boy racers

[v-twin luke]

yo dudes i live in gosport and its full of boy racers every time i see one it TRYS racing me does anyone else have this problem??? i dont know whats got this thing in there heads that a car is faster than a bike, too many car movies i think, i get sh*tty done up cars all the time behind me or in front revving and wanting a race, its fun beating them the look off there girl friends face is priceless:laughat:

[ThEGr33k]

There arnt that many near me... Seems to be a few expensive cars though... Well like RX8's and TT's and Type R's (if they count a expensive??) that sort of thing... they are fun to race off.

I did race a pimped out mini a ong time ago when i was limited... most annoying i couldnt leave him on the streights but managed to do him in the corners :D


Maybe its the ones that think the bike is racing them when they are riding normally that makes them feel they can race us off? I mean out of an average town or corner a bike will accelerate faster than an average car even taking it easy, maybe this appears to be racing? :rolleyes:

[v-twin luke]

if they are cool supercars i wouldn't mind, but there always nova's,clio's,saxo',106's that are all mouth no trousers 1.0-1.6liter engines its just no fun with them youll think they would learn, they will come back with a green light in there grill and think there the stig (top gear)

[ThEGr33k]

Indeed... It si fun racing the cars especially when they are slow in the corners :smt081.

Its like ](*,) with them...

[northwind]

I got raced by a Clio a while back... Orrible boy racer job. Well, I say raced... We happened to leave the lights at the same time, he was racing, I was just commuting :) I didn't realise what was up til he pulled up by me at the next lights and says "I nearly had you there!".

On the other hand, I got skinned by a mk 1 golf with a Rallye conversion and 300bhp once. But that's OK.

[Pedro68]

Racing these numpties ain't big and it ain't clever ... but it sure is FUN :-P
I pulled up at a set of lights this morning ... right next to a Nissan 200SX... let him go cos lights were on a bend ... then as I hit the straight, just blatted past him and several other cars (road was wide enough for me to overtake and still be in my own lane). The 200SX was going nowhere PMSL I don't class this as racing tho (like northwind says), I was just making progress when the 200SX couldn't :-P

[21QUEST]

It's funny(well I do) how some people riding a "girls bike" :pseeming like to look down at the folks driving clios and wotnot eh......;)


Ben

[ASM-Forever]

It's funny(well I do) how some people riding a "girls bike" :pseeming like to look down at the folks driving clios and wotnot eh......;)


Ben

LOL....good call :)

Personally i tend to ignore the chavtastic boy racers....playing with them demeans us all.

That said, on very rare occasions i have dabbled. Nice to flip them off as you go past.

[Swiss]

If you get a real bike they won't even try ;)
(I'm joking before anyone get's really upset)

[G]

I normally give it some revs and then let them burn off into the distance while I set off slowly, its much more amusing.

I do like to play with the big boys though in uber expensive cars.

A month or so ago I sat doing 50 and a Bently GTC rolled along side so I did have a play, pulled away from it significantly to a point and then it nailed me :( and I tried to play the 'I have backed off pose'

[Pedrosa]

Oddly this phenomenon is not very common here in Spain. I think maybe people have more respect for bikes. However I must add that the road accident figures here are apalling as for example last weekend saw 35 road deaths, with 11 of those being motorcyclists. That is a disproportionately high percentage when considering the overall number of bikes to cars.

We are going to be having our bike privileges curtailed before long for sure. On the safety front, from 2010 all new biks will have to have ABS fitted as standard.

[ASM-Forever]

Oddly this phenomenon is not very common here in Spain. I think maybe people have more respect for bikes. However I must add that the road accident figures here are apalling as for example last weekend saw 35 road deaths, with 11 of those being motorcyclists. That is a disproportionately high percentage when considering the overall number of bikes to cars.

We are going to be having our bike privileges curtailed before long for sure. On the safety front, from 2010 all new biks will have to have ABS fitted as standard.

Thats news to me!

[Mogs]

Luke, although powering away at lights is fun, and we've all done it. Please be carefull. Boy Racers love to try to get away from lights fast, but the same attitude will also mean that they will run an amber, occasionally a red. The last thing you want is to fast away only to be tee-boned.

