Sad Story-little boy+minibike = dead

[Spiderman]

What a sad story. Poor little kid...and his family of course.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23403238-details/Six-year-old+boy+dies+after+crashing+mini-motorbike+into+a+tree/article.do

Well i'm sure the nazi-dogooder-health-n-saftey-nannies will be up in arms calling for an outright ban on these bikes.

But the way i see it is that the same little kid could also have met with any number of other life depriving accidents so its not down to the bike alone is it?

Or is it?

So your opinions please, should all mini bikes be banned or do we need stricter licensing and regulations about age and power?

Opinions please.

[plowsie]

Not banned maybe supervision and like they say maybe a few little tracks for kids. Its good to see his parents haven't turned around and urged for all mini motorbikes to be stopped in production. But sad story, RIP lil man!

[ArtyLady]

:(

[Ceri JC]

Sad story, but I agree that he could have died any number of ways- a fall from a tree, a rough tackle in rugby, crashing a pushbike, etc. RIP littler fella.

[Grinch]

Well if PJ wants to ride bike then I will let him, though it will be with all the correct gear. I can only protect him so much, as I can I myself.

[hovis]

very sad, it does not say if he was wearing a helmet though

[Ping]

That's really sad... But I don't think restrictions are the right way to go. I agree with what his parents are saying:

"We believe consideration should be given to funding organised tracks through the local authority or lottery grants so that ordinary people can take their children to use their motorbikes in a safe and supervised place."

Thing is, as with most biking, it's the luck of the draw when you crash as to whether you survive/get severely injured/lightly injured or not (Even with the best protective gear, if you're unlucky it won't help). Many of us get lucky and learn from it, in this case the poor little guy was one of the ones who wasn't lucky. :(

RIP little biker dude. Sympathies to his family.

[DanAbnormal]

'Tis very sad. Why was he riding it on a nature reserve though? A little dangerous. I'm also willing to bet he wasn't wearing proper protective clothing. Why is it people seem to think that as it's a mini-moto you can' hurt yourself? Let's hope this does something to avoid further deaths and serious injury. Poor little fella, RIP.

[Blue_SV650S]

I have no sympathy or sorrow for this story!!

I can’t believe any of you genuinely do?!!?

A tragedy is when a bus falls off a cliff and runs through an orphanage; a tragedy is when some pervert 'violates' a small child.

I might feel some sorrow is a close friend/family lost their son, but why the hell do/should I care about some little oik I never heard of???

[Ping]

I have no sympathy or sorrow for this story!!

I can’t believe any of you genuinely do?!!?

A tragedy is when a bus falls off a cliff and runs through an orphanage; a tragedy is when some pervert 'violates' a small child.

I might feel some sorrow is a close friend/family lost their son, but why the hell do/should I care about some little oik I never heard of???
It wouldn't hurt to at least show a little respect for the dead without resorting to that sort of terminology. What's wrong with you? You have a right to your opinion but there are better ways to express it.

Edit: And yes I GENUINELY DO feel sadness for him and his family. The death of a child - no matter who's - is a sad thing.

[Blue_SV650S]

It wouldn't hurt to at least show a little respect for the dead without resorting to that sort of terminology. What's wrong with you? You have a right to your opinion but there are better ways to express it.

Edit: And yes I GENUINELY DO feel sadness for him and his family. The death of a child - no matter who's - is a sad thing.

How is it dissrespectfull for me to say I have no sorrow and simply don't care???

Tell me, why should I care???

[Ping]

I'm not saying you should care, I'm saying the way you've put your opinion across is callous and unpleasant. Calling the little guy 'some little oik'.

C'mon. :???:

[Blue_SV650S]

I'm not saying you should care, I'm saying the way you've put your opinion across is callous and unpleasant. Calling the little guy 'some little oik'.

C'mon. :???:

I just don't care (I really REALLY dont!!) ... is that callous? perhaps ... but I simply don't care ... why pretend I do?

As for 'unpleasent', I didn't really consider 'oik' to be an unpleasant term, is it?? Its just another way of saying little kid to me??

[kitkat]

How is it dissrespectfull for me to say I have no sorrow and simply don't care???

