View Full Version : Would anyone else do this??
I for one am fed up with people comming to the UK and taking the pi*S
We have 2 polish couples up the road from us, nothing wrong with that at all, except they have been over hear for 1yr + now and still have their Polish plates on the cars.
This has pi**ed me off as it means they aren ot registerd here so dont pay tax, dont have an MOT, and more than likley dont have insurance or a UK licence either.
I have checked with my Mrs and the official line is that unless they are visiting ( they are not, they rent a house and have jobs) they legally have to register the car, tax it and get an MOT within 6 months!!
So i have decided to report them for the offences above, and the likley ones of no insurance and no licence probably, they have 1 yr to get a UK one!
It just annoys me that i run 2 cars and a bike all 100% legal and people can come over and blatently take the pi**. why do they get away with it? :smt013
I will be telling the police that unless they do sometyhing i will complain to the Police complaints commision.
just wanted to know if any others felt annoyed that imigrants can take the **** so much and get away with it, and would others do the same??
How do you know they are illegal ? are they bothering your kids or your wife, cos if they are grass em up if not what goods it gonna do , why dont you go round and ask them ?
Luckypants
31-07-07, 07:06 PM
Immigrants or not, illegal cars + drivers on the road **** me off. I would report (and have) cars I know were being driven illegally. I particularly have a dislike of the no insurance brigade.
Immigrants or not, illegal cars + drivers on the road **** me off. I would report (and have) cars I know were being driven illegally. I particularly have a dislike of the no insurance brigade.
Yeah I totally agree with you, I just mean how do we know this car is illegal ?
Wideboy
31-07-07, 07:12 PM
so i believe (not sure) if they take their car back to their country of origin within six months then come back they don't have to pay tax, even with ferry charges ETC it still works out cheaper for most cars.
not sure weather i could be bothered to report them (to lazy) but i do see where your coming from, there shouldn't be one law for one group of people and then another group be exempt.
How do you know they are illegal ? are they bothering your kids or your wife, cos if they are grass em up if not what goods it gonna do , why dont you go round and ask them ?
They are not, what they are doing is!!! so that is what is pi**ing me off, and i know its wrong as i have asked my wife to check.
Yeah I totally agree with you, I just mean how do we know this car is illegal ?
Cos its been in the UK not as a visitor for 1yr +, like i said they have visas to work and do work so they are not just visiting a relitive etc.
Wideboy
31-07-07, 07:14 PM
then bye all means well done:smt045 the more illegal drivers off the road the better
Cos its been in the UK not as a visitor for 1yr +, like i said they have visas to work and do work so they are not just visiting a relitive etc.
Visas to work ? I thought Poland was part of the E.U and didnt require a visa to work here, anyway do what you think best I suppose, just playing devils advocate no offence intended ;)
I predict the Police won't be interested (but I'm a congenital cynic).
I'd guess most of the issues are the interest of the DVLA (or not as the case may be), and it'll just be seen as too much hassle for the Police to be bothered. I hope I'm wrong on the latter...........
(....attitude not helped much by a friend just being done for 35mph in a 30 limit. OK the limit is the limit, but it was a hand-held so his word against yours and it was in a spot where 35 is perfectly "safe" anyway, and they know they'll catch plenty of people, so it all just reinforces the cynic in me.....)
Yours truly
Grumpy old man.
I predict the Police won't be interested (but I'm a congenital cynic).
.
That is why i am going to tell them to do something or ill complain to the cheif constable about it etc!
They would be bothered if those same un insured people knocked a kid over or similar.
If its their opinion to drive around the UK like that i might just see some mates in Germany and buy a car while i am ther, that way i wnt have to pay tax or get an MOT either!!
Is annoying as when i came back from Germany, the Army etc were onto me to change my plates to Uk ones ASAP!!
Visas to work ? I thought Poland was part of the E.U and didnt require a visa to work here, anyway do what you think best I suppose, just playing devils advocate no offence intended ;)
None taken mate!
tigersaw
31-07-07, 08:28 PM
My previous neighbours were French, so all their cars were French registered citroens. Of course they paid no road tax! Nor did they worry about speed cameras either.
Maybe they don't know that they have to do anything? Why/how should they know? Have you told them, Neio?
northwind
31-07-07, 10:12 PM
Yep, I think Ed's probably right, it's most likely that they just don't realise they're supposed to reregister the cars. Not that this makes it OK of course... Thing is, how do you raise it with them? Pop over one evening for a bigos and a chat about car registraion?
