SV vs CBR600F for starter rider

[muffles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay1feN1Ispo

To be fair though, there's zero air resistance there - it must have a fairly substantial effect?

[yorkie_chris]

It has a massive effect, the only power needed there is to overcome the rolling resistance of the tyre and drag in the transmission.

[Steve H]

To be fair though, there's zero air resistance there - it must have a fairly substantial effect?

Indeed. Also, it only shows on the speedo. That probably equates to 150mph
without wind resistance.

In similar circumstances, an SV would probably show about 145. :smt043

[skidmarx]

FWIW, I've had both, and in my opinion the CBR would make a better starter bike :smt045 The Honda does have more power, but it's far more controllable because of the greater range of revs available and the power delivery characteristics. This means that you can keep the revs down and pootle about around town, without lurching along SV style until you develop your throttle control skills. The Honda also has a proper back brake with some 'feel' that you can use without locking up, PLUS suspension that doesn't get confused over bumps and knock your confidence. Add in the better build quality, comfort, more progressive clutch action, more powerful and progressive front brake, centre stand, side stand that doesn't allow the bike to roll forward, reliability and extra power when you wind it up, then it's no contest! If you've got the money and enough no claims, get the Honda.

[Stu]

side stand that doesn't allow the bike to roll forward, .
How does that work?

[skidmarx]

How does that work?
As far as I can tell, it works because somebody somewhere has taken the time and trouble to design the pivots/mounting position/angle of the side stand so that any forward motion, when deployed, is counteracted upon by a considerable reaction force to the resultant lateral force that tries to tip the bike over and away from the stand. This reaction force is sufficient to overcome the lateral force generated by the bike in it's attempts to go forward under gravity through the use of an 'over centre' pivot location. A similar system is used on the SV, but I think their design office had run out of paper and thus they had to make do with the back of an envelope........or napkin (Spinal Tap style).
I'm afraid there is no 'magic' mechanism or anti-gravity device fitted as standard, and I am prone to exaggeration :-$

[Jelster]

As far as I can tell, it works because somebody somewhere has taken the time and trouble to design the pivots/mounting position/angle of the side stand so that any forward motion, when deployed, is counteracted upon by a considerable reaction force to the resultant lateral force that tries to tip the bike over and away from the stand. This reaction force is sufficient to overcome the lateral force generated by the bike in it's attempts to go forward under gravity through the use of an 'over centre' pivot location. A similar system is used on the SV, but I think their design office had run out of paper and thus they had to make do with the back of an envelope........or napkin (Spinal Tap style).
I'm afraid there is no 'magic' mechanism or anti-gravity device fitted as standard, and I am prone to exaggeration :-$

Can you say that in English ? ;)

What you're saying is, as the stand points forward and is mounted in front of the centre of balance, it reduces the chances of it folding up if the bike were to "roll" forwards ?

Which is how they should all be designed, but I'll keep mine in gear anyway, just to be sure :smt045

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[skidmarx]

Can you say that in English ? ;)

What you're saying is, as the stand points forward and is mounted in front of the centre of balance, it reduces the chances of it folding up if the bike were to "roll" forwards ?

Which is how they should all be designed, but I'll keep mine in gear anyway, just to be sure :smt045

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Yeah that's it!
(I was bored ok?)
I always park uphill anyways ;)

[stuartyboy]

rocket ron is a racing god nuff said.

Agreed - he's still 3 seconds slower on his blade than the 125s though

[northwind]

Yep, but then the 125s plus riders weigh about as much as Ron does, so no wonder :smt045

[stuartyboy]

Yep, but then the 125s plus riders weigh about as much as Ron does, so no wonder :smt045

I know ;) Just love keeping these CBR vs SV threads going.

Maybe we should have a SV vs 125 thread:cool:

[kwak zzr]

those 125 riders always amaze me how young and small they are:) like young bradley smith, shouldnt he be watching transformers and playing on his xbox:) i think you'll see lots more of him in the future.

[fizzwheel]

My brothers mate has just got a CBR 600 F, he only passed his test a month ago, he wanted an SV, but got the CBR cheap.

It looks it really good condition, much better than a lot of SV's of a similar age and value I've seen, He certainly wasnt having any trouble with it on his way to Poole tonight and was keeping a good pace, considering his lack of experience, certainly looked easy enough for him to ride and manage.

[kwak zzr]

i think the cbr 6 is an easy'r bike to ride than the sv.