[Pedrosa]

Thats news to me!

Relax my friend, I refer to here in Spain.;)

[John 675]

i have a pop if it is safe to do so.. i dusted of a type R the otherday got to the traffic lights and he asked me if it was an R1... i had to laugh and pointed to the suzuki emblem and the sv sticker lol,
a hell of alot of people underestimate the "girls bike" they think it would be an easy win... but it aint.. upto 120..

[Alpinestarhero]

I laugh, and lets them get on with it (i probably would struggle past 70 mph). But get my own back through traffic.

I did enjoy, however, my 1st hand viewing spot, on my bike, of my dad pasting a nissan skyline, him riding his gsxr750. was a proper giggle, and the driver was very courtious, letting us past at the next traffic lights

Matt

[G]

i have a pop if it is safe to do so.. i dusted of a type R the otherday got to the traffic lights and he asked me if it was an R1... i had to laugh and pointed to the suzuki emblem and the sv sticker lol,
a hell of alot of people underestimate the "girls bike" they think it would be an easy win... but it aint.. upto 120..

It ****es me off well and truely when people refer to them as 'girls bikes' and say....'when you going to get a proper bike' :(

I'm starting to love the SV more and more and thinking of getting another bike less and less.

Its just enough and not to much. :cool:

[Alpinestarhero]

It ****es me off well and truely when people refer to them as 'girls bikes' and say....'when you going to get a proper bike' :(

I'm starting to love the SV more and more and thinking of getting another bike less and less.

Its just enough and not to much. :cool:

Well, you can already ride your SV alot better than many people can ride their gixers, rR1's etc etc. So seek and bath in the satisfaction of riding round the outside of another Rossi-clone on your girls bike :D

I am another person who hates the "girls bike" tag. I wont ever get rid of my SV, its worth too much to me, what with the topbox and easy to use engine.

And i corner better than some people, too

Matt

[Steve_God]

My personal favourite with boy-racers is to pretend that you are racing... lay on the tank, be side by by them, looking at them to see if they're gaining...
then sit back upright, give them a wave, and disappear into the distance ;)

[Toypop]

My take on boyracers is as follows.

Some of them are total n*bs but generally I find there are a higher percentage of n*bs amongst the middle aged German saloon/Evo driving crowd.

Ok a boyracer trying to race your bike is dumb...or is it.

Firstly it could be that they see the bike as the ultimate performance vehicle on the road and just want to get a kick out of how quick it flies off in relation to their car. So in that sense you should be flattered.

Secondly at least they are racing everything instead of deliberately picking their races. E.g. I can be going to the shops in my Clio 182 hot hatch and just minding my own business when a n*b in an M3/Evo will pull up behind and start swerving around and revving because they know they can beat me. Yet if I am on my bike they will stick to 50mph on the dual carriageway, stare straight ahead and pretend I am not there. Now who do you respect the most out of him or the boyracer? At least the boyracer isn't afraid of being beaten and isn't trying to protect his ego.

Thirdly on a car forum yesterday we were talking about the unwritten rules of street racing etiquette. E.g. if someone out drags you on a dual carriageway you should accept defeat and leave it be. Most boyracers will obey that rule. However your average German Saloon/Evo/Impreza STi type will after having been beaten go into a suicidal rage. They will start tailgating or when you slow down they will keep going off over the horizon at stupidly dangerous speeds and risk peoples lives just because their ego got bruised.

Granted there are boyracers that drive just as badly as the middle aged men but in general they are not the worse group.

[Georgio]

Re Toypop's comments. I have just got a "german saloon", the makers name having three letters and was amased to find out that THEY DO have indicators after all.

No one let's me out of junctions anymore though.

[Al_Sweetman]

And now we get onto 'peds....

For those of you who know Cheltenham, this happened outside the town hall, going round towards the Royal Well bus station and beyond... For those that don't, it's a 3-lane TL junction (one left, two ahead), with a tight right-left hander followed by a long straight.

