Are Pirelli Supercorsa Pro's Track only?

[svscratcha]

Hi again , Are the supercorsa pro's in soft compound front, medium back, suitable for road use or are they for the track only and why?:confused:
Does anbody rate these tyres for the Sv?

Ta much

[northwind]

They're road legal I believe... But tbh very, very few people will use them to their limits on the road, most people with super sticky tyres are just wasting money... In fact, with the quality of modern sport touring tyres most people with "fast road" tyres like a Corsa are probably wasting money too. Race takeoffs would be the exception though.

Plus, the very sticky tyres tend to be more sensitive to temperature, and less good in the rain... I have to take the first 2 roundabouts on my commute way slower when I've got my mate's Bandit (he uses Rennsports) than I do on the SV on Roadtecs, because they're so much better from cold. Fair play though, the Rennsports are an older tyre.

[svscratcha]

cheers buddy!

[chunkytfg]

They're road legal I believe... But tbh very, very few people will use them to their limits on the road, most people with super sticky tyres are just wasting money... In fact, with the quality of modern sport touring tyres most people with "fast road" tyres like a Corsa are probably wasting money too. Race takeoffs would be the exception though.

Plus, the very sticky tyres tend to be more sensitive to temperature, and less good in the rain... I have to take the first 2 roundabouts on my commute way slower when I've got my mate's Bandit (he uses Rennsports) than I do on the SV on Roadtecs, because they're so much better from cold. Fair play though, the Rennsports are an older tyre.


Still being made i believe

Other than that though i agree with northwind. I use them as race tyres and for that they are great but once they have cooled down they are lethal. I'd hate to try and run them on the road.

[NedSVS]

I've been using Supercorsas (in SC1 front & SC2 rear) for three summers now (always change to a more suitable tyre for the winter). You have to work them hard to get them warm and "make" the grip, so they are rubbish for commuting, wet & cold weather. Infact, so much so, I'm thinking of dropping them for anything other than track days! Had a frightening slide coming down the Cat & Fiddle a few weeks back on them: it was weekend so fearing the usual police presence stuck more or less to the speed limit but was cornering quite hard (but no heroics) when I had a slide on a right hand bend. I beleive I simply wasn't working the tyre hard enough to get it warm. On the grounds of cost, if you buy at the right price (I'm averaging a little over £50 per pair inc' P&P off Ebay) and fit them yourself then they work out really cheap. Ironically they dont have a much shorter life than BT014's!. But the BT014 does have a pretty poor life to begin with!

[svscratcha]

cheers bud, but I think its too late I'm the highest bidder and I was only looking for a sticky commuter come w/end scratcher tyre for much cheapness, oops!
Oh well , I can always stick them back on e-bay or does anybody whant a set of track tyres? 1 careful, granny owner...........

[DoodleBug]

How much you after?

[weazelz]

using the SC track-compound Supercorsa's on the road sounds pretty scary. they must cold-tear like crazy & the compound must be rock hard after only a very short period of 'normal' riding, given the number of thermal cycles it must have to go through. not that you'd ever get them hot enough to work properly on the road anyway :-(

[Pedrosa]

Pirelli Diablo Corsa's will offer as much grip as any mere mortal could possibly use. Dont be a victim of slick marketing.;)

[Stu]

Pirelli Diablo Corsa's will offer as much grip as any mere mortal could possibly use. Dont be a victim of slick marketing.;)
I think that's a bit unfair in the context.
The guy's looking for cheap secondhand tyres, not paying retail because he's succumbed to slick marketing.
That aside, fully agree.

[weazelz]

Pirelli Diablo Corsa's will offer as much grip as any mere mortal could possibly use. Dont be a victim of slick marketing.;)

Pirelli Diablo Strada's will offer as much grip as any mere mortal could possibly use. Dont be a victim of slick marketing.;) ;)

[SV650Racer]

Trouble is you cant get Corsas in a 160!!.

Supercorsa pro's. Suit the SV650 very well. BUT they arent a road tyre...well the race compound ones which you see being sold part worn arent. If you consider yourself experienced and understand they need to get heat into them for them to work properly then you will be ok. If your slap happy with the throttle and dont understand warming up tyres then dont use them!.

I rode on them all winter during my commute and had no issues. They actually wore very well even on an R1. BUT i know of people low siding on them due to riding too quickly in the cold, not allowing them to heat up properly.

If you can afford new then Diablo's everytime..if not then Supercorsas part worn can be the way to go.

[thor]

My experience of using michelin race 2 mediums on the road was that they don't work when cold, and they don't heat up easy.

Fine in the dry summer - **** otherwise.

[lawson17]

What about the 'Street' supercorsa's? Are they any better for road use? Or is it a marketing thing?

