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rigor
31-08-07, 08:37 PM
OK, as some people know (and many more don't) I'm in the lucky position of getting to choose a new bike.

Today I went out on 2 test rides, Triumph Daytona 675 and Honda CBR600RR (From here on in, refered to as "The Pirate" (Arrrrrr!!))

Oh yeah, and for comparison, my current bike is a K6 GSX-R 600.

First up was the 675. Rolled up to Jack Lilley's to find the bike parked up outside next to the new Street Triple, so had a quick gander at that as well. Both are very pretty bikes, and you can see all the shared DNA. Went in, did the paperwork thing and was let loose on the bike.

Ashford isn't an area I know well at all, so just had to content myself with finding roads that looked interesting without getting too lost so I could find my way back :p.

Throwing my leg over the seat and I got my first surprise. This is a TALL bike, short-ar$es need not apply. I'm 6" and my legs were fairly straight, not something I'm used to on modern bikes.

Checking out the display, and it's got more functions than you can shake a stick at, MPG Avg. Speed, Max Speed, Lap Timer etc etc, Nice and clear to read, although the gear indicator was a bit small, but then I've got into the bad habit of using the Gixer's one too much anyway, so ignored it for most of the time.

You definitely sit over the front of the bike, with more pressure on the wrists than the Gixer, and the tank is a lot slimmer too, which is actually nicer to lock your kness onto.

Starting the bike up and its ooooohhhh that sound :D It's lovely!! :p Definitely a different beast to the IL4. Pulling away and I'm pretty sure (I could be totally wrong though) that the bike doesn't have a steering damper. Felt quite nervous at low speed and a little bit prone to wandering about. Start to get faster though and the nervousness is replaced with a desire to drop into corners (or roundabouts) with just a thought.

The mid-range is a nice change to the Gixxer too, not massively different, but noticable. I found myself running less revs to use the grunt more and to listen to the engine note more as well.

Finish the ride and it's back to the Dealers. It's a great bike, but then all the SS600 class are very good and I wasn't expecting it to be much worse or much better than what I'm on. And it wasn't. So it comes down to the heart strings point. Does the bike call to me? And my honest opinion is: Kinda :p Lovely to ride, not so hot to look at (IN MY OPINION :D) So it's still on the short list, but not at the top.

On a totally different not, anyone in the market for a new Speed Triple should head down to Jack Lilley's as they have a gorgeous Orange with White "Viper Stripes", really nice ;)

Next stop "The Pirate". Head down to Motoselect in Farnham. They've only been open since March this year (AFAIK) and it's a very nice dealership, lots of shiny bikes :D Slightly different setup to previous test rides, with a guy from the Dealership leading you out, but since I'm no BSB racer, shouldn't be a problem, and his route is exactly the route I would have taken anyway, A31, Pirbright twisties and back.

Start up the Honda and it's another lovely engine note, not as gruff as the Triple, but sweet, and as even on a fast idle as only Honda can do it. This is virtually a brand new bike (74 miles on the clock when I started) So I didn't really get to make her scream (Much ;) ) Clocks are nice, a teeny bit bland (Grey plastic anyone?) But easy to read, and the fuel guage is a nice touch (For people like me, who forget to reset the trip :) )

The seat is comfy and the whole riding position is slightly less focused than the 675, more akin to the gixer. But with the same narrow tank, giving more freedom to more around the bike. Honda's clever steering damper (Speed adaptive) means the bike is a breeze to move around at low speed, but it comes into effect the faster you go.

First surprise? The brakes! I didn't mention them from the 675 ride, because they were so similar to the Gixer's, but I don't know what magic Honda have pulled, but the brakes on the CBR have SERIOUS stopping power, and neither of the other two bikes are slouches in that dept., the CBR is just soooo much better!

Second surprise, this is an IL4 600 with mid-range! Not quite as much as the 675, but plenty enough to get away with being in the wrong gear and still keep humming along. And remember, this bike hasn't been run in yet, so I wasn't caning it, and the engine is bound to loosen up over time.

Get back, and a quick look over the bike confirms what I thought before I went out. Build quality is great and the bike is very very nice to look at. In fact the Metallic White version is possibly one of the prettiest bikes I've seen in a while.

