Chicken Strips

[plowsie]

Not my aim to get rid of them but i was having a gander at them on mine yesterday lunchtime. I have none on the front but about 15 mm on the rear, my grandad reckons it is to do with countersteering. Could it be anything to do with this or could it be suspension set up? Not too bothered about them really, well i suppose a bit, because i may be using all the front end and not the rear.

Stu

[Beenz]

If the front was used with a previous rear tyre it could have been scrubbed to the edge with that. If both tyres were fitted at the same time I would be a tad concerned about running off the edge of the front.

[Tempest]

I would check your tyre pressures. It's easier to hit the edge of an under inflated tyre. I've seen this plenty of times on the rear but never on the front. You could be the first.

You would have to be a serious hero to get it scrubbed on the front and not the back. Actually I’m not even sure if that’s possible. I suppose it is but we are talking super hero here and going round corners speedway style. I assume you have standard size tyres front and rear.

T

[plowsie]

I would be a tad concerned about running off the edge of the front.
This is the whole point of me starting this thread i am concerned for that, couldn't put it in words when i started the thread:lol:

There are roughly 1000 miles on the rear, possibly 2k on the front, surely this would be enough to "set out" the strips.

[MiniMatt]

Both the same tyre model right?

+1 to what Beenz said.

Countersteering makes my brain hurt (I actively use it all the time, it's just the physics of it that hurts my head). So I have likely got this completely wrong, but I think that countersteering only acts to tip the bike in, but to actually complete the turn the front wheel has to point in the direction of the turn. So you turn right, the bike tips left and then somehow (magic, or pixies or something) the wheel ends up pointing left and you turn left. So I'm not 100% sure that countersteering would cause a difference. Although the front wheel is going to be at a different angle to the rear whatever direction it ends up facing so there could be something?

Take that last paragraph with a truck load of salt. Make that two truck loads.

[plowsie]

I would check your tyre pressures. It's easier to hit the edge of an under inflated tyre. I've seen this plenty of times on the rear but never on the front. You could be the first.
Just had a full service on it so can't be that cos they were done.

You would have to be a serious hero to get it scrubbed on the front and not the back. Actually I’m not even sure if that’s possible. I suppose it is but we are talking super hero here and going round corners speedway style. I assume you have standard size tyres front and rear.
Ma momma always told me i was speshal :flower: Yes they are BT020s, i'm thinking suspension here though.

[MiniMatt]

There are roughly 1000 miles on the rear, possibly 2k on the front, surely this would be enough to "set out" the strips.

The last few weeks/months it has been a little bit on the damp side shall we say, perhaps that difference is enough given you're unlikely to be pushing it whilst underwater?

It would be easy if the front tyre was the same size as the back to work out but try as I might I just can't figure out any possible leaning scenario where a narrower front tyre would wear in places the corresponding fatter rear wouldn't. Your mommy was right, you are indeed, a very special boy :D

[Tempest]

Just had a full service on it so can't be that cos they were done.

Even more reason to check them. Like others have said, I can't see any reason for this. Perhaps the resident oracles can comment.

T

[markmoto]

as already said its very unusual to go right to the egde of the front tyre but not the back! no too sure what could be causing that. On the issue of counter steering you do counter steer through the whole corner and not just to tip it in check it out next time you find a nice dry roundabout.

[Steve_God]

1) Counter-steering does only help to tip in, however once you're tipped, you don't actually steer into the direction of the corner... it's the fact you're running on the edge of the tyre (plus centrifugal forces) that makes you go around the corner.

2) After a track-day, I had well and truly gone to the VERY edge of my front tyre (slightly over at some points me thinks!), yet still had a small used strip (only several mm) on the rear. So it's fairly normal as far as I'm aware, but I could be wrong! And that was with getting the pegs / knees down, etc...
Note: Both tyres were but on at the same time, same make, etc...

[plowsie]

Shall i get some piccys, as it may help a bit?

[markmoto]

Go for it always luv piccies of chicken strips :-)

[plowsie]

AHAHH i lied there is around a 3mm strip on the front.... is this still a worrying thing? The rear is 14mm.