[stuartyboy]

It looks it really good condition, much better than a lot of SV's of a similar age and value I've seen,

My M reg CBR6 looked better and was put together better than my K6 SV - absolutely no doubt about it.

[kwak zzr]

hondas are built much better than suzis, its all in the price tag.

[kwak zzr]

my cbr6 otr was £7,299 all them years ago where as the sv is £4,700 otr.

[stuartyboy]

Mine had better suspension too:cool:

[kwak zzr]

just a tad.:)

[stuartyboy]

It sure did...preload, rebound and compression damping front and rear.

[stuartyboy]

hondas are built much better than suzis, its all in the price tag.
True - you also get an extra two cylinders

[kwak zzr]

yea you cant have it all with a cbr can you:)

[Warren]

The only valid point the dealer has is the poor build quality....i.e. suzuki cheese bolts. If you dont look after it, winter can do alot of damage. That said if you clean/lube it properly it is fine.

SV's IMO are very reliable bikes....not much truth in what he has said on that score. Try something Italian if you want unreliable!

As for the "heavy throttle hand" argument...that is complete tosh as well. Yes it has lots of low down torque...but if you are hard on the throttle on a CBR, it is more powerful. I am too lazy to check the BHP of the respective bikes but the CBR will have comfortably more horses.

The SV is a great bike for its price and a good choice for a DAS rider. That said the 600F is a better bike pretty much across the board...suspension,handling,build quality etc.

The negatives of the F are the higher purchase/insurance costs and also that if you are a new rider its quite likely you will bin the bike....it will be worse to damage a F than an SV financially.

In summary SV= great bike for the money and certainly should not be discounted.

600F=better bike, but it costs more and some people might not like the riding position.

I would say if you really want a sports bike and have the £'s, then get one or you will only end up trading up in the near future.

having rode both bikes extensivly, id say you are pretty much spot on there.

apart from in the recent years, the CBR600F has come down in price quite a bit,

it was cheaper for me to insure a 2 year old CBR than a brand new SV when i first started out,, by over a grand.

but once i got a years no claims, my insurance halved, now im paying 150 quid to insure my CBR, (25, 3 yr no claims, parked outside)

[ljharmitt]

interesting thread this, just sat here for 2 hours reading it, keep it going

[Berlin]

NEITHER!

You WILL be falling off , possibly quite a few times, in your first three years of riding. Buy something cheap, SLOW and easy to fix for this time..

You might just survive until 2010 that way ;)

Carl

[rob13]

SVs for me have more character - I did look at the CBRF when i bought mine but the typical IL4 noise, unimpressive looks (as well as yukky colour schemes) and the fact that theyre probably like the Ford Focus of the bike world (loads of 'em) I went for the SV. The SV has pitfalls but some of these can be sorted (suspension) and its fun when you can keep up with the bigger bikes in the twisties.

[ASM-Forever]

SVs for me have more character - I did look at the CBRF when i bought mine but the typical IL4 noise, unimpressive looks (as well as yukky colour schemes) and the fact that theyre probably like the Ford Focus of the bike world (loads of 'em) I went for the SV. The SV has pitfalls but some of these can be sorted (suspension) and its fun when you can keep up with the bigger bikes in the twisties.

If the CBR is a Focus, then surely the SV is a Mondeo or Corsa :p

[ljharmitt]

If the CBR is a Focus, then surely the SV is a Mondeo or Corsa :p

I would say the SV is more like a tuned down TVR :rolleyes:

[ASM-Forever]

I would say the SV is more like a tuned down TVR :rolleyes:

From the lad thats never ridden one :rolleyes:

I can do this all day.

[muffles]

I might be able to offer an insight into this in a few weeks I suppose :)

Though I can offer this controversial comment right now: Hondas suck for reliability! :smt082

[ljharmitt]

From the lad thats never ridden one :rolleyes:

I can do this all day.

Rid an SV1000s though so :laughat:

[ASM-Forever]

Rid an SV1000s though so :laughat:

Thats a completely different bike to ride, so you're still nowhere.

If you really want to turn this into a willy waving contest, i have an R6, that you probably couldn't afford to insure!

[northwind]

I would say the SV is more like a tuned down TVR :rolleyes:

If the SV was a car, it'd be a Mazda MX-5. If the CBR was a car, it'd be one of the good Mondeos I reckon, good at everything, even quite nice to look at, but nobody ever thinks of them when they decide they want a new car.