I wouldn't report it myself, in fact, I probably wouldn't even notice. But, you're not doing anything wrong IMO.
Maybe they don't know that they have to do anything? Why/how should they know? Have you told them, Neio?
Ignorance is not an excuse IMO.
They are foreign not stupid! they know how to come here get jobs, rent a house pay all the other bills.
It only takes a bit of common to think, hang on i should see if i need to do anything about my car.
And ill be letting the friendly police officers tell them the errors of their ways, i am sure none of you on here would find it amusing if any other imigrant doing a similar thing around your area hit you. Then only to be told by the police, sorry mate they are driving illigaly so you wil have to go through the hassle of recovering all your own losses.
Its a tough call but I have to agree that its wrong. I have noticed the same thing with the abundance of Portuguese people in the town where my parents live - most of them seem to still have Portuguese registrations on their cars....
Let us know how it goes! :)
Jester666
01-08-07, 10:03 AM
No question. Report them now! What happens when they have an accident?
Do they have valid insurance? Do they even have a valid visa?
Get in touch with immigration at the same time!
Difficult call Neio but bottom line is safety on the roads and protection to third party is important.
I do think that we Brits are seen as a soft touch on anything foreign, we are so frightened to stick up for our values in our country. I'm not a big traveller overseas so I don't know how we fair in other countries but I imagine that we wouldn't get away with such things?
I can't see Iran or similar countries for example allowing us to build a Christian church in their country? Perhaps I'm going OTT now...:D
Just for the record since this forum seems to be in a period of quick aggressive responses - I'm not racist etc I have many friends and colleagues of various origins and I like em all - not sure if they like me though #-o !!!
Jester666
01-08-07, 10:24 AM
Just for the record since this forum seems to be in a period of quick aggressive responses - I'm not racist etc I have many friends and colleagues of various origins and I like em all - not sure if they like me though #-o !!!
I agree, although I put up a quick post, I'm also not racist!
That's what I love about the UK, neighbours are always willing to grass each other up.
plowsie
01-08-07, 10:37 AM
Report em see what happens, as for foreigners in the country as long as they speak our language in front of us there is no problem, the most annoying thing i always seem to come across is the bloody polish speaking in gobbledy gook to each other, they could be saying anything. But i also think most vital tests should be taken again, such as English and driving because i often follow polish number plate cars and they are very drastic in the way they drive.
EDIT: Obviously all IMO
Will do! at least it could prove usefull to others on here with the same issue in their area.
[quote=Jester666;1251237]No question. Report them now! What happens when they have an accident?
Do they have valid insurance? Do they even have a valid visa?
Get in touch with immigration at the same time!
They more than likley have a genuine work permit as they work for a big hotel around here that would not take on cash in hand illegals, not that i think they need one being part of the EU now.
Difficult call Neio but bottom line is safety on the roads and protection to third party is important.
I do think that we Brits are seen as a soft touch on anything foreign, we are so frightened to stick up for our values in our country. I'm not a big traveller overseas so I don't know how we fair in other countries but I imagine that we wouldn't get away with such things?
I can't see Iran or similar countries for example allowing us to build a Christian church in their country? Perhaps I'm going OTT now...:D
Just for the record since this forum seems to be in a period of quick aggressive responses - I'm not racist etc I have many friends and colleagues of various origins and I like em all - not sure if they like me though #-o !!!
I dont think anyones points are meant to be racist, and i dont think anyone has thought that. Its about reporting people for breaking the law, just as i would if i knew about a brit doing it.
But i also think most vital tests should be taken again, such as English and driving .
EDIT: Obviously all IMO
They do have too after 1 yr apparantly, which is probably something else i could get them done for.
So far i think they are:
Not paying tax,
No MOT,
Probably no insurance for the UK,
Probably no Licence to drive in the UK.
If it was you or me our car would be impounded and crushed, then an apperance in court.
I will be pushing the police to take action.
plowsie
01-08-07, 10:55 AM
They do have too after 1 yr apparantly, which is probably something else i could get them done for.
So far i think they are:
Not paying tax,
No MOT,
Probably no insurance for the UK,
Probably no Licence to drive in the UK.
If it was you or me our car would be impounded and crushed, then an apperance in court.
I will be pushing the police to take action.
Might be worth the trouble because if (touch wood you dont) you ran into the car down the road and damaged your bike/car/yourself, you'd have nothing mate. Might even be worth tipping some little chavs off to rob the car and teach them a lesson lol.
