View Full Version : Just had tyre plugged by RAC , question re max speed
Had a really crap day at work , to cap it off got a flat on the way home , the RAC have plugged tyre , however I was told max of 40mph for 280 miles .
Any one had experience with plugged tyres ( not proper mushroom kit ) , a bit worried as have to use bike for work tomorrow & at 40 mph I will be a sitting target , will get tyre replaced as soon as I can but could well be a couple of days before I get chance due to work
Cheers Steve
Had a really crap day at work , to cap it off got a flat on the way home , the RAC have plugged tyre , however I was told max of 40mph for 280 miles .
Any one had experience with plugged tyres ( not proper mushroom kit ) , a bit worried as have to use bike for work tomorrow & at 40 mph I will be a sitting target , will get tyre replaced as soon as I can but could well be a couple of days before I get chance due to work
Cheers Steve
Sounds like b*cks to me. I had my back tyre plugged about 2k miles ago. They said stay below 80 but I have been 120+ . Solid..
What did they use to plug?
Do you really want to risk it, i wouldn't!!! Especially if you've been advised not to go over 40mph, the rac bloke couldn't have had much faith in his pluggin!!!
I think both RAC & AA use Rep & Air kits , the manufacer says :-
"Rep & Air Puncture Repair Kit for Tubed Tyres
For years this kit has been part of the original equipment suppplied by BMW. It provides a system to seal tyre injuries without demounting the tyre from the rim.
Safety instructions : Have the tyre checked/replaced/repaired by a tyre specialist after max 400km (maximum speed 60km/h)"
I won't push my luck & will take it steady until I get a new rear tyre fitted , its just not worth it
Cheers Steve
DarrenSV650S
14-06-07, 09:10 PM
If they are saying 40mph then there must be a good reason for it. I wouldn't risk it.
And ejohnh that sounds just plain stupid
toonyank
14-06-07, 09:25 PM
If they are saying 40mph then there must be a good reason for it. I wouldn't risk it.
And ejohnh that sounds just plain stupid
I'm with you! The technology in tyres now days rates at probably an average of 120mph and that's for an un blemished tyre. The fact that a tyre has been punctured severely alters it's entire capability. I wouldn't risk it.
kwak zzr
14-06-07, 09:39 PM
a proper mushroom vulcanized patch fitted to the inside of the tyre is fine but i'd get the temp plug replaced ASAP they are only a temporary thing.
Think some people are mistaking a roadside TEMPORARY repair for a proper drill and repair job. I was told by a motorbike tyre shop there should be no problem at all regarding speed after I'd had a tyre repaired off the wheel in the shop and in fact maxed the bike out and rode on track. Don't risk your life and possibly others. Can't imagine anything worse than a blow out on a bike. Seek more advise from other experienced members on here regarding integrity of tyre after a proper repair although I'm sure the bike shop I used would rather have stung me for a new tyre.
;)
The technology in tyres now days rates at probably an average of 120mph and that's for an un blemished tyre. The fact that a tyre has been punctured severely alters it's entire capability.
????? A Z rated tyre (Which I'm sure yours is) is good for 150 mph+. Bike manufacturers simply aren't stupid enough to put tyres on a bike that won't handle it's top speed.
http://www.blackcircles.com/general/speedrating
http://www.etyres.co.uk/glossary-tyre-terms?term=speed-rating
http://www.performancealloys.com/tyre_tech.asp
I don't think the law would allow tyre repair shops to repair tyres if it would severely alter it's capability.
They are not allowed to repair on certain areas of the tyre or after a certain amount of damage (hole size). Take this from someone who used to fit and repair tyres for a major insurance company in one of their bodyshops.
phil24_7
14-06-07, 10:50 PM
A roadside repair without removing the tyre is just a get you home and outta the s**t measure. Take it easy and get it properly repaired soon!
Regards
tomjones2
14-06-07, 11:08 PM
40 mph is probaly over kill, def wouldn't do more than 100 though, personally wouldn't do more than 55-60 on it and I would get it changed at the first oportunity. I have used that gunk stuff and it consitently good to around 100 anything over it starts leaking.
I have also had a "properly" repaied tyre fail on me after a few days!