[the_lone_wolf]

1) Counter-steering does only help to tip in, however once you're tipped, you don't actually steer into the direction of the corner... it's the fact you're running on the edge of the tyre (plus centrifugal forces) that makes you go around the corner.
not quite true...

counter-steering tips you into the corner but in order to turn in a circle your front wheel has to then point into the turn slighty, otherwise if the wheels are both pointing in the same direction the bike will just continue in a straight line. this would barely be noticable at high speeds because the radius of the turn is much higher than at a mini roundabout for example...:)

[plowsie]

AHAHH i lied there is around a 3mm strip on the front.... is this still a worrying thing? The rear is 14mm.
Bump

[stuartyboy]

Bump

Sounds like front might be too soft. What pressures you ruunning? IIRC front should be 36 rear 42 (cold). Other possibilities. Have you been on track recently and forgot to pump up the front afterwards? Is your preload set up correctly at the front? Is the bike diving at the front under braking? Possibly you are riding Tail up head down? Could be a number of reasons causing it - but I would say it's strange.

[markmoto]

Sounds like you could be pushing the front abit, do you accelerate through the corner or are you off throttle more of the time? remember the moto slow in fast out all your braking should be done before the corner then a smooth acceleration out of it is the way to go.

[diamond]

What ever bike i ride and whatever tyres i run i always go right to the edge on the front and not on the back. It's just the way i ride, i tend not to lean the bike but drag it round corners using the front. If your tyre pressures are ok i wouldn't worry to much it's just your style of riding.

[Steve_God]

not quite true... [snip]
Really? You learn something new every day! :)

[the_lone_wolf]

Really? You learn something new every day! :)
tis true, you notice it at low speeds much more, if you want to flick the bike into a small space you initially steer away to tip the bike pretty hard, but because you're travelling so slowly you then have to turn quite sharply into the curve to make the bike go where you want.

if you're feeling brave (or have run out of morphine) then you could try readding these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering

:)

[The Doctor]

tis true......blah blah

Are a you a exy pert on a everything? :smt046

[markmoto]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b180/mototech/chickenstripsf.jpgFront about 5mm of chickenhttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b180/mototech/chickenstrips.jpgrear no chicken strips pegs grind though so gota be carefull about leaning her over that far this is on a fazer 1000 03 with metzler z6s on

[markmoto]

heres the important bit copied from that link!!
Countersteering

Main article: Countersteering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering)
In order to initiate a turn, a bike must momentarily steer in the opposite direction. This is often referred to as countersteering. This brief turn moves the wheels out from directly underneath the center of mass, and thus causes a lean in the desired direction. Where there is no external influence such as an opportune side wind to create the force necessary to lean the bike, countersteering happens in every turn.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#_note-fajans)
As the lean approaches the desired angle, the front wheel must be steered in the direction of the turn, depending on the forward speed, the turn radius, and the need to maintain the lean angle. Once in a turn, the radius can only be changed with an appropriate change in lean angle, and this can only be accomplished by additional countersteering out of the turn to increase lean and decrease radius, then into the turn to decrease lean and increase radius. To exit the turn, the bike must again countersteer and momentarily steer more into the turn to decrease the radius to increase inertial forces in order decrease the angle of lean

zzzzzzzzz just get out and ride it lol

[jambo]

What ever bike i ride and whatever tyres i run i always go right to the edge on the front and not on the back. It's just the way i ride, i tend not to lean the bike but drag it round corners using the front. If your tyre pressures are ok i wouldn't worry to much it's just your style of riding.

Full Marks!

On my Bandit I used more rear tyre than front, on the ZX6 it's the other way round. I think this more to do with my riding style than the different bike as I've changed plenty in the last few years!

As long as you're aware of it it's not a problem.

Jambo

[the_lone_wolf]

Are a you a exy pert on a everything? :smt046
yes:p

[andyaikido]

I always found on the sv that I wore the front to edge and the rear had a small strip. I put it down to tyre sizes and steering geometry. My CBR is the other way round.

[I'm_a_Newbie]

I've had a look at peoples tyres in the past to compare them to mine. I have Z6's front and rear. On the rear the curve of the tyre falls away sharply at the edge so you would have to be leant right over to have no chicken strip on a 160 Z6. Other tyres seem to have a pronouced lip between at the edge of the tread section and the sidewall with less of a curve. This is more noticable on wider section tyres. This means the bike does not have to be leaned over as far to have zero chicken strips.