Might be worth the trouble because if (touch wood you dont) you ran into the car down the road and damaged your bike/car/yourself, you'd have nothing mate. Might even be worth tipping some little chavs off to rob the car and teach them a lesson lol.
I have concidered that, if the police fail to act on what i tell them, after writing to the CC to inform him his force is sh*te and that i will now be buying my next car abroad and therfore have no tax insurance or MOT because he seems to think its ok and couldent give a rats ar*e.
My next step would be to 'accidently' run my £400 rover (fully comp cos its cheaper than TPFT!!) into their car. Everyone is a winner i get £400 for a new shead and they get taught a lesson!!
plowsie
01-08-07, 11:06 AM
Actually this has just sparked to mind, when cars are bought over here from foreign countries. You know when police check systems for correct owners and stuff on Uk vehicles, how do they go about it with foreign plates?
Warthog
01-08-07, 11:07 AM
It makes no difference whether they are immigrants or polish or whatever, if you suspect a car is on the road illegally, report it. For the sake of anyone they might crash into.
Wideboy
01-08-07, 06:08 PM
It makes no difference whether they are immigrants or polish or whatever, if you suspect a car is on the road illegally, report it. For the sake of anyone they might crash into.
+1
What a lot of tolerant people there are on here.
Nobody on here has any proof that the folks concerned are doing it deliberately with an intention to flout the law. But that judgement call has already been made. I hope that come the day when anyone on here is accused of doing something that they haven't done that the jury will be more independent-minded. Has anyone on here read 'To Kill a Mockingbird'?
Plowsie, I have to say this. You should be ashamed of yourself in your view that 'the bloody polish speak[ing] in gobbledy gook to each other'. Has it occurred to you that they might think that we 'bloody English' speak in 'gobbledy gook'? And, you don't even have to crsoss the channel to find people who speak in a different language. Not 30 miles from where I live, there are Welsh speakers. And they speak Welsh not so's people like me can't understand them, they speak Welsh for the simple reason that it's their first language. Just like Poles speaking Polish. It's sad, to me anyway, that difference has to be riled rather than celebrated.
It really isn't good enough to try to excuse these sort of opinions by saying 'all IMO' or 'I'm not a racist'. Well frankly I think an independent bystander might form a very different view. To me, it comes across as xenophobic and bigoted.
Ed
Ed,
While I accept that they might not be doing it knowingly they are breaking the law. And if you break it down it’s probably not just one thing it’s the full shebang of motoring offences. Like I said they are foreign not stupid. They like us are reasonable adults so should take the responsibility to find out what is required of them legally in all aspects of lie when moving into the UK. Again I would be doing the same if it was anyone up the road from me driving around like that.
Some of the less honest immigrants know how to play, and make the effort to find out how to make the most of the benefit system we have in the UK. I don’t think that getting pi**ed off with people like this is racist or Xenophobic. The Poles that are living up the road from me are not like that; they have good jobs, privately rent a house with out moving their whole family in and have in general settled into our way of life. However like I say ignorance is not an excuse. I am sure as a lawyer you know that, would it work as defence in court? So I stand by my decision to complain to the police about it. As Skint said people in the UK are too frightened to speak out nowadays due to being called exactly those names. But why?? Why should we not speak out when someone is blatantly taking the p*ss out of our good nature and our rules. I am sure you feel a little bit aggrieved that in the UK there must be 1000’s of these immigrants that have now made the UK their home but are getting away with things like this?
plowsie
02-08-07, 08:31 AM
Thanks ED was that all in your opinion?
Thanks ED was that all in your opinion?
:laughat:
plowsie
02-08-07, 08:40 AM
And also while we're at the stage where you think i'm lying i would like to back up that it is my opinion. Ed if you meet me and get onto stuff like this needless to what people say i will tell my views, it is going to be my opinion, it's no i quote "excuse" its my view therefore my opinion, so therefore IMO stands.
Thanks
21QUEST
02-08-07, 10:20 AM
How many people are sat thinking of Ed as this PC 'sort of person that is helping to make Britain' go under.
I'm will to bet, there are quite a few. I see totally see the point of his firts post myself ;)
neio79, I don't care what you want/decide to do. The only persons concience you need to satisfy(if there is something to satisfy) is YOURS.
The only other thing I'll say is, read the quote below carefully and maybe you'll how you have missed some of the points and appearing to be wrapped up in "something". I won't be putting money on you suddenly seeing 'that' which you have missed though.