I pulled up in middle (outside, straight ahead lane) and a scooby pulled up next to me. Then, from behind, filtered a ped (pug one, I think) which proceeded to wobble past into the 'cycling' box at the front. I had a little grin to myself, as knew what was about to happen, but then I heard a loud laugh from the scooby driver. I looked over, and we both grinned... Needless to say.... lights turned the ped "roared" (sorry, squeaked) off with the rider 'foot dragging' into the corner(think speedway-stylee but with the bike upright??!) .... scooby driver and myself look at each other, start off, and do a dual flank overtake (me on left, scooby on right) as the ped was riding in the middle of the road!! The look on his face at the next set of lights as he caught us up was priceless - needless to say he hung back, and let us proceed at our own pace (which, as it turns out, wasn't "racing" at all!)

I also got abuse the other day for overtaking a bunch of 7-8 peds who were riding in group formation, wide carriage way, in a NSL (they were doing 30-40)....

Fools.

[sarah]

Re Toypop's comments. I have just got a "german saloon", the makers name having three letters and was amased to find out that THEY DO have indicators after all.



Are you sure? It must be faulty.

[Pedro68]

Georgio - wot sarah says ;-)

I'd take it back to the dealer and have those irksome devices removed ... lets face it they just add to the weight of the car and make it look ugly :-P

Pete

[ThEGr33k]

You know i dont really get that "girls bike" thing, i mean no one has said it. Probably because i always look angry, they maybe dont want to upset me ha ha. Ive heard people put it more tactful, girls ride those dont they... "Well yes but thats because its a good bike" i say.

Perhapse because it sound pretty nice they leave it? :p

Impreza STi's are pretty slow... do them to a ton its over the 120 mark they start to pull a little ground.

There is only one car that i couldn't have overtaken on the local bypass near me and that was a ferrari spider... for obvious reasons. Though i was faster in the corners, he just got on the power so much earlier than me :( Guess thats what £120,000 gets you :smt120

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_360

[Daimo]

if they are cool supercars i wouldn't mind, but there always nova's,clio's,saxo',106's that are all mouth no trousers 1.0-1.6liter engines its just no fun with them youll think they would learn, they will come back with a green light in there grill and think there the stig (top gear)

Till you come up against a C20LET in a corsa or Nova, the smile would be wiped from your face then, very very much so.

If its ned looking (neons, striped, generally tacky stuff), don't bother wasting the fuel.

If its smooth, very tidy, subtle, have a go, you may be embarrased though, you may not.

I played with a Tommy Kiaria (?sp) Skyline on the SV, needless to say, I was highly embarrassed. Wasn't even a constest, both went off, he left me standing, twice.

Still, theres different types of people, some will have abit of fun for the hell of it, give you the thumbs and some respect, the dangerous ones are the people who can't accept defeat/understand when enough is enough. They will drive dangerously, erratically, and pretty much do anything to win. If you come accross these types, back off, leave it, they are more like the people to knock you off and drive away without a care in the world about you or what they've done.

[Daimo]

Oddly this phenomenon is not very common here in Spain. I think maybe people have more respect for bikes. However I must add that the road accident figures here are apalling as for example last weekend saw 35 road deaths, with 11 of those being motorcyclists. That is a disproportionately high percentage when considering the overall number of bikes to cars.

We are going to be having our bike privileges curtailed before long for sure. On the safety front, from 2010 all new biks will have to have ABS fitted as standard.

I know of some people in Portugal who take to racing hardcore on motorways. Videos it and everything. They do 160+ in small hatchbacks, although as far as im aware, your very limited what you can do to cars there. Has to be bodywork and not engine related when it comes to modifications. Other countries have the same rules.

Over here, if you were racing at 160+ and videoing it, you wouldn't be free for very long.

Cruises have died off (not the local neds at a McDonalds), proper shows are full of chavs and wannabies, but there is still a significant crowed properly into cars.

The sensible ones are realising that its fast becoming too dangerous on the roads, and are taking it to track days instead.