Neither tyre deflated dramitcally though, even with the plug missing leaving a 2mm hole I only noticed in the garage. However I have a feeling the plug was pushed out by a rouge stone on the gravel drive because from experience I know that after the tyre has dropped around 10psi it really starts to show even at sedate speeds, I certainly would have noticed a flat anyway. Still no excuse for it failing though, the guy in the shop said it was a good as a normal tyre.
toonyank
14-06-07, 11:17 PM
I don't think the law would allow tyre repair shops to repair tyres if it would severely alter it's capability
I'm only saying better safe than sorry..... after all this tyre repair company recommended 40mph max for 280 miles. Are you telling him to go for it and forget it??
Besides I meant average for tyres not sport tyres.
21QUEST
14-06-07, 11:42 PM
I use the stringy type kit myself and have never had a problem :smt035 ;)
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=80563&highlight=TYRE+REPAIR
Ben
I'm only saying better safe than sorry..... after all this tyre repair company recommended 40mph max for 280 miles. Are you telling him to go for it and forget it??
Besides I meant average for tyres not sport tyres.
Not at all. It was a roadside repair done by the RAC. I'm saying keep to what the RAC man said and when the tyre's been repaired properly (i.e. not by the RAC man but by a profesional tyre fitter/repairer) do what the tyre man says, and that you can't really put an average speed on any tyres as they're speed rated (unless you want to add up all the speed ratings and divide them by the amount of different speed ratings by which time you've done that you'd get a silly number which meant nothing).
I wouldn't put peoples lives at risk by giving them silly advise like it should be good up to 100mph, I'd rather enforce what the pros have told him and err on the side of caution.
I am a bit confused about the 280 miles thing though?
toonyank
15-06-07, 06:59 AM
I am a bit confused about the 280 miles thing though?
I was too I think that's there recommended max but why not 300 miles:rolleyes:
If it was me I'd change it straight away for a new one. At the end of the day you have 2 rather small patches of rubber between soft you and hard tarmac...ain't worth the risk imo.
I recently had a nail in my rear tyre when it was 2 weeks old. luckily I was going to the tyre shop for a front anyway.
I asked about the nail, saying I was quite happy to ride on it, but for a few reasons they advised against that. Still, they checked to see if I was loosing air, and I was, so something needed doing about it.
I asked about bunging the rear and he said he could, but you're limited to speed with a bung. I asked what the limit was, and his reply was "Well, keep to the speed limit, but you do that anyway, right? :rolleyes: ". 40mph sounds odd, but then, I was talking to a guy that does bike tyres for a living, not an RAC spanner monkey.
In the end, I bought a pair of PR2s and the old Z6 rear is being sent off to Metzler for proper repair free of charge (because I use the same place for tyres and I'm there so damn often! Metzler probably charge them for this, but they're not passing the cost to me). I just have to pay for the rubber fitting again later.
If I had an RAC guy plug my tyre, I'd want it changed ASAP regardless of what they said really.
Just got back in , got rear tyre changed , have ridden with proper repair no problems , but was not happy with the temp bung , took the back rodes & kept to 50 - 60 mph , the roads were really flooded & everywhere was grid locked , I went to Central Wheel Birmingham , there was guy who had tyres fitted to a vfr which was trailored , he set off about 45 mins before I had got my tyre changed and passed him after about 2 miles !
The good news it I can go to the West Mids meet tomorrow now , just gotta scrub that tyre in now , hope it stops raining as its thundering & p#ssing down at the moment .
Cheers Steve
Robw#70
15-06-07, 06:09 PM
The other problem with temp bungs is if they are the glue type then you cant always ream the hole out to fit a proper plug afterwards.
The same goes for tyre weld type stuff, this softens the rubber inside the tyre making it impossible to stick a mushroom type on the inside.
Some temp repairs mean you have to replace the tyre!!
caz650s
22-07-07, 09:35 AM
I recently had a nail in my rear tyre when it was 2 weeks old. luckily I was going to the tyre shop for a front anyway.
I asked about the nail, saying I was quite happy to ride on it, but for a few reasons they advised against that. Still, they checked to see if I was loosing air, and I was, so something needed doing about it.
I asked about bunging the rear and he said he could, but you're limited to speed with a bung. I asked what the limit was, and his reply was "Well, keep to the speed limit, but you do that anyway, right? :rolleyes: ". 40mph sounds odd, but then, I was talking to a guy that does bike tyres for a living, not an RAC spanner monkey.
In the end, I bought a pair of PR2s and the old Z6 rear is being sent off to Metzler for proper repair free of charge (because I use the same place for tyres and I'm there so damn often! Metzler probably charge them for this, but they're not passing the cost to me). I just have to pay for the rubber fitting again later.