[weazelz]

What about the 'Street' supercorsa's? Are they any better for road use? Or is it a marketing thing?

the "special compound" supercorsa's are pretty much treaded slicks for track/race use with warmers

road compound *are* better for road use, they'll last a fair bit longer & warm up quicker, but I still wouldn't fancy my chances commuting on them on a wet february morning :-(

[Pedrosa]

Pirelli Diablo Strada's will offer as much grip as any mere mortal could possibly use. Dont be a victim of slick marketing.;) ;)

:D:D:D:D

In my defence I just could not have been seen to be using strada's on the 749. It just wouldnt do!;):p

[lawson17]

Am I right in saying that the 1098 and the Triumph 675 have them fitted as standard? 'Street' compound I suppose?

Every time i've seen a 1098 they have had supercorsas on, and I saw a 675 unregistered, in the local dealers with them on too. :smt045

[weazelz]

Am I right in saying that the 1098 and the Triumph 675 have them fitted as standard? 'Street' compound I suppose?
yes

[svscratcha]

Hi guys well I was outbid in the end any ways( maybe just as well eh?) and I am now bidding on a set of Dunlops D207 /208's. Any info on these. I had sportsmax before and was really impressed, are these similar?

[Ter]

Seems to be a common theme here, But

All my road bikes have had track abused sticky tyres on my bikes for the last couple of years and swear by them!!
I guess it does depend how you ride, I've got no problem with them in the wet either - having a slide is all a part of the fun!!

I found though that I can do wheelies and stoppies a lot easier than with road tyres - stoppies in the rain on stickys...

I guess it also comes down to how much trust you put in your tyres, you could have the best tyres in the world but if you don't trust them - your not going to ride as well/hard/smooth/etc

Never had a slide on my Supercorsas (and they do make a 160 rear...) in the dry.

Shame you lost out on them really,

had the Dunlop 207's too - first tyre I had on the SV - great grip. Helped me get my knee down for the first time too!

All the best whatever you choose!

;)

[northwind]

Supercorsa and Supercorsa pro are pretty different too, especially the soft compound Pros...

[TheMickster]

I've been using Metzeler racetecs medium front and rear on my zx-7r and had no probs no slides just pure grip. I get them cheap from a mate who races superstock, I wouldn't buy brand new ones as to be fair normal tyres are just as good on the road and better in the wet, the racetecs are surprisingly good in the wet but that probably because I was expecting them to be realy bad. I mainly use the bike for fast road blasts though, but the times i've commuted to work they have been fine. think the racetecs are the same compounds as supercorsa pros just with a different tread pattern. You have to drop the pressures from standard though otherwise they will never get hot enough. Don't last very long if you really hammer it about everywhere.

[Berlin]

Quote:
"Other than that though i agree with northwind. I use them as race tyres and for that they are great but once they have cooled down they are lethal. I'd hate to try and run them on the road."

Quote:
"I've been using Supercorsas (in SC1 front & SC2 rear) for three summers now (always change to a more suitable tyre for the winter). You have to work them hard to get them warm and "make" the grip, so they are rubbish for commuting, wet & cold weather. Infact, so much so, I'm thinking of dropping them for anything other than track days! Had a frightening slide coming down the Cat & Fiddle a few weeks back on them: it was weekend so fearing the usual police presence stuck more or less to the speed limit but was cornering quite hard (but no heroics) when I had a slide on a right hand bend. I beleive I simply wasn't working the tyre hard enough to get it warm. On the grounds of cost, if you buy at the right price (I'm averaging a little over £50 per pair inc' P&P off Ebay) and fit them yourself then they work out really cheap. Ironically they dont have a much shorter life than BT014's!. But the BT014 does have a pretty poor life to begin with!"


Are we seriously suggesting here that the Supercorsa Pros are *less* sticky when cold that a Metzeler Z6 or MeZ4 is when its cold? Or even when they are warm?

I'm struggling to see how a race compound tyre can have less grip than a road tyre when they are both cold. To the Gent above who had the slide, would you have had the same slide if you were using Mez4's or D220's?

The first quote above should maybe read "...When they have cooled down they are lethal... on the track, if you go full on with them".

The impression given above is that these tyres are like riding on ice when cold. What about the bikes that have these tyres fitted as standard OE equipment?

Given the fact that these tyres are SO much stickier when hot, I'd like to find out why they are SO much slippier than say a D220 or a MEz4 when cold.

I'm very interested in this so look forward to finding out why. I can see the chemical adhesion changing with temperature (the molecular tackiness due to increased silica) but not the mechanical. But from the above it would seem that even the mechanical grip suffers due to temperature. Does the footprint get smaller? Is a cold Supercorsa Pro much harder than a warm MeZ4?

Carl

[Dougweb]

I think I can see what Berlin is getting at.....

I'm about to fit a £20 ebay style supercorsa on the front after running Road attacks for a while. I have been rather close to the front edge of the RA profile on occasions and would like a little more of the front tyre profile to use. The Supercorsa's definatly offer this.

