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Just mentioned it on bbc five live...had a gander at the webby...
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M-way closed following shooting
A motorway is closed in both directions after a shooting. A West Midlands Ambulance spokesman confirmed that someone had been shot on the M40 in Warwickshire. No other details are available.
The motorway is closed southbound between junction 14, Warwick, and 12, Gaydon, and northbound between 12 and 13, Bishops Tachbrook.
Warwickshire police have said the motorway is expected to be closed for between five and six hours.
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Biker was pronounced dead at the scene with gunshot wounds :( What on earth is happening to this country :(:(:(:(
arenalife
12-08-07, 04:10 PM
Terrible! I was shot at in my convertible last month, I saw them aiming a rifle from the side of the road and thought "****! I hope they're just showing off" then ZIIIIING, pellet went past me (airgun). I was shaking too much to dial cops (as well as trying to get away!).
I always get nervous when I see groups on bridges and change lane so as not to pass underneath.
RIP dude.
barmy.biker
12-08-07, 04:21 PM
absolutly shocking
RIP mate
svdemon
12-08-07, 04:29 PM
The problem with this country is that scum who carrry out crimes like this get 5 years in jail watching sky tv and working out, its no surprise that they aren't put off.
F***ing scumbags.
Pedrosa
12-08-07, 04:31 PM
I would wait before throwing away your condolences on a victim who might not actually be at all anything like your "pigeon hole" type biker. For now the person was travelling on a motorcycle, that is all we know. My point being, is that dont imagine immediately that he is a "brother" or in fact a totally inocent victim of crime.
There have been many ride by shootings carried out by people on motorcycles, do you now also throw the embracing "fellow biker" arm around those people?
Pot shot from kids on a bridge? Very,very much doubt that theory. Though one never knows.
Pinpointed by an expert sniper from a distance? Hmmmm.
Specifically chased,being known to the shooter previously? I wonder?
A case of road rage gone insane? The enraged motorsist,(who just happens to have a fire arm in his vehicle) goes literally gunning for the motorcyclist?:confused:
A case of road rage gone insane? The enraged motorsist,(who just happens to have a fire arm in his vehicle) goes literally gunning for the motorcyclist?:confused:
Lets just say a man with a fair idea mentioned on another forum the area is near where the Bulldog Bash is happening and that he wouldnt be surprised if its not a specific MCC related thing.
I see hes deleted his post on there now. But I think thats more to do with the thread ending up a 20 page slanging match :rolleyes: But Im holding fire on any prejudgements for the time being I think...
Pedrosa
12-08-07, 04:52 PM
Ooooh...I say Lyn that has spiced things up a touch.Nice work from our roving reporter.;)
I just rode up the M40 and hit that traffic jam at the Warwick services. Detoured round it, but when I finally got on the North side I could see the South side was shut and nobody was behind the few stragglers that made it out of the services and were heading North.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/6943213.stm
WTF!!
Not the first time either. See here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/1490294.stm)
Crikey. Just heard this on the news!!!
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Lets just say a man with a fair idea mentioned on another forum the area is near where the Bulldog Bash is happening and that he wouldnt be surprised if its not a specific MCC related thing.
Lynn's probably right. This isn't very far from me at all: the Bulldog's been on this weekend, there has been a noticeable increase (and difference in style) in bike traffic on the local roads. Sad to say, the more extreme MC groups do have a bad rep and this event seems to be a magnet for some of the less desireable two-wheelers. Shame really, as a lot of 'em are decent enough folk. Another example of the down side of extremism?
hoodlum
12-08-07, 06:45 PM
forgive me my incredible naievety - what (or who) are the MCC?
chazzyb
12-08-07, 07:04 PM
forgive me my incredible naievety - what (or who) are the MCC?
Marylebone Cric... Oh! :silent:
forgive me my incredible naievety - what (or who) are the MCC?
MCC stands for MotorCycle Club. These groups are pretty much like your local bike club. MCCs vary from very organised outfits to loose groups of friends. Generally they are groups of good natured individuals out to have a good time enjoying the biker lifestyle - social meets, rideouts, rallies, that sort of thing. Members of these groups tend to wear small badges on their jackets, leading to the term "sidepatch" club
There are also other, more committed, groups of bikers, usually using the title MC (short for Motorcyle Club?) I would suggest that Hells Angels MC is the most well known. I believe that these groups are very well organised with codes of conduct, organisational hierachy, behavioual rules etc. This is more akin to a lifestyle choice and these groups wear large patches on the backs of their jackets, hence they are also known as "backpatch" clubs.
