwak zzr
10-06-07, 10:07 PM
LH drove really well! is this the next senna? F1 hasnt seen talant like this for a while.
As much as I think Lewis Hamilton has that spark of talent that the true racing greats have, I just cannot get excited by F1. Its a complete farce in terms of entertainment. There are so many times where I have turned over to see what is happening only to find that the leader is 15s clear after only 8 laps, its just ridiculous. Yet today in Motogp you couldnt wish for a better tussle between the top 3 riders. Last week was the same with more overtakes in that one race then you will probably see in a whole season of F1. Overtaking in the pits and pitstop strategy is not entertainment in my book. I wish LH well but I for one cannot get enthused by a contrived technological precesion. IMHO its not sport and it certainly isnt racing.
Pedrosa
11-06-07, 09:00 AM
FI?......Playstation on wheels!:rolleyes:
Marshall
11-06-07, 09:04 AM
Im really impressed with the whole hamilton thing, and it was only down to time before he won his first F1, tbh i rekon he coulnd have won the last one if he hadnt been told to back off, Kids got talent.
i dont think Buttons a bad driver, i just think he's had that many seasons of bad cars its got to him, and hes lost his spark/edge he needs. maybe he will get it back like DC has, i mean come on DC is racing better now than he ever has done and its brilliant. Did anybody else here his on radio comments about the car lol "it doesnt go, it doesnt stop, it doesnt go round corners, but it good fun" made me laugh
plowsie
11-06-07, 09:05 AM
TBH I dont really like the F1, i think its mostly down to electronics. But Lewis Hamilton has put a glint back in my eye for F1. Not cos he's doing so well, but because in a certain way there is an arrogance about him. And he is beating the spaniards like everyone seems to be doing at the moment aye Pedrosa :lol:
P.S There will be a Button Hill at Silverstone soon, people shouting c'mon Jenson :lol:
I'm not sure about "Arrogant" I'd go with "self-assured & proffessional". Not exactly Mr Personality but then F1's not exactly well stocked in that department anyway. Anyone know if the safety car did enough laps to score a point?
Warthog
11-06-07, 11:13 AM
wish i had seen this crash will be keeping my eyes pealed on you tube
Is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKaLsk258zI
Supervox
11-06-07, 11:14 AM
TBH I dont really like the F1, i think its mostly down to electronics. But Lewis Hamilton has put a glint back in my eye for F1. Not cos he's doing so well, but because in a certain way there is an arrogance about him. And he is beating the spaniards like everyone seems to be doing at the moment aye Pedrosa :lol:
P.S There will be a Button Hill at Silverstone soon, people shouting c'mon Jenson :lol:
Not quite - but, if the Poison Dwarf has his way & we have night races next season there could well be a Button Moon !!
TAXI !!!!
We'll see how long it lasts. I'm still waiting for Ferrari to throw the toys out of he pram and complain that he jumped out of Parc Ferme before getting weighed (seeing as Massa got disqualified)
But apart from that the best race I've watched in many years and I've not watched for a few years!
Filipe M.
11-06-07, 11:15 AM
F*ck*ng Hell! :shock:
glsuk1970
11-06-07, 01:22 PM
I must say I'm a big fan of Lewis Hamilton. It's still very early days for him in F1 but he's certainly no stranger to the McLaren team which might explain why he's appeared to have settled in quicker than Alonso.
He might not have the ability to stick his car on pole every Saturday but he does have good race day consistency and can put in quick (but not always the quickest) laps time after time.
I think you have to have a high level of arrogance and self-belief if you're to be successful as a world class racing driver. If you don't believe yourself to be the best driver out there then you're going to struggle as soon as the lights go out. The trick is not to be arrogant and cocky outside of the car and from what I've seen of LH so far, he seems to achieve this.
He fully deserved to win yesterday and I'm sure there'll be more wins to come but the highlight of the day for me was Takuma Sato passing Alonso :smt053
Wideboy
11-06-07, 04:32 PM
Is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKaLsk258zI
wow cheers mate saw the pics today in the paper
Pedrosa
11-06-07, 04:48 PM
That crash very similar to that of Razenberger at San Marino 1994 "Black weekend." Show improve to car construction now.:mad:
glsuk1970
11-06-07, 08:18 PM
That crash very similar to that of Razenberger at San Marino 1994 "Black weekend." Show improve to car construction now.:mad:
Very true. The same weekend Senna lost his life and I think the improvements in safety that have been made to F1 cars since the tragic loss possibly saved Kubica's life yesterday.