It makes no difference whether they are immigrants or polish or whatever, if you suspect a car is on the road illegally, report it. For the sake of anyone they might crash into.
......before anyone even thinks of 'going on' I know all about being accused of being racist etc.
The most annoying(to say the least) this is I DIDN'T even make not one single comment (that could even be misconstrued) regards the persons race......plain and simply made up lies. So you see I'm no PC wotsit but as said some people miss the point.
I can tell you the six months plus that followed that accusation were not that enjoyable.
A wiseman once said "the eyes can only see what the brain allows them to see" .......clever stuff innit ;)
Ben
I dont think anyones points are meant to be racist, and i dont think anyone has thought that. Its about reporting people for breaking the law, just as i would if i knew about a brit doing it.
I was just making a jibe at another post where contributors are getting a little nasty with each other !! :D
What a lot of tolerant people there are on here.
Nobody on here has any proof that the folks concerned are doing it deliberately with an intention to flout the law. But that judgement call has already been made. I hope that come the day when anyone on here is accused of doing something that they haven't done that the jury will be more independent-minded. Has anyone on here read 'To Kill a Mockingbird'?
Plowsie, I have to say this. You should be ashamed of yourself in your view that 'the bloody polish speak[ing] in gobbledy gook to each other'. Has it occurred to you that they might think that we 'bloody English' speak in 'gobbledy gook'? And, you don't even have to crsoss the channel to find people who speak in a different language. Not 30 miles from where I live, there are Welsh speakers. And they speak Welsh not so's people like me can't understand them, they speak Welsh for the simple reason that it's their first language. Just like Poles speaking Polish. It's sad, to me anyway, that difference has to be riled rather than celebrated.
It really isn't good enough to try to excuse these sort of opinions by saying 'all IMO' or 'I'm not a racist'. Well frankly I think an independent bystander might form a very different view. To me, it comes across as xenophobic and bigoted.
Ed
In my case I think you have have misinterpreted the intent - partly my fault. I was making a jibe at another post (bit silly if you haven't read it I admit) where people comments are being taking out of context.
However as Neio says a court of law (from my humble experience) has little interest in a persons knowledge of the law. A jury and even a judge may sympathise if the feel so moved but I have yet to find a solicitor acting for the 'opposition' that won't deal any cr*p card to win for their client irrespective of the opposition parties lack of knowledge or personal limitations.
If I was a solicitor and looking purely at the legal position, Neio cannot be faulted in his actions. As a person I tend to try and find the best in people but that could be my downfall sometimes, and perhaps typically English :D
OK I'll come out of my 'silenced' mode.
First off I'm an unashamed social liberal. Second, I believe in giving peeps the benefit of the doubt.
I couldn't give a toss whether the report is made or not. There are good grounds for reporting it. What I found objectionable was the assumption that the people concerned were keeping their Polish plates simply to avoid British law as a matter of intention, rather than any form of acceptance that there might, just might, be a good reason - like they didn't know. That is, a good reason as far as the Polish people involved are concerned, I'm not saying that their ignorance is an excuse. But there was too much jumping to conclusions. For example, the Poles might like keeping their Polish plates as a link to their country.
Now I really will STFU;)
plowsie
02-08-07, 11:36 AM
Actually this has just sparked to mind, when cars are bought over here from foreign countries. You know when police check systems for correct owners and stuff on Uk vehicles, how do they go about it with foreign plates?
bump
It is certainly amazing how a bunch of people can get worked up over something where they have no personal involvement.
Is it not worth giving these Polish people the benefit of the doubt? They might not realise they are doing anything wrong. No one has popped over and said 'by the way, do you realise you are breaking the law with those plates?', no, everyone just jumps about and demand they be screwed over royally. Lovely bunch of tolerant people.
Now if someone tried talking to them and got a mouthful of abuse and they obviously did know they were in the wrong then fine! But people make mistakes and no one knows everything. For all we know, those cars could be fully insured etc just not over here.
Actually this has just sparked to mind, when cars are bought over here from foreign countries. You know when police check systems for correct owners and stuff on Uk vehicles, how do they go about it with foreign plates?
With great difficulty !!!
