View Full Version : New Busa - Discuss!!
Just found this. 2008 Busa.
What you reckon? I love it.....Too much for me to handle though I reckon!!
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211/sevorgnayr/GSX1300R_Blue_r.jpg
dont like the exhausts or the back end!
Alpinestarhero
04-07-07, 09:10 PM
I thought they knocked the 'busa on the head with the ugly stick one time too many, halting further production of it?
Matt
it's like a gixxer thou up front crossed with an old TL at the back...
toonyank
04-07-07, 09:23 PM
dont like the exhausts or the back end!
Still I wouldn't feel embarrased on her :cool:
nor would i and if you were good enough on her not many people would be able to see very much of the back end
it looks too fat
It's apparently a great shape, aerodynamically, which is why they haven't changed it a lot.
Looks good to me, I'd happily scare myself to death on one.
StreetHawk
04-07-07, 09:43 PM
it's the ugliest bike i've seen for a while - don't see why anyone needs 198bhp on a road bike!
Jelster
04-07-07, 10:02 PM
it's the ugliest bike i've seen for a while - don't see why anyone needs 198bhp on a road bike!
That's probably because you have never ridden one. 'Busa... What a bike. 160mph and it feels like 70 on your SVS. So stable and comfortable, and yet in the right hands (not mine I may add) it can go round bends like a SS600.
I think those on the North/South ride experienced one being ridden by a master craftsman...
I thought they knocked the 'busa on the head with the ugly stick one time too many, halting further production of it?
Matt
They have...at least I think they have. I read there was 1 more coming, a special edition something or other but then they will carry the name over to a completely new bike later on.
don't see why anyone needs 198bhp on a road bike!
Probably because they are simply annoyed at that special edition MV that punts out 197bhp. Must. Go. Faster.
dirtydog
05-07-07, 07:07 AM
I think that is probably the ugliest bike i have ever seen!!!!!
Dave The Rave
05-07-07, 07:16 AM
It's one of those things you love or hate. Nothing between. Like Marmite I suppose? Personally I love it. It looks so imposing in the flesh and the power. Pure incarnation of power.
It looks like the Fat lady at the Opera
Jelster
05-07-07, 07:37 AM
It looks like the Fat lady at the Opera
And it sings a wonderful tune too....
It's not ugly, it's different.
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And it sings a wonderful tune too....
It's not ugly, it's different.
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Not doubt it would bring the house down. I wouldnt call it ugly - maybe its just the pic - it makes you want to step back 10 metres to get a better look.
must find 8k
must find 8k
must find 8k
must find 8k
:reaper:
Steve H
05-07-07, 07:54 AM
Nice to know it exists. :smt077
I have absolutely no desire to own one.
Excess overkill imo. =;
Luckypants
05-07-07, 07:59 AM
I think those on the North/South ride experienced one being ridden by a master craftsman...
Indeed - anyone going that quick in the rain with 180 bhp on tap gets my respect.
Have never liked the looks of the Busa and the new one is uglier IMHO. The current bike looks a lot better sans hump and I think this one will too.
not something I hanker after, but you got to admire the sheer speed of the thing.
Respect it oh yes, like the look of it (from that picture and others I have seen so far) oh no...
Still, I bet its ear-bleedingly fast!!
weazelz
05-07-07, 08:18 AM
... and yet in the right hands (not mine I may add) it can go round bends like a SS600
so, in the right hands, does a ss600 go round corners better than an ss600? :confused:
Ceri JC
05-07-07, 08:18 AM
I always liked the aesthetics of the old one, but I don't really like the way this one looks (which is odd, considering how similar they are). My choice would still be the 2004 ltd. edition 'stealth' version, but with an earlier full power engine.
Bluewolf
05-07-07, 08:23 AM
Jelly mould. Not a fan I'm afraid. =;
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, 'Busa.
OK it's fat, fugly and should have a sign saying "Caution: Wide Load" instead of a number plate...
... Kinda like my 'Blade really. ;)
Which is probably why I goddamn love it - it's the only thing that could possibly tempt me to trade in the BlueBlade...
... though it's safe as I couldn't afford a new bike anyway.
So - Fat - I'd call it 'curvacious'.