Tell me, why should I care???

this is completely heartless and unnecessary. if you dont care why post. or are you just doing it to get a reaction. death of anyone is sad. as a parent death of a child is particulary hard to hear. my thoughts are with his family who must be tearing themselves up over this accident. but you cannot wrap kids in cotton wool. at least he was doing what he loved.

[Ping]

I just don't care (I really REALLY dont!!) ... is that callous? perhaps ... but I simply don't care ...

As for 'unpleasent', I didn't really consider 'oik' to be an unpleasant term, is it?? Its just another way of saying little kid to me??
The way I've heard the term used has always been negative... like 'spotty little oik'.

Anyway. I guess it doesn't really matter. I just have to remember that tact isn't a requirement on internet forums. :p

[Ceri JC]

Blue_SV650s. I imagine a lot of people particularly empathise with the kid's family becuase they either do (or at some point in the future, might) have kids (of any age) who ride and worry about them.

You're entitled not to give a damn (I didn't care about Diana dying), but no need to slag off people who do.

[Ping]

Guys - before this turns into all-out warfare, we need to get one thing straight.

Blue isn't slagging anyone off. His only 'bad' was lack of tact.

Please don't let this get out of hand or I suspect the thread will end up locked or deleted.

[Blue_SV650S]

I didn't wish him dead, I just don't care that he is, not saying it is a good or bad thing. I also identified that I do care about people that are close to me, but I don’t care about EVERYONE in the world as a blanket thing!!

Why is it not acceptable to say that I don't care?! I have not said anything malicious or even commented on potential irresponsibility. I have passed no judgement as I don’t know the circumstances. All I know is that I don’t care and I am not going to pretend I do just to fall in line!! Why should it be censored if I say I don't care!!

[Blue_SV650S]

Blue isn't slagging anyone off. His only 'bad' was lack of tact.
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Thanks for identifying that ... I was wondering if everyone would go on the knee-jerk defensive and miss the facts ;)

[Ping]

I didn't wish him dead, I just don't care that he is, not saying it is a good or bad thing. I also identified that I do care about people that are close to me, but I don’t care about EVERYONE in the world as a blanket thing!!

Why is it not acceptable to say that I don't care?! I have not said anything malicious or even commented on potential irresponsibility. I have passed no judgement as I don’t know the circumstances. All I know is that I don’t care and I am not going to pretend I do just to fall in line!! Why should it be censored if I say I don't care!!
Erm.. No...

You're welcome to your opinion, just could've said it nicer is all, bearing in mind the mood of the previous posts.

[kitkat]

just dont understand why you felt the need to say you dont care. i read posts and if i dont care about content I dont reply. its just a sad thing hearing about people dying whether i know them or not.

[Ping]

Thanks for identifying that ... I was wondering if everyone would go on the knee-jerk defensive and miss the facts ;)
:) Mucho ofa the kneejerkage going on. :)

I'm hoping people read everything before any more flames pop up...

[Blue_SV650S]

Why did I post?!? :-

True, I don’t care about the boy, but I do care about minimotos. I also care why people think I should care, knowing no one else would post to agree with me, I wanted people that were bound not to agree, to express why I should!! :smt019

I also am intrigued behind some peoples psychology and need to delve further as they are so radically different to me/mine!! :study:

I just see a total lack of independent though ... is it due to religion or society or just the way their brains are wired? If so how come everyones is wired the same way under certain circumstances/situations?? :study:

[kitkat]

im not saying you should care, but why feel the urge to post to say you dont. there have been a few posts about people dying on bikes and most people either say something nice or RIP or nothing. it would just upset people if you posted saying well i dont care. just dont understand why? but in the big picture it really isnt important

[Grinch]

Blue you really are a mod headache sometimes...:???:

[andy]

I don't care per se, as I didn't know him, however I would never actually post that (I just did!!!!), the same as I would not post RIP or anything - I didn't know him!!!

However, I think in this situation it shows respect to the dead (and his poor parents) to keep mouth shut if you have nothing respectful to say.

Now Bluey has got me out of my box for saying something unhelpful (is that a tactful way of putting it?)

RIP little fella.....

[Blue_SV650S]

We didn't really ought to pollute this thread any more with this derail anyway.

Ok, so back to the beginning

“So your opinions please, should all mini bikes be banned or do we need stricter licensing and regulations about age and power?”

