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tinpants
13-07-07, 02:55 PM
I got sent this today by a colleague. Its quite an interesting read (well, I think it is ) and puts a different slant on things.
I'll probably get flamed to infinity for this one but I don't really care. This happens to be very close to my point of view or opinion so I'm entitled to express it. I'm not a racist BTW but this does make you think a bit.
Anyway, have a read.
A woman wrote the best 'Letter to the Editor' in ages!!
She cuts to the chase and explains things better than all the rubbish
you hear on TV. Her letter said: Recently, large demonstrations have
taken place across the country protesting the fact that parliament is
finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.
Certain people are angry that the UK might actually want to protect
its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and,
once here, make it harder (as an illegal immigrant) to stay
indefinitely.
Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these
protests.
Let's say I break into your house. Then, when you discover me in your
house, you insist that I leave. But I say, 'I've made all the beds and
washed the dishes and done the laundry and swept the floors; I've done
all the things you don't like to do.
I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).
According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must
add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide
other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard
work) because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that
breaking-in part.
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends
who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my illegal
right to be there. It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer
house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm
hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know. And what a
deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction
of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an
anti-housebreaker.
Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate
with me! English is too hard for me to learn. You should also allow me
to vote - in my own language, since I live in your house!
Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?
Only in the UK
What's illegal immigration got to do with being a racist?
Someone people are so PC.
Interesting, but doesn't mean the facts stated are true? "contributing only a fraction"
why are people who are fleeing their country from nastiness to come to the uk called illegal immigrants these days? they always used to be called refugees.
why are people who are fleeing their country from nastiness to come to the uk called illegal immigrants these days? they always used to be called refugees.
The word scrounger comes to mind as well but then thats not very pc is it?
tinpants
13-07-07, 03:18 PM
why are people who are fleeing their country from nastiness to come to the uk called illegal immigrants these days? they always used to be called refugees.
People fleeing from oppression or tyranny have every right to claim refuge in another country. I believe there are provisions in International law that cover this. This is all well and good if they go home once the aforementioned oppression and tyranny is stopped. The last time I looked, there was no war in The Balkans, Macedonia, Algeria, Poland, The Czech Republic, Croatia, Ireland (:D )etc. So why are all these people still here?....
....'Cos its soooo easy to screw the system and get everything paid for by someone else.
why are people who are fleeing their country from nastiness to come to the uk called illegal immigrants these days? they always used to be called refugees.
Economic migrants don't qualify for refugee status
tinpants
13-07-07, 03:21 PM
Thats what I was trying to say
People fleeing from oppression or tyranny have every right to claim refuge in another country. I believe there are provisions in International law that cover this. This is all well and good if they go home once the aforementioned oppression and tyranny is stopped. The last time I looked, there was no war in The Balkans, Macedonia, Algeria, Poland, The Czech Republic, Croatia, Ireland (:D )etc. So why are all these people still here?....
....'Cos its soooo easy to screw the system and get everything paid for by someone else.
Economic migrants don't qualify for refugee status
so what are refugees called these days? legal migrants?
tinpants
13-07-07, 03:23 PM
AFAIK they're still called refugees.
???????????
Sarah, can you delete some of your pm's? I've been trying to send you one but it says your inbox is full :D
well 2 sides to every story
how do you treat people that come to the UK because they fled their country where there is war and people kill you cause you belong to this family or to another?
then - how do you treat people that came to the UK just because standard of living is better?
good thing Greece is EU and i'm not an illegal immigrant LOL
plus they have to go via france italy germany spain etc etc to get here, so why dont they stay in one of them countrys?
define racist?
ASM-Forever
13-07-07, 04:30 PM
plus they have to go via france italy germany spain etc etc to get here, so why dont they stay in one of them country's
Exactly as Hovis said, they could of claimed asylum in any number of European or even Asian countries, but they do so in Britain as the entire benefit system is ripe for abuse.
A friend of mine told me that the most registered boys name in Britain last year was Mohammed, i personally find that a bit shocking(i am unsure whether this is true, or whether my mate was pulling my leg).
