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AndyW
07-08-07, 10:11 PM
(long, but then I ramble a bit when I get started)

Just picked up a new SV650S from Clarkes in Accrington yesterday, left the dealership with it around 4 in the afternoon, so I've now owned it for a day and a half, and put about 50 miles on it. These are my first thoughts on it.

I have been riding a Honda CG125 for a year (minus a few months hospital), put 2500 miles on it commuting 32 round trip every day, passed my full license in July on a CBF600 and decided it was time for a bigger bike.
Originally looking at a Bandit 650 but can't get those with 0% finance now, so opted for the SV instead.

Optional extras I had stuck on the new bike, Givi topbox (95 rack + 45 box), crash mushrooms (39), seat cowl (41) (I took the no pillion opton on insurance).

First thing that struck me is as its fuel injected, no choke, and as I have now figured out, don't touch the throttle when starting it. For a low seat bike I still have to ****(male hen! damn censor proggies) my leg considerably higher than I did for my CG, and as I have just got out of hospital for a major stomach op, this wasn't as easy as it could have been. Riding posistion is considerably more compact, but blame that on the S model, which I only got as I wanted the fairing for weather protection, as I will be using the bike to commute to work every day on a 50 limit road.

Pootling back from accrington, I had no major problems with the bike, although despite everyone saying its very torquey low down, it sure doesn't feel that way to me (maybe because I drive a diesel car that does have lots of torque?). After 15 mins getting used to it the A road opened out into dual carrigeway, truck on inside stopped at traffic lights in 50 limit. Decided to go in outside lane and see if I could pull away happily (and safely!) with no problems. Pulled away at what I thought was a nice speed leaving truck behind me, and discovered I was doing 70 within 200 yards. Certainly didn't feel like it. The fairing works well, rode home with visor cracked about an inch, had to have it closed riding there on CG, wind streaming in and making my eyes water.
Stopped off at work in Preston to say hello and show off new bike, and instantly got caught in horrible traffic jam/roadworks. Not yet happy about trying to sneak past on outside when cars trying to ride over the cones, so sat in it for 15 mins until I could sneak to front at traffic lights and make a nice, clean getaway.
Got as far as Blackpool, and noticed petrol light started flashing at me when I was stopped at (yet more) lights, started off and it went off, then reappeared 10 mins later. WOndering what the hek going on as I couldn't have used a full tank of fuel driving 40 miles (ish). Light goes off again, decide to look at it later as I'm now knackered (no energy still after op). Get on the next day, check tank and low and behold, it is nearly empty. Phoned garage up, and yes, they hadn't bothered filling the tank up before giving it to me. Spent 3200 + 1300 part ex + 200 bits and pieces, and they don't fill it up with 10 worth of petrol.

Getting bike into garage at night proved fun. I lock the bike in the garage at night, and the car sits in the drive, sufficiently out of the way to get the bike in and out. Plenty of space to get the bike down the side. Stop it, get off put it on SIDE stand, discover it now leans over so much I can't get between it and the car to open the garage door. The CG had a CENTRE stand which left plenty of room. Oh well, eventually get mysef out open door and start to wheel bike. The CG had a handy grab rail on side of bike easy reach from handlebar to wheel bike with. The SV grab rail is at the back and is a long stretch for me ((5'10" btw) again, stomach op means I'm not happy stretching, and nowhere near full strength to hold it if it falls over). This proves to be awkward wheeling it in, and even more awkward wheeling it out backwards past the car next morning.

Got more used to riding position today with a bit of pootling to the shops, having the top box is so much handier for dumping helmet and gloves into, although maybe I should have gotten a bigger box as they only just fit in. Still I have the car for serious shopping. Discovered starting slowly, the wheel doesn't quite point where I think it is (can't see it due to fairing) which makes 90 degree turns out of narrow roads more fun than they should be, not helped by having to play with clutch in 1st to get a smooth start (on turns, not straight), not able to just let it go as I could on the 125.

Read the manual, the running in instructions are plain enough if a little weird seeming to me. Don't go above 5500 revs for first 500 miles. Hmm, ok, but engine isn't smooth pulling away at that and feels slightly jerky and unhappy, engine noise is saying don't change up yet, and generally seems way too low, but the engineers must know what they are doing I suppose. Found the guide in the manual which gives the speed you are supposed to change gears at. 1->2nd at 12mph 2nd->3rd at 19, 3rd to 4th at 25?????
One of the reasons I move to a bigger bike was the CBF600 is happy doing 30 in first from a standing start so no messing around changing gears while pulling away unlike the 125. I have to admit, this bit is being completely ignored, bike seems perfectly happy to go to 2nd at 25, and swap up as the engine pitch changes (or I get close to 5500 revs). Don't think I've actually made it into 6th gear (37 mph) yet, despite coming home at 50 from Accrington.