Jester666
11-06-07, 10:08 PM
Watching Hamilton 4 wheel drift the McLaren into the chicane at Monaco was quite awe inspiring!
He seems to be a cross between Senna (Skill and cool head) and Mansell (Ball$ out charger).
Bring on the British GP!!
Filipe M.
12-06-07, 12:39 PM
Very true. The same weekend Senna lost his life and I think the improvements in safety that have been made to F1 cars since the tragic loss possibly saved Kubica's life yesterday.
Very similar to the first accident in the "black weekend" too, in which Barrichello broke his nose at the old "variante bassa" (before the pit lane), when his car flew straight at the wall. Twas indeed a black weekend.
Nutkins
12-06-07, 01:03 PM
Also very similar to my sister's first accident, when she failed to brake in time and smashed into our garden wall. Was a very "black" weekend in the Nutkins' household.
I personally, pi$$ed myself silly.
Oh yeah ... and that Lewis kid is quite good too.
Pedrosa
12-06-07, 02:05 PM
i know the fair mind people of SV ORg feel this correct.
Fernando Alonso be complain that McClaren favour Lewis. English team, English driver so I think he could be correctly. They not giving respect as should be when have Wprld Champion in their team.
I thinking Mr. Dennis should be nicer to Fernando or maybe go back to tv show family fortune,no?:rolleyes:
thedonal
12-06-07, 04:17 PM
If said Fernando Alonso were to keep his cool, like he did all of last season with some great battles with Michael Shoemaker in his Fiat, and manage the first corner properly, perhaps he could be taken a little more seriously.
Back to Button- yes- perhaps he hasn't had the killer desire to be a champ- but he certainly started walking and talking after his win last season- I reckon he must be thoroughly demoralised now- and none of it is really his fault. Hell- he didn't even get to start this one! I've much respect for the Jensen- he's a decent bloke (perhaps too decent) and is a skilled driver. Honda's B-team seem to be doing far better- not only is Sato finishing races now, but he even took Alonso in the last one. What's that all about?!!
Kubica has been the same- did a cracking job after his appearance last year but this year has had loads of car trouble (not saying that was the reason for his crash).
Alpinestarhero
13-06-07, 10:06 AM
Also very similar to my sister's first accident, when she failed to brake in time and smashed into our garden wall. Was a very "black" weekend in the Nutkins' household.
I personally, pi$$ed myself silly.
Oh yeah ... and that Lewis kid is quite good too.
When I was young, i also had the brakes fail on my on my BMX. I edned up in a thorny rose bush as the bottom of my garden, extremly painfull.
Matt
glsuk1970
13-06-07, 10:42 AM
i know the fair mind people of SV ORg feel this correct.
Fernando Alonso be complain that McClaren favour Lewis. English team, English driver so I think he could be correctly. They not giving respect as should be when have Wprld Champion in their team.
I thinking Mr. Dennis should be nicer to Fernando or maybe go back to tv show family fortune,no?:rolleyes:
More info here (http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39593) about your countryman (not about Mr. Dennis returning to Family Fortunes).
kwak zzr
13-06-07, 02:48 PM
all team mates moan when they are being beat.
fizzwheel
13-06-07, 04:20 PM
all team mates moan when they are being beat.
Exactly, he should be looking to himself and driving better and not making amateurish mistakes at the first corner of races, he's better than that.
Pedrosa
18-06-07, 03:09 PM
I see young Lewis cheated again by claiming the first corner and staying in front? Maybe Fernando will have to reach in to his bag of Schumakerish tricks?
Am I alone, did that race bore tha a*s off anyone else yesterday?:rolleyes:
plowsie
18-06-07, 03:23 PM
highlights didnt, it was over in half an hour lol
kwak zzr
18-06-07, 03:28 PM
Why cant i sit and watch a F1 race? as pedro says "boring" its good to see LH doing well but i just catch the results on ceefax.