I am only half English(better half is French), but i feel that France has a better system to deal with and indeed combat immigration. As a result of this France has maintained its own national identity...which sadly Britain IMO has lost.
Its all too late to do anything now anyway so we just have to live with it....or emigrate :p
Exactly as Hovis said, they could of claimed asylum in any number of European or even Asian countries, but they do so in Britain as the entire benefit system is ripe for abuse.
A friend of mine told me that the most registered boys name in Britain last year was Mohammed, i personally find that a bit shocking(i am unsure whether this is true, or whether my mate was pulling my leg).
I am only half English(better half is French), but i feel that France has a better system to deal with and indeed combat immigration. As a result of this France has maintained its own national identity...which sadly Britain IMO has lost.
Its all too late to do anything now anyway so we just have to live with it....or emigrate :p
Only half english ?Better half is french, I dont think marrying a french person makes you half french ;)
Samnooshka
13-07-07, 04:55 PM
AFAIK, a refugee has to take residence in the nearest country to them that is politically stable... therefore for most refugees between their countries and us there is Germany, France, Belgium, Switzerland etc, so in theory they should never reach us, and at most just be taking the excess of what the other countries can't handle.... not, in my opinion, all of the refugees for the whole of Europe. But we are seen as a soft touch. In theory, we should be turning them away at the borders anyway to the last country they came from an so on so forth to the country closest that is stable... also once conflict is over they should be sent home.
Britain has always been a mongrel country with different nationalities making it up as a whole, and over history we have always been invaded by someone or intergrated with other nations (Romans Vikings Normans etc), but this is different and to be honest i am fed up of paying tax to support people that shouldn't be here in the first place... its bad enough having to pay for the scrotes on the dole who have no intention of going back to work :smt067.
Geniune refugees i don't have a problem with its the asylum seekers and illegle ones that really **** me off. And then the attitude when they get here of not even bothering to learn our language, or even accept our religion. starting up groups to blow us up because we do not conform to their ideas!!
But what about all the brits heading for Canada, Australia, New zealand, the USA etc..for a better life, are,nt they economic migrants as well, you know just trying to better there lives and that of there families, or is it ok cos were british ?
But what about all the brits heading for Canada, Australia, New zealand, the USA etc..for a better life, are,nt they economic migrants as well, you know just trying to better there lives and that of there families, or is it ok cos were british ?
Or what about them scots, welsh and irish, better still what about them southereners coming up here for the cheap housing and what about them lancashire people moving to cheshire and what about ? ...... cuts both ways you know
P.s ey up all you southereners can come here if you want too, but thee must learn tha lingo though ;)
But what about all the brits heading for Canada, Australia, New zealand, the USA etc..for a better life, are,nt they economic migrants as well, you know just trying to better there lives and that of there families, or is it ok cos were british ?
but............. you have to be of some value to the counrty to be let in, not like the UK
but............. you have to be of some value to the counrty to be let in, not like the UK
Well thats me stuffed then, looks like Im stopping here.
Flamin_Squirrel
13-07-07, 05:33 PM
...but i feel that France has a better system to deal with and indeed combat immigration.
Yep, it's called Sangat, a French staging post for shipping illegal immigrants over here. They'd say otherwise though ;)
Samnooshka
13-07-07, 05:34 PM
but............. you have to be of some value to the counrty to be let in, not like the UK
True and Australia is one of the hardest to move to Canada and America are not far behind. You get scored on a points system, depending on age, education, job skill, you basically have to have something for that country to use but can't push natives out of there jobs or apply for jobs that can be done by someone already in the country.
The UK is a push over, it really ****es me off so much!!!:smt014
True and Australia is one of the hardest to move to Canada and America are not far behind. You get scored on a points system, depending on age, education, job skill, you basically have to have something for that country to use but can't push natives out of there jobs or apply for jobs that can be done by someone already in the country.