Dials on bike are clear and easy to read and see, seat is comfy enough, and once I get used to riding position and heal some more, and get past this ridiculous rev limit on run in, I think there will be no problems with it whatsoever.

the_lone_wolf
07-08-07, 10:27 PM
sounds like most of the things you mention are just about getting used to your new bike, although the gear change speeds in the manual are way off, i think they must be the minimum speeds at which you can change up. when running in just change up when you get to 5k rpm or thereabouts - i don't normally use anything above 4th gear for all legal speeds on single carriageway roads and that's just cruising - top gear doesn't arrive until well past the national speed limit - the most important thing when running in is not to let the engine labour at low rpms, try to stay in the lowest gear you can without ragging the engine and try to vary the speed

the jerky feeling when pulling away is likely to be transmission lash (i think that's the technical term) - it almost feels like the bike is bouncing forward and back on the chain? if so then just use a few more revs to pull away and work on your clutch technique, don't be afraid to slip it if you need to but you can get super smooth pulls with practice

as for buying a bike with no centre stand when you have to sit it in a narrow opening... poor obs;)

enjoy your bike, it smooths itself out after a few hundred miles and everything beds down:)

2mths
08-08-07, 06:32 AM
The "No low down torque" comment leaves me scratching my head. Had a ride on an IL4 the other day (not sports) and *shudders at recollection* really didn't like it. It was silky smooth (something I don't think I could ever acuse the SV of) but sounded like it was over revving (to my ears) from almost no revs.

I think time will tell. I'd echo the comment about no labouring the engine. That would be a bad thing to do. So yeah rev it all the way to 5500 to change (not on full throttle mind) and keep putting those miles on. The engine is sure to free up over time and it's characteristics to change a little.

The SVS doesn't have a great deal of steering lock so a turn in the road or sharp turn off a road is tricky. You get used to where it's going to end up after time though (invariably hitting the curb in my case) and I don't bother trying to do it with my feet up if it's tight.

In terms of the rev limit if I'm just pootling around I tend to change at about 6500 (rev counter needle verticle). All you need (at legal speeds).

Enjoy!

Keith1983
08-08-07, 07:21 AM
I've had my sv for just over 600 miles now and have had it from new, thats a bit harsh the dealers not filling it with petrol! I appreciate it's a matter of opinion but I'd certainly recommend the fairing lowers as an extra. I found that my engine has free'd up no end in the 600 miles I have done. I have stuck near enough to the recommended rev's in the manual for running in but you can feel what the engine is happy doing. I found the fairing less protective than on my curvy, but a db on the way soon should soon solve that hopefully! Anyway welcome to the org and hope you enjoy your SV.

Alpinestarhero
08-08-07, 07:44 AM
Welcome to the Topbox Club :D :D Is it not the greatest addition to your bike so far?

Dont worry about the engine feeling a little lack-lusture at the moment - as the bike runs in, everything will free up and it'll feel like it wants to go more and more up the rev range. The SV has plenty of torque, even on my restricted bike. Happy riding and hope you feel better with the discomfort from your operation soon

Matt

petevtwin650
08-08-07, 07:51 AM
Welcome to Org, and the joy of Sv ownership.

Most things will fall into place after a few more miles and you'll hopefully start to appreciate the 650's charm.

Have you tried pushing the bike using both handlebars and resting the bike against your hip? I prefer this method to the stretching back to the grab rail way. Although maybe after your op this isn't an option.

MiniMatt
08-08-07, 07:56 AM
Without wanting to sound like your dad or anything, if I can offer the teensiest bit of advice regarding:
"Discovered starting slowly, the wheel doesn't quite point where I think it is (can't see it due to fairing) which makes 90 degree turns out of narrow roads more fun than they should be"

Don't look at your front wheel to tell you where you're going, don't even look at the patch of tarmac in front of your wheel, look instead at where you want to go. It's a difficult habit to break but it makes the most amazing difference. I came back to riding after a three year break, and whilst on mid-high speed bends I was looking in the right places, it was the very slow bends where I was messing up and looking directly in front of me. You're right, for a "girls bike" the SV is quite tall, and you tend to sit "on" it as much as "in" it, and for very slow speeds the quick tip in is a bit wobbly at first but you do get used to it. Just remember to look where you want to go, not where you're going :D

Pedro68
08-08-07, 08:16 AM
Welcome to the forum and the joys of owning an SV :)

Re getting bike in/out of garage ...

Do you back the bike in? or do you push it in forward?

Either way, why not park the bike on the road (turn it off, and remove the keys for security purposes) and then open the garage and push the bike back in?

As for getting the bike out ... if you've backed it in, can you not just ride it out? (remembering to keep ya head down until you're well past the garage door - scraped my last lid doing that :oops:).

