Paperwork

[tomjones2]

I did something very silly on the roads a few days ago, but didnt get any paperwork. I got a proper b*llocking, which I fully deserved but I think the copper was in a big rush to get somewhere.

We're talking straight to court stuff here, has this happened to any of you and if so did you get paperwork by the side of the road or through the mail. I fully accept responsiblity for what I did it just the waiting thats get me now.

[fizzwheel]

it'll depend precisly on what the policeman said to you, if he cautioned you, then it I believe they have 6 months to send the paperwork through to you...

Probably not what you want to hear though...

have a look on http://www.pepipoo.com/ for more advice

[tomjones2]

I definatley wasn't cautioned, would this have to happen for the more serious offences? I cant tell from the website. I always thought that NIP's were only used for more minor offences such as a standard speeding offence. I think it might be time to get a solicitor on the case. He definatley said that I would be prosecuted though, I think this counts as a verbal NIP.

[arenalife]

They have to say something very explicit like "you may be prosecuted for this offence" and be cautioned (like the movies) I believe.

[toonyank]

Maybe I should touch wood here as I've never been sited here in this country. But in the US if you've done something other than a warning you at least have to sign something. In the US you are not signing as an admission of guilt but just to say you have been accused. If you didn't sign anything, how can they say you even met? Please let us know though and all the best!

[fizzwheel]

He definatley said that I would be prosecuted

OK I think if he's said that to you, then they have 6 months to get paperwork to you for what they are going to prosecute you for...

But I also thought you had to be cautioned at the same time.

I dont really know, personally I wouldnt worry about it till you have something in your hand offical like that tells you what and why you are being done for.

[gettin2dizzy]

bummer! :( what were you caught doing? (what did the officer accuse you of doing i should say ;))

[Captain Nemo]

im pretty sure you dont have to be cautioned, they give you what i think is termed a verbal notification of intent to prosecute, i didnt get any paperwork at all , a bit surreal really, i was on the isle of man, but they pretty much follow the same procedures as here ( it was a mainland uk copper that did me) my cop was pretty clear in setting out what was going to happen, dont know about yours, but getting no paperwork made it sort of feel a little like maybe it didnt happen, or id get off with it, but sure enough, 2 days before the 6mth deadline to lay papers, package drops on the mat with a court date.
no point stressing until you hear something, you may be really really lucky !!!

but if its as serious as you say, make sure you go to "pepipoo" and get some advice.

would you like to share what you did????

mine was 131mph in a 40...................

[Tiger 55]

They have to say something very explicit like "you may be prosecuted for this offence"
That's exactly what the cop said to me when I removed the engine of a VW Polo from it's moutings by applying a BMW K100RS to it at 60 mph in Putney.

That was 15 years ago and nothing heard so far... Either way you can't do anything about it and it's Rule #2 of life that you don't worry about outcomes you can't affect.

But don't be so silly next time :)

[tomjones2]

For obvious reasons i cant say to much this is a public forum and I havn't been to court, but there was talk of vehicle seziures at the scene for dangerous driving to give you an idea. Whatever happens the bike is going up for sale and i'm going to get a car agian. But I think he was following for a while, luckly all in a national speed limit. I was having a bad day and was looking where i was going, not the mirrors ( i sure many have done it before). There were no blind overtakes or anything but plenty or overtaking the speeds are not going to go well at all.

Trying not to worry, TBH i think the writing is on the wall on this one but hey my fault so can't really blame anyone else.

Nemo, what were you charged with in the end? What happened to your insurance.

For anyone else, if you ride quick think about it. Its a very bad feeling when you see the lights and know your in real trouble.

[gettin2dizzy]

That's when I'm glad I've got the Sv, do that on a fireblade and they'll even take your tv license away!

[Lozzo]

If you didn't sign anything, how can they say you even met?

Two words:

"Speed cameras"

[Ceri JC]

Sorry to hear about this Tom,

Well done for taking it on the chin so well. As others have said, no use worrying till you have something official. The buggers sent me mine 4 days before the 6 month deadline. :(

[Jelster]

Did they have it on video ? (a number of cars have video now - as I found out to my benefit earlier this week).

It's an interesting point, if they don't have you on video, and they don't have your signature anywhere, it does lay any potential conviction open to some pretty heavy "prove it was me" protests. I was once told to expect something in the post, but that was over 2 years ago.

Sometimes they want you to be on your guard. Think about it, if your record is pretty good, and you have no other NIP's in the next 6 months, you've got something pretty solid to base a plea of "it was one foolish incident". If you have 6 points already, and happen to get another before you go to court it won't look very healthy.

Even if they don't file the paperwork, you will be on your best behaviour for the next 6 months, which they may hope puts you "back on track"....

I wish you all the best, and hope you don't get that little brown envelope through the door...

[tomjones2]

The copper said he had me on ANPR which I assume means he also had a video in the car.

On the upside I have a very clean driving record, I have caused one minor accident in 6 years and that it no points nothing. Currently got 4ncb on both bikes and cars

Like I said earlier the bike is going to be traded for a very slow car.

[the white rabbit]

when I removed the engine of a VW Polo from it's moutings by applying a BMW K100RS to it

Somewhat of a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Couldnt you have used a spanner?

[Captain Nemo]

when i was done i was given a verbal notification of intended prosecution, thats just how he worded it, and told that i would be summoned to appear in due course, i got a £380 and 3 points, but theyre Isle of Man points, so they dont count when you get back.

i was really really lucky..........deffinately learned a lesson.....mainly that i can t afford to go that fast, and had 6 months to reflect on the possibilities of losing my licence, i didnt get reported for dangerous riding, the cops said that if the conditions hadnt been so good, or id passed another vehicle at that speed that i would deffinately been looking at a ban, and poss immediate court an imprisonment on the IOM, not sure if that was to 5hit me up though, , but it did............thought my legs were gonna go when he showed me the speed gun and told me that the speed limit was 40 and not unlimited as i believed, , the world felt like i was gonna fall of it.

good luck bud, try not to worry till / if you get the letter, i doubt theyll leave it so long if your in doo doo so you may not have to worry if you dont get summat reasonably quick, , then if worst comes to worst get a good solicitor, what they say you did and what they can prove may be 2 separate issued

[gettin2dizzy]

How fast were you going nemo?
Maybe worth keeping the bike for a while before you rush in to selling it. You may have learnt enough of a lesson here!

[Jelster]

The copper said he had me on ANPR which I assume means he also had a video in the car.

Not necessarily... ANPR cameras look at moving images but don't always record it, just the actual reg number.

There was somebody on here that waited for 6 months and heard nothing, I remember him posting but can't remember who it was....

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[tomjones2]

Not necessarily... ANPR cameras look at moving images but don't always record it, just the actual reg number.

There was somebody on here that waited for 6 months and heard nothing, I remember him posting but can't remember who it was....

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The car was an unmarked but still a quick one, not a full on patrol car as I would know it. If there is a video and this goes to court its game over. The policeman was very angry, I would be very suprised if he didn't "file" it. My thinking is that if this is going down the custodial route I would have been arrested at the scene, or they would have come round to me house quickly. Well if he trying to scare me its certainly worked.

TBH i'm dreaming if I think i'm going to get away with this. I am expecting a 12 month ban and some horrendous insurance costs afterwards, wouldn't be surpised if I have to retake my test(s) as well. I dont know if it been done before but maybe surrending by bike entitlement might help things as well. I will wait for court to suggest this though.