In the past it has been suspected and alleged that MCs (or at least parts of them) have links with the criminal underworld and run their organisations ruthlessly. I don't know whether this is truth or folklore, but it's that sort of thought that leads to the suspicion put forward by Lynn.
In the past it has been suspected and alleged that MCs (or at least parts of them) have links with the criminal underworld and run their organisations ruthlessly. I don't know whether this is truth or folklore, but it's that sort of thought that leads to the suspicion put forward by Lynn.
Interesting. As a club I would say the MC is not itself tied to the activities that law enforcement agencies believe they pursue.
However, it is not folklore that law enforcement believe a minority of members of these clubs to be engaged in such activities. Drugs and smuggling them in [my depts remit to stop] is predominantly the area these members are alleged and suspected to be involved in. It would be of no surprise in all honesty if this turns out to be a drugs related incident at the end of the day.
In fact, Id rather that than the worrying concept of some road rage nutter randomly shooting bikers tbh. :(
Update:
"Road rage is not a line of inquiry. We are treating this as murder," said a police spokesperson."
"Motorbike gang links are a "strong line of inquiry", said a police spokesperson."
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/6943213.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/6943213.stm)
As soon as I heard about this about 6pm, saw where it was I thought "Bulldog Bash". My second thought was "Chapter war". Could likely be biker vs biker.
I was heading down that there motorway from that there place at around that there time, i'm considering myself lucky to have missed it by a whisker or two!
Such a dreadful end to what was a brilliant weekend at the Bash
RIP
One article claims the man had nothing on his feet... more to this than meets the eye.
Interesting. As a club I would say the MC is not itself tied to the activities that law enforcement agencies believe they pursue.
Glad to hear it. In my time I've come across HA, Outlaws, Satans Slaves and others, and never really had issues. It's a shame bad apples affect everyone.
However, it is not folklore that law enforcement believe a minority of members of these clubs to be engaged in such activities. Drugs and smuggling them in [my depts remit to stop] is predominantly the area these members are alleged and suspected to be involved in. It would be of no surprise in all honesty if this turns out to be a drugs related incident at the end of the day.
I am now realising that you must be customs & excise or other law enforcement. You have my full support in purging society of such crims, and therefore I'm pretty sure you know more than I do. I just wanted to try to give more than the straightforward three word answer to the question. Education etc. It seems fewer and fewer riders these days are aware of the MCC/MC culture & heritage (for good or bad), which personally I think is a shame because it's near the traditional heart of modern biking. I hope I wasn't too far off mark and misleading?
In fact, Id rather that than the worrying concept of some road rage nutter randomly shooting bikers tbh. :(
Yep, with you on that.
tomjones2
12-08-07, 10:24 PM
All sounds a bit GTA to me. Obviously very bad that someone died, quite scary that its happened near to my house as well.
This may sound naive but I really though this sort of stuff didn't happen in england, especially on the M40 on sunday afternoon. I cant belive who ever has done this is going to get away with it, they must have been videoed for miles.
Glad to hear it. In my time I've come across HA, Outlaws, Satans Slaves and others, and never really had issues. It's a shame bad apples affect everyone.[/quote
Ditto. My local biker pub is an Outlaws pub. Nice guys. Not ones I would intentionally ever upset mind you but the ones Ive met have been ok ;) :)
[quote]I am now realising that you must be customs & excise or other law enforcement. You have my full support in purging society of such crims, and therefore I'm pretty sure you know more than I do. I just wanted to try to give more than the straightforward three word answer to the question. Education etc. It seems fewer and fewer riders these days are aware of the MCC/MC culture & heritage (for good or bad), which personally I think is a shame because it's near the traditional heart of modern biking. I hope I wasn't too far off mark and misleading?
Customs for 13 years. With a 2 year secondment in the National Crime Squad [which is now Serious & Organised Crime Agency]. Ive been trained by FBI agents who recalled raids on HA chapter houses - and where the PCs had explosives inside them. The moment the door was kicked in they triggered the explosives to destroy the hard disks and prevent evidence recovery.