Fugly - ahhh, but lovely hair and a great personality. ;)
'Wide Load' - well, so is Santa's sleigh, and think of all the gifts of enjoyment that carries. :p
Jelster
05-07-07, 09:40 AM
so, in the right hands, does a ss600 go round corners better than an ss600? :confused:
Now that's a stupid question...
My point is, they have a reputation for being difficult to go round corners at speed. Which is not the case as I have witnessed myself on the tight hairpins of the Grand St Bernard.
Pete was whacking his 'Busa round them quicker than me on my 'Blade and over took some French guy on a GSXR600 by going round the outside of him. And the guy on the Gixer was no slouch.
Like anything you have to get used to them, but having ridden one myself I have to say that there is a place in my heart for such a beast. Whether there'll ever be a place in my garage is a different matter.....
And in the right hands, a SS600 can go round bends like a GP bike ;)
Luckypants
05-07-07, 09:41 AM
... Kinda like my 'Blade really. ;)
Which is probably why I goddamn love it - it's the only thing that could possibly tempt me to trade in the BlueBlade...
... though it's safe as I couldn't afford a new bike anyway.
Can you get it in black?
Can you get it in black?
I'd have to check - I mean, that blue's not quite dark enough for my discerning taste. :cool: :p
northwind
05-07-07, 11:15 AM
That's probably because you have never ridden one. 'Busa... What a bike.
I didn't like it much myself, too fast felt too slow :) but I was very impressed with how well it does handle, it's much slower turning than most sportsbikes but so stable. Took me a while to adapt to it but once I did it was ace. Doesn't feel at all heavy either. I wouldn't want to try squaring off corners on it like you can on a really sharp bike, mind. Preferred the Blackbird as a better allrounder and nearly as good rocketship though. Never did try the daft Kwaks or BMWs.
Not my sort of bike at all really, they excel at things I don't really want to do, but that doesn't make them bad- and when you look at the Busa and Blackbird, they're both old designs and both still absolutely ace bikes.
plowsie
05-07-07, 11:21 AM
I liiiike, is very niiiice. I dont like the exhaust but could soon change that. Deffo in black though.
toonyank
05-07-07, 12:14 PM
it's the ugliest bike i've seen for a while - don't see why anyone needs 198bhp on a road bike!
Have you seen the Shiver on the other thread, now that's far too pointy than a very pointy pointy :p
Just found this. 2008 Busa.
What you reckon? I love it.....Too much for me to handle though I reckon!!
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211/sevorgnayr/GSX1300R_Blue_r.jpg
I see Mr Busa-designer still hasn't recovered from melting his specs on a hot radiator.
don't see why anyone needs 198bhp on a road bike!
Because they can. No other reason needed.
You don't need 100bhp for the road, or even 75bhp to break the speed limits by a big margin.
Whenever you are near a busa - you are plainly aware that it is something special (different) and although owning one would never interest me. I like it because it is just that DIFFERENT and admire its power and potential.Is there any other news on Suzuki's other 2008 models? Anyone heard anything?
That's probably because you have never ridden one. 'Busa... What a bike. 160mph and it feels like 70 on your SVS. So stable and comfortable, and yet in the right hands (not mine I may add) it can go round bends like a SS600.
I think those on the North/South ride experienced one being ridden by a master craftsman...
Which reminds me - is Long Tall Sally...
... er, I mean BusaPete single?
If not, can I go out with his bike?
;) :p
DanAbnormal
05-07-07, 02:10 PM
Nope, still ugly as sin. Uglier in fact.
Talk about lazy design, it looks almost identical to the last ugly heap. I saw some concept drawings which always look amazing, but as usual the real thing dissapoints. Lazy Mr Suzuki! I'm sure it flies though.
Jelster
05-07-07, 03:16 PM
Which reminds me - is Long Tall Sally...
... er, I mean BusaPete single?
If not, can I go out with his bike?
;) :p
Errr no, he has a 25 year old 6ft blonde French/Belgian girlfriend, who has a degree in psychology, and they are getting married next year.
She recently passed her test too, and rides his XT660 when he's not using it for commuting.
kwak zzr
05-07-07, 03:58 PM
dont like the busa never have done, theres more attractive ways of going fast.
gettin2dizzy
05-07-07, 05:10 PM
Which reminds me - is Long Tall Sally...