The sad thing about F1 is that there is always a dominant team, and the cars are (relatively) so "easy" to drive that the drivers get enough out of them lap after lap to make the difference. It's really quite ironic, these drivers do their best to stand out as exceptional talents, and then when they reach their goal their talent is much more irrelevant than it ever was before.
But, it's a team sport. I think I slept through about 50 minutes of the US race, and I was glad of it.
plowsie
18-06-07, 03:38 PM
I heard on the post race interview with Ron Dennis that they "turned their engines down". Thought thats bit silly, the fans aren't getting their moneysworth anyway IMHO.
I actually fell asleep during the race it was that :smt015
Is it just me or is anyone else getting sick of hearing his name? I remember that every channel I flicked to yesterday it was all LH this and LH that aaarrrgghhh :smt021
Yep the dude may be a good driver but give it a rest already. I still reckon Button is better though, LH has an air of Tiger Woods about him, sort of manufactured........
That is all :D
plowsie
18-06-07, 03:47 PM
I refer to Scoobs's drinking game. Think it went everytime the commentator said LH u had to drink a shot. Scoobs will back me up
Well done Lewis H.
100 years ago, if you saw a black guy being chased by 20 white guys they called it the Klu Klux Klan - nowadays they call it Formula 1.
I'd like to point out that I thought long and hard about posting this joke, and still can't see any racist content...so ya boo sucks, I've done it. I'm not a racist, I just like going very fast
plowsie
18-06-07, 03:53 PM
lol my grandad sent me that this morning hahahaha its not racist i didnt think.
kwak zzr
18-06-07, 04:03 PM
like has been said, look at massa? nowhere? until he gets in a Ferrari then he's somebody, it all depends on the car and the team really, the drivers brilliant as they are are only part of the package.
Pedrosa
18-06-07, 05:09 PM
In truth F1 is a totally different world these days. Far removed from the more exciting,car sliding,counter steering days.
Like so many sports the $ is king and for many ,failure is not an option. To meet the greater demands a certain "clone" like driver was bound to appear and Lewis looks like it.
We should not look to shoot him down before he has truly savoured a string of successes or be so critical as, after all competitors on a truly world standing, the UK has so few of.(Be it due to lack of financing or other factors)
Lewis may well prove to be an all time great. His star though might dwindle before you know it. Let's just wait and see.:cool:
Some interesting points here. Just a few more observations though:
Hamiltons' natural talent has been nurtured by McLaren for many years
He knows the team and how to communicate to the staff
He's won the junior classes
Racing is all the lad knows
He's driving in arguablely the 'top' team
Possibly not reached his full potential yet.Alonso:
2 back to back world championships behind him beating a certain Mr Shumacher on the track
Arguabely not getting the preferential treatment he may have been expecting from the team as current champion
Driving in the best team at the momentButton
A very fast driver
Currently in a slow car
Regularly beat former champion Jaques Villeneuve as BAR team mateNigel Mansell
Financed his start to his racing career himself ncluding re-mortgaging his house at one point.
Would drive the the wheels off whatever car he was in (even knowing he was out of a job at the end of a season)
Took plenty of chances (not too often seen these days)
Probably lacked the personality and charisma of other drivers of that era.
Managed to beat the Ayrton Senna (arguabely the best F1 driver of them all) in a slower carSo I guess Hamilton has had an envious start to his racing career but without that natural talent would not be winnng races and ending up on the podium regularly.
Alonso is the ideal team mate to Hamilton forcing him to race at his best. If Alonso had a season in the bag already at the same team things 'might' have been just a little different.
I just can't help thinking what Alsonso, Button and Mansell or even Schumacher could have achieved given the same lead into F1 though.
Anyway, for me F1 is still as dull as listening to paint dry (even more dull than watching it)
Moto GP or the NW200/TT now thats entertainment.
Pedrosa
06-08-07, 02:07 PM
I am very surprised that this weekend's shenanagins in Hungary have not been commented on? Shows how low F1 has fallen if the in fighting within a particular team is all that makes news value following a Grnd Prix?
Alonso is adored in Spain for his driving ability and achievements but I must say many Spaniards do not like his attitude at times.
So who was more wrong of the two drivers? When only 1 of them was sanctioned? Alonso for a "cynical" delay in the pit lane during the last seconds of qualifying?
Or Lewis who had earlier completely disobeyed team orders and refused to let Fernando past during the qulaifying session and so denying his team mate and defending World Champ of putting in another fast lap?