It could be down to something as simple as this as well as counter steering playing it's part.


Out of interest is there anyone out there who has 160 rear Z6 with no chicken strips? If I am honest I have about 10mm. I have the bike much further over on the Z6's than the standard Dunlops.

Tim.

[plowsie]

Underdtand what your saying mate. Not running Z6s but had to laugh about your forum name :lol: Surely you regret it lol?

[Biker Biggles]

I have fat healthy chicken strips on Z6s front ant rear.Much more so than on Avons,but I do ride like a pussycat these days.:D

[I'm_a_Newbie]

Underdtand what your saying mate. Not running Z6s but had to laugh about your forum name :lol: Surely you regret it lol?

Yeah, I should have thought a bit longer term when i thought of that name. I will have to contact the site administrators about getting changed.

Perhaps I should have Think_Again

Tim

[Jabba]

Perhaps I should have Think_Again

just so long as you don't choose "Think!!" ;)



Oh, and for the record, I don't have chicken strips on the rear on my Hornet but do in the front on reasonably new Conti Road Attacks. On my old tyres, IIRC, I lost the front strips first........ way before the rear, much to the amusement of Fizz :lol:

[northwind]

One thing maybe worth mentioning is that a 160/60 on a 4.5 rim can be slightly pinched... Originally they were recommended for 5.0 not 4.5. All tyre manufacturers know that most of their 160s will go on a 4.5 so they do take it into account but it can make a slight difference, if you look at a Diablo frinstance on a 5" rim it's a little flatter and the shoulders are less steep, so you'd hit the edges earlier. Only one I've actually been able to compare in teh flesh though.

Mine are both equally gigantic. Hang on, are we still talking about chicken strips?

[mister c]

I would put it down to riding style. My front is nearly on the edge, with quite a bit left on the rear, but I do push the front end a lot when cornering

[minifun]

I had the front right over on my SV but still small chicken strips on the back - could never understand it. Didn't seem to matter what tyres I used! I counter steer alot! My clade has chicken strips on the front but none on the back! Weird! lol

[plowsie]

I think from what it is, it is down to a matter of a few bits...

Style
Bike
Possibly Tyres
Countersteering

Combining all three gives me the effect that i have at the momento possibly.

[kitkat]

i have big ones :smt112

[Dave The Rave]

It surellu has to have something to do with the tyre width. I have 180 in the back on my Hornet and there are no chicken strips at all. Baked to the ages and I don't think I ride that hard. But the front has chicken strips on both sides. Not too long but clearly visible :-(

[DanAbnormal]

It surellu has to have something to do with the tyre width. I have 180 in the back on my Hornet and there are no chicken strips at all. Baked to the ages and I don't think I ride that hard. But the front has chicken strips on both sides. Not too long but clearly visible :-(

I'm the same, none on the rear, some on the front. I think it's the bike as my SV had none on the front or back.

[Blue_SV650S]

I got fatboy strips front and rear on my road bike :oops: but I am not sure I even wear the rear right to the edge on my track bike? Its just the geometry of the bike, I wouldn’t be concerned!! :cool:

[skint]

I don't like chicken strips it makes me feel as though I'm not getting my moneys worth. :)

[stuartyboy]

i have big ones :smt112

Aye but what about your chicken strips?

[andyaikido]

I'm thinking the wider the tyre, the easier it is to wear it to the edge. Anyone got a 125 with no chicken strips?

[plowsie]

I've figured my problem i think, it is all down to style. I seem to be pushing the front end a lot more through the corners

[thebluelion]

i have good healthy chicken strips on my bike must take pics and post. dont seem to have the need to lean right over to get round corners............ or maybe its because i'm chicken lol :riding:

[Blue_SV650S]

Ok, the chicken strips ...