[v-twin luke]

thanks for the replys dudes alot of you say "leave it let them go" i couldn't let them have the last laugh saying that i would only do it in a place i know and if its safe enough:smt077

[TheDangerousQuietOne]

I got harassed by about 12 chavs on peds, they followed me into the centre of town and tried to push my off when I slowed for a roundabout, unfortunately I couldn't speed away as the nearest dual carriageway was 2miles away.

[northwind]

What sort of 0-60 and quarter would you expect to see out of a C20LET powered Nova, Daimo? With a sensible street tune and no ludicrous lightening, so you can still use it to go and buy nappies, that is. I'm a huge fan of engine swaps like this, there's a little voice at the back of my head that won't go away, and it says "Mk 1 Golf GTI with a Cupra R 1.8T in it" over and over and over. :smt077

[ThEGr33k]

What sort of 0-60 and quarter would you expect to see out of a C20LET powered Nova, Daimo? With a sensible street tune and no ludicrous lightening, so you can still use it to go and buy nappies, that is. I'm a huge fan of engine swaps like this, there's a little voice at the back of my head that won't go away, and it says "Mk 1 Golf GTI with a Cupra R 1.8T in it" over and over and over. :smt077

Oh dear

[northwind]

The other voice says "Get a V8 Capri" :smt120

[Tartan Terror]

The other voice says "Get a V8 Capri" :smt120

:confused: OH DEAR!!!

Might as well get a mullet too then . . . . . . . :D

[monkey]

I think I'd motion to them to wind down the window and say "come back when your balls have dropped". Then I'd wink and pull away nice and slowly whilst whistling a happy tune. Just because you have it don't mean you have to use it! I had a very short thing with a Lotus Espirit once. I don't really get it very often at all though to be honest.

I did have a very bad time with a white transit once. I was pootling along behind a smart car happy to be near home with no will to overtake and this transit tried overtaking me. I (stupidly) blipped the throttle as if to say no way pal and then it was like being plunged into hell. The smart car promtly disappeared and I'm sure the transit was trying to knock me off, driving like his life depended on it. It was in a town near shops with loads of corners and I couldn't shake him enough to disappear for what felt like days. I did manage to do a left and actually come round behind it but what could I do? I knew that approaching him would be stupid as it could have been full of pikeys and taking the reg number and reporting him would've been as useful as a chocolate teapot. So I took his reg in the hope that I'd see it again and forgot it. I wont bother doing that again.

It is amazing when you are riding normally away from lights and look in the mirror to find the cars look like they're sitting there still, yet don't really feel it like you would in a car pulling away at the same rate.

I'd say just be safe. I was a boy racer once (in minis if that counts) and sometimes drove like a right moron. Didn't bother racing though as I didn't have a good one til I was 20 and lost the urge by then.
:)

[21QUEST]

Jeez, some folks need to lighten up...... :p

So here we have, Boy racers compartmentalized and even funnier is that, one group deemed alright by one person is deemed not to be, by another. What does that tell us? :confused: ;)

teriyakimonkey, ".....could have been full of Pikeys....." eh :rolleyes:



Ben

[Marshall]

The other voice says "Get a V8 Capri" :smt120

hubba hubba, now were talking, the granada cosworth V8 octopus engine fits nicely in them. i was temped to drop one in my 2.8i

[Daimo]

What sort of 0-60 and quarter would you expect to see out of a C20LET powered Nova, Daimo? With a sensible street tune and no ludicrous lightening, so you can still use it to go and buy nappies, that is. I'm a huge fan of engine swaps like this, there's a little voice at the back of my head that won't go away, and it says "Mk 1 Golf GTI with a Cupra R 1.8T in it" over and over and over. :smt077

I don't like 0-60mph, i don't think its a good way to compare a cars performance. Good example is a Saxo, they will do 60mph in 2nd, hence knocking off a fair wack on the time, but a lot of other cars need a change to 3rd, which makes them have a slower 0-60mph time, but the 0-100mph will be much quicker. (Just examples, they are good little cars, but have the boyracer/chavvy/ned image now like all small cars).

