View Full Version : tl000s v tl1000r v sv1000s
kwak zzr
10-08-07, 04:39 PM
anyone know top speeds? bhp's?
the reason i ask is i came back from the stomy petel last night with a few mates one with a tls and one with a tlr, on the straights both bikes seemed to have more speed than me but in the twistys the sv1000s seemed better handling altho the guy on the tls was throwing it around just as hard. the tls seemed to handle better than the tlr? this was prob the rider.
More speed... you would have been clocking a little over 150?
fizzwheel
10-08-07, 09:54 PM
Both TL's have more BHP than you have...
dizzyblonde
10-08-07, 10:09 PM
The TL's are twitch monsters. You could have a million conversations about them. Im indoors wanted one but decided to get a Raptor. TL engine and the italians apparently ironed out all the bad points.(and put in a whole load of others instead) Maybe your mates prefered to not throw themselves off in corners!!! although our mechanic mate says the Sv1000 is more smooth and a lot more superior to all three of the above.
SV1000S smoother probably cos its injected rather than carbs???
SV1000 engine detuned, with different Cam profiles and timing than TL's too.
Cant remember the numbers but im sure the SV is about 15 BHP down.
Lots of history abt TL;s and handling...
markmoto
10-08-07, 10:32 PM
SV1000S smoother probably cos its injected rather than carbs???
SV1000 engine detuned, with different Cam profiles and timing than TL's too.
Cant remember the numbers but im sure the SV is about 15 BHP down.
Lots of history abt TL;s and handling...
and whats 15bhp between friends when your talkin 1000cc twins.
and its not top speed that counts, its how u get there!! lol
(and have u seen that ugly rear shock..yuk)
kwak zzr
10-08-07, 11:06 PM
the guy in question with the tls says he wouldnt swap it for any modern sports bike he had it now for 8 years and still loves it to bits, his tl is FI not carbs.
kwak zzr
10-08-07, 11:07 PM
Both TL's have more BHP than you have...
but the top speed is ment to be higher on the sv.
markmoto
10-08-07, 11:15 PM
but the top speed is ment to be higher on the sv.
All tls tlrs were fuel injected they never made a carbed one to my knowlege, they recon the main problem with tls was that riders didnt know how to ride them any torque monster vtwin is going to shake its head if your heavy handed enough, couple that with a badly designed rear shock that doesnt work very well and a steepish head angle and in the wrong hands its going to be a handfull :D
kwak zzr
10-08-07, 11:20 PM
my mate says the tls has a 40bhp power hike at about 7k and if your not upright when i comes in your in trouble, he has the first model. the newer models were re mapped to try and calm them down.
All tls tlrs were fuel injected they never made a carbed one to my knowlege
True, all TL engines were FI.
The TLR was always my dream bike, based on looks, noise and reputation alone as I never rode one.
I then got one, and was initially disappointed, however I have owned it 2 years now and am totally in love with it. It has its bad points, as many TLR owners will agree, but there is just something about it that makes it FUN to ride, and that is what it is all about.
I would love to ride some modern tackle to compare, I have ridden a 99 Blade and was disappointed in comparison.
my raptor has tl engine and is supposed to be much more respectable as cagiva have done something to make it less of a hooligan. still likes to get its head up and doesnt like the wibbly wobbly road. shakes its head when wheels come off the road. its all about getting used to it i suppose
My old man used to have the SL1000R, it was a beast. Twin carbon Art cans on it, it shock the world :lol: Rear tyre was useless after 900 miles, never redlined the bike either.
The R was quicker than the fairing'd S model. Also was more of an animal than the refined S.
The R was quicker than the fairing'd S model. Also was more of an animal than the refined S.
First time I have heard of any TL being described as "refined" :-)
fat_brstd
11-08-07, 09:24 PM
there where a lot of problems with the first gen of tl's The factory dampner recall is the most famous but the 3 recalls for new ecu's and the frame recall due to the cracking around the headstock are equally worrying, still didnt stop me getting a 97 tls and it had to be a 97 cause they did try to drop power on the later ones to make them less silly and only a 97 can be trully called a widowmaker
As for power compaired to an sv1000 im sure you have had your bike on a dyno quak so you know how much its putting out. Just guessing but has your bike got bolt on end cans with no baffles (delta +'s i think you said you had), probably either a K&N or a BMC air filter and as you have dropped the baffles most likely a yoshi box remap. Thats exactly the same power influencing mods that my 97 tls has and i know that my bike puts down 127.7 bhp at the rear wheel on a FUCHS BEI251 (thats what it says at the bottom of the print out) at 8516rpm. Im not sure about touque but i think if im reading this graph correctly its got 11.2 kgm at 7038rpm but i might be wrong. be interesting to hear how that compairs to whatever your sv1000 does on a dyno.
Between 6k and 8.5K rpm my engine jumps from just under 80bhp to 127bhp so that 40 bhp jump you were talking about is about right. The steepest change in bhp figures is between 6k and 7k from 80bhp to about 110bhp
as for top speed ive had mine to an indicated 165 and bottled it. Not sure how much more it had left to go i wouldnt have thought much more the acceleration had started to slow and i was quickly running out of road (and im 16stone+ in kit so that might have been a factor and im too big to tuck in really well and dont have a double bubble so i still get quite a bit of wind blast). I have no idea if the speedo has been adjusted to be more accurate at high speeds as it is a different speedo to the one the bike came with as mine is a german import but now has a mph speedo.
hope this helps
wheelnut
11-08-07, 11:32 PM
The SV is certainly down on power on the TL S or R but later models 2005 on were improved slightly. However it is all acedemic as the litre V twin would be described by Rolls Royce as adequate:D
A good friend of mine who has a pair of TLs, one of each swears by them and I have heard from many people that the Rotary damper was less of a problem for a lard ****.