I am curious as to the thoughts of the SV-F! fans.:rolleyes:
Jester666
06-08-07, 02:12 PM
Alonso needs to get off his high horse and get on with the job in hand.
He is a miserable sod and deserved to be demoted down the grid on Sat/Sun.
He's just pi$$ed off that his team mate is faster, more consistent, more talented and more charismatic.
**Jester gets off his soapbox and hands it to the next orator!**
Pedrosa
06-08-07, 02:23 PM
Devil's Advocate here....
Yes it cannot be denied that Fernando has an attitude problem. Put yourself in his shoes and see how you would be feeling. I doubt whether he was fully aware that such a second string driver was to be his teammate when he was considering the McClaren contract? He would have been mad to do so, Fernando is NOT mad.
To suggest that after just half a season, Lewis could be generally thought to be better in all of the departments you mention than Fernando must surely be tempered a little? Thus far,Lewis has won races during the first half of his first season. Nothing more than that.(That comment does not in anyway seek to detract from the obvious talent he is.) In addition from a points deficit of 14 points just a short time ago, Fernando has clawed himself back to 7 points even with the points loss caused by this weekends sanction.
Are you suggesting that Fernando does not have the skills to finish ahead of Lewis on at least a couple of occasions during the remainder of the season? You have much faith in the new protege. It will be interesting to see how things pan out.
fizzwheel
06-08-07, 02:29 PM
He should do his talking on the track and they both should stop playing stupid mind games with each other.
Playing mind games like this, is just diverting his energy from his driving IMHO.
I think though it was harsh to demote alonso back down the grid for that, it wasnt dangerous, not like Schumacher parking in the middle of the Rasscasse last year or like Senna's antics with Prost at Suzuka.
IMHO there was no guarantee that Hamilton was going to beat Alonso's time and retake pole.
kwak zzr
06-08-07, 02:35 PM
Anyway, for me F1 is still as dull as listening to paint dry (even more dull than watching it)
Moto GP or the NW200/TT now thats entertainment.
i'm glad i'm not on my own here, was that boring or what? LH is a great driver no doubt in that but i just cant stop awake for all 70 some odd laps?
he led into the first corner and held the lead to the end? :smt090 i wish i'd paid to go and watch that,
NOT:rolleyes:
RhythmJunkie
06-08-07, 05:31 PM
WR = (w**nker rating 0-10)
Alonso (WR 4) has had lots of lucky breaks when all around him have had runs of bad luck. Raikkonen (WR 1) has had terrible reliability problems, in the same way Coulthard (WR 5) has always been plagued with poor reliability.
Button (WR 7) had all the hype but has never delivered.
Schuey (WR 0) was the best ever driver which he proved over and over again, anyone who thinks he wasn't is just envious! I didn't particularly like the man and always wanted other drivers to beat him but I have to admit that he is quality merchandise! I just wish we hadn't had the cheating, he didn't need to do it!
The Hamilton guy (WR 1.486 (no-ones teeth should be that white)) is showing huge promise, (there's a pun there if you look hard enough (oops there goes another))! :)
I'm putting money on him to beat the orange-picker!
Thing is the sport is so corrupt that everytime someone blows up you have this horrible feeling that it was meant to be! No its not conspiracy time and I'm not paranoid, its happening in football, snooker and cricket just the same. Takes the P out of sport don't you think? :(
The olympics is just as bad, international willy waving, nation against nation, its what we do when there's no wars to be fought!
That Massa dude (WR 9 reduced to 3) has shown huge potential too considering his entry into F1 was a little frought with mishaps! Someone didn't want him to succeed!! :rolleyes:
thedonal
06-08-07, 06:58 PM
So, then. Rhythm Junkie- I assume from the paragraphs that the lower the WR number, the bigger the WR is?
Why the WR for Hamilton? Yes, he's had a lucky upbringing, but has the talent and would not have that if he hadn't worked hard to earn his position. I'm sure if he'd had a dodgy attitude/taken all he's been given for granted, that Ron Dennis would not have been grooming him for the last decade (pun there? hmmm).
I think Massa has a WR of 1. He only wins races when he's placed at the front o nthe grid. Doesn't seem to handle traffic so well or corners sometimes (ie just driving straight off of them).