The UK is a push over, it really ****es me off so much!!!:smt014
Tbh I agree with you, its just a shame that we are so insular over here, my dad,s a scot he put up with years of racist abuse from english people down here and scots back in scotland because he,d moved south, I was even called a half breed cos me dads a scot and me mums english, made a change from being called a half wit though ! lifes too short, deal with it ;)
Samnooshka
13-07-07, 06:03 PM
Tbh I agree with you, its just a shame that we are so insular over here, my dad,s a scot he put up with years of racist abuse from english people down here and scots back in scotland because he,d moved south, I was even called a half breed cos me dads a scot and me mums english, made a change from being called a half wit though ! lifes too short, deal with it ;)
I have never had a problem with people moving around Great Britain :) north or south as long as someone's not a **** then i'll generally get on with people. I don't understand racist abuse, its out of line and uncalled for... got accused of it at school "you don't like me cuz i'm Asian" i said " no Juned i don't like you cuz you're a ****". Same goes for white people too but i don't have all day to list them.
I have never had a problem with people moving around Great Britain :) north or south as long as someone's not a **** then i'll generally get on with people. I don't understand racist abuse, its out of line and uncalled for... got accused of it at school "you don't like me cuz i'm Asian" i said " no Juned i don't like you cuz you're a ****". Same goes for white people too but i don't have all day to list them.
Hope Im not one of em ;)
"you don't like me cuz i'm Asian" i said " no Juned i don't like you cuz you're a ****". .
:smt046
ASM-Forever
13-07-07, 07:25 PM
Only half english ?Better half is french, I dont think marrying a french person makes you half french ;)
:smt046 ....one of my parents is French.
As for marriage....:smt067
This thread is just so depressing:( :( :( All these myths being peddled around, breeding xenophobia:( I really thought the world had moved on.
Any one of you who has posted about how the benefit system is so open to abuse - prove it. Give me a specific example.
I bet you can't.
Me, my mother comes from Ireland, one of the countries mentioned above. I'm very proud of my Irish roots. Father came from the Isle of Sheppey but that's not desperately relevant. Mother arrived here in 1942, trained to be a nurse in Lewisham Hospital at a time when England was glad of the help, and apart from a short break to have kids (me included:p) she has always worked, up to age 74 in fact.
My guess is that like her, most immigrants do not abuse the system. Of course there will always be a handful of cases but my overwhelming feeling is that immigrants contribute rather than take. In so many ways, not just economic.
But headlines like 'Immigrant Scroungers' sell copy, don't they?
This thread is just so depressing:( :( :( All these myths being peddled around, breeding xenophobia:( I really thought the world had moved on.
Any one of you who has posted about how the benefit system is so open to abuse - prove it. Give me a specific example.
I bet you can't.
+1
the_runt69
14-07-07, 07:06 AM
Or what about them scots, welsh and irish, better still what about them southereners coming up here for the cheap housing and what about them lancashire people moving to cheshire and what about ? ...... cuts both ways you know
P.s ey up all you southereners can come here if you want too, but thee must learn tha lingo though ;)
Its Only coz the rest of the world wants to live in the South and wont go back to where they came from.
I'm Fed up with the legal imigrants from North of the Thames coming down here and taking all our housing and jobs :)
Or what about them scots, welsh and irish, better still what about them southereners coming up here for the cheap housing and what about them lancashire people moving to cheshire and what about ? ...... cuts both ways you know
P.s ey up all you southereners can come here if you want too, but thee must learn tha lingo though ;)
Its Only coz the rest of the world wants to live in the South and wont go back to where they came from.
I'm Fed up with the legal imigrants from North of the Thames coming down here and taking all our housing and jobs :)
lol
the_runt69
14-07-07, 07:26 AM
Ed, If you lived in some of the area's that have a large porportion of eastern europeans in it youd find that yes they are willing to work but they work for a lot less than the local people so take jobs from local population. They live in the most squalid conditions and send home as much as they can. With the strength of the pound every one they send home is worth more to their families at home than it is to them here so you have a catch 22 situation. they will keep coming to work for what we would call very low wages but will make their families better off but will stir up hate from the locals who cant find decent paid jobs because they're being undercut all the time.
I personally dont care as long as the migrants are willing to work and pay into the system. But a lot of home born of migrants (and a lot of English people) now know the system and use it to their own advantage.
