Honda Civic Type R [Archive] - SV650.org - SV650 & Gladius 650 Forum

DanAbnormal

07-08-07, 10:07 AM

does this mean you've passed your driving test?

yep.

I don't mind making them work. I'm used to riding a bike so it should be quite natural. I'll just have to remember not to filter!!!

Going to look at one tonight. Sexy black one. I'm starting a Honda collection!

Viney

07-08-07, 10:09 AM

sarah

07-08-07, 10:15 AM

does this mean you've passed your driving test?

yep.

congrats!

rigor

07-08-07, 10:16 AM

Its a honda.

I remember talking to one of the top bods at honda at a motorshow, about the v-tec engine and its longenvity. His reply, to his knowledge that had only 40 failures of a vtec engines since production. And he said that most of them where down to poor maintenance.

Driven one...mental is the word.

One of those would be my old S2000 then :D It blew up after being serviced regularly :D (Nothing to do with my lead feet thank god ;))

cuffy

07-08-07, 10:16 AM

I had a blast in one, and dare i say it...it was better than my golf gti turbo :(

Also like viney said, the engines are bullet proof.

Jelster

07-08-07, 11:05 AM

Dan,

It depends on what you want and how you're going to use it. For short frantic back lane driving they're a great bit of kit. I tried one and didn't like it. They lack refinement, are very noisy and are not particularly comfortable.

They do look good, sound good (from the outside) and are fun to drive. But they do need to be revved, all the power is at the top and you have to work the V-tec to make it go.

Try one, but remember that it's got to do long motorway work as well as flying through the Pirbright (Foot & Mouth) twisties.

I found the Focus ST to be a better all round package, but you won't get one that old, so the budget will be higher. It'll cost you to insure it, it's a group 16 or 17 car, not cheap for a new driver.

Hope that helps, it's not meant to be too negative, it may be just what you want...

Oh, and congrats on the pass.

.

DanAbnormal

07-08-07, 11:22 AM

Thanks all for your replies. While I am happy I passed my test I don't actually feel that elated at all. When I passed my bike test it was the best feelign ever. It's more for my wife that I did the test anyway, I could have happily never done the test but the missus thinks I needed to get it done. I'll use it mainly for toing and froing from work but the occasional weekend blast. I just love the look of the Civic Type R and don't want to have a boring slow car. Sensible is just not me!:rolleyes:

gettin2dizzy

07-08-07, 11:55 AM

You checked out your insurance yet? Bike insurance is cheap in comparison!

DanAbnormal

07-08-07, 12:05 PM

You checked out your insurance yet? Bike insurance is cheap in comparison!

Yep. I really wanted an S2000 but the insurance was too much for that. So the next best thing (same engine too) was the Civic. It'll do until I can afford a Focus St.

Skip

07-08-07, 12:07 PM

One of those would be my old S2000 then :D It blew up after being serviced regularly :D (Nothing to do with my lead feet thank god ;))
My mate blew his Integra Type R up at Snetterton - oil surge was the culprit...

mister c

07-08-07, 12:18 PM

My mate blew his Integra Type R up at Snetterton - oil surge was the culprit...
Worked at a Honda Dealership for a couple of months. They had a Type R in for repair (Broken conrod which left, stage right through the crankcase)with about 3000miles on the clock. Spoke to the mechanics & they reckon that they had oil issues.
They need to be regularly serviced & check the oil even more regularly.

Jelster

07-08-07, 01:18 PM

Yep. I really wanted an S2000 but the insurance was too much for that. So the next best thing (same engine too) was the Civic.

Actually, it's not the same engine. Similar but different, the S2000 produces 240PS, the CTR is 198PS. Have seen one with a turbo though, that was rather interesting.

It'll do until I can afford a Focus St.

:thumbsup:

What a sensible person you are, no small "torque" there :)

kwak zzr

07-08-07, 03:58 PM

went in my nephews civic vvti think it was, Ruddy fast when the revs are high thats for sure, this civic has 170,000 miles on the clock and has been thrashed for the last 40,000 that i know to with no issues.

