View Full Version : Bikes in Bus Lanes Petition - 10 Downing Street
pacocity
13-07-07, 03:17 PM
A petition designed to pressurise transports authorities to allow motorcycles in bus lanes is struggling because none of us can be arsed to sign it.
Thanks for signing and forwarding this link to anyone that might sign it.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/bikesinbuslanes/ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/bikesinbuslanes/)
Be quick, it ends on the 22nd of July, and it only takes a few seconds !
That could make a huge difference, it's worth the 3 secs it takes
Paco
Redster
13-07-07, 04:55 PM
signed
I'm not sure there's a bus lane in downing street ;)
markmoto
13-07-07, 05:29 PM
Signed thought we could use bus lanes anyway No? Lol
markmoto
13-07-07, 05:31 PM
Ive just posted it on the fazer website aswell 10,000 sigs is not very good.
pacocity
14-07-07, 11:41 AM
lol, yeah no bus lane in Downing street :D
I forwarded that petition to my entire office (!), even though it's only two of us on two wheels and got the rest of them to sign saying that i'd pay them a drink for it!!!
10000 is not a lot at all. Prob around 300000 two wheels in London, so 10000 is def crap. That's why it's important to try and get people to sign this thing. Would make a big difference, for 1) we would not have to filter that much therefore it would make it quicker for us to go from a to b, and 2) would make it a lot safer as well.
Anyway, thanks for signing guys!
Last call for this one, petition ends Sunday, If you haven't sigend it yet, please do.
Let's make London a safer place for motorcyclists.
Regards
Goodo
riktherider
20-07-07, 12:48 PM
done and dusted. Have a look through and there are quite a few odd ones in there. espiecially the ones with very little votes. go to the last page and browse through. quite amusing
Not again!!
Its never going to happen. A white paper that was released last year it hink, said it was too dangerous etc etc.
There are still a few that you can ride in.
DoubleD
20-07-07, 02:32 PM
Not that I'm against this but the bus lanes that I see are full of oil and deasel (SP?) not a place I want to be riding.
SoulKiss
20-07-07, 02:46 PM
Whats the point ???
Come Sunday or Monday you will get an email thanking you for adding your name, but saying that Uncle Gordon and the Pothead Party know best and things are staying as they are.
Just like EVERY other e-petition
Ceri JC
20-07-07, 03:07 PM
Not again!!
Its never going to happen. A white paper that was released last year it hink, said it was too dangerous etc etc.
There are still a few that you can ride in.
IIRC, I thought the results of the white paper were 'inconclusive' and that they said they weren't sure of the result? I didn't think it definitively said it was more dangerous...
Presumably it is safer for us, more dangerous for cyclists?
SoulKiss
20-07-07, 03:24 PM
IIRC, I thought the results of the white paper were 'inconclusive' and that they said they weren't sure of the result? I didn't think it definitively said it was more dangerous...
Presumably it is safer for us, more dangerous for cyclists?
Cyclists in buslanes slow down busses AND cause congestion due to busses having to leave the buslane to pass them.
FACT
pacocity
20-07-07, 08:19 PM
yeah, I'd agree on the cyclist and bus war.
Bus lanes are safer for us because when cages are turning right, they do not need to look properly in their mirrors, coz they are not at risk: the worse that could happen is that a two wheels gets plastered on their front tire.
Now, when a cage is turning left (and there is a bus lane), believe me: THEY ARE LOOKING for the 4 tons red buses so that they make sure they don't get cut in half! If we were there, they'd see us... more often at least.
just a though :rolleyes:
pacocity
20-07-07, 08:22 PM
then again, my worst crash was when a bloody Indonesian Embassy driver did a u-turn on embankment while I was overtaking, so my thinking is kind of biased, admittedly...:smt087 would have loved to be on the bus lane that day.
RhythmJunkie
21-07-07, 08:59 AM
Sorted!
jamessunhill
21-07-07, 11:23 AM
Signed
Pedro68
10-08-07, 02:47 PM
Whats the point ???
Come Sunday or Monday you will get an email thanking you for adding your name, but saying that Uncle Gordon and the Pothead Party know best and things are staying as they are.
Just like EVERY other e-petition
Actually, I just got an e-mail saying that the government has responded and here's their response:
The Government recognises that motorcycling has become increasingly popular and offers a number of benefits.