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb319/blue_sv650s/chickenstrips.jpg

The sort of lean angles that tyre has supplied ... (yella bike)

Pic1 (http://www.djg-photography.co.uk/BH_12-13may07/Sat/Race%208/pages/BH_120507_R8-046.htm)
Pic2 (http://www.swaffs.co.uk/index.gallery.php?gid=275&img=35)

I think you will agree, there isn't VAST quantities of lean left there ... :eek: .. without falling off!! :D ... yet some pretty big 'strips :oops:

Now admittedly I do have the rear of my bike jacked up as high as it will go, but I really don't know how you can get an SVs rear tyre all the way to the edge ... certainly supercorsa's ... even at track/race pace!! ;)

You would have to be one bat fastard or use the rear pegs as your rearsets!! :D

[BillyC]

You can't compare chicken strips between bikes.

It's more a function of the tyre size and profile than the way the rider can handle the bike. Some tyres allow you to get right to the edge (BT020 for example) without much effort. Others are a much bigger challenge due to a taller, sharper profile (Metzeler Z6 for example).

I always pushed my 020s to the edge without any problem. I now have an 014 on the front, and I'm some distance from the edge of the tyre - and I don't believe I've lost that much ability over the last few months!

[Blue_SV650S]

...

Ipso Facto, it's prolly nothing to worry about if your rear has chicken strips!!! ... it is just the way it is with certain tyres and the SV's geometry :study: 8)

[toonyank]

For flips sake, all this talk about chicken strips :confused: . Tyres are designed with a margin (chicken strip) in mind. If they didn't you'd be in deep trouble. Most bikes, to use all available tread means you'd need to drag your elbow not your knee and well, lets not go there eh.

[Lozzo]

I've only ever got a front tyre to the edge of the tread on the track. On every road bike I've owned I've got the rear chicken strip dispensed with in short order but always had a small one left on the front no matter how hard I try to get it gone.

Doesn't matter if you still have a chicken strip on the rear, you could just say it shows you keep the bike more upright and get the power down earlier out of the corners :D. My daughter and my ex both get their knees down regularly without getting to the edge of their rear tyres.

[stuartyboy]

Ok, the chicken strips ...

I think you will agree, there isn't VAST quantities of lean left there ... :eek: .. without falling off!! :D ... yet some pretty big 'strips :oops:


Hmm...intesresting this...so i went to the garage to check. My old michelin 2ct powers - 3mm strips from road riding alone.

Whereas...my corsa iiis - track days only - strips are just at the edge of the forky trident thingy - approx 6-7 mm. Due to the greater lean angles on track you would expect a thinner strip.

Looks like profile has a lot to do with it as these were both achieved on the same bike.

[Blue_SV650S]

For flips sake, all this talk about chicken strips :confused: . Tyres are designed with a margin (chicken strip) in mind. If they didn't you'd be in deep trouble. Most bikes, to use all available tread means you'd need to drag your elbow not your knee and well, lets not go there eh.

I have had other bikes that wear the rear to the edge, but not the front, and some that are both the same ...

Fact is a Supercorsa is a Supercorsa (or Power 2 is a Power 2 etc), yet they will fit/are fitted to a whole diversity of bikes with just as diverse geometry, certain tyres will have different profiles too, that will match certain variants better than others ... with this in mind, its hardly a surprise that the tyres have different wear characteristics ;)

[Baph]

Just to add to this...

I've had the peg down on the SV, with PR2s fitted. I still have about an inch of tyre left on the rear commonly referred to as "chicken strip."

If it's called that because I'm too chicken to push the bike over futher, it looks like I need to get riser plates. :rolleyes:

[plowsie]

Just to add to this...

I've had the peg down on the SV, with PR2s fitted. I still have about an inch of tyre left on the rear commonly referred to as "chicken strip."

If it's called that because I'm too chicken to push the bike over futher, it looks like I need to get riser plates. :rolleyes:
:lol:

[Blue_SV650S]

Just to add to this...

I've had the peg down on the SV, with PR2s fitted. I still have about an inch of tyre left on the rear commonly referred to as "chicken strip."

