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I'll want some cash protection soon for the new baby and don't want to use R and Gs as I'd have to cut the faring. GSG do some though and they also do a pivot pint slider. Anyone had any experience with GSG sliders?
They also do sliders for just about everything!
ASM-Forever
11-09-07, 06:58 AM
Just cut the fairing...as its just the bar coming through its not too bad really. I had to cut one side on the R6 and with the bung fitted, its not really visible.
R&G seem pretty spot on with the placement of bungs, in case of a crash. They are where they are for a reason to protect valuable/important parts of the bike. Personally i wouldn't fit my bungs in areas just because plastics don't need cutting!
Worst case scenario you buy a new fairing part.
Robw#70
11-09-07, 10:22 PM
Ive used GSG's for four seasons now and never had to replace one (with some pretty fast crashes) and unlike R+G's they dont damage the frame/snap bolts etc at the first sight of a crash(just flick through their catalