Poor ground clearance

[markmoto]

Man i miss the sv for its ground clearance was out on a ride today on my fazer 1000 and ok so the pegs ground out easy i know that, but on a particular bend i was hangin off and the peg touched down but also so did the centre stand (Not good) the centre stand doesnt move bike had abit of a wiggle but no drama. So soon as i got home the centre stand got whipped off i never use it anyway. So next job is a set of tappered pegs me thinks then i should be ok for some nee down action :D :cool:

Its not big and its not clever but it is soo much fun

[kwak zzr]

my old zzr600s used to grind the centre stand when cornering with a pillion, no great dramas but good sparks on dark nights.

[markmoto]

lol there is that but id rather it was my toe or nee slider than bits of the bike pegs are ok cos they move but centre stands dont so gets can get abit hairy!

[yorkie_chris]

I figure on the SV tht those little bolts are designed to be ground out, thats why they stick out and are replaceable, not that I've managed it yet, though i am about 10mm off the edge of the tyre.

[markmoto]

I figure on the SV tht those little bolts are designed to be ground out, thats why they stick out and are replaceable, not that I've managed it yet, though i am about 10mm off the edge of the tyre.

Absolutely mate yeah thats what there are for when i had my vtr 1000 they where about 2inchs long but used to unscrew themselves when they touched down, seen an 05 fireblade today with prity long ones.

[kwak zzr]

ive had my knee down on the sv but never touched the pegs down and all the tyre is used.

[Lozzo]

ive had my knee down on the sv but never touched the pegs down and all the tyre is used.

You're doing it right then.

[kwak zzr]

You're doing it right then.

oh thanks:cool:

[Lozzo]

Credit where it's due - you're obviously keeping the bike upright enough to keep anything solid like footrests and exhaust cans off the deck, but far enough over to make full use of the tyre. That's what appropriate hanging off does for you.

I was at a GB2/No-Limits trackday at Rockingham today where I helped my instructor mate Danny give an American lady some instruction on hanging off and faster cornering. In the morning she'd been one of the fastest novices, but was sat bolt upright and badly scraping the pegs on her lowered GSR600. In the afternoon, after being moved up a group, she was in the lower to middle of the inters with the pegs only lightly scraping, and a body position mid corner that made John Reynolds look twice and comment on how good she looked out there (we didn't tell her this cos we didn't want her to become too over-confident). Coming through the hairpin onto the long straight she said the bike felt like it just pivoted round and followed her eyes. Unfortunately she didn't have any sliders, but she wasn't at all far off getting her knee down if she'd wanted. I timed her laps and she was knocking half a second off each lap every time she came round. Correct hanging off really works. I love teaching women things like that, unlike most men they listen and take it all in.

She's only been riding since last October too - a natural.

[kwak zzr]

nicely explained lozzo, ive been riding years and can corner fast without hanging off but when i started to get my body position right it just feels right if that makes any sense?

[markmoto]

Yeah but the sv has nice high pegs even when hangin off my fazer it still grounds out :-(

[Lozzo]

Yeah but the sv has nice high pegs even when hangin off my fazer it still grounds out :-(

You're doing it wrong.

[markmoto]

You're doing it wrong.

Explain please?

[Lozzo]

Explain please?


Hanging off properly enables you to keep the bike more upright for the same given corner speed. That way you have more of a contact patch between rubber and tarmac and it jkeeps the solid bits on the bike from grinding and lifting the wheels off the deck. If you're still getting the pegs down then you aren't doing it properly.

It's almost impossible to work on it without seeing what you're doing wrong, correcting it at a standstill and then seeing you go out and try again. It's a whole body position thing, not just shifting your ar5e or moving your upper body over a bit. When people say they hang off like a gibbon they really mean it, until they see themselves on video. That's when they realise they are shifting their ar5e about 4 or 5 inches across the seat and their upper body is still in line with the centre of the bike...all wrong. It's not just a body thing, there's the bracing and position of feet and knees and weighting the outer peg - all of it helps to stabilise the bike in corners and allows you to do it safer and faster.

Hanging off feels alien to most road riders, they feel the bike should be between their legs, not over to one side. Once you've got your head round that, doing it properly comes far easier.

To get an idea watch race videos, then set up a camera on a good corner and record yourself hanging off at your most extreme. Sit back at home doing a comparison and laugh at how little you actually do hang off....then go try again.

[markmoto]

Yeah know what your sayin mate but you obviously havent riden a fazer lol sports bike its not and the clearance is always going to be an issue when you up the pace no matter how far you lean off.

[Lozzo]

Yeah know what your sayin mate but you obviously havent riden a fazer lol sports bike its not and the clearance is always going to be an issue when you up the pace no matter how far you lean off.

I was until very recently a mechanic at a Yamaha dealer, I've ridden a fair few Fazers (old and new models, 600s and 1000s) and they can be hustled round extremely quickly and never get their pegs down in the process. One of the guys at the dealership has an FZ1 trackbike and his pegs have never been down, he rides in the middle of the fast group and regularly does the Nurburgring on it. Another mate has a Y regd Fazer 1000 and his fast group riding pace never has them down either. If you're scraping the pegs then you are a whisker away from scraping your ****/head/shoulder.

I don't think I've had the pegs scraping on any bike designed after 1990 (cruisers and Bandits excepted), and I ain't slow.

My view is still that you're doing it wrong and you should get yourself to a trackday and ask for some expert instruction.

[STRAMASHER]

Yeah know what your sayin mate but you obviously havent riden a fazer lol sports bike its not and the clearance is always going to be an issue when you up the pace no matter how far you lean off.

Those 1st gen Fazers have quite soft suspension? Are you on std. settings? Maybe a bit more preload/ compression back and front should help.

[markmoto]

yeah ive upped the preload, thing is with standard pegs the ground clearance is always going to be an issue even with correct body positioning.