[ljharmitt]

Thats a completely different bike to ride, so you're still nowhere.

If you really want to turn this into a willy waving contest, i have an R6, that you probably couldn't afford to insure!

Could afford it, if i saved but why would i want one :smt082

[ASM-Forever]

Could afford it, if i saved but why would i want one :smt082

Dream on little boy...... :cool:

[ljharmitt]

Dream on little boy...... :cool:

Got a quote tpft for £600 MCDirect, cant complain. Just need a cheap r6 now, got £100 saved up for an 06 model :mrgreen:

[yorkie_chris]

And the bitchiest thread award goes to...

[-Ralph-]

Had both, but 12 years apart, so difficult to make a comparison and my views on the CBR6F are based on the first model. The CBR6F is a nice easy bike to ride.

Not sure about what folk are saying about handling per se, I find the SV lighter and more flickable with changes of direction, though theres nothing in it on intial turn in speed. CBR ride quality however beats the SV hands down, it's stable smooth and feels well planted, the SV doesn't. Followed a modern sports 600 down a twisty road and they've got a lot smaller, lighter and more flickable, since the CBR6F I had, better than the SV nowadays, so maybe a late model CBR6F does handle better? I don't know. My SV isn't snatchy but does require a smooth throttle hand for a nice ride. You do need to ride the clutch more at low revs, but thats just twins.

SV is cheaper all round, but a late model CBR6F is not going to drop its value as quick as a new SV.

Somebody already said in a common sense only world, the CBR6F wins, but for the reasons Northwind gave above about the MX5/Mondeo and because I like twins, I ride an SV.

[ASM-Forever]

And the bitchiest thread award goes to...

Compared to some recent threads...this is a picnic.

[northwind]

I should like to take the opportunity to mention that this is by far the least terrible IL4 vs SV650 thread that the internet has ever witnessed. Well done everyone :mrgreen:

[Pedrosa]

I have a pal that rides a CBR600F andf I have to tell you that they are plenty bike for when you have notched up a lot of experience also. When "playing" on our fave mountain road Israel took a whole lot of getting past through the windy stuff when I was on the 749.:thumbsup:

[ljharmitt]

I should like to take the opportunity to mention that this is by far the least terrible IL4 vs SV650 thread that the internet has ever witnessed. Well done everyone :mrgreen:

I'll start it... :smt077

Whats the point of IL4's when in the real world you only need the power of a v-twin :thumbsup:

and so it starts :clown:

8)

[-Ralph-]

I'll start it... :smt077

Whats the point of IL4's when in the real world you only need the power of a v-twin :thumbsup:

and so it starts :clown:

8)

Jap IL4's :smt015they all look the same to me! Surprised the owners don't loose their bikes at every bike meet, clicking their alarm fobs to see which one bleeps! Afternoon sir, can I interest you in a GSX-ZXR-R1ferBlade? ;):D;)

I'm just pulling your legs, don't :smt071 me...

But the truth hurts eh? ;):D;)

[yorkie_chris]

The term UJM is still valid!

#ducks#

[ASM-Forever]

Come on........surely you can find a better ambassador for v-twin's than the SV!

It least give your engine a fighting chance. :)

[Stu]

For £4Kish new, insurance group 10, no there's not and you don't need a better one.

[stuartyboy]

If the SV was a bike, it'd be a Mazda MX-5.

If the SV was a bike :confused: it'd be a mazda mx5 - in other words its a feckin hairdressers bike/car(?)

What were you saying about inoffensive il4 v v-twin threads? ;)

[-Ralph-]

If the SV was a bike :confused: it'd be a mazda mx5 - in other words its a feckin hairdressers bike/car(?)

What were you saying about inoffensive il4 v v-twin threads? ;)

That why you spent 4 grand on a new one then? ;)

[stuartyboy]

That why you spent 4 grand on a new one then? ;)

I was going through my "new man" phase at the time - in touch with my feminine side and all that. Soon saw the error of my ways and went back to a man's bike.;)

[Frank]

I just love the sight of a curvy pogoing down the road

[-Ralph-]

I was going through my "new man" phase at the time - in touch with my feminine side and all that. Soon saw the error of my ways and went back to a man's bike.;)

A real mans bike sounds like its voice has broken! No girls or choir boys in the V-twin camp. :cool:

Saw an 04 plate RSVR Factory with twin Leo Vince cans last night advertised at 4 grand, now thats a mans bike!

