View Full Version : Should I Swap my CBR 600RR for a Kwak 636 B1H
I've been offered a Kawazaki 636 B1H model for a good price. Do you think I should get rid of my CBR600RR and go for the Kwak? What do you reckon?
If yes, do you want to buy my 600RR?
03 model
Crash bungs
Galfer wave discs
Blueflame pipe with removable baffle
Single seat cowl
15,500 miles
£3,600 ono
PM me for details
diamond
25-08-07, 11:39 AM
I'd stick with the RR myself fella, but good luck if you make the change. At that price someone should snap up your bike straight away it's a gem of a machine.
Cheers Liz. I am in two minds at the moment. It is a lovely bike and I won't be too sorry if I hang on to it.
Jester666
25-08-07, 12:11 PM
No. Sell it and buy another SV! :D
HTH!
Should I Swap my CBR 600RR for a Kwak 636 B1H
nope
No, of course you shouldn't swap.
End of.
CB1ROCKET
25-08-07, 12:35 PM
nope, the rr is far better than the kwak
Flamin_Squirrel
25-08-07, 12:41 PM
nope, the rr is far better than the kwak
Ah, so you've not actually ridden the ZX then.
CB1ROCKET
25-08-07, 01:09 PM
no but then i'm not keen on kwaks anyway
Flamin_Squirrel
25-08-07, 01:24 PM
Perhaps you shouldn't comment if you've not got a clue then eh?
CB1ROCKET
25-08-07, 01:29 PM
people are entitled to their opinions, afterall i have seen mates on cbr6, and i also own a Honda, i don't belive any of the others have ridden one either so please stop going on about it. It was just question, and I purely based it on history, build quality and the feel good factor. its gonna be a de-rail if you like to go on. Honda all the way end of
Supervox
25-08-07, 01:55 PM
I would have thought that the 'logical progression' - not that the choosing of a bike has anything to do with logic !! - would be either a GSXR 750 (which I personally think is THE BEST overall sportsbike around) or a move up to the litre class.
What would you really gain from swapping your 600 RR for a 636 ?
Agree with Supervox there, stick with the Honda or get a bigger/different engined bike.
Of course its your choice but personnaly unless the kwak really stirs your loins stick with the Honda for now
fizzwheel
25-08-07, 04:40 PM
Scoobs, didnt you want a B1H and ended up with the RR instead.
Personally try it, if you're thinking of changing then why not.
Have you test ridden a B1H so at least you've tried one before you part with cash etc etc...
I have ridden the B1H yes. It is a fine bike and faster in a straight line than my RR, but ultimately I think it is slower. The RR handles better and does not wheelie like the 636 is prone to doing. However, I am being offered the 636 for a very good price. It has a lot less miles on the clock and I know it has been well looked after. I'm really in two minds, but I must admit I am leaning towards keeping the RR.
Put it this way. There is a bike for sale here. I had first refusal on the 636. If I don't sell my RR the 636 is up for grabs. It is an B1H registered on an 05 plate. Akropovic exhaust, single seat cowl, Gilles rearsets and chain adjuster / lifters, R&G's.
If anyone is interested in either, PM me and leave your number and I will call you to have a chat about them both.
Scoobs, didnt you want a B1H and ended up with the RR instead...
I was looking at both when I brought the RR. I would have been happy with either, but I found a decent RR first.
Pedrosa
25-08-07, 05:55 PM
Scoobs, what Supervox wa trying to say...but just could not allow himself to type it....is buy a 749s like you know you really want to!:p
Failing that get yer a`s up to litre class and buy the best....Fireblade.;)
muffles
25-08-07, 06:29 PM
If it were me I guess I'd look at how I'm using the bike, from everything I've read (and this is the only basis of my opinion!) the 03 RR lacks mid range, and the 636s were always supposed to be very good (whether that's down to the extra 37cc I don't know).
So if I ended up touring, or something like that, maybe the midrange is better, but if I only used it for the track, maybe the RR is best.
I wouldn't go down the route of thinking of 'logical progressions' and such like, or what does one do when they get to a litre bike? Surely don't keep it forever, because it's top of the line in the 'logical progression'? I would say just think of what you want - if you try to follow something you 'should' be doing you may not end up with the best bike for you...
muffles
25-08-07, 10:13 PM
;
wha...?:confused:
i know nothing about bikes
hth
Sid Squid
26-08-07, 08:27 AM
Of course you should - everyone knows that Hondas are rubbish and that Kawasakis, (green ones ideally), are bikes of the gods.