No. As improper use of minimotos is becoming a bigger and bigger issue, resources have been thrown at getting rid of the symptoms, not a cure for the problem, I feel proper facilities would be more beneficial to all and potentially reduce ‘street trouble’ from young kids as they have something fun to do. I have to travel over 200 miles to use my minimoto 'officially' :cry:

Also accidents WILL happen, but if a parent buys a kid a motorbike (he might have borrowed or pinched it I suppose, but at 6 he didn’t get it himself ;)) then they have to accept he might hurt himself, worst case die. But as someone said earlier, cotton wool or sitting at home on the PS2 isn’t the answer for a ‘healthy’ child either. Also he could have simply fallen out of a tree whilst climbing it and died, are you going to legislate against tree climbing??

[kwak zzr]

this happened 5 mins from my house:( sad to see a such a short life ended:( i do know of the boys parents, my thourghts are with them. RIP Kane.

[Pedrosa]

Blue's comments have value to himself if no one else. One can only question the insensitivity displayed in comparison with comments already passed on this thread.

We are not asking for the opinion of others on our recent choice of screen for a motorcycle are we? Therefore the overall topic is one with a reasonable amount of seriousness to it.

Sometimes one can abuse the "freedom of speech" offered by forums. Blue's controversial remarks for me rang of a lack of consideration for others and the failure to make the right decision on the wrong thread whether to pass a remark or not.

At the end of the day a young life has been ended. Personal knowledge of the individual in question has no baring on expressing a basic human emotion....sadness.

Of course Blue's contributions may just go down on the record as shameless trolling.

[Spiderman]

blah blah blah...

“So your opinions please, should all mini bikes be banned or do we need stricter licensing and regulations about age and power?”

No. As improper use of minimotos is becoming a bigger and bigger issue, resources have been thrown at getting rid of the symptoms, not a cure for the problem, I feel proper facilities would be more beneficial to all and potentially reduce ‘street trouble’ from young kids as they have something fun to do. I have to travel over 200 miles to use my minimoto 'officially' :cry:

Also accidents WILL happen, but if a parent buys a kid a motorbike (he might have borrowed or pinched it I suppose, but at 6 he didn’t get it himself ;)) then they have to accept he might hurt himself, worst case die. But as someone said earlier, cotton wool or sitting at home on the PS2 isn’t the answer for a ‘healthy’ child either. Also he could have simply fallen out of a tree whilst climbing it and died, are you going to legislate against tree climbing??

You finaly wrote something in this thread thats worth reading.

And no one said anywhere that you should/need to/ have to give a GENUINE damn about his death.

I'm curious as to why you want to question those who do give a damn tho.

Maybe your not giving a damn about anyone but those close to you and yours is why society is the way it is today. The reason why so many kids stick a knife in each other over the most minor things.

Maybe why the kid who killed that Kiyan Prince kid had to have 3 trials before a jury finaly found him guilty of murder and not manslaughter.

Maybe why he (and his leagal advisors) felt that telling the court he only meant to "scratch" the other boy with the knife was a justification of carrying a knife and being willing to use it.

Maybe, just maybe.

Its called EMPATHY you ******. Go look it up in a dictionary if you dont know what it means.
And please dont derail my threads pointlessly like this again. I try to post things that are important to me to get a grip of cos i'm uncertain about them. And i sure as sh.... dont need to read thru this kind of pointless argumentative posting before i find out the opinions of people regarding what i worte.

Also, thanks to Ping for keeping the peace on this thread. For you hun :kiss:

And everyone else....please stick to my original question/debate and dont derail this further regarding what Blue wrote or i'll just ask the mods to delete this thread and repost my original post.
Thanks :D

[dirtydog]

It wouldn't hurt to at least show a little respect for the dead without resorting to that sort of terminology. What's wrong with you? You have a right to your opinion but there are better ways to express it.

Edit: And yes I GENUINELY DO feel sadness for him and his family. The death of a child - no matter who's - is a sad thing.


I have to agree with Ping on this one, so you don't care fair enough that's upto you but there's no need to shout about being a callous oik!
and yes i do feel sadness for the child and his family. being a parent that is probably the worst thing that could happen.

As for Spideys question; no they shouldn't be banned but they should be used in a supervised area

[Blue_SV650S]

You finaly wrote something in this thread thats worth reading.