Re pushing the bike ... think it's just something you'll get used to once you are fully recovered from your op. I'm only 5'8" and weigh less than 12st and I have no problems moving the bike around using bar and grab-rail.

Like Minimatt says too, I don't want to sound like ya dad, but if you've just had a major stomach op, are you sure you should be riding? I had major bowel surgery 10 years ago now (sliced my stomach muscles to get to a part of my intestines), and I was under STRICT instructions not to DRIVE for 2 MONTHS following my op!

Anyway ... hope you are fully recovered soon and able to get out and enjoy the SV ;-)

Cheers,
Pete

MeridiaNx
08-08-07, 09:55 AM
Just a couple of points I thought you might find helpful:

1) Seeing as you've got problems following your op you could just cheat and paddle about while on the bike for parking etc. Would save the stretch on your muscles and sometimes it's helpful for getting the bike into a tight space that would trap you if you were wheeling it when you put the sidestand down.

2) The revs thing...the engine will free up, when you get used to it I don't think you will be able to complain about a lack of torque. And unless you're just not using enough revs then I agree that at very slow speeds (mainly 1st and 2nd gear stuff) the throttle response can be a little jerky. Mine is a K3 and I think that was the first year FI was introduced on the SV, it's a little twitchy. There is a certain point where it is either on/off. You soon learn to adjust, a little clutch slip and a quick powering through that area of the rev range and you'll find out how to get around it.

2mths
08-08-07, 10:09 AM
I agree that at very slow speeds (mainly 1st and 2nd gear stuff) the throttle response can be a little jerky. Mine is a K3 and I think that was the first year FI was introduced on the SV, it's a little twitchy. There is a certain point where it is either on/off.

At the risk of incurring the wrath of Mister Sid Squid but this sounds like the good old "Throttle Position Sensor" requires adjustment. There is a FAQ on how to do this on the main site and I'm sure lots of posts about it if you search too.

MeridiaNx
08-08-07, 10:44 AM
At the risk of incurring the wrath of Mister Sid Squid but this sounds like the good old "Throttle Position Sensor" requires adjustment. There is a FAQ on how to do this on the main site and I'm sure lots of posts about it if you search too.

Well, thanks for the heads up then I shall go check it out and see if it helps on mine!

gettin2dizzy
08-08-07, 03:21 PM
Throttle is as smooth as. don't get bogged down in comparison with your CG, this is a whole different thing!! As for no torque? use the twisty grip on the right! Make sure you do work the engine a bit. Varying the load, revs and gears is very important. Just get that service booked as soon as - In manchester I was quoted a 6 week wait!

AndyW
08-08-07, 08:09 PM
Thanks for being made to feel welcome!

Welcome to the forum and the joys of owning an SV :)

Either way, why not park the bike on the road (turn it off, and remove the keys for security purposes) and then open the garage and push the bike back in?


Thats what I've been doing today, and works much better, well paddling it anyway. Have to practice parking the car further into the rose bushes.


As for getting the bike out ... if you've backed it in, can you not just ride it out? (remembering to keep ya head down until you're well past the garage door - scraped my last lid doing that :oops:).
I go in forwards and push it out backwards. No idea why really, I just do. Whacked my helmet on garage door when I tried taking it off inside after parking up once.


Like Minimatt says too, I don't want to sound like ya dad, but if you've just had a major stomach op, are you sure you should be riding? I had major bowel surgery 10 years ago now (sliced my stomach muscles to get to a part of my intestines), and I was under STRICT instructions not to DRIVE for 2 MONTHS following my op!
Op was 6th July, and instructions they gave when I was released are drive (and ride) when you feel able. Driving the car pulls more on stomach than sitting on the bike does. Should be back at work in 2 weeks now anyway so muscle mostly healed, just the wound split open so having to be dressed every day.

Anyway ... hope you are fully recovered soon and able to get out and enjoy the SV ;-)
Went out for a nice spin today in the bright weather, put another 30+ miles on going through 50 limits in countryside (Blackpool, St. Michaels, Myerscough, and back down the A586). Lovely riding weather, few too many cars, but am getting used to the width and the fact I have enough speed/acceleration to overtake with no effort (unlike the CG where I needed a fair bit of room to build up speed).

I also added 2 more accessories onto the bike, a proper tax disc holder rather than the clip on and hope it doesn't fall off, and a clear tank protector as I end up resting my beer gut (operation swelling, honest) on it a bit.


Have you tried pushing the bike using both handlebars and resting the bike against your hip? I prefer this method to the stretching back to the grab rail way. Although maybe after your op this isn't an option.

Thats not something I'd have thought of have to give it a try.

Quiff Wichard
09-08-07, 08:18 PM
good write up-

welcome


i enjoyed reading that