Also report them or what you believe them to be doing and allow the police to make the decsion what to do about it.
timwilky
02-08-07, 01:19 PM
Don't you realise this country is to become a polish state. The polishisation of the roads has already started. see road signs of Chesire
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_02/polishsign21502_468x310.jpg
and also the disproportionate number of east european drivers involved in accidents (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406634-details/Eastern%20Europeans%20%27cause%2015%20per%20cent%2 0of%20fatal%20accidents%20on%20rural%20roads%27/article.do)
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406634-details/Eastern%20Europeans%20%27cause%2015%20per%20cent%2 0of%20fatal%20accidents%20on%20rural%20roads%27/article.do)
Those signs were placed there by Shropshire County Council, which was doing some work on the A49 just inside the county boundary with a diversion in place around some country lanes, but Cheshire CC objected and they had to be taken down. Daft really as a lot of Polish truckers use the route and if it helped them to understand what they had to do then all well and good.
OK I'll come out of my 'silenced' mode.
First off I'm an unashamed social liberal. Second, I believe in giving peeps the benefit of the doubt.
I couldn't give a toss whether the report is made or not. There are good grounds for reporting it. What I found objectionable was the assumption that the people concerned were keeping their Polish plates simply to avoid British law as a matter of intention, rather than any form of acceptance that there might, just might, be a good reason - like they didn't know. That is, a good reason as far as the Polish people involved are concerned, I'm not saying that their ignorance is an excuse. But there was too much jumping to conclusions. For example, the Poles might like keeping their Polish plates as a link to their country.
Now I really will STFU;)
Say what you want mate, its a forum, thats what its there for, for people to air their views, we have 2000 + poles in Warrington and never have any problems. Polish beers quite good too :D
northwind
02-08-07, 01:55 PM
Don't you realise this country is to become a polish state.
I thought it was going to become a muslim state? :smt003 Perhaps they can take turns.
gettin2dizzy
02-08-07, 01:55 PM
and also the disproportionate number of east european drivers involved in accidents (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406634-details/Eastern%20Europeans%20%27cause%2015%20per%20cent%2 0of%20fatal%20accidents%20on%20rural%20roads%27/article.do)
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406634-details/Eastern%20Europeans%20%27cause%2015%20per%20cent%2 0of%20fatal%20accidents%20on%20rural%20roads%27/article.do)
15%!! I suppose thats probably nothing really considering they're the only people going to work! ;) I did find it odd going to london and finding a section of the paper in polish!
Does anyone not see how strange it must look to an outsider that all we do is complain about immigrants coming to live and work here yet we are leaving in droves to go and live in Canada,Australia, the U.S. france, spain, italy etc.. it just seems that its ok to go and live in someone elses country without learning there customs, language etc and not fully intergrate in to there society but its not ok to come and do the same here. Just a thought.
Warthog
02-08-07, 02:30 PM
"He added that the 14 per cent figure for immigrants was nearly as many as they got for motorcyclists - who had long been an at-risk group in the region."
hehe riding a bike is as dangerous as being Polish :lol:
, the Poles might like keeping their Polish plates as a link to their country.
I doubt it they have their language and the privacy of their own home to do as they wish in their own traditions and ways. I have no objections to people wanting to keep and be proud of their heratige.
I thought it was going to become a muslim state? :smt003 Perhaps they can take turns.
Dont get me started on that one!! :smt067
Does anyone not see how strange it must look to an outsider that all we do is complain about immigrants coming to live and work here yet we are leaving in droves to go and live in Canada,Australia, the U.S. france, spain, italy etc.. it just seems that its ok to go and live in someone elses country without learning there customs, language etc and not fully intergrate in to there society but its not ok to come and do the same here. Just a thought.
we are leaving because (your fav Ed) IMO this country has become a sH*t hole and a shadow of its former self!
. For all we know, those cars could be fully insured etc just not over here.
I very much doubt it, they have been here a year or there abouts, so unless they have a limited green card??
tigersaw
02-08-07, 06:50 PM
Check to see if the vehicles are taxed.
if not, fill in form here:
http://forms.dvla.gov.uk/public/unlic_veh/report_online_dg.htm
we are leaving because (your fav Ed) IMO this country has become a sH*t hole and a shadow of its former self!
I blame those do-gooder tree-hugging liberals, me:D
northwind
02-08-07, 11:40 PM
we are leaving because (your fav Ed) IMO this country has become a sH*t hole and a shadow of its former self!