With regard to grip, it may be more difficult to keep the heat in the tyre as it's designed for hard track use but I find it difficult to believe that from cold they offer less grip than the standard OE fitments/or equivelent.

If I'm wrong then I'll get back to all....

[northwind]

Are we seriously suggesting here that the Supercorsa Pros are *less* sticky when cold that a Metzeler Z6 or MeZ4 is when its cold? Or even when they are warm?

Definately for the Z6, when totally cold... I don't really know the science of it, but I think it's simply that the track tyres are designed to function incredibly well in a small temperature band, and that temperature band has to be high since otherwise they'd exceed it on track. The road tyres have to function reasonably well over a wide temperature band, and that has to be low since road tyres almost never get the same abuse as they would on the track, but do see a lot of cold and warm running.

Take Roadtecs to a track and they overheat, eventually, and lose grip where a sticky tyre would still be on top of its game. And of course, even at their absolute best they have much less grip- but then, the sticky tyres generally have more than you need anyway.

[Steve_God]

I've got Pirelli Diablos (front and rear) on mine and I have loved every minute of them! So much more grip when really giving them some stick!
By the way, a friend of mine used to work with Pirelli tyres, the SuperCorsa Pros are near enough identical to the SuperCorsas - like others have said, it's good marketing to charge people more!
The only issue I'm now getting now the tyre is getting to the end of it's life, and starting to square off, it's REALLY twitchy near the edge - but other than that, Pirellis are great!

[lawson17]

I've just fitted a pair of supercorsa pros on my pointy. As mentioned by others they take warming up, as does any tyre!

However, what a huge improvement over those 220's! I'm still scrubbing them in, but I noticed the difference straightaway! Well chuffed!:D

[Berlin]

Well, I've now got some Supercorsa pros and so I'll be able to find out first hand.
At the moment I can't tell which is stickier cold.
I'll report back early next week.
cheers,
Carl

[northwind]

To find out which is stickier cold, you have to nearly crash a couple of times :mrgreen:

[Berlin]

I gave the new Supercorsa Pro's (SC1 on the front and SC2 on the back) a very extensive test today. Three tanks worth! :)

OK, from absolutely cold they warm up slower than MeZ4's if you pootle about at 40mph (no surprise). They warm up at the same rate if you do three miles at 60mph.

And within 5 miles they are fully heated if you are taking it easy, riding gently at 60mph.

If you brake hard and accellerate moderately they are warm in less than three miles.

I had them fitted and balanced professionally and had the garage set them to the standard settings. (33psi fromt, 36 psi rear) to see how they would perform. I left them at that all day.

At higher speed, they are a little more twitchy than the old tyres and if sitting behind a car at 70 there's a slight shimmy from the wind and turbulence, but I think these are both due to the tyre pressure and these will be adjusted during the week to see the difference.

Once warm, levels of grip are Gobsmacking! At full lean angle on the Mez4's (really heated) you've got bags in reserve with the Supercorsa pro's. Once over, the bike is very stable.

Only once did the back end twitch and that was on cold tyres on a polised corner. The MeZ4 would have done the same at the angle I was at. For the rest of the day they just gripped, and gripped and gripped no matter how hard you come out of a corner. :)

So are they "lethal" on the road? Absolutely not. They are quite the opposite. If you're a careful and slow rider, they maybe aren't for you because there are better tyres for this type of riding but if you ride averagely and above, they are superb. The confidence they give is astounding.

Just waiting for a bit of rain now to see how they handle that.
One thing I did find was that fitting the 120/70 front makes the speedo read 3-4mph lower and if you happen to run over the gravel at road junctions the tyres pick up all the stones and grind them inside your front mudguard due to the lower clearance. Note to self: don't drive straight onto my gravel drive when I get home :D


Cheers,
Carl

[Steve_God]

After well over a month, and riding in (nearly) all conditions, I can now give them a good summary.

- They need at least 5 minutes of normal road riding to get enough heat in the tyres so that they don't feel dangerous
- They need a further 10 minutes of 'sprinted riding' to get them to be sticky
- Once you've got them to this point, they are immense and have an amazing grin factor! :D

- If your riding in heavy rain, and go over a manhole, you WILL slide instantly, and it won't feel nice.
- If you try to slam on the anchors in the first 5 minutes, you WON'T stop.


Overall, I've come to have a love/hate relationship with them... I love them once they're warmed up, but it takes half of my daily commute to get them up to a decent temperature when I'm on a 'normal' day, so I end up hating them during the start of every journey, and on any quick '5 minute trip'.

Next update will be mileage; and if buying a track used pair for £50, has worked out cost efficient on mileage!

[Stu]

Next update will be mileage; and if buying a track used pair for ?50, has worked out cost efficient on mileage!
I think the crucial point to that is fitting cost - whether you do it yourself or pay up to ?70 for fitting.