... er, I mean BusaPete single?
If not, can I go out with his bike?
;) :p
see size DOES count! ;)
StreetHawk
05-07-07, 05:26 PM
Have you seen the Shiver on the other thread, now that's far too pointy than a very pointy pointy :p
I like the Shiver actually :p
Can see myself getting a more upright style bike in a few years, maybe keeping a sports bike too I can afford it. I like the Street Triple too, I see they are releasing a load of add-ons for it aswell so it can be individual from new. Good price too - £5350 or so..
Sure, I've not ridden a Busa but 198bhp seems highy dangerous to me! I'd rather have a bike with less power that handled and stopped quicker than anything else..
A right ugly fat b@&tard of a bike. Never liked the Busa regardless of how fast it can go.
Jelster
05-07-07, 09:42 PM
Sure, I've not ridden a Busa but 198bhp seems highy dangerous to me! I'd rather have a bike with less power that handled and stopped quicker than anything else..
Oh it stops aright.... :smt045
You do all realise that it is that "ugly" I mean shape because of its aerodynamics... It's got the lowest drag coefficient of any bike on the road (road... not GP bikes).
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Which reminds me - is Long Tall Sally...
... er, I mean BusaPete single?
If not, can I go out with his bike?
;) :p
Errr no, he has a 25 year old 6ft blonde French/Belgian girlfriend, who has a degree in psychology, and they are getting married next year.
She recently passed her test too, and rides his XT660 when he's not using it for commuting.
Oh dear what a pity, the boy's taken...
... I'll just have to make do with his bike then. ;):smt077
STRAMASHER
05-07-07, 10:45 PM
Another ****e new Suzuki?:rolleyes:
k7 gixxer,B-urger King and now that! 10yr old design.Lazy as feck. I'll have a zzr14 with the new Busa engine please.
Another ****e new Suzuki?:rolleyes:
k7 gixxer,B-urger King and now that! 10yr old design.Lazy as feck. I'll have Kawasaki's remake of the RF900 with the new Busa engine please.
Odd choice
I think those on the North/South ride experienced one being ridden by a master craftsman...
Whatcha mean? I didn't know you all knew about my test ride!:cool:
I came away thinking it's not that exciting, I don't have to have one, but I haven't been looking at anything else but on ebay since :-dd.
Agreed, yes the owner rider's a craftsman.
northwind
06-07-07, 11:14 PM
You do all realise that it is that "ugly" I mean shape because of its aerodynamics... It's got the lowest drag coefficient of any bike on the road (road... not GP bikes).
It's not massively less than many others that are less ugly, the front end is an exercise in styling much like a streamliner train- the huge hump and flat sides do more for reducing drag, but most drag still comes from the rider and the ragged rear end. The Blackbird comes very close to achieving the same and it's purty.
GP bikes aren't especially aerodynamic, less so than the Busa in fact, it's been shown to be pretty much a blind alley for bikes to push drag reduction to that extent.
Ceri JC
07-07-07, 09:22 AM
GP bikes aren't especially aerodynamic, less so than the Busa in fact, it's been shown to be pretty much a blind alley for bikes to push drag reduction to that extent.
And isn't a side effect of bikes with 'dustbin like' fairings (which are very aerodynamic) that they crash at the slightest hint of a crosswind? ;)
Jelster
07-07-07, 04:58 PM
It's not massively less than many others that are less ugly, the front end is an exercise in styling much like a streamliner train- the huge hump and flat sides do more for reducing drag, but most drag still comes from the rider and the ragged rear end. The Blackbird comes very close to achieving the same and it's purty.
GP bikes aren't especially aerodynamic, less so than the Busa in fact, it's been shown to be pretty much a blind alley for bikes to push drag reduction to that extent.
When I went with Pete to Bruntingthorpe for the "200mph.org" thing, guys were removing mirrors, taping their leathers tight around their arms & legs, all that sort of thing, because when you get to 180mph plus, aerodynamics have a big effect. In fact, just removing the mirrors can give 3-5 mph.