DanAbnormal

07-08-07, 04:17 PM

Actually, it's not the same engine. Similar but different, the S2000 produces 240PS, the CTR is 198PS. Have seen one with a turbo though, that was rather interesting.

:thumbsup:

What a sensible person you are, no small "torque" there :)

I was thinking of adding a positive displacement supercharger! Should add abot 87 more horses! Realistically though, I probably won't be able to afford anything other than the Type R for sometime. Insurance is £1200 Fully comp which is not bad seeing as I only passed my test last week! I guess being older (29) and having ridden for a few years has helped. The Focus ST is dreamy. When do I get a go in yours? Don't worry I don't want to drive it. I've just never been in one.

Jelster

07-08-07, 06:04 PM

The Focus ST is dreamy. When do I get a go in yours? Don't worry I don't want to drive it. I've just never been in one.

I'll have to pop down to the GM meet in it one evening...

I went to "Ford Fair" on Sunday, more ST's than you can dream of, including one of the clubs owners with a modified turbo, intercooler, remap and turbo back exhaust system pulling somewhere in the region of 340 bhp! God save us [-o<

But until I get chance to take you for a spin, make do with these, as it got the "Kwak ZZR" treatment on Saturday....

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2117/img3554mediumyl7.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7564/img3703mediumfm0.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4919/img3557mediumyi3.jpg

I love my car too :cool:

ClemsonSV

07-08-07, 06:22 PM

I had the equivalent of the type R called the SI over here, but mine was a '99. It was great on gas even when you get after it a good bit reving to 8k rpm a lot! Mine had 112k miles on it and burned some oil especially in vtec...Doesn't really mean much as it was raced, had an adjustable, extremely low suspension, apexi exhaust, 8lb flywheel and 4 puck racing clutch. Was a blast to drive, but not very comforable and pretty loud engine wise. I loved it until it got stolen 8 months after I bought it...i got it back though, minus the engine. Good luck! They are great cars and lots of fun to drive.

If you want something more comfortable I would go something else...like a newer mini!

kwak zzr

07-08-07, 08:46 PM

Jelster i :smt055 your car! nuff said.

Dan

07-08-07, 08:53 PM

If you want something more comfortable I would go something else...like a newer mini!

:-s

Type R: Cool

New Mini: Camp

scWirral

07-08-07, 09:06 PM

I had a 54 reg type R for a couple of years. Loved it. If you can find one for a good price, try and get Aircon (the only option there is, unless you want the dealer fit leather seats which I had too). I was 'encouraged' to get shut of it by the missus when we found that we were expecting a baby. To be honest, sitting in the back was pretty much unbearable. The suspension is developed for track day performance first, comfort second. Unlike the non type r cars, there are only two seatbelts for the rear seat, presumably because Honda wont say that the suspension can cope with 3 adults in the back.

On the plus side tho, my better half did buy me my SV and encourage me back onto two wheels after an accident enforced layup.

If you could manage with something like an mx5 as an alternative (ie you dont need a family car) then the CTR is a very practical car as you have the option of taking a couple of rear seat passengers if you want, and of course you have a great boot size. If you need a practical family hatch then it is a bit too performance focused.

If you do get one and would like a full size alloy spare, I have a badly painted (black) orignial CTR alloy with a tyre which you can have if you are passing. It was from a set of track alloys which I had. Some pea brain broke into my garage last year and stole amongst other stuff the three other alloys. Keep your eyes out for reliant running black 17inch wheels!

Jelster

07-08-07, 09:16 PM

Some pea brain broke into my garage last year and stole amongst other stuff the three other alloys.

Keep your eyes out for reliant running black 17inch wheels!

:smt044

GeeMac

08-08-07, 12:41 AM

Buy my type-r... :)

Black, 53 plate, 27k, alpine mp3/cd stereo, pentagon security film...going in for a major service next week to spruce it up before putting it up for sale.