Alonso has vented his frustrations in a very disappointing way. Despite Ron Dennis's comments about honouring contracts, I think there may be a divorce coming there...
Clearly Button is a very talented driver but has been very unfortunate- Honda's engineering disaster this year must be eating his soul out. After his win last season (whether you think it was deserved or not), he started really to believe in himself. That's all been destroyed this year where Super Aguri have been more like Honda's A team. Even Sato's been finishing races...!
Will someone please explain Hamilton's part in this to me? From what I saw, Hamilton left the pitlane first in the boring fuel burning phase where they never drive their fastest times anyway, and then at some point, either in the pits or on the road, Alonso went in front of Hamilton. Regardless of what happened in the earlier part, Alonso ended up in front on the road at the business end of the 15 minutes.
I just don't see what could possibly have happened to impede Alonso in all of that.
When I first read about it, I thought it was just McLaren trying to get Alonso off the hook, and that McLaren were penalised for doing just that.
fizzwheel
06-08-07, 08:20 PM
Clearly Button is a very talented driver but has been very unfortunate
I dont agree, hes made or has had made on his behalf some bad decisions, he shouldnt have bought himself out of that williams contract, now he's stuck at Honda for what 5 years... tit...
( easy to say with hindsight, but compare the records of both teams I know where I'd have gone even on a short contract might have lead to a better drive with another team )
fizzwheel
06-08-07, 08:25 PM
Sinbad,
Hamilton was told by his team to let Alonso past during the first phase of fuel burning, he says he never agreed to this and didnt let Alonson by as doing so he would have compromised his own track position as it might have let Raikonen by.
This messed up the Mclaren pit schedules which meant that what they had agreed in team brief or something then wouldnt work.
He then pitted earlier than Alonso for fuel and tyres, which is then how Alonso got in front of him and baulked him by delaying hamiltons fuel and tyre stop.
I suppose he saw it as pay back for Hamilton not moving over.
I think..
Edit - This explains it from Alonso and Hamiltons point of view a little clearer perhaps
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61369
Thanks Fizzwheel. It still doesn't add up, and iirc, Kimi did in fact pass Alonso in that first part. Alonso wasn't affected at all by Hamilton because Hamilton was in fact a whole lap ahead. I think it was definitely all just a cover story to protect Fernando, but the stewards didn't buy it. Ron's immediate reaction told the whole story, and that's the prime reason why the stewards investigated imo. If he'd immediately said: "Lewis went off hard to try and get an extra lap in, but we wanted Fernando to be sure of some clear track and unfortunately that meant Lewis just ran out of time at the end", then it would have been over with.
He didn't, so it makes me think it was all Alonso, and the stewards did the right thing.
RhythmJunkie
07-08-07, 07:28 PM
So, then. Rhythm Junkie- I assume from the paragraphs that the lower the WR number, the bigger the WR is?
Nope! Other way round. Just my personal opinion dude! Trying to put the fun back in F1. :)
Why the WR for Hamilton? Yes, he's had a lucky upbringing, but has the talent and would not have that if he hadn't worked hard to earn his position. I'm sure if he'd had a dodgy attitude/taken all he's been given for granted, that Ron Dennis would not have been grooming him for the last decade (pun there? hmmm).
He has to have a WR rating dude, all F1 drivers do in my book. Its what the sport has become in my eyes and the drivers are a part of it. I gave him a low rating cos I don't think he's that bad!
I think Massa has a WR of 1. He only wins races when he's placed at the front o nthe grid. Doesn't seem to handle traffic so well or corners sometimes (ie just driving straight off of them).
hehehe yes I know he does that corner thing very well. He has shown a big improvement lately though, like, he can keep up with the quick boys for more than ten laps without doing the far flung corner thing! :)
Alonso has vented his frustrations in a very disappointing way. Despite Ron Dennis's comments about honouring contracts, I think there may be a divorce coming there...
Hence the 'orange picker' remark!
Clearly Button is a very talented driver ":-dd" but has been very unfortunate- Honda's engineering disaster this year must be eating his soul out. After his win last season (whether you think it was deserved or not), he started really to believe in himself. That's all been destroyed this year where Super Aguri have been more like Honda's A team. Even Sato's been finishing races...!