We've been leaving since the age of sail... Britain's a nation of emigrants. When people talk about the rising trend in emigration, they always do it from around 1996- ignoring the fact that the early 90s were one of the lowest points in UK history for emigration. A young professional in the UK is now more likely to remain in the UK than at any point since the founding of America...
toonyank
02-08-07, 11:45 PM
I for one am fed up with people comming to the UK and taking the pi*S
I will answer the original question, yes this does annoy me, because:
I am also a Johny foriegner, US by trade and to the best of my knowledge follow all the rules. Me (and my loverly wife) have 2 cars and the SV and pay all the necessary dues.
Just for the record and I'm not necessarily complaining but I even had to sit both my car and motorbike practical tests over here even though I've been driving/riding for 24 years.
Yes Europeans have to get a UK license but they can get them transfered and do not have to sit a practical test so there's no excuse. As for insurance and if they do or don't have it well if it's the latter then there is definetely no excuse.
As for tax here we go again just avoiding the system I guess and don't blame anyone for wanting justice. We all pay enough tax let alone paying for others who feel they don't have to.
Edit: Just curious who are the ones who voted YES let them drive around totally illegal, or maybe this was a mistake?
I blame those do-gooder tree-hugging liberals, me:D
I am not rising to the bait Ed!! LOL ;) , but the short answer is yes so do i!!
Captain Nemo
03-08-07, 08:34 AM
i have to echo what ED has said, the intollerance and ignorance shown on this forum at times is astounding, , not just this thread but many others with people bandying about innacurate statements as facts, then these becoming truth because there repeated often enough........starting a statement with "im not a racist , but" is more or less saying i am , but i dont want to appear to be, its not down to race.
i know its just "the internet" and its not real, but the amount of crap that gets sprouted on here at times appals me, ,
theres probably not a single person on here who supports the reporting them route who doesnt on regular basis abuse speed limits or anti social noise with there bikes yet they selectively choose to "report" someone for a transgression that theyve deemed to be unacceptable.
yes illegals illegal and all that , but tons of vehicles on the road are illegal, are you going to start going round picking every vehicle and reporting them for unfounded suspicions, good luck
let me know when youre up my way and ill put my baffles in and make sure i display my tax disc properly, best not take any chances.....
of course all this is just my humble opinion.............
timwilky
03-08-07, 08:37 AM
I doubt it they have their language and the privacy of their own home to do as they wish in their own traditions and ways. I have no objections to people wanting to keep and be proud of their heratige.
Reminds me of a friend whose parents were polish. They would use the language to publicly talk about others etc. Well one day Ella and her mother had gone back to Poland to visit family and mum forgot herself and started to talk about the fat woman on the train. Yes you guessed it, in Polish in Poland. Apparently she got a reminder across the face not to publicly slag people off.
i have to echo what ED has said, the intollerance and ignorance shown on this forum at times is astounding, , not just this thread but many others with people bandying about innacurate statements as facts, then these becoming truth because there repeated often enough........starting a statement with "im not a racist , but" is more or less saying i am , but i dont want to appear to be, its not down to race. People say such things often because they feel that some smart *ss will always acuse them of it, but they geniunely know themselves its not down to race.
i know its just "the internet" and its not real, but the amount of crap that gets sprouted on here at times appals me, ,
theres probably not a single person on here who supports the reporting them route who doesnt on regular basis abuse speed limits or anti social noise with there bikes yet they selectively choose to "report" someone for a transgression that theyve deemed to be unacceptable.
yes illegals illegal and all that , but tons of vehicles on the road are illegal, are you going to start going round picking every vehicle and reporting them for unfounded suspicions, good luck - perhaps we had best disband the whole legal profession then. How do you think issues are investigated, do you leave everything up to someone else? I have reported two lorries that were emitting very black exhaust smoke, which I suspected wasn't appropriate. I didn't check what country they were from :-k I wouldn't hestitate to report a drunk driver.
let me know when youre up my way and ill put my baffles in and make sure i display my tax disc properly, best not take any chances.....You could be right - 'cast the first stone' and all that
of course all this is just my humble opinion.............
Sounds to me as if you suffer from the same intolerance assuming that because someone says they are not a racist you assume them to be.