[Smudge]

me thinks some people need to find the cbr forum there seems to be more cbr fans than sv fans on here, i chose the spitfire over the jet and would again any day, i can understand youngsters going for race bikes but to pit one against a sports tourer is just silly, you get what you pay for ive gone to the SV after 18 years of sports bikes and find it a breath of fresh air ive got a K3 and had no probs with any of the finishings having said that i do look after my bikes, i found the yammies the hardest ones to keep in good nick i had a blade in 99 for two years and found it great but much more irratic than the SV

[ljharmitt]

A real mans bike sounds like its voice has broken! No girls or choir boys in the V-twin camp. :cool:

Saw an 04 plate RSVR Factory with twin Leo Vince cans last night advertised at 4 grand, now thats a mans bike!


ALL SOOOO TRUE ha ha.

IL4s are like a 13 y/o teen boy tryin to do a Barry White, we all know that he wont but he still wants to.

"not" saying an il4 is a wanna be vtwin :reaper:

[ASM-Forever]

ALL SOOOO TRUE ha ha.

IL4s are like a 13 y/o teen boy tryin to do a Barry White, we all know that he wont but he still wants to.

"not" saying an il4 is a wanna be vtwin :reaper:

About your age then ;)

[northwind]

If the SV was a bike :confused: it'd be a mazda mx5 - in other words its a feckin hairdressers bike/car(?)


Bingo :) Seriously, it works well, they're both much handier than you'd expect, both respond well to a bit of fettling, both built to outshine their lowly origins... And both girl's wheels ;)

[Durbs]

Durbs here who started this thread way back. My initial decision was between the SV and CBR and having viewed and sat on a load of 'em my final decision is.........

................drum roll......................... Kawasaki Versys. Went to a dealer and just fell in love with it, what a bike. Luvverly. Plus the riding position and height just feels so much more natural than the CBR or SV (found the CBR was more comfy than the SV though). Guess its cos i ride a Varadero now (cracking bike) and my biking history is with crossers that i just find that that type of bike suits me better. Not particularly tall myself (5' 10"ish) but i find i just feel more confident on a taller bike. Feels so nice getting back onto my Varadero after riding the little DAS CB500.

But again, had more people try and put me off the SV along the way. Latest was the steering is too quick for a starter bike leading to novices dropping the thing a lot.

[yorkie_chris]

They're talking bullocks about the quick steering, and thats not something to make you drop it either IMO

Have you tried an SV? (not the S) I like the position of mine, especially with renthal ultra lows on it.

Chris

[northwind]

Versys looks like a great option, I've not tried one yet but it's a very sensible package. The only downer is that it's billed as an all-rounder but the build quality seems to be the usual Kawasaki disaster ground, they somehow manage to be worse than Suzuki in some places, and suzuki are terrible... For a bike that could be perfect for all-year commuting that's a real shame. Still, they're well priced.

Though like Yorkie Chris I think that quick steering comment is just inexplicable, it transcends being wrong :)

[-Ralph-]

Nice one. Looks seriously comfy and should rack up miles real easy. Looks like the screen is adjustable too? One of the crew up here (Quedos) recently bought an ER6f, she seems very happy with it. I'm guessing but I'd be pretty surprised if it's not the same motor. Pillion seat looks nice too, I'm not often on pillion but my brother in law has a VFR800 and I know from that, the side mounted grab rails really make life easier for the pillion. Managed to keep my wife off the VFR so far cos I know once she gets a go that she'll start moaning about the SV. At the moment she thinks the SV is dead comfy (which its not bad to be fair).

And yes that steering comment is ****, do you see lots of folk dropping R6's cos they're too quick steering :confused:. Some folk don't half come out with some nonsense sometimes.

[yorkie_chris]

And yes that steering comment is ****, do you see lots of folk dropping R6's cos they're too quick steering :confused:. Some folk don't half come out with some nonsense sometimes.

See lots of folks putting them through hedges/walls because they run wide, ironically opposite effect...

[Durbs]

I'm guessing but I'd be pretty surprised if it's not the same motor.

Aye, its the same motor as the ER-6 - engine gets very good reviews, supposed to be pretty solid.

Had a look at the ER-6N as an alternative and couldnt decide whether it looked nice or a bit gay, its a strange styling. They had a few of them in and i particularly liked the silver one with the red frame but the salesman said he hated it. Left deciding that i did indeed like them and could live with one, must be my feminine side coming through.