I think Button is better suited to glamour modelling than F1:mrgreen:
Pedrosa
17-09-07, 07:28 AM
Was Fernando a very naughty boy yesterday in his fending off of Lewis at turn 1 and 2? Or was it simply fair game?
fizzwheel
17-09-07, 07:47 AM
Was Fernando a very naughty boy yesterday in his fending off of Lewis at turn 1 and 2? Or was it simply fair game?
It was a pretty hard move, he didnt leave alot of room, but they didnt take each other off which is the cardinal sin.
I cant see Alonso pulling that move on many other drivers and not getting away with it. He reminds me of Schumacher when he does stuff like that, the red mist comes down and he just doesnt think hes driving on gut reaction all the time.
Made for a good first few corners though, thats what F1 needs.
Pedrosa
17-09-07, 07:57 AM
Fizz...Do you not think that F1 has every chance of becoming more dangerous due to the priority of getting by at the first corner, otherwise forget it? Could certain rule changes come in to make drivers not be so gung ho at the first turn? TBH if that action had not happened at turn 1 yesterday, what else was there to captivate the interest?
kwak zzr
17-09-07, 08:16 AM
i try'd to watch the F1 i really did i just couldnt watch the whole convoy sorry i mean race:) now moto gp thats racing.
Flamin_Squirrel
17-09-07, 08:18 AM
I turned the TV on when there were 3 laps left, saw the first 4 cars were in exactly the same order as when they left the grid and immediately knew I'd not missed anything.
Alpinestarhero
17-09-07, 08:20 AM
F1 needs slick tyres, and brakes that arn't so efficient at stopping the cars. this would (1) decrease the need for aerodynamic grip, allowing better slipstreaming (ever noticed how an F1 car can tail another, but never actualy get close enough to get by?), and (2) make braking distances longer, meaning drivers will have more room to stuff it up the inside
Touring cars is bloody good fuun to watch, I really like WTCC
Matt
kwak zzr
17-09-07, 08:22 AM
+1 to that WTCC is car racing.
fizzwheel
17-09-07, 08:25 AM
Fizz...Do you not think that F1 has every chance of becoming more dangerous due to the priority of getting by at the first corner, otherwise forget it? Could certain rule changes come in to make drivers not be so gung ho at the first turn? TBH if that action had not happened at turn 1 yesterday, what else was there to captivate the interest?
Yep it probably does, but as a spectator spectacle it was pretty good for the first couple of corners yesterday.
I'd argue about it being dull, yes the first 4 places were static, but the mid griders were really battlig it out. Watching Sutil climb up to 12th in the Spyker, which is basically a pile of cack was pretty exciting. Also watching Sato in last years Honda putting a move over button in this years was pretty good to.
Hamilton is probably the only F1 driver who's prepared to shove his car up the inside of another driver. That pass he did at Monza into one of the chicanes proves so I think.
I'd agree with Alpinstarhero, F1 needs more mechnical grip and less aero.
Bring back slick tyres, a wide wheel base chassis, reduce the down force available, and give them more power than the chassis can handle.
TBH though I reckon you'd still see the same drivers / teams out in front, but hopefully it would increase the spectacle.
Next year should hopefully prove a little more exciting now traction control is being banned.
RhythmJunkie
23-09-07, 09:15 AM
I hate whats happening to F1.
I agree with getting rid of all the driver aids.
Keep it mechanical and get rid of the electric whizz-bangs!
Make the drivers drive the damn cars...thats what they are paid to do.
There's too much political influence, its not sport any more. I'll bet my bottom dollar the winner is known before the race starts. Its like watching a play, learned, rehearsed then played out in front of an eager audience.
I much prefer BSB and similar racing due to the fact that too much big money hasn't crept in yet and spoiled the sporting element!
American city racing with the old style (big on horses....big on tyres) Champ Cars....brilliant!
gettin2dizzy
26-09-07, 01:07 AM
or.... embrace the technology and let it be completely free of restrictions! Make the fastest machines on the planet! One or the other for sure :)
RhythmJunkie
26-09-07, 06:15 AM
Take away the traction control and rev limiter, the power steering and the ABS then you get back to better racing because driver error creeps in. If drivers make errors then overtaking becomes a possibility again. Thats the way things use to be. Without aids the faster the car the better the chance of a driver making an error because all the forces increase which puts a greater emphasis on the driver controlling the vehicle! It would even out the playing field.