If I had an RAC guy plug my tyre, I'd want it changed ASAP regardless of what they said really.
I am a RAC patrol (not a spanner monkey)
I in fact I have the highest Master Technician qualification you can get in the UK.
The 40mph 280 miles is set by the manufacturers of the repair kit...not the RAC .
If you were sat at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere with a puncture and a RAC Patrol offered do carry out a temp repair to get you on the way you could always decline as he is only a 'Spanner Monkey' and carry on pushing ;)
I am a RAC patrol (not a spanner monkey)
I in fact I have the highest Master Technician qualification you can get in the UK.
The 40mph 280 miles is set by the manufacturers of the repair kit...not the RAC .
If you were sat at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere with a puncture and a RAC Patrol offered do carry out a temp repair to get you on the way you could always decline as he is only a 'Spanner Monkey' and carry on pushing ;)
I have been a member of the RAC for almost twenty years , and they have always offered great service & have responded really quickly . Being skint I have run a collection of old un-reliable cars & bikes over the years and have called on the RAC to get me out of the s##t loads of time .
Cheers Steve
Having experienced a blow out, 6 inch nail through rear tyre side wall at 50 mph, all I can say is that it happens very quickly and all I had time to do at the time was drop both feet to the ground hang on and coast to a stop in the middle of the road, it was a left hander, luckily for me staying up right.
I would always have this nigling doubt that possibly the fix would fail, just me perhaps, but doubts are never a good thing when you ride.
Tyres are relatively cheep, buy another as soon as. The RAC man did his job and got you home, is all.
caz650s
22-07-07, 11:59 AM
I have been a member of the RAC for almost twenty years , and they have always offered great service & have responded really quickly . Being skint I have run a collection of old un-reliable cars & bikes over the years and have called on the RAC to get me out of the s##t loads of time .
Cheers Steve:)
Cheers for that Steve...all the patrols I know do their best to help and would err on the side of caution and have a Bike recovered rather than carry out a temp tyre repair if they had any doubts about how safe it would be.
Sid Squid
22-07-07, 12:46 PM
And ejohnh that sounds just plain stupid
I'm with you! The technology in tyres now days rates at probably an average of 120mph and that's for an un blemished tyre. The fact that a tyre has been punctured severely alters it's entire capability. I wouldn't risk it.
Me too.
A temporary repair has been done, nothing else.
It is not the same as having the tyre removed, an internal inspection and a repair to the relevant standards done.
Anyone who thinks different is a tit.
northwind
22-07-07, 12:50 PM
As RandyO says, tyre plugs aren't made of dynamite. In other words, when they fail you can usually expect to just get another puncture much like the first. But still, I don't like ever getting a puncture at high speeds, regardless of how small, which is why I'd get it mushroomed. It's not generally expensive, though it can be tricky to find a shop that'll do it. Once that's been done, I'll treat the tyre exactly like any other, but even though a temporary repair could well do me the life of the tyre, I'd rather not find out personally.
Me too.
A temporary repair has been done, nothing else.
It is not the same as having the tyre removed, an internal inspection and a repair to the relevant standards done.
Anyone who thinks different is a tit.
Are we allowed to say tit on here?
Sid Squid
03-08-07, 07:05 AM
Are we allowed to say tit on here?
Well I did, and I'm a moderator, so yes - we can*.
So ner :D.
*Obviously I await a reprimand from my fellow Mods if that's wrong of course - but I'll not accept chastisement unopposed I can assure you, they'll never take me alive I tells ya! etc etc.
RhythmJunkie
07-08-07, 03:23 PM
I've had ultraseal in my rear GSX750F tyre for several months and given it a bashing. No difference in puncture (ie not bigger or worse), still sealed.
The only difference being I don't have to put a few pounds of air in it as often as I used to cos everything is sealed better!
Tested to 150mph lasts for life of tyre, oh come on chaps, you take a risk riding a damn bike in the first place, surely you aint going to start umming and arring about a flippin puncture??
If you are blatting down a lane and hit a fallen twig or rock you could be looking at an angel close up but it doesn't stop you giving that right wrist a little leverage!
Fear doesn't prevent you feathering the edges of those tyres when rounding the apex of a bend with trucks passing by on the other side. You lose it that way you are squashed mate!
The RAC are covering themselves against liability on the million to one chance the repair fails!