One guy had "fairing" over the bars to push the air over his arms, and he had a weird screen that allowed him to have a larger "cockpit" area. He topped out at 209mph average over 2 runs. Pete managed 199.8 on his first run, and 202.2 on his second, so he got his "200 mph" certificate....
Interesting watching the lengths people go to, Loads of carbon body work, carbon wheels etc. There was some bloke on a turbo'ed ZX12 who averaged 212 mph, with his mirrors etc on. He just turned up, did 1 attempt (2 runs) and left, after blowing everybody else away. No faffing about with screens, bodywork and his leathers. Real cool that was....
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Pedrosa
07-07-07, 07:52 PM
Busa? If you are concerned about the aesthetics then you really are missing the point with that bike and it really is not something you should ever consider. It was built with a purpose and one that it addresses very well indeed. Not for me but I do appreciate what they are about.End of discussion.
I saw a busa today with Corona Replica Paintwork and it was the best Busa i have seen. I don't see much of a radical change in Mr. Suzuki's design with the new one though, still massive in everyway. Looks abit too bulky for me :rolleyes:
GP bikes aren't especially aerodynamic, less so than the Busa in fact
Do you have a source of information for that claim? I know bikes are not a particularly aerodynamic shape, but I can't think of any reason why a GP bike would be a less aerodynamic shape than any road bike.
busasean
08-07-07, 08:37 AM
I've had my busa 3 years now and I still absolutely love it. yes it is overkill on the road, however coming back from Silverstone Formula 1 qualifying on the M40 yesterday I was playing with a Lambogini (?) an Aston martin and a masarati. getting up to 170mph with (a very ****ed off) g/f on the back. thats when it makes very silly sense. its funny though when the busa first came out, I hated its looks, but as soon as the black "stealth" model was released i was hooked. three things let the bike down though. 1) suspension is too soft which made it run wide everywhere. i took it to HM racing in orpington and had the front fork internals changed and the suspension set up by Ohlins. it turns like my sv now!!!!! 2) the brakes are appalling for a modern bike. mine are changed now! goodridge hoses, braking wavey discs and performance friction pads, still not as good as my sv brakes though. 3) fuel consumption is heavy. 300 miles yesterday cost me £65 in fuel.
2004 busa, dymag wheels, upgraded suspension, front braking wavey discs with carbon rotors, wavey rear disc with "hayabusa" logo lazer cut, harris rear sets, carbon Akrapovic race cans, pipercross filter, powercommander, deristricted, carbon hugger, carbon mudguard, iridium double bubble screen, crash bungs, fork sliders, ........and a very nice bank manager.
I cant work out how to post pics but if someone else would post them up I'll pm them pics!:D
3) fuel consumption is heavy. 300 miles yesterday cost me £65 in fuel.
'Kin hell... my 1978 MG B can do that many miles on £45!:eek:
busasean
08-07-07, 12:15 PM
yeah, but i bet its not as much fun.;) have you ever ridden a busa k? if youre ever in Hastings......:cool:
Anyway as for the new busa i do like it in the pictures, however got to see it in the flesh so to speak.
DanAbnormal
08-07-07, 01:38 PM
still not as good as my sv brakes though.
Now that is scary being as SV brakes are pretty poor!
Jelster
08-07-07, 04:31 PM
My mates Busa has GSXR1000 brakes (I think)...
yeah, but i bet its not as much fun.;) have you ever ridden a busa k? if youre ever in Hastings......:cool:
Anyway as for the new busa i do like it in the pictures, however got to see it in the flesh so to speak.
Hastings eh... :twisted:
Strange to say though, given the right mood, driving my car is as good as the bike. I've had it 11 years now and it still gives me a silly grin.
300 miles yesterday cost me £65 in fuel.
21 mpg at 170, I doubt the Lamborghini, Aston Martin or Maserati were getting that! :thumbsup:
Do you have a source of information for that claim? I know bikes are not a particularly aerodynamic shape, but I can't think of any reason why a GP bike would be a less aerodynamic shape than any road bike.
This could well be true as GP bikes have to conform to the strict FIM regs concerning bodywork with most sport bikes being copies of the GP bikes.
Perhaps Suzuki have bent the rules with the Busa, looks as though there is too much plastic obscuring the wheels for a start.