So, which order? Well, this is my own personal opinion, so it's what I like :D

1: Honda CBR600RR
2: Suzuki GSX-R 600
3: Triumph Daytona 675

It's possible that I'm more used to the GSX-R than the other two, and have only put it above the 675 due to familiarity, but it's a very nice bike to ride. Not quite on a knife edge like the 675, but very very capable.

So, onto tomorrow, when I get to test the new ZX6R :D Aren't I a lucky boy :p

NOTE: I'm not testing the Yamaha R6, it just doesn't appeal to me at all from a looks point of view, and everyone I've spoken to says it needs to be revved hard, which just isn't my style at all.

Tim in Belgium
31-08-07, 09:00 PM
I reckon go for the bike you like the look of out of these 4 (if they're all similar to ride), for me that would be the Triumph, and the Honda wouldn't be top, especially with their graphics, but everyone's taste is different. I think all 4 are better than my ability currently, so I could enjoy any of them.

Enjoy the Kwak (looks good in orange I think;) ) and hope you find a bike to spend your money on, it's a hard life....

rigor
31-08-07, 09:06 PM
I reckon go for the bike you like the look of out of these 4 (if they're all similar to ride), for me that would be the Triumph, and the Honda wouldn't be top, especially with their graphics, but everyone's taste is different. I think all 4 are better than my ability currently, so I could enjoy any of them.

I agree entirely, all 3 bikes today were soooo close to each other that it comes down to seat thickness and colour ;)

Enjoy the Kwak (looks good in orange I think;) ) and hope you find a bike to spend your money on, it's a hard life....


I will, and oh yeah, such a hard life ;) heheh

ASM-Forever
31-08-07, 09:17 PM
NOTE: I'm not testing the Yamaha R6, it just doesn't appeal to me at all from a looks point of view, and everyone I've spoken to says it needs to be revved hard, which just isn't my style at all.

Booooooooooooooooooooh!

:p

rigor
31-08-07, 09:19 PM
Booooooooooooooooooooh!

:p

Hehe, I am talking about the new ones, not your old one ;) Anyway, I'm seriously considering the White CBR, so I may just have to get some white boots to go with it :D :D

ASM-Forever
31-08-07, 09:27 PM
Hehe, I am talking about the new ones, not your old one ;) Anyway, I'm seriously considering the White CBR, so I may just have to get some white boots to go with it :D :D

Mines a 2005 and assuming the 2007 is the same as the 2006(im pretty sure it is) i dont much care for the look of the newer model. It has a 'sharper' aspect that i think looks wrong. I dont blame you for not wanting one!

If i was going to replace my R6, which i wont for another year, i would probably get a big kwak ZXR.

If i was going to get a ss600 then i would get ZX6, but in orange not green.

Although i've never ridden a daytona, i personally dont like the look of them. Also even though the CBR nearly always comes at the top of the test pile...i really dont like them either.(sorry Nick :p)

Demonz
31-08-07, 09:45 PM
Not tempted by the RSV???

My line up would prob be the same as yours out of those 3.

rigor
31-08-07, 09:47 PM
Not tempted by the RSV???

My line up would prob be the same as yours out of those 3.

One of the guys I work with has just got an RSV Factory. Deeply lovely bike, but probably a little bit too much for me at this stage... but maybe one day :D

sarah
01-09-07, 05:27 AM
Enjoy the Kwak (looks good in orange I think;) )

+1

muffles
01-09-07, 08:15 AM
How come you're changing? Just fancy a change, or is the gixer broken? Tired of Suzuki build quality? (I am)

600+
01-09-07, 08:34 AM
rigor - on a similar state myself but not done any test rides yet.

can I ask would you do touring on either the honda or the 675? ie long trip across the channel?