If you are worried about a blow out from a neat hole puncture, I'm sure teriyakimonkey will confirm this, it won't. Tyres are incredibly tough and blowouts are caused by abuse, sidewall damage due to kerb parking, too much weight, wrong pressure, constant high speed, add them all together and you could be looking at a blowout and thats a heavy car. You are not going to get damaged sidewalls due to kerb parking on a bike.
I used to make remoulds and believe me a tyre is an immensely strong piece of kit which requires serious abuse to make it blowout!
Riding fast used to frighten me untill I saw how tough they were!
Have you seen the abuse they take on the track and by stunt riders?? Sheeeeesh!
F1 tyres blow out but they are extremely light weight and thin and under extreme stresses and temperatures....road bike tyre, different kettle o' fish!
RhythmJunkie
07-08-07, 03:27 PM
Having experienced a blow out, 6 inch nail through rear tyre side wall at 50 mph
...but thats a nail in your sidewall dude, not a repaired tread puncture!
Once a proper repair is done problem solved! Or ultraseal the blighter! The RAC one will do for now but if you abuse it, it may pop out!! ;)
RhythmJunkie
07-08-07, 03:31 PM
The only blow out I've experienced was on a racing cycle with very thin tyres and a hawthorn twig stuck through the 'sidewall' rounding a fast bend at the bottom of a hill and phut...down she went! Still got the scars! :)
Sidewalls are definately dodgy territory!
RhythmJunkie
07-08-07, 04:10 PM
Anyone got conned by the nitrogen brigade yet?
Good for keeping moisture out of your binoculars but bike tyres??
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/nitrogen.html
SoulKiss
07-08-07, 04:11 PM
Hey RJ
You are supposed to let other people post in a thread before you have another go :P
HEHE
David
RhythmJunkie
07-08-07, 04:40 PM
Yeah sorry dude got carried away there! :)
Hi guys, I'm REXER from the zrx owners club. I found this thread after a search for temporary puncture repair info.
Today I had a front tyre puncture about 130 miles from home and the RAC insisted on a temporary repair rather than the recovery service that I also have with them.
There were no tyre shops open unfortunately, so I was offered a temporary repair or pay for the recovery myself. The manager was called out because I refused a repair. Theres no way I would ever choose to ride with a permanent front tyre repair, nevermind a temporary one
The temporary puncture repairs that the RAC do are only rated at 6mm max for a tyre rating up to J, and 3mm max for J to V rated tyres.
The manager was called out and he showed me this information on his laptop.
They are not listed as being suitable for tyres above V speed rating, the ZRX has a Z speed rating.
I am a RAC patrol (not a spanner monkey)
I in fact I have the highest Master Technician qualification you can get in the UK.
The 40mph 280 miles is set by the manufacturers of the repair kit...not the RAC .
If you were sat at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere with a puncture and a RAC Patrol offered do carry out a temp repair to get you on the way you could always decline as he is only a 'Spanner Monkey' and carry on pushing ;)
The RAC guys were excellent but didn't know about the speed rating restrictions on temporary puncture repairs.
I wasn't impressed with their lack of knowledge of the repair kits limitations by speed rating of tyres as set by the manufacturers of the repair kit.
thefallenangel
20-04-09, 03:17 AM
Hi guys, I'm REXER from the zrx owners club. I found this thread after a search for temporary puncture repair info.
Today I had a front tyre puncture about 130 miles from home and the RAC insisted on a temporary repair rather than the recovery service that I also have with them.
There were no tyre shops open unfortunately, so I was offered a temporary repair or pay for the recovery myself. The manager was called out because I refused a repair. Theres no way I would ever choose to ride with a permanent front tyre repair, nevermind a temporary one
The temporary puncture repairs that the RAC do are only rated at 6mm max for a tyre rating up to J, and 3mm max for J to V rated tyres.
The manager was called out and he showed me this information on his laptop.
They are not listed as being suitable for tyres above V speed rating, the ZRX has a Z speed rating.
The RAC guys were excellent but didn't know about the speed rating restrictions on temporary puncture repairs.
I wasn't impressed with their lack of knowledge of the repair kits limitations by speed rating of tyres as set by the manufacturers of the repair kit.
Surely this would be marked up on the kit no? And there's nothing wrong with lifelong repairs. I've used one fine as long as it's in the right place and done correctly.
Surely this would be marked up on the kit no? And there's nothing wrong with lifelong repairs. I've used one fine as long as it's in the right place and done correctly.
No idea what the kit packaging looks like so maybe it is masrked on the pack.
The tools, plugs, etc were in a sort of tupperware box in his van.
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