Bus lanes are the responsibility of the relevant highway authority. In February 2007, The Department for Transport issued new guidance in the form of a Traffic Advisory Leaflet 2/07 on "The Use of Bus Lanes by Motorcycles". This makes clear to local highway authorities that it is open to them to decide whether or not to allow motorcycles to use bus lanes and encourage them to make an objective assessment of the issue.
The new guidance revises the previous Department for Transport's advice on bus lanes, Local Transport Note 1/97: Keeping Buses Moving, which recommended that motorcycles should not normally be permitted to use bus lanes.
So, basically it's down to the relevant highways agency now (talk about "passing the buck") :smt102 remains to be seen how many highways agencies revise their "bus lane usage" though.
Pete
I dont think I've not seen anything but wishywoshy answers to every petition I've joined on that site.
a total waste of time.
timwilky
10-08-07, 04:24 PM
No such thing as a bus lane round here, so what is the point.
I asked my folks about their thoughts on this, and they said. "There is no such thing as a bus round here, so what is the point"
northwind
10-08-07, 06:59 PM
I feel a prediction coming on... The people who complain most bitterly about this "passing the buck" will be the same people who complain most bitterly about "the nanny state" when the govt take control of something :smt003
Nostrils
10-08-07, 07:15 PM
Another piece of spin from the government - Local authorities (certainly London) do have the authority to allow bikes to use bus lanes but too many choose not to - They would argue against opening them with some lame excuse. In Hillingdon one bus lane of about 100m to traffic lights and for buses only 24hrs and it borders Ealing borough who have the continuation of the bus lane and they are times for the rush hour - its a joke.
Leaving it to the individual council seems _very_ weird to me. If I'm riding through a town I've never been in before, how do I know if its legal for me to use the bus lane or not? Is that a good excuse if I get pulled for it, "Well, I could in the last 6 towns, officer"?
markmoto
10-08-07, 08:54 PM
Leaving it to the individual council seems _very_ weird to me. If I'm riding through a town I've never been in before, how do I know if its legal for me to use the bus lane or not? Is that a good excuse if I get pulled for it, "Well, I could in the last 6 towns, officer"?
very valid point and very well made sir i hadnt even thought of this!! ;)
very valid point and very well made sir i hadnt even thought of this!! ;)
This very thought just crossed my mind. Makes a bit of a mockery of it all really. I'm fairly certain you can use the bus lanes in Plymouth....off to search...:smt024
Hi - back again. Found this...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6514397.stm:D
Maybe's we should compile our own can/can't bus lane map of the UK....
timwilky
10-08-07, 11:36 PM
OK, Never having seen one. WTF is a bus lane. If I see a bus, I must be on the wrong roads
SV Muppet
12-08-07, 01:41 PM
Here in Brum motorcycles are allowed to use some bus lanes, as specified by the signs at the beginning of all bus lanes. These signs also specify any times/days when the bus lane is active so all motorists should be looking at them anyway. Many of ours are inactive between 7.00pm and 7.00am and also on Sundays although its seem's most drivers take no notice as they pointlessly avoid them at all times!
In general I agree with motorcycles being allowed to use bus lanes, but I have to say that around towns there are some that pose a greater hazard to us and are best avoided. I can see a situation where inattentive motorcyclists get taken out by inattentive drivers turning left across bus lanes. So maybe the local authorities should make the decisions locally?
Just a thought.
SoulKiss
12-08-07, 01:48 PM
Another piece of spin from the government - Local authorities (certainly London) do have the authority to allow bikes to use bus lanes but too many choose not to - They would argue against opening them as they wou;d lose revenue from Bus Lane Fines. In Hillingdon one bus lane of about 100m to traffic lights and for buses only 24hrs and it borders Ealing borough who have the continuation of the bus lane and they are times for the rush hour - its a joke.
Fixed that for you Nos - :)
RhythmJunkie
12-08-07, 06:37 PM
I can see a situation where inattentive
motorcyclists get taken out by inattentive drivers turning left across
bus lanes.
That would be 1% of motorcyclists and 98% of car drivers then?? ;)
It'll be like America soon where different laws and rules apply to different states but in this country it will depend which county or city you are in.....reediculous! :(
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