If it's called that because I'm too chicken to push the bike over futher, it looks like I need to get riser plates. :rolleyes:

I have Giles rearsets (http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/186/12116) on my bike ... set up to the max - toe down at times - and I still have chicken strips!! :smt099

[DanAbnormal]

Well, I always thought chicken strips were directly related to lean angle (or lack thereof). How on Earth can you get your pegs down yet still have chicken strips? I never got my pegs down but never had any strips on the back or front. I was running the standard D220's. :confused:

[plowsie]

Well, I always thought chicken strips were directly related to lean angle (or lack thereof). How on Earth can you get your pegs down yet still have chicken strips? I never got my pegs down but never had any strips on the back or front. I was running the standard D220's. :confused:
This is what drops me into the tyre pressure thought :rolleyes:

[Baph]

Well, I always thought chicken strips were directly related to lean angle (or lack thereof). How on Earth can you get your pegs down yet still have chicken strips? I never got my pegs down but never had any strips on the back or front. I was running the standard D220's. :confused:
As said above really. It depends on the tyre profile (which is inevitably affected by tyre pressure).

If you can run out of tyre contact patch before your pegs are down, that would imply that you could, at least in theory, fall off the edge of the tyre (and lowside as a result probably).

If the contact patch "wraps around" more, there's more lean available. Then other factors start limiting lean, rather than the tyre, for example, hero pegs. Three points of contact on the ground (both tyres & the peg for example), and you're still at risk of low siding, but you're leant over further for the same (ish) risk. More lean means a tighter turn at a given speed, or a higher speed for a given turn angle.

That's my take on it anyway. However it works, it's definitely possible.

[ASM-Forever]

Surely this is the best example of large chicken strips:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/keedo666/DSC01572.jpg

[Blue_SV650S]

If you spent as much time riding your bike as you did worrying about your chicken strips you probably wouldn't have any left!

Who cares, get out and ride! :)

What if you are thinking about c-strips whilst you ride?!?!? :D

I bet you most people* have been riding along purposely TRYING to reduce chicken strips, therefore thinking about them whilst riding!! :D

*yes including me when I used to care about such things ;)

[Blue_SV650S]

Surely this is the best example of large chicken strips:


To be fair the strips are only ~10mm on that ... its the light coloured dust its picked up out of the driveway/garage making it look like a mile!!! ;)

[Baph]

What if you are thinking about c-strips whilst you ride?!?!? :D

I bet you most people* have been riding along purposely TRYING to reduce chicken strips, therefore thinking about them whilst riding!! :D

*yes including me when I used to care about such things ;)

Nah, I fall outside that bet. I don't ride to get rid of chicken strips.

I do admit though, that sometimes (for example this morning) I'll come around a corner & think "f*** me, that was low down..." and then have a "how low can you go" competition with myself. For no other reason than it feels good to be slow low to the floor IMO. :lol:

[ASM-Forever]

To be fair the strips are only ~10mm on that ... its the light coloured dust its picked up out of the driveway/garage making it look like a mile!!! ;)

Ssssh i was gambling that noone would be sad enough to zoom in ;)

[Blue_SV650S]

...

Tsch … there are two things any young biking warrior must achieve before he may be accepted by the clan … kneedown and minimal-no chicken strips … every warrior hopeful undergoes these quests ... its a right of passage!! ;)

I have actually leant the ‘wrong way’ off the bike before now trying to reduce my ‘strips!! :D .... Oh, come on people, you know you have at some point too!!! :D

[Baph]

Ssssh i was gambling that noone would be sad enough to zoom in ;)

You didn't need to zoom in to see that! I've done the same before on a post I made to the org.

Blue, I'm not interested in KD either (mainly due to wearing textiles that don't have knee sliders admitedly). But then, I also know I've been low enough that if I'd of stuck my knee out, it'd of hurt!!

Yes, I've leaned the wrong way off the bike before too. But I'm not convinced it gives much advantage.

[toonyank]

Just to add to this...

I've had the peg down on the SV, with PR2s fitted. I still have about an inch of tyre left on the rear commonly referred to as "chicken strip."

If it's called that because I'm too chicken to push the bike over futher, it looks like I need to get riser plates. :rolleyes:

I'd rather have plenty of rubber left no matter how far I push it.