In a Corsa/Nova with 2.0 16v turbo, the problems traction at the start. IF you can get the power down smoothly, your looking at a mid 5-6 second dash to 60mph, but then a dash to 100mph in around 12-14 seconds (sometimes quicker, sometimes slower, depending on car/engine/wheels etc). In standard form, it'll carry on pulling to 150mph, and with a few simple modifications, it'll carry on above 160. I've seen a calibrated stack dash in a tuned LET corsa doing 174mph, i wouldn't fancy that speed in mine though :lol:

A very good simple type spec would be.

Standard Nova/Corsa
Chassis strengthen kit (advised)
4 pot brakes up front
Coilovers with 300lb front springs
C20LET engine with F28 6 speed box (converted to 2wd)
Phase 2/Evo 5 chip
Exhaust (needed for conversion)
Air filter
Larger intercooler

You then have a car with about 280-300bhp, similar torque, and weighs about 900-950kg. (let the boffs do the power to weight ratio Vs a Supercar). For that lot excluding the car cost, your looking at about £2.5k for a cheapo conversion (lower spec brakes, suspension, 5 speed gearbox etc), and about £4k-£5k for the above proper spec and a "safer" animal. :lol:

A Mk1/Mk2 Golf with one of the VAG lumps is an awesome car, I love them. Big power, small weight, good chassis. Again, i think its about a £4k conversion, on the budget side, more than the Vauxhalls, but with similar fun. Again, i've seen a tuned VAG 1.8t golf doing 310km, but that was silly tuned (and a power band of about 2000rpm :lol: ).

Animals, expect to fight them all over the road, embarrase many "sports cars" and have a huge grin on your face the whole time. But be embarrassed about being in a small little car :lol:

Theres cheaper conversion that are better for track fun, but as a motorway straightline weapon, they are mental!!!! Speak to the wife, get a loan :lol:

Its why I can't get rid of mine, even though its sta for over 2 years now, I know if i strip it (mines a NA 2.0 16v), i'll miss it as nothing you buy as new will ever come close to how much fun you can have. No PAS, no ABS, no silly electronics or computers making it safe. Just a lot of power, FWD, lightweight shell, and brown pants :D

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I don't like 0-60mph, i don't think its a good way to compare a cars performance.

It is a good way of getting an idea of likely results from a traffic light grand prix though, which is what this thread is all about.

[Daimo]

It is a good way of getting an idea of likely results from a traffic light grand prix though, which is what this thread is all about.

Nahh its just because thats just below the legal limit. They can't produce stats for 0-100 as its illegal to do these speeds ;)

Traffic light races are poo. Much for fun taking it to Santa Pod to do. Proper track, safe, can get higher speeds and real times, and you can race your friends/other people for fun without worry.

But ;)

Of course we all have the odd play off the lights, but if thats your thing, get a 4WD, Pulsar GTi-R's are great as standard. 13 sec 1/4 mile, but a dodgy clutch/transmission if abused, but unless you get a super car come up next to you, your not gonna loose (excluded evos and such as much higher price range).

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Stop avoiding the question :wink:

[Demonz]

I raced a Holden Monaro (or Vauxal as they have been rebranded) a couple of years back. He had a rolling start at the lights as they were going amber green when we were pulling up to them. He got ahead of me and I started to catch up again - flew past him at 110 and thought I was so cool. I got home to check the spec on the car as I had a nagging feeling something wasnt right. His torque figures were enormous and top speed of 160 mph... :smt053

I decided then and there it was time to trade the SV. Couldnt handle getting my butt kicked. Only ever tried it again on a Porsche Cayman 4 thingy as he was driving like a nob - or is it knob) - anyway I thought I would join him for a bit.

One thing I dont do is race other bikes off the line - I dont really see the point in this...? Plus I'm rubbish at filtering so they always get me after.

[Daimo]

Stop avoiding the question :wink:

Most bikes should kill 95% of cars from the lights. Think the SV with its close ratio box actually has a really good 0-60 time (about 3.5 ish) which frankly will beat most cars...