Agree with your 'crap' comment though, but wish I hadn't responded to this post :rolleyes: Think you opened a can of worms here Neio!:D
i have to echo what ED has said, the intollerance and ignorance shown on this forum at times is astounding, , not just this thread but many others with people bandying about innacurate statements as facts, then these becoming truth because there repeated often enough........starting a statement with "im not a racist , but" is more or less saying i am , but i dont want to appear to be, its not down to race.
i know its just "the internet" and its not real, but the amount of crap that gets sprouted on here at times appals me, ,
theres probably not a single person on here who supports the reporting them route who doesnt on regular basis abuse speed limits or anti social noise with there bikes yet they selectively choose to "report" someone for a transgression that theyve deemed to be unacceptable.
yes illegals illegal and all that , but tons of vehicles on the road are illegal, are you going to start going round picking every vehicle and reporting them for unfounded suspicions, good luck
let me know when youre up my way and ill put my baffles in and make sure i display my tax disc properly, best not take any chances.....
of course all this is just my humble opinion.............
I don’t think that anything I have said on this thread is ignorant or intolerant at all. What is so wrong about wanting to report such blatant disregard for the rules and regulations enforced by law in this country?? Maybe you think that it is ok for someone to drive around illegal? Maybe if that is the case , would you agree that if they ca ndo it so can I or you, f**k it why don’t we just all cancel our insurance policies and go and get a foreign car, that way we don’t have to pay tax o ever get an MOT.
You say some people on here are in tolerant, well some ( thankfully a very small minority) must be mind numbingly simple if they think it is ok for people to have no respect for our law under the excuse “oh I did not know’ the law makes no exceptions for you understanding it or how its applied.
Would you turn a blind eye to someone down your road dealing drugs if they were polish, and maybe though it was ok in the UK?? With the excuse, oh I was not told it was against the law therefore it must be ok!
Extreme I know but the principle is the same.
I don’t consider myself intolerant or a racist I will openly grass on anyone who breaks the law so openly, knowingly or not! And yes if I saw you riding around with out a tax disc on I would report it, how do I know you actually have it under your seat?? For all I know you are not taxed, therefore not insured!! If you ride around with no tax on display can you reasonably expect not to be tugged at some point, yes I know it would be cleared up in 5 min, however it is actually an offence to ride drive without a valid tax disc on display. So I don’t see how you could complain if you got tugged.
Bottom line is I would report anyone for the offences originally listed, be them white black yellow etc etc. your colour or creed makes no difference to me.
I really don’t see why some people think that just because I an others on here would report wrong doing committed by a non brit it makes them racist, what is so wrong about wanting your country to be a good place to be and all who live here to abide by our way of living and accept our values and traditions, again if that makes me a racist in some of your eyes so be it I am then!!
for me its a personal pride thing, a stand agains everything that i see as wrong in the UK and most people are too lazy to complain about, give me one, just one reason how any one on here can justify whay they are doing and 'cos they dont know 'is not a reason
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_02/polishsign21502_468x310.jpg
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23406634-details/Eastern%20Europeans%20%27cause%2015%20per%20cent%2 0of%20fatal%20accidents%20on%20rural%20roads%27/article.do)
I can tolerate the cars that may or may not be taxed/insured but this is insufferable!!!
I live in Britain where the national language is ENGLISH
If we're going to follow this type of anal politically correct miss-guided logic then I'm starting a sign making company cos' there's going to be a massive demand for ALL the multitude of other languages out thereRant Over
northwind
03-08-07, 12:00 PM
I can tolerate the cars that may or may not be taxed/insured but this is insufferable!!!
So instead, you want HGV drivers who can't read the road signs driving around lost and distracted? This is just common sense tbh, and Ed pointed out the reasoning behind it. Confusing drivers causes accidents, simple as, I'd sooner have a few polish road signs where they're helpful than an HGV parked on my bike.
I can see both sides to this particulay point, yes it helps the driver understand what is being asked of him ( other than following traffic and the obvious blocked road ahead/contraflow etc)
However do other countries put up road work signs in English?? hmmm! the UK is the capital of the soft let not say/do anything incase it upsets them, ohh you cant do that pink and fluffy PC n*b brigade, FFS when will it all end. Civil war i say, lets just have a big ruck and see who is standing!
philbut
03-08-07, 12:16 PM
Reminds me of a friend whose parents were polish. They would use the language to publicly talk about others etc. Well one day Ella and her mother had gone back to Poland to visit family and mum forgot herself and started to talk about the fat woman on the train. Yes you guessed it, in Polish in Poland. Apparently she got a reminder across the face not to publicly slag people off.
I get that from my missiz. She is Polish, and i can always tell when i'm in trouble because she insults me to her mates in Polish - I'm a fast learner though, she best watch out ;). I already know the important phrases (eg how to order beer :drink:).