Oh and plenty o rubber on the tyres as well :smt047

[Pedrosa]

I heard someone had been taking the micky out of Valentino and his chicken strips at Sachsenring last weekend. Hence his outrageous attempt to remove them by undertaking De Puniet!:p :p

[gettin2dizzy]

I heard someone had been taking the micky out of Valentino and his chicken strips at Sachsenring last weekend. Hence his outrageous attempt to remove them by undertaking De Puniet!:p :p

:-({|=

:rolleyes: hehe

[thebluelion]

Ok i promised i would share my lovingly cared for chicken strips so here they are


http://http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/thebluelion/?action=view&current=DSC00188.jpg


http://http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/thebluelion/?action=view&current=DSC00186.jpg

http://http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/thebluelion/?action=view&current=DSC00187.jpg

as you can see i like to take care of them and keep them in good condition

[thebluelion]

did not come out try this way

http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/thebluelion/?action=view&current=DSC00188.jpg

http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/thebluelion/?action=view&current=DSC00186.jpg

http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/thebluelion/?action=view&current=DSC00187.jpg

[markmoto]

Holy **** man you have been looking after those chicken strips how do you manage to go around the corner so upright? :rolleyes:

[markmoto]

P.s my mate wants to know has anyone ever got right to the edge of the standard pointy tyres??

[gettin2dizzy]

almost! :)

[weazelz]

One thing maybe worth mentioning is that a 160/60 on a 4.5 rim can be slightly pinched... Originally they were recommended for 5.0 not 4.5. All tyre manufacturers know that most of their 160s will go on a 4.5 so they do take it into account but it can make a slight difference, if you look at a Diablo frinstance on a 5" rim it's a little flatter and the shoulders are less steep, so you'd hit the edges earlier. Only one I've actually been able to compare in teh flesh though

... I am not sure I even wear the rear right to the edge on my track bike?

I've noticed this on the rear of my track bike on supercorsa's - & on yours too blue - I have maybe 2mm left. I think sc's have quite a tall/sharp/lots-of-edge profile for a 160x60 & the 1/2" narrower rim just nips it in that bit too much to ever totally get rid of the chicken strips

anyone ever got to the edge of a supercorsa on a standard rim? [1]

[1] & back up onto the main bit of the tyre without a scratchy metal-tarmac episode in between

[thebluelion]

Holy **** man you have been looking after those chicken strips how do you manage to go around the corner so upright? :rolleyes:

i dont know i think it just must be a gift :D

[markmoto]

i dont know i think it just must be a gift :D

:D ;)

[markmoto]

almost! :)

Mate said can you post a picture for him :D

[gettin2dizzy]

hehe. Will do. But with all this recent wet weather I'll have to get some practice on the roundabouts tomorrow ;) hehe

[kwak zzr]

P.s my mate wants to know has anyone ever got right to the edge of the standard pointy tyres??

i did on the right hand side of the rear (islands):) the left side still had about 5mm on tho;) . i rode cuz's 650s with pilot powers on and got that to the edge in no time:D the standard d220 are bad but not as bad as many say.

[markmoto]

i did on the right hand side of the rear (islands):) the left side still had about 5mm on tho;) . i rode cuz's 650s with pilot powers on and got that to the edge in no time:D the standard d220 are bad but not as bad as many say.

I know when i had my 650 pointy with the d220s on they just felt wooden and didnt have any feel to the, the z6s i have used since offer so much better feedback you can feel them diggin in which is a sensation i never got off the dunlops. I remember looking at the rear tyre and thinking that it had a very rounded profile towards the edge i mean it seemed that the rim pinched the tyre in looked like you would have to have it on its ear to get right to the edge. I must admit i do like to get rid of my chicken strips and it does give you a sense of accomplishment :D

[kwak zzr]

it is the tyre profile that is the problem, like said on the p powers they are much more rounded and go to the edge easy, i havent ridden on z6's so i cant comment on that. i dont know if its my riding style but i always get the rear right to the edge but there seems loads left on the front? i mean like 10mm chicken strips each side.

[gettin2dizzy]

I normally get the front much more, it's entirely down to riding style

[markmoto]

it is the tyre profile that is the problem, like said on the p powers they are much more rounded and go to the edge easy, i havent ridden on z6's so i cant comment on that. i dont know if its my riding style but i always get the rear right to the edge but there seems loads left on the front? i mean like 10mm chicken strips each side.