From 70 onwards though ;)

Gmonster, aye, various ranging form 320bhp odd up to the supercharged VXR500 with 500bhp... For £35k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not insane acceleration, but smooth power all the way up the revs. Any gear, any speed, plant the throttle and it'll pull all the way up to about 170mph odd (standard 400bhp VXR version).

Top speed sucks, accelerations where its at.

Actually, i had a 07 R6 ask me for a play off some lights on the bandit (top box on too :lol: ). He pulled ahead obviously, but not by much at all, was quite suprised. Otherwise, thats the only bike light play i've had in 8 years road riding.... :lol:

More fun braking into corners and such.

Thats why i love both cars and bikes, each offer different thrills and experiences in different ways. :D :smt077

[riktherider]

I find most of the cars down here are too slow to race off the lights, i just let them get past me at the lights to satisfy there ego, then wheelie past them on the dualie. Bikes are more interesting becasue you know you are equally matched. i never race anyone when they dont want to. when im at the lights, i tend to go off easy, and if i hear/see them start to pull away then i floor it and race. still not big or clever...but it is fun.

[monkey]

Saw the best thing this afternoon. A fella on an MT 01 and someone on another sports bike I didn't catch pulled up at some traffic lights in Kilburn. I was on foot. A kid came up to the lights on a pushbike and was saying to the unidentified bike "Race? wanna race?". It made me grin from ear to ear.

:D

[-Ralph-]

Near my home there's a lot of young kids "cruising" in modified cars (and 2 -3 fatal accidents a month!). A lot of them do try to race you, they just wanna look big in front of thier mates, and see if thier car can take on a bike.

Was on a left curved motorway two lane slip on Wednesday in the outside lane, overtaking a row of cars in the inside lane nice and easy. A boy racer in a hot hatch had chased me round an was on my tail. The two lanes merged into one a hundred yards after the bend. It was another hot hatch at the front of the row of cars in the inside lane. As I drew past him the little ***** looked over, then floored it to race me to the lane merge. I had no where to go but forwards, so I had to lean in and open up, toes touching down as I powered through the wider bend of the outside lane.

Not a huge problem, but I'd have been left trying to slot into the row of cars behind him if the road had been wet and I couldn't power through, and the little ***** behind me was determined to get in on the action too so slowing down wasn't too appeaing either. Left the two hot hatches behind and they nearly came to blows at the lane merge.

My problem with boy racers is thier age and experience. The foot goes down long before the brain engages, and if the brain does engage, it usually makes a silly decision. They are far too unpredictable for my liking and I don't like having them around me when I'm on two wheels.

[-Ralph-]

Anybody noticed an increase in normally sane adults in cars and vans getting road rage when you filter thru to the front at a set of traffic lights in town? They get all upset and determined to beat you off the lights. The inertia of a tonne of metal means they have no chance, but you still see them sitting next to you edging forward and revving. It's Edinburgh I've noticed this change most. Glasgow drivers have always been nuts.

[monkey]

Anybody noticed an increase in normally sane adults in cars and vans getting road rage when you filter thru to the front at a set of traffic lights in town? They get all upset and determined to beat you off the lights. The inertia of a tonne of metal means they have no chance, but you still see them sitting next to you edging forward and revving. It's Edinburgh I've noticed this change most. Glasgow drivers have always been nuts.

Which is why when I filter to the front of a queue I put myself right in front of whoever's at the front. Stops them trying to cut you off. I've never had a problem doing this as opposed to pulling up on between traffic at the front. Risk being squashed then.

[northwind]

Yup. I've been told I filter "Like a ****ing savage", by one of our couriers :smt025Really overtly aggressive moves, never stop slowly when I can stop hard, never sit on the edge when I can stick it right up the middle, stuff like that. It's the only thing I do particularily well on a bike tbh. Since I started this, I've basically had no bother at all from people I've filtered past, I think the thought just doesn't start.

[Daimo]

-Ralph, aye theres some really headcase people in the scottish coasts. Gets really bad from what i hear. Not something proper car enthusiasts would do.

But I agree with everything else you say about young boyracers. Hence why there are so many young accidents.

And those types are the ones branded as boyracers and give everyone else the bad name.