The criminal element is not a myth, its just unfortunately the history of the Angels has been tainted by the few that do end up doing a lot of bad crap.
Ever read Bargers autobiography? Its an interesting read. I love the fact he bemoans the fact the Angels are tied into the Harley image cos he said theyre crap in comparison to jap bikes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
scorpion
13-08-07, 07:47 AM
Scary stuff, I hope they get to the bottom of it. :eek:
One article claims the man had nothing on his feet... more to this than meets the eye.
Definitely more than meets the eye - has anyone here ever riden their bikes barefoot?
I would have to be in a serious hurry to be on my bike barefoot........
Ever read Bargers autobiography?
Sonny Barger? Nope, but it's on the list.......
Read a great article in one of the bike mags a couple of years ago - they sent a couple of reporters to interview him :lol:
scorpion
13-08-07, 08:12 AM
Definitely more than meets the eye - has anyone here ever riden their bikes barefoot?
I would have to be in a serious hurry to be on my bike barefoot........
Maybe His shoes came off when he fell off the bike, that's possible!
Jabba, Sonny Bargers autobiography is a good read. Very enlightening :)
A definite recommended read from me when you work your way down your list to it :lol: ;)
If you want to read about biker gangs, might I suggest.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Rn9j%2Beo7L._SS500_.jpg
It's here on Amazon. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Angels-Death-Inside-Bikers-Global/dp/034089833X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/026-3172002-4367628?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186995579&sr=8-1)
Pedrosa
14-08-07, 09:16 PM
The victim and his 2 riding pals were trailed along an A road and then on to the M40 by a car which was parked "waiting" in a lay by. The victim,(Canadian by birth) was shot in the head with the single bullet entering just below his crash helmet.
Despite him being unknown to Police, there really is a tale behind all of this for sure.
Be he an official Angel or one of the clone type alternatives,(down here we have The Nomads) he does not necesarilly represent a fair target. It is the smallest minority of even the Angels that are real naughty boys and girls.
From my recent visit to the HOG RALLY last month in Fuengirola I can safely suggest that in general the HD peeps, no matter how they dress are a damn fine and nice bunch of people.:cool:
i think he was an official angel in London?
or have i made that up?
but they put on a bloody good show like the bash, and i never witnessed anything there, it was nothing but brilliant!
i think he was an official angel in London?
or have i made that up?
but they put on a bloody good show like the bash, and i never witnessed anything there, it was nothing but brilliant!
No it has been confirmed he was an HA
Pedrosa
15-08-07, 09:32 AM
At least everyone now has a damn good reason for getting past Harley riders as quick as possible,hey?:rolleyes:
DanAbnormal
15-08-07, 11:24 AM
Scary, think I'll wear body armour now. Oh, I already do.
Pedrosa
15-08-07, 01:39 PM
Scary, think I'll wear body armour now. Oh, I already do.
Your body armour or helmet would not have helped at all in this instance.
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Ever read Bargers autobiography? Its an interesting read. I love the fact he bemoans the fact the Angels are tied into the Harley image cos he said theyre crap in comparison to jap bikes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
seems that the guy who was shot was a HA and was riding a Harley and worked for Warr's
Blue_SV650S
15-08-07, 08:08 PM
I would wait before throwing away your condolences on a victim who might not actually be at all anything like your "pigeon hole" type biker. For now the person was travelling on a motorcycle, that is all we know. My point being, is that dont imagine immediately that he is a "brother" or in fact a totally inocent victim of crime.
There have been many ride by shootings carried out by people on motorcycles, do you now also throw the embracing "fellow biker" arm around those people?
Pot shot from kids on a bridge? Very,very much doubt that theory. Though one never knows.
Pinpointed by an expert sniper from a distance? Hmmmm.
Specifically chased,being known to the shooter previously? I wonder?
A case of road rage gone insane? The enraged motorsist,(who just happens to have a fire arm in his vehicle) goes literally gunning for the motorcyclist?:confused:
Pedrosa, you have just put down exactly my take on the matter* and saved me the bother ... well done that man!! :D
*Or any 'tragic death' news story with little background circumstance/info that we here and people knee-jerk response to for that matter ;)
true, but then does any man deserve to be shot in the head? despite previous actions they have done in their life?
i think there probably was a reason behind it, but the blokes still got a family
don't see any problem with people throwing away a condolence
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