£8500

08-08-07, 07:51 AM

As long as it has been regularly serviced there's very little to 'look out for' so to speak.
The vast majority of niggles that any came into our garage with were generally related to low oil - so just keep checking it regularly even on a young car and you'll be fine.

Oh yeah - you may go through brake pads if you're a bit heavy on the feet, and it does pay to stick to genuine Honda parts.
Having seen the difference in build quality even on something as simple as the oil filter... well, it's worth it to keep your Honda a Honda in my opinion.

Jools'SV Now

08-08-07, 10:43 AM

DanAbnormal

08-08-07, 04:04 PM

Things to look out for in Honda Civic Type R.

1. People stopping you and asking for a loaf of bread
2. RX-8s overtaking you
3. Avoid the ones with neon lights underneath and an owner in a baseball cap - wikkid innit
:smt016

I didn't think RX8's were all that quick!? Besides, that would imply that the rotary engine hasn't already blown up! My mate bought a new Rx8, went back to the dealer 13 times in 6 months until he said enough and got his money back.

Jools'SV Now

10-08-07, 04:20 PM

230 hp in a rear wheel drive car, only weighs 1300kg.

They do go some, sir.

The rx8 will go round the corners quite a bit quicker.
Shouldn't think there's much in the insurance cost, but the 8 will be thirstier on the petrol.
I average about 23mpg in the 8.

Don't get me wrong the civic is a good car and more than pwerful enough for most.

kwak zzr

10-08-07, 11:17 PM

the 8 will be thirstier on the petrol.

and oil.

Tim in Belgium

10-08-07, 11:58 PM

My friend had the old Type R when it first came out, and just traded it in for the new type R. He reckons the old one was a bit more raw and frantic, with more of a hit when the VTEC came in.

Oil and regular servicing are required, on his sometimesthe V-Tec wouldn't come in when it required a service/some work but generally very reliable. I took it round the ring (much to his squeals of "Easy Tim, easy..") and found that although the write up claim dead steering that it's communicative at speed, and nice to drift through miss-hit-miss. The only problem I had with it was hitting the rev limiter so quickly, it sounds like it wants to keep on going....

Find a good one that's been maintained and it'll be am ace buy.

GeeMac

11-08-07, 05:56 AM

the 8 will be thirstier on the petrol.
I average about 23mpg in the 8.I think I get about 21mpg in the civic, not much in it though...

My friend had the old Type R when it first came out, and just traded it in for the new type R. He reckons the old one was a bit more raw and frantic, with more of a hit when the VTEC came in.
This sounds about right. If I am correct, the old type-r was geared for pure acceleration with a lower top end speed.

I'm off to find Chiswick Honda...time to get the final service :( Might sit on a CBR when I'm there :)

11-08-07, 07:36 AM

My friend had the old Type R when it first came out, and just traded it in for the new type R. He reckons the old one was a bit more raw and frantic, with more of a hit when the VTEC came in.

The VTEC is totally 'reversed' from the old and new style Civics - it used to deliver power, but now is engineered to deliver fuel economy. :roll:

Tim in Belgium

11-08-07, 07:50 AM

I don't think the new one is any slower really, just the way the V-Tec comes in is smoother, more gradual and from a lower rev range. Great cars both of them, though not so keen on the rump of the new one, although beauty is in the eye of the beholde.

GeeMac

11-08-07, 08:55 AM

Had a good look round the new type-r when I was at the garage earlier...quite nice. Grows on you. Obviously need to test it to see if it's any better than mine...

Left mine in for a service and got a 1.4 new shape civic as a loaner...lovely inside but the accelerator's bust :(

muffles

11-08-07, 10:49 PM

TVR Sagaris :D OK so it won't be reliable, but that's the price you pay ;)

northwind

12-08-07, 02:33 AM

I loved it, played it for hours when I was younger.

http://www.ncsx.com/www/ncs1201/r-type-1.jpg

What?