And no one said anywhere that you should/need to/ have to give a GENUINE damn about his death.

I'm curious as to why you want to question those who do give a damn tho.

Maybe your not giving a damn about anyone but those close to you and yours is why society is the way it is today. The reason why so many kids stick a knife in each other over the most minor things.

Maybe why the kid who killed that Kiyan Prince kid had to have 3 trials before a jury finaly found him guilty of murder and not manslaughter.

Maybe why he (and his leagal advisors) felt that telling the court he only meant to "scratch" the other boy with the knife was a justification of carrying a knife and being willing to use it.

Maybe, just maybe.

Its called EMPATHY you ******. Go look it up in a dictionary if you dont know what it means.
And please dont derail my threads pointlessly like this again. I try to post things that are important to me to get a grip of cos i'm uncertain about them. And i sure as sh.... dont need to read thru this kind of pointless argumentative posting before i find out the opinions of people regarding what i worte.

Also, thanks to Ping for keeping the peace on this thread. For you hun :kiss:

And everyone else....please stick to my original question/debate and dont derail this further regarding what Blue wrote or i'll just ask the mods to delete this thread and repost my original post.
Thanks :D

Can you not see the irony in what you just posted … :laughat:

Firstly you have been personally offensive. That is against forum regs and reason enough for your post, if not thread to be deleted!! [-X Fortunately I don’t care enough to report!! ;) Also use of swear words to express yourself is usually a sign of limited vocabulary. :smt019

Finally you then spend an entire lengthy post having a moan about a derail and just basically having a pop at me. Not a single comment in this lengthy post on my VIEW regarding minimoto usage, thus belittling the importance of the initial thread over simply having a pop at me. Which lets face it, just keep the thread I tried to re-rail – de-railed!!! :D

Its got irony after irony hasn’t it!?! :D

Anyway BACK to topic.

How do these kids get fuel for their minimotos?? You have to be 16 right? So there must be an adult supplying the fuel?? Also you wouldn’t let a 6yr old loose with a jerry can right?? So we can perhaps presume it was under adult supervision and just unlucky they hit a tree.

But if you want your Mr Rossi’s and Ricky Carmichael’s of this world you have to start them young … there is a danger factor associated with that.

[fizzwheel]

Oh dear...

Blue have you ever thought that perhaps it might be wise to think about what you post and how what you say might be received by other people ?

Seems to me sometimes that perhaps you go deliberatly out of your way to make provocative posts, knowing full well how they are going to be recieved, just for the fun of the wind up.

If thats not your intention then please accept my apologies. If however it is, your intention to try and "Get a rise" out of everybody else, personally I think you need to have a good think about why and how you use this forum.

Sometimes the wisest thing is to perhaps say nothing at all no ?

[Jelster]

Oh dear...

Blue have you ever thought that perhaps it might be wise to think about what you post and how what you say might be received by other people ?

Don't be silly Fizz, he'd have to actually think about somebody other than himself for that to happen....

.

[Richie]

RIP little guy.

My 5 year old crash his minimoto not so long back into my car, yes he was wearing a helmet and proctive clothing, but my heart was still in my mouth, as it would be... luckly he only bruished himself ,Thank God, I've fixed the bike back up as He wanted another go, but he hasn't riden it since... not his choice, it's mine. As I'm looking for a safer area.
Thing was it was an open tarmac'd area where I work, the only vehicle or obstical was my car parked well away from the open area. He wanted to park the bike near to the car so he could let his sister have a go.

So I see two sides, My fault for letting him have the bike in the first place, and two, Even if there is only one object to hit, it well may become hit.

ps, saw two youths on a minimoto bike today, on a public road, no proctective cloths, or road sence, apperantly round here it's the norm..

[kwak zzr]

slight de-rail but this situation is like the little girl that went missing in Portugal, yes her parents shouldn't have left her and her sisters alone it was wrong of them to do that but lets find little Madeline first then have a go at the parents.
cuz's lad is 6 and he has a 50cc Yamaha off road bike, he's come off it a few times but has always had the right protective clothing on and always rides on cuz's mates field where theres nothing to crash into.
no matter what anyone does theres always risks.

[rictus01]

Ok that's enough.