If we had no restrictions and every man/team for themself then Ferrari would win everything because they have such a massive purse to push forward with new technology. Thats whats ruined the sport over the past 10 or more years, unequality amongst the teams.
This is why bike racing is more fun. For most of the the bikes performance is almost identical and rider error is a regular occurance lap after lap. Bikes are notoriously unstable when thrown around a race track, losing the front under braking, high siding whilst exiting corners, missed gears.
Fastest in the world would mean Nascar would it not? See just how fast you can get a powerful car to go around in unending circles hehehe?
fizzwheel
26-09-07, 06:29 AM
Even if they did remove all the eletronics I still dont think it would be different in terms of which drivers would win. I still think the likes of Schumacher, Alonso, et all would be at the front as I think they're better drivers.
It was the same in the 60's & 70's IMHO, Jackie Stewart wining I think the 1968 German GP at the Nurburgring by nearly 4 minutes in the rain with a knackered left wrist anybody...
It would bring the costs down massively ( which is what they are trying to do at the moment with all this 2 engines per race rule etc etc ) but they big teams would still find ways to spend the money.
Indycar is faster than NASCAR. NASCAR just does over 200mph, Indycars on the ovals are doing 240+mph. Been to see them at Rockingham. Makes the F1 engine at 19,000rpm sound tame.
Rev restrictions are in place to keep the costs down. The materials needed to make the engine rev up to 19,500 are immense. Kinda doulbes the cost of the engines to get that bit more power. REv cap was introduced to keep the costs down.
Also agreed, F1 needs more mechanical grip, less area. Makes overtaking more possible, and the racing closer. But technology goes forward, F1 has gone big time now, they won't go backwards again.
Hamilton is great, I really like him. Watched him for a few seasons prior to F1, (F3 etc) and he really is immense. He WILL be world champion, but im not so sure it's going to happen this year, although it would be great.
Everyone seems to forget poor Davidson though. That guy has put in some brilliant drives, on many occasions beating Sato. Its his 1st season too, hopefully he'll get a better drive soon, he's well worth it. Putting the last years Honda into 11th place on the grid one race this year. Brilliant.
Button has still got it, just the car is awful.
Wouldn't it be great to see an all english team. McLaren, Hamilton + Davidson/Button. Go on Mr Dennis do it. 2 drivers who really could fight for the title, put English driving back on the map.
But it all sucks compared to MotoGP/WSB anyway ;)
kwak zzr
26-09-07, 09:45 AM
But it all sucks compared to MotoGP/WSB anyway ;)
oh yea, you speak what i was thinking:)
Hmmm, I'm not quite sure what to say about that race. I am a Hamilton supporter (I dont kiss his rear end though) but something about all of that doesn't seem to sit right with me :confused:. Alonso seemed very happy even though he didn't win the championship and Anthony Hamilton seemed very very happy too (almost like he was prepared for Lewis not to win?)
At least Kimi 'Mr Boring' won instead of Alsono :D
Wideboy
21-10-07, 06:34 PM
yes was a strange race, they seemed to be prepared for losing even before the race
Pedrosa
21-10-07, 07:15 PM
Here I am..Mr.Controversial!:p
I was pulling for Alonso if I am honest, but on reflection feel that Kimi and Ferrari deserved it much more as they have quietly got on with business below everyone's radar. Remember people said Kimi was not the driver that Ferrari should take on board due to his party animal reputation.
And also remember that it is Ferrari who were the victims in the Stepneygate affair as a disgruntled soon to be ex employer tried to f*ck them over.
Not been a bad year for all things fast,gloriously red and Italian has it? (I know Supervox will be along to second that shortly.:p)
Key points today.
What on earth was Lewis doing during those first few bends? He then continued to drive so raggardly and it appears disturbed some of the electronic equipment which saw his car's performance falter for several laps.
Where was the speed anyway from the McLarens today? Who had turned the wicks right down?
I have to say that the snail like pace that Massa left the pits after his last refuel stop was bordering on cheating for me tbh. He then continued to limp for the best part of his re entry lap which,(surprisingly?:rolleyes:) saw Kimi glide on by to claim the win and the title.
Why not one single camera shot of Ron with headphones on viewing the monitors?