Fizzy Fish
01-09-07, 08:34 AM
can't believe you're leaving the gixxer fold so soon!! still, it's nice to have the chance to try other stuff, and tbh the Honda would be my 1st choice alternative too

just a thought though, if you haven't already why not try the gixxer 750 as part of your test ride extravaganza? i've ridden etienne's bike a bit and it has that extra punch across the whole rev range, but because the engine is only marginally bigger it still handles well.

have fun today anyway!

rob13
01-09-07, 11:33 AM
I want a bike which I feel as comfortable on the SV on, but with better build quality and better brakes. Im still happy with the power of the SV, even though sometimes it would be nice to have a little more (although totally unecessary really unless I want to lose my licence). Sounds like the 675 would be too big for me

rigor
01-09-07, 11:33 AM
How come you're changing? Just fancy a change, or is the gixer broken? Tired of Suzuki build quality? (I am)

I'm changing because Sam's SV is now in a sorry state after her last off. So, out of the two of us getting a new bike, and Sam only really fitting the Gixer, I decided that I would get the new one :D ;)

rigor - on a similar state myself but not done any test rides yet.

can I ask would you do touring on either the honda or the 675? ie long trip across the channel?

Personally I think that both would be OK for a long distance trip. But I fit these bikes, you'd have to test them yourself and look at things like luggage points etc. I would probably plump for the Honda, if only that it's going to be easier to find a Honda dealer abroad. (Not that I think it would break, but you never know)

can't believe you're leaving the gixxer fold so soon!! still, it's nice to have the chance to try other stuff, and tbh the Honda would be my 1st choice alternative too

just a thought though, if you haven't already why not try the gixxer 750 as part of your test ride extravaganza? i've ridden etienne's bike a bit and it has that extra punch across the whole rev range, but because the engine is only marginally bigger it still handles well.

have fun today anyway!

I'm not leaving the fold forever, if I feel like getting back on the Gixer then I'll just jump on Sam's :D I did consider the 750, but in the year I've had mine I've not been overly impressed by the finish. Little things like paint rubbing off the frame and the laquer wearing through on the tank. Nothing major, but enough to make me want to try something different. She's still a great bike though, and stands up very well to the test rides I've done.

rigor
01-09-07, 11:49 AM
OK, final part of my road test reviews. Kawasaki ZX6-R.

Another accompanied test ride, which is fine, I'd rather let someone else worry about where we're going :)

Bikes a very similar size to the Honda and Suzuki, and everything is in just the right place. But then I haven't come across and "odd" bike on my rides so far. Seat is firm, but supportive. Clocks are nice, everything laid out fairly clearly, although I'm not a fan of the Gear indicator, it's quite small, and is a series of black bars, one for each gear. Mirrors are standard sports bike fair, I get a lovely view of my elbows. Heading off down the road and I get to hear the Kwak airbox roar, it's quite addictive :D Again, I'm sure that all manufacturers have an acoustics lab, tuning the sounds of their bike to be just right.

Heading off and a brisk pace and I realise that I haven't changed gear yet. Wow, 1st goes on forever!! 100mph easily I'd guess. An expensive twist and go scoot around town then :D

The engines good, and definitly has got some oomph behind it, the front going light under acceleration. Brakes are good too, plenty of power and feel.

Again, as is the norm in this class, it will hold whatever line you want round corners and let you change and will. And it's another one that just drops onto it's ear at a thought. Very nice. Front grip feels good too. Nicer that I found the 675, and on a par with the GSXR and CBR.

So, as I guessed with these bikes, it all comes down to personal taste. If your interested, take them all out for rides, you won't be disappointed, but it won't make your choice any easier :p

My personal order (at the moment, it may change)

1: Honda CBR600RR
2: Kawasaki ZX6R
3: Suzuki GSX-R 600
4: Triumph Daytona 675

However, I wouldn't be disappointed if I had to have any of these bikes. They really are so close that it's a bit of a fruitless exercise trying to seperate them.

WARNING If you have an SV and ride any of these bikes, don't blame me if your bike doesn't feel quite as good anymore ;) (To quote Law: "My SV feels like a vibey cruiser now" :D)

Balky001
01-09-07, 12:31 PM
Nice review, very useful and reaslistic.