Don't really wanna get involved in the argument, but in my experience, all the Polish people I know do have insurance, but I do accept the point about tax. I guess if they run the car 99% of the time i the UK, they should pay UK tax. I know one lad with an R1 who took it back to Poland and registered it there to avoid the speed camera fines, but it is fully taxed / insured etc to ride in the UK. Uninsured drivers are just pr$%ks regardless of nationality.
grh1904
03-08-07, 12:40 PM
Not sure if this goes off thread slightly, apologies if it does.
I recently carried out a stop check on a Polish male, and my control room operator asked me if my radio was secure, there was a marker on the PNC to locate/trace this male and pass on details to INTERPOL.
I did this and was contacted back by them, they were in the process of having a Polish arrest warrant for the male sent over and translated.
He is wanted in his homeland for SEVERAL drink-drive charges, SEVERAL drive while disqualified charges and a couple of fail to stop at scene of accidents.
Methinks that he will fall into the category of habitual drink-drivers who just don't get it, all I can say is I hope that this guys next accident doesn't involve anyone on this site.
To report or not report them is a matter of conshuns (don't ask me to spell it !!!!!!!), for the original poster, bearing in mind they are almost neighbours, but if taken in the context of my guy above, what price do you put on a life taken by an untaxed, un-insured, un-safe vehicle driven by an un-licensed driver.
RhythmJunkie
03-08-07, 12:56 PM
Drink rehabilitation schemes? You mean our tax is going to pay to get them off alcohol abuse??? Uh? What? Am I dreaming? I don't like it....I want to wake up now! :(
Oops! was that racist? :rolleyes:
RhythmJunkie
03-08-07, 01:03 PM
what price do you put on a life taken by an untaxed, un-insured, un-safe vehicle driven by an un-licensed driver
Puts me off driving....its bad enough avoiding idiots without bringing retarded alcoholics into the mix!!:confused:
northwind
03-08-07, 01:10 PM
You say some people on here are in tolerant, well some ( thankfully a very small minority) must be mind numbingly simple if they think it is ok for people to have no respect for our law under the excuse “oh I did not know’ the law makes no exceptions for you understanding it or how its applied.
You can't respect a law you don't know about :rolleyes:
Nobody's saying that ignorance makes it OK to break the law- what Ed said is that it should be taken into account, and as anyone with an understanding of the law or how its applied knows, it is. Intent is always a consideration in any criminal or civil trial.
northwind
03-08-07, 01:19 PM
However do other countries put up road work signs in English?
Well, yes, they do :) It's pretty common on the continent. You could say that English is a more common language, though, and you'd be right.
. I know one lad with an R1 who took it back to Poland and registered it there to avoid the speed camera fines, but it is fully taxed / insured etc to ride in the UK. Uninsured drivers are just pr$%ks regardless of nationality.
How does that work, as if it is not registerd in the UK he cant pay tax and does not need an MOT, also i doubt he could grt UK insurance on a foreign registerd car!
philbut
03-08-07, 02:04 PM
He lives in Poland but rides the bike quite often over here when he's workin (I knew this question would come up as soon as i posted). Insurance is valid here so long as you inform your insurance company that you will be abroad. So, it is MOT'd and taxed in Poland - so in road worthy condition etc and his insurance would cover him in an accident. Yes, we do lose out on the road tax, but it is a 50:50 being in the UK and Poland. Bikes sell for more over there too apparently (which I don't understand but seems to be true) hence he wanted it register it there so when he came to sell it, he'd get more. This is slightly different to your neighbours situation I think.
WRT licences, if a Pole (or any other European) gets pulled over here with a Polish licence and is a resident in the UK, the courts force them to get a UK licence in exchange so they can receive their points - friend of mine had this happen, so they can't escape without a fine and points that easily. Of course, foreign vehicles are harder to trace though.
So he ones up the road from me could say that to the police and get off, even though i know they live here 90% of the time??
philbut
03-08-07, 02:58 PM
I guess so. If the police want to follow it up, they could check with the Polish authorities. this would confirm if the cars were infact road legal and insured. I'm sure they are used to this sort of thing with the number of foreign vehicles in the UK. There must be systems in place to check insurance details etc from other EU countries. I think the main issues are insurance and road worthiness. If you have reason to believe that they aren't insured then you'd be total within your rights to have a word in plods ear - if they are all above board then they have nothing to worry about do they - and if not...well thats their problem.
vBulletin® , Copyright ©2000-2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.