MiniMatt

12-08-07, 02:51 AM

I loved it, played it for hours when I was younger.

http://www.theaveragegamer.com/wp-content/Screenshots/Rtype/Rtype-Krell.jpg

What?

Geek! :D On the Amiga or the ST? :D

Keith1983

12-08-07, 07:19 AM

Have you thought of alternatives or have you got your heart set on the honda? What about a clio 182? You said you wanted something a bit different but you see type r's everywhere. What is your budget?

Jelster

12-08-07, 10:32 AM

I loved it, played it for hours when I was younger.

http://www.theaveragegamer.com/wp-content/Screenshots/Rtype/Rtype-Krell.jpg

What?

Geek! :D On the Amiga or the ST? :D

Hey, I still have my Atari 1040 ST up in the loft !

northwind

12-08-07, 02:18 PM

Geek! :D On the Amiga or the ST? :D

Master system. I think my washing machine has more processing power :D

Jools'SV Now

13-08-07, 11:46 AM

and oil.

Ah, the old "uses alot of oil"
Approx 1 litre per 2000 miles on average is not alot of oil for an engine that is designed to use it to lubricate the rotors above certain rpms.(of which there are 9500)

anyways £5 of oil per 2000 miles is nowt compared to the cost of 2000 miles of fuel: £400.;)

gettin2dizzy

13-08-07, 11:49 AM

why can't we have a production rotary bike :(

Jelster

13-08-07, 11:58 AM

Ah, the old "uses alot of oil"
Approx 1 litre per 2000 miles on average is not alot of oil for an engine that is designed to use it to lubricate the rotors above certain rpms.(of which there are 9500)

anyways £5 of oil per 2000 miles is nowt compared to the cost of 2000 miles of fuel: £400.;)

Yes, my ST suffers from the fuel problem... Some say they can get 30mpg on a motorway, I reckon that they are obviously not tuned in to that engine note... I meant you just HAVE to drive at over 5k so you can listen to that induction noise....

Who needs a stereo with an engine like that ?

.

rigor

13-08-07, 12:03 PM

why can't we have a production rotary bike :(

We did, (Norton Commander I think, plus possible a couple of other variants, Police bike rings a bell). I think though, that with todays focus on racing, and the trouble with agreeing what capacity a rotary engine counts as, there probably won't be any "production" bikes, maybe a short run special or two may rear it's ugly head though.

gettin2dizzy

13-08-07, 12:30 PM

it suits a bike so well though! small, lightweight, high revving and very very smooth :)

Jools'SV Now

13-08-07, 02:57 PM

There was the Suzuki RE5, which was a rotary - they come up every now and again on fleabay etc.

Mazda own all the patents for rotaries now - and they don't make bikes.

No rotaries in car racing either really because of the 'how to calculate the engine size' to compare to piston engines. I think x1.6 was the last calculation. So the 1.3 rx8 was competing against 2 llitre bmw/hondas in the recent Britcars series.

Rotaries in racing tends to go
1st season.....come nowhere
2nd season....get competitive
3rd season.... win everything
4th season..... banned/regulated out of competitiveness

Mazda won Le Mans 24hrs in 1991 with one and then guess what happened?......yep, banned.

The Nortons (haslam etc) in the british racing series of yesteryear were totally taking the p1ss. I appear to have 50 more horses than the rest of the field, coming through!

As for the ST/RX8/ civic type R/ scoobies/mitsi. People who bang on a bout the mpg are really missing the point. Drive 'em, enjoy 'em......and keep a diesel for the long dull trips.

Jelster

13-08-07, 03:05 PM

As for the ST/RX8/ civic type R/ scoobies/mitsi. People who bang on a bout the mpg are really missing the point. Drive 'em, enjoy 'em......and keep a diesel for the long dull trips.

Oh don't get me wrong, my ST may be thirsty but I enjoy every litre :D. I'd rather enjoy getting from A to B and it cost a bit more than getting bored out of my skull and it taking 20 minutes longer....