I think this is meant to be better, shows that you are using the throttle in corners and not pushing the front to much.

[markmoto]

yeah sure is, but i think this is a sign that you are pushing the front! i stand to be corrected on that one though.

[Blue_SV650S]

I think this is meant to be better, shows that you are using the throttle in corners and not pushing the front to much.

I am not sure that is an entirely accurate analysis ... I can’t see that getting right to the edge of the rear has anything (directly) to do with throttle usage. On what basis/logic did you draw this conclusion?

[gettin2dizzy]

Where the weight is acting on the bike? I don't have much positive throttle through the corners so this does kind of make sense to why I go to the edge on the front.
Could be DIY-science though :) hehe

[plowsie]

Right so my front is now almost rid of strips(we're talking 3mm and the rear is down to 8 ish i'd say, i adjusted my style at the weekend to sit back and put a bit more weight on the rear instead of the front, so it has dropped a bit off the rear. Completely ruined the waterproofs(yes the ones i split at the AR with the dodgy zip Baph ;)), was testing if i was anywhere close to the ground with the knee, not even half a cheek off the seat and my knee was down, scrape rip in the waterproofs lol. So i was pretty low at that point and kept it like that on the ride through a lot of corners, and still strips on the rear are big-ish. So i'm aggreeing on tyre profile or pressure.

[markmoto]

Where the weight is acting on the bike? I don't have much positive throttle through the corners so this does kind of make sense to why I go to the edge on the front.
Could be DIY-science though :) hehe

Bingo;)

[Blue_SV650S]

Bingo;)

Hummm ... I see what you are saying, but I am not convinced that is always the case …

I’d like to think that I have pretty good throttle control and distribute the power through a corner, actually changing the bias from heavy front, through nutral-ish to heavy-rear (talking on track here where you are on the brakes and power hard and at serious lean mid-corner). Yet I still have larger rear strips …

[weazelz]

I am not sure that is an entirely accurate analysis ... I can’t see that getting right to the edge of the rear has anything (directly) to do with throttle usage. On what basis/logic did you draw this conclusion?

I would have thought that, if at your maximum lean angle, you are able to bias the weight forward/back enough to influence the size of your chicken strips, then it just means that you can lean a lot more. there's no way you can be braking/accelerating hard enough to be doing that if you're near the proper maximum lean

[Blue_SV650S]

I would have thought that, if at your maximum lean angle, you are able to bias the weight forward/back enough to influence the size of your chicken strips, then it just means that you can lean a lot more. there's no way you can be braking/accelerating hard enough to be doing that if you're near the proper maximum lean

Quite, you are only getting seriously 'on the power' when you are on a fatter part of the tyre ...

And yes, if you are not 'balancing' the throttle when at true/good full lean, I can't see how you are staying rubber side down ;) - so surely you can't be at massive lean?

[markmoto]

oh its definately not always the case but with the a standard road tyre i would say it can definately be a contributing factor.

[thebluelion]

Yea i know were u are all comming from :---) :roll:

I'll get my coat

[ThEGr33k]

I've figured my problem i think, it is all down to style. I seem to be pushing the front end a lot more through the corners


Im pretty similar tbh. My front is scrubbed to the edge but my rear is about 2 mm off (not as big but still noticable). I think what it is is that we maybe carry more speed into the corner and so dont need to get the power on as early to get all the way to the edge of the rear. Only a guess, i know from riding with other people my mid corner speed is usually higher.

(my tires were bought together, they are pilot road 2. If anyone wants to know i think they are great!)

:smt072wow i just noticed this and had to use it, Unreal tournament rocks!! :p

[Berlin]

P.s my mate wants to know has anyone ever got right to the edge of the standard pointy tyres??

And I'd like to know if anyone ever got to the edge of the standard Z4 on a Curvy?

I'm getting used to the new bike now and despite wearing out a full set of sliders last weekend on some stunning Yorkshire dales roads, I just can't get passed the edge of the tread on the standard Z4's (about 8mm left on each side). Easy on Bridgestones on an FZR400 but these things look like they're going to beat me. I tried another curvy the other day and with the Conti attacks on it was relatively easy.

Has anyone managed it on Z4's (without scuffing their helmet! :) )?