I loved the 675's engine but also found it tall and a little uncompromising (I also dropped it on cold supercorsa's in February!) and not sure I'd want to live with it every day. My firend has converted his to a track bike and it does sound good. The CBR would be my choice for road/track days and is comfy for a 600. The GSXR is a fine bike but for me the 07 model has to be powered by 750/1000 engine! I've not ridden the ZX.

muffles
01-09-07, 02:28 PM
I'm changing because Sam's SV is now in a sorry state after her last off. So, out of the two of us getting a new bike, and Sam only really fitting the Gixer, I decided that I would get the new one :D ;)

Had a sneaking suspicion it might be that! :lol:

I would be going for the new RR, haven't seen many of those about - and I love the looks of it (though I don't like the way they have moved the brake light below the exhaust now). Are you trying anything else?

rigor
01-09-07, 03:38 PM
Nope, done all my test rides, and have just got back from a second visit to the Honda dealer, "The Pirate" is getting more tempting by the second :D

muffles
01-09-07, 03:46 PM
Dammit all these test ride threads make me want a new bike lol...

Fizzy Fish
03-09-07, 03:39 PM
ah lucky Sam as well then!

i know what you mean re the build quality, i love the gixxer but it's so annoying! BTW i know a couple of people who have succeeded on warranty claims for the paint on the frame, so am going to try myself too - will keep you posted.

nice write up on the bikes btw!

rigor
03-09-07, 03:46 PM
Nice review, very useful and reaslistic.


nice write up on the bikes btw!

Thanks :oops:

Though I'd use the forum as a place to think about the bike clearly after having ridden them. It's amazing what you remember sitting down in the evening and thinking clearly about it, rather than the post ride glow ;)

Anyway, good news is I've put a deposit down on a pre-reg CBR600"Arrrrr", so I'm a happy bunny :D :D :D

It was a close run thing between the Kwak and the Honda, but I think the Honda is the one that's going to have me smiling when I open the garage door.

Law
03-09-07, 03:58 PM
Thanks :oops:

Though I'd use the forum as a place to think about the bike clearly after having ridden them. It's amazing what you remember sitting down in the evening and thinking clearly about it, rather than the post ride glow ;)

Anyway, good news is I've put a deposit down on a pre-reg CBR600"Arrrrr", so I'm a happy bunny :D :D :D

It was a close run thing between the Kwak and the Honda, but I think the Honda is the one that's going to have me smiling when I open the garage door.

In Pearl Sunbeam White? Did you get it from Farnham?

Jelster
03-09-07, 04:11 PM
Anyway, good news is I've put a deposit down on a pre-reg CBR600"Arrrrr", so I'm a happy bunny :D :D :D

It was a close run thing between the Kwak and the Honda, but I think the Honda is the one that's going to have me smiling when I open the garage door.

Since coming back from a week in France I've decided to sell my 'Blade and go back to a 600. Mainly because I find that I am more confident on a 600 than I am on my RR3, and the new CBR is the only real candidate, the others are far to focused.

However, I have a sneaky suspicion that the Street Triple may try and get me to change my mind.

I tried the Daytona and found it too focused and a bit on the tall side. I won't contemplate another GSXR until Suzuki sort their build quality, and I don't like either the ZXR or the R6 to look at (although the last 636 was awesome...)

Good choice I reckon, and I think you'll have bags of fun, but also know that with that mid range and riding position you've got an everyday bike too.

Nice write up....

rigor
03-09-07, 04:26 PM
In Pearl Sunbeam White? Did you get it from Farnham?

Yes and yes. It's the one sitting at the back of their entrance display. So when you go down there to have your test ride,

















DON'T TOUCH MY BIKE!


;)

DanAbnormal
03-09-07, 04:29 PM
Nice review there.

You left out value for money though, in my book teh Ninja comes out a clear winner due to price. I too looked at all 3 bikes. For the price you just cannot beat a ZX6R, under £6k brand new. Astonishing bang for your buck.

rigor
03-09-07, 04:33 PM
Nice review there.

You left out value for money though, in my book teh Ninja comes out a clear winner due to price. I too looked at all 3 bikes. For the price you just cannot beat a ZX6R, under £6k brand new. Astonishing bang for your buck.

Yup, very good value at the moment. But, see you in a year and I think I may be the happier bunny ;)