(Of course I s'pose I should mention that they are both ****in' excellent modern bikes and there really isn't any advantage in either, despite the b******s you'll read suggesting that one is better than the other for 'X' reason, not to mention the dubious 'fact' we keep hearing about Hondas being better built. Hmmmmm...
Which one do you like the colour of most/think is more comfy/gives you a firmer ******? etc etc.)
I have not ridden either machine but have followed both, the Honda sems to be the quicker bike on the road, certainly handling wise a lot smoother. I would not change the CBR for the 636.
The Gixer 750 as proposed earlier would be a better proposition although I guess I am a tad biased. If you're worried about milage on the CBR, maybe a second bike for general commuting etc is worth considering...
valleyboy
26-08-07, 01:37 PM
as probably the person on this board with the most mileage on a 636.... the B1H did have its problems with suspension, which causes the aformentioned slower riding on the roads.... the suspenison is effing hard, so you feel the bumps.. which is kinda off putting... if you had the cash, or the suspension had been tweeked, and had the rear shock replaced with something else, then It should be a better bike than the Honda.. on the MCN ninjas website, most f the riders have said how much difference changing the rear shock makes to the bike..
I never found the suspension to be that much of a problem, as I never pushed the bike that hard.. now on an 07 ZX-6R, and I ride it much quicker than the 636 simply down to the ride quality being that much better... but you can tell straight away the lack of midrange as far as the engine goes....
plus, I would have thought the ZX-6R being that little bit better on fuel, as Hondas are supposedly thirsty buggers, and have also been told by someone who has ridden both bikes, that the kwaks fuel injection is far better as far as smoothness goes...
put it this way, the kwak is probably as close to a race track ready bike as you will get these days.. they have made subsequent Kwaks since the B1H less focused.... (I should know..) but that makes the newer ones far better 'road' bikes.... take the Kwak on the track, and it will be in its elements...
ohh, the B1H does have a nasty habit of letting you KNOW you are going fast.. which I loved on the bike.. I like fighting my bike.. Im not into a completely smooth easy ride.... makes life boring! little things like headshakes, the front becoming very light on acceleration.... just lots of little things which kinda keep on telling you if you drop your guard, this bike will eat you alive.... ohh, plus the fact when you are doing 130+ and still accelerating and you hit a bump.. the frot comes off the ground.... :p
first dibs on your CBR scoobs if you decide to swap.
anyone wanna buy a 2001 CBR600F ?
Keith1983
26-08-07, 07:30 PM
Why not buy the kwak and sell it for a profit? If that is an option. Then spend the profits on the cbr? This is just a thought as don't have any experience of either bike and I think choosing a bike is a personal thing.
Never riden the CBR but personally I loved my B1H and only sold mine for financial reasons. I wouldn't hesitate to get another. As kwak said probably one of the closest you can get to a race track ready bike on the road.
northwind
29-08-07, 02:55 PM
I have ridden the B1H yes. It is a fine bike and faster in a straight line than my RR, but ultimately I think it is slower. The RR handles better and does not wheelie like the 636 is prone to doing. However, I am being offered the 636 for a very good price. It has a lot less miles on the clock and I know it has been well looked after. I'm really in two minds, but I must admit I am leaning towards keeping the RR.
It'd need to keep on being well looked after... Build quality's worse than an SV in some ways on those kwaks. Also, that's the one with the totally misspecced rear shock. Fix that, and it's a good bike though, lovely engine... In fact, the engine would be the only reason to change IMO, I don't think there's anything else the Kwak does as well as the Honda, let alone better, unless you're one of those people that believes the Kwak's handling issues count as character ;) Maybe the Kwak has the advantage on braking too, those are very good brakes with the 4-pads. Oh, and probably underseat storage, though I can't really speak for that.
I'm not a huge fan of either bike, but I'd have the 600RR if I had to have one of the two. But it does depend on what you want from the bike- you can compare hardware all day but the two do have different appeals. I'd also say it's probably not a big enough change to warrant the hassle and cost (unless it's going to be cheaper than the RR)
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kwak zzr
29-08-07, 04:44 PM
sell the cbr and get an sv :)
Blah, blah, blah, I'd also say it's probably not a big enough change to warrant the hassle and cost (unless it's going to be cheaper than the RR)
BINGO.
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