Quote of a lifetime just a short while ago....do you recall it?
"We were not concerned about Raikkonen, it was Alonso we needed to beat." RON DENNIS.
fizzwheel
21-10-07, 07:21 PM
What on earth was Lewis doing during those first few bends? He then continued to drive so raggardly and it appears disturbed some of the electronic equipment which saw his car's performance falter for several laps.
Dunno, I put it down to inexperience and buckling under pressure. He a chance and blew it by concentrating on his stupid games with Alonso instead of thinking about the bigger picture.
All he had to do was tuck in behind Alonso and follow him and Kimi Home and job done.
Though TBH, 2nd in your first year in F1 is not a shabby result. Wander whats going to happen over the winter off season, will Alonso still be at Mclaren next year ?
Wideboy
21-10-07, 07:22 PM
will Alonso still be at Mclaren next year ?
no i think he's going to leave
Pedrosa
21-10-07, 07:23 PM
Dunno, I put it down to inexperience and buckling under pressure. He a chance and blew it by concentrating on his stupid games with Alonso instead of thinking about the bigger picture.
All he had to do was tuck in behind Alonso and follow him and Kimi Home and job done.
Though TBH, 2nd in your first year in F1 is not a shabby result. Wander whats going to happen over the winter off season, will Alonso still be at Mclaren next year ?
Fizz,
I openly accept that the shambolic situation at McLaren this season has clouded the fantastic season that Hamilton has had and in truth he deserved better than that.
Did you notice at the post race press conference Fernando thanked many people,(particularly the sponsors....he's smart guy) but nothing at all for the team? Bad blood that will not wash away too easy.
fizzwheel
21-10-07, 07:27 PM
I FA wil leave to, either back to renault or he'll do a Prost and take a year off.
I think the shambles have added to the championship, its brought another dimension to it. I think its quite apt that Kimi has quietly got on with the job whilst Alonso and Hamilton have bickered and lost focus. I think lewis blew it in the last two races this year if he'd keep his head he'd have nailed it, but this experience will serve him well in the future I think.
Welsh_Wizard
21-10-07, 07:34 PM
crazy season this one was.. gutted for Hamilton, but as already mentioned, he didn't play the smart game. He'll be sitting in his caravan right about now nursing a bottle of scotch and thinking 'why the **** did i just do that..' - sets him up for a win next season though methinks. Can't wait to see who Alonso goes too for the next season. The Alonso/Hamilton battle will be even harsher when they aint driving for the same stable !!
northwind
21-10-07, 10:45 PM
Trouble is, with all the hype everyone's now seeing 2nd as a failure :rolleyes: He mustbe gutted to miss out on the big prize, but what an achievement regardless... Hope he'll be able to see that (AND the media, who love to put people down as much as they love to build them up...)
RhythmJunkie
22-10-07, 12:19 PM
Didn't turn out as I hoped it would but it certainly turned out exactly as I expected!
It all seemed to plop into place just perfectly for the people who control the sport....they won everything....again....
This is as corrupt as it gets folks! The F1 propaganda machine!
I will no longer be watching next season as I have much better ways to waste my Sunday afternoons! Like watching our pet locust eat its greens!
Pedrosa
22-10-07, 12:29 PM
Never was the reserved nature of the British F1 fan displayed more than yesterday. Tele 5 is the channel that shows all of the races here and they had this great idea to have a film crew in Lewis's hometown,(Stevenage?) there they were in some boozer with just 2 people sat there watching the tele.:D
However over in Asturias, in Fernando's hometown the town square was packed with large screens erected for the occasion. You got to love the Spanish folks they really do get behind their motorsporting hero's.:cool:
RhythmJunkie
22-10-07, 01:52 PM
Tele 5 is the channel that shows all of the races here and they had this great idea to have a film crew in Lewis's hometown,(Stevenage?) there they were in some boozer with just 2 people sat there watching the tele
Like I said.......the F1 propaganda machine rolls on!
In the UK the police would probably break up a gathering of more than 20 adults in the name of anti-terrorism! You would get a fine for unlicensed public broadcasting of televisual images. They would not procure a license for such an event unless their palms were well greased either. Welcome to the UK's way of doing things Pedrosa! :)
Why do you think so many English folk move to Espania? ;)
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