And to admit to have someone in your family from the isle of sheppy :roll: :roll:
They say a virgin there is a girl who can run faster than her brothers nand uncles
Tbh I agree with you, its just a shame that we are so insular over here, my dad,s a scot he put up with years of racist abuse from english people down here and scots back in scotland because he,d moved south, I was even called a half breed cos me dads a scot and me mums english, made a change from being called a half wit though ! lifes too short, deal with it ;)
Fortunately one of the advantages of being mixed race ;) is being able to be picked to play for two national football teams instead of one, unfortunately I have only england and scotland too choose from :( , why couldnt me dad be brazillian or something ?
the_runt69
14-07-07, 08:16 AM
Fortunately one of the advantages of being mixed race ;) is being able to be picked to play for two national football teams instead of one, unfortunately I have only england and scotland too choose from :( , why couldnt me dad be brazillian or something ?
being only allowed to be picked for one has its advantages, at Least the press cant Big you up for your first game then shoot you down in flames when it all goes wrong. I was never good enough to play Football but prefer egg chasing anyway
being only allowed to be picked for one has its advantages, at Least the press cant Big you up for your first game then shoot you down in flames when it all goes wrong. I was never good enough to play Football but prefer egg chasing anyway
More dilemas, creme egg or scotch egg, its not that easy :)
Flamin_Squirrel
14-07-07, 12:32 PM
Ed, If you lived in some of the area's that have a large porportion of eastern europeans in it youd find that yes they are willing to work but they work for a lot less than the local people so take jobs from local population.
You can't 'take' a job from anyone. Why should anyone be entitled to more money for less work? It's a foolish protectionist position.
Gordon B
14-07-07, 01:01 PM
You can't 'take' a job from anyone. Why should anyone be entitled to more money for less work? It's a foolish protectionist position.
I'm with Squirrel on this one. we have a large Polish community here in Selby. Alot of them work in the Greenacres factory, it stinks, but they do it.
Why? Well because the fault of the system in this country is its easier, and more benificial financially, to stay on the rock and roll rather than work for a minimum wage. This breeds a culture of 'can't be arsed', I know I've experienced it first hand. I used to run a pub and people would come for an interview and state right from the off they had no intention of getting the job but if they don't attend so many interviews they would lose their benefits....
Now not everyone is like this, but on a Saturday afternoon what language are most of the winos, beggars and crackheads in your town speaking....I bet it isnt Polish.....
If there were no jobs and no demand, alot of them wouldn't come here.
Just my tuppence of course.....
You can't 'take' a job from anyone. Why should anyone be entitled to more money for less work? It's a foolish protectionist position.
You're such a liberal:nemo:
I'm with Squirrel on this one. we have a large Polish community here in Selby. Alot of them work in the Greenacres factory, it stinks, but they do it.
Why? Well because the fault of the system in this country is its easier, and more benificial financially, to stay on the rock and roll rather than work for a minimum wage. This breeds a culture of 'can't be arsed', I know I've experienced it first hand. I used to run a pub and people would come for an interview and state right from the off they had no intention of getting the job but if they don't attend so many interviews they would lose their benefits....
Now not everyone is like this, but on a Saturday afternoon what language are most of the winos, beggars and crackheads in your town speaking....I bet it isnt Polish.....
If there were no jobs and no demand, alot of them wouldn't come here.
Just my tuppence of course.....
We have a lot of polish drivers in transport now, they come up to our depot in skem looking a bit sheepish sometimes, as if they feel they are not welcome, tbh most are decent blokes who just want to earn a crust AND they are on the same rate of pay as me, you can see an almost sense of relief on there faces when you tell em there,s a brew machine in there 'do you want one' Saying that a lot of firms are knocking back polish drivers cos of the amount of accidents occurring, late deliveries, communication problems etc..
Flamin_Squirrel
14-07-07, 02:28 PM
You're such a liberal:nemo:
I think you misunderstand what I meant (not surprising as I wasn't very clear).
I think you misunderstand what I meant (not surprising as I wasn't very clear).
Just going by your statements here and in the smoking threads...thats all:)
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