More info here http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/aero.html
Seen one in the flesh and liked it but too big, heavy and fast for me though.
northwind
09-07-07, 02:42 PM
Do you have a source of information for that claim? I know bikes are not a particularly aerodynamic shape, but I can't think of any reason why a GP bike would be a less aerodynamic shape than any road bike.
Yeah, it was a comment from HRC, though I've seen others say the same. The front end of the RC211V ended up being redesigned for downforce not for drag reduction apparently. How they compare with most road bikes I don't really know, but in one of the magazines they had a comparison with a Busa and the Busa was slippier. It was put down to the Busa's tail end
Remember, it's not about the frontage so much- like I mentioned bikes are inherently pretty unaerodynamic because of the rear, you could build a very slippy bike but then you sit a rider on it...
Not to suggest they don't think about aerodynamics on the race bikes- just that they don't go all out for drag reduction in the way you might expect.
Yeah, it was a comment from HRC, though I've seen others say the same. The front end of the RC211V ended up being redesigned for downforce not for drag reduction apparently. How they compare with most road bikes I don't really know, but in one of the magazines they had a comparison with a Busa and the Busa was slippier. It was put down to the Busa's tail end
Remember, it's not about the frontage so much- like I mentioned bikes are inherently pretty unaerodynamic because of the rear, you could build a very slippy bike but then you sit a rider on it...
Not to suggest they don't think about aerodynamics on the race bikes- just that they don't go all out for drag reduction in the way you might expect.
Downforce? Maybe reduction of lift, but yeah, I get what you're saying. I suppose the GP bike is constrained as much, if not more, than the Busa - but by other things (beside competition regulations), like compact dimensions most significantly, I suspect, although styling probably plays a large part too. Nobody at Honda would be thrilled if the next GP bike was all 90s curves, bulges and louvres.
That said, I bet that the overall drag of a GP bike is very close, if not less than the Busa, even if the 'Busa shape is marginally more aerodynamic, simply because it's a much smaller frontal area.
northwind
09-07-07, 07:11 PM
Downforce? Maybe reduction of lift, but yeah, I get what you're saying.
Yes, you're quite right there now i think about it.
gettin2dizzy
23-07-07, 01:13 PM
I initially thought it was super ugly
then i heard it'll do 225mph unrestricted!
*wants* :(
then i heard it'll do 225mph unrestricted!
Kerrrryst! :o:o:o
Where did you hear that?
gettin2dizzy
23-07-07, 01:21 PM
two wheels only mag. It's restricted to 186 though.
two wheels only mag. It's restricted to 186 though.
yea it must be hard only being able to do 186 ..... :rolleyes:
sv650sfan
24-07-07, 03:52 AM
Speed & engine power are great BUT this is not a bike for me. I know my limits well.
By the way, I think the front end has improved but the rear - there's only one word - UGLY.:( They should have kept the old rear and taken on the new front.
it looks too fat
It's phat!
the_runt69
24-07-07, 07:10 AM
Would love one but it would be a waste on my commute to work and be a serious danger to both my licence and life, im not a good enough rider to handle that power and not sensable enough not to twist the throttle .
Jelster
24-07-07, 07:29 AM
two wheels only mag. It's restricted to 186 though.
All 'Busa's imported into Europe have been restricted for about 3 or 4 years now.. "Derestriction" isn't difficult as far as I'm aware, but 150 is fast enough, it's just how easily you get there that's impressive.
micky t
24-07-07, 07:15 PM
yep, hubby has a blue /silver busa and loves it to death, i still thinks is soooooo ugly, but apparently it about riding it, or so im told,:smt102, and as im way to short to even attempt a go, i'll have to take his word for it, mind the acceleration on it is awesomew on the back:shaking2: a few of his mates are on the list for when the new one comes out, so will be interesting to see how it compares with the old one
yep, hubby has a blue /silver busa and loves it to death, i still thinks is soooooo ugly, but apparently it about riding it, or so im told,:smt102, and as im way to short to even attempt a go, i'll have to take his word for it, mind the acceleration on it is awesomew on the back:shaking2: a few of his mates are on the list for when the new one comes out, so will be interesting to see how it compares with the old one
cool - keep us posted....I'm in mind for a hypercruiser!!
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