It was 8 stone weaklings that it used to rebel against and throw them over hedges
kwak zzr
12-08-07, 07:11 AM
my sv1000 kicks and buck's from the rear whilst in 3 figures on bends? i put that down to my weight of just under 11 stone?
toonyank
12-08-07, 08:33 AM
SV1000S smoother probably cos its injected rather than carbs???
SV1000 engine detuned, with different Cam profiles and timing than TL's too.
Cant remember the numbers but im sure the SV is about 15 BHP down.
Lots of history abt TL;s and handling...
All TL's are injected.
Wonder how much work it would be to tune the SV1000 engine to get similar power results from the old TL engines.
HAs anyone really tuned the SV1000 lumps?
Wonder how much work it would be to tune the SV1000 engine to get similar power results from the old TL engines.
HAs anyone really tuned the SV1000 lumps?
There is a super powerfull SV1000 around, quite good, over 140bhp i think, it has had everything done to it.
TLS is more of a beast than the TLR, instant grunt to go and handles better than the TLR though the bends. I road a freinds TLR and when i got back i gave the keys back in disgust, ive ridden 3 TLS and all are a hoot, today i took the one i have just completed a rebuild and another freinds TLS and i was grinning side to side when i was wheeling them both outside the Ace, very very very easy.
:)
John Burt
13-08-07, 09:16 AM
I believe that jhs did a cam swap and full system on an SV1000 and gained around 20bhp wouldn't this put in the TL patch??
Old teck at chelmsford had one.(TLS)
He striped and re jiged the radial damper.
It had the frame mod were they broke at the shock, but his broke even though this was done.
The TLS was the top bannana when it came to V twinshttp://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/rsvdyno.htm
The SV1000 sz ltd ed had allot of the old pep that the TL had + a flash paint job.
dizzyblonde
14-02-12, 05:55 PM
HOLY RESURRECTION BATMAN!!!
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnVZpALOfthTaEu70cHNAceed7n1PM8 KaWPYNmrNr9i9Jp8z8H5JpCx2Zhzg
I'd have a Raptor 1000 over the lot of them...... :smt016
What the hell is it with all these TL SV 1000 threads this week!
yorkie_chris
14-02-12, 06:06 PM
Maybe the "similar threads" bit at the bottom...
I still would love a TLS. Somebody at suzuki knew how to design front headlights for that "wouldn't like to meet in a dark alley" look.
http://image.sportrider.com/f/8884515+w750+st0/146_9910_01zoom+1999_suzuki_tl1000s+front_rider.jp g
Oh and a
http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/GSX-R/GSX-R1100/1991_GSX-R1100_pair_450.jpg
2 of very few bikes I would actually keep the fairing on :)
Interesting to read about the rear damper above, I hear about people modifying them by changing the pistons, giving you choice of hundreds of designs since they're helpfully the same size as fork pistons... since unlike a normal damper the pistons keep still and the vanes push oil through them.
Erm just Thinking about getting a 1000 V
dizzyblonde
14-02-12, 09:02 PM
You talking to me or Chris?
If you're talking to me.......they're the biking worlds best kept secret ;)
yorkie_chris
15-02-12, 08:15 AM
TL1000SV? Do it...
SUPERSTARDJ01
15-02-12, 09:29 AM
Suzuki TL1000S (1997-2001)N/A
996cc, 125bhp, 165mph, Insurance group 15
Suzuki TL1000R (1998-2004)N/A
996cc, 135bhp, 165mph, Insurance group 16
Suzuki SV1000 (2003-current)£6,049
996cc, 118bhp, 155mph, Insurance group 15
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140695722585?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Sorted one
dizzyblonde
15-02-12, 12:55 PM
Nice :) But whats with the blue wheels?
What wrong with them?
All the RSV factory's have blue OZ wheels.
dizzyblonde
15-02-12, 01:27 PM
Not all.....never seen the gold ones?
I just thought it was odd to have blue wheels.
maviczap
15-02-12, 02:04 PM
Looks like a properly sorted TL, maxton suspension to get rid of the horrible OEM rear shock which was the cause of most of the TL's handling problems
Cymraeg_Atodeg
15-02-12, 02:56 PM
Suzuki TL1000S (1997-2001)N/A
996cc, 125bhp, 165mph, Insurance group 15
Suzuki TL1000R (1998-2004)N/A
996cc, 135bhp, 165mph, Insurance group 16
Suzuki SV1000 (2003-current)£6,049
996cc, 118bhp, 155mph, Insurance group 15
Crap! A standard SV kicks out 118bhp!? Is that crank or wheel?
I have got straight through cans and a K&N air filter on mine and I thought it only kicked out about 110bhp at the wheel...
Well.with all.the engine mods that TLS is running 112 bhp....
maviczap
15-02-12, 05:38 PM
Suzuki TL1000S (1997-2001)N/A
996cc, 125bhp, 165mph, Insurance group 15
Suzuki TL1000R (1998-2004)N/A
996cc, 135bhp, 165mph, Insurance group 16
Suzuki SV1000 (2003-current)£6,049
996cc, 118bhp, 155mph, Insurance group 15
There was a lot of of hype by Suzuki to match the HP of the Ducati 916 that was winning race after race, some of the early ones were said to make 125 bhp, but in reality none did, not even the R models.
Well.with all.the engine mods that TLS is running 112 bhp....
Aye about right
Black frame SV1000’s ( not just the SZ ) have more power and better throttle response than silver frames ones. This came from Larger throttle bodies, higher compression ratio, different map, Different cam timing, lighter flywheel and I think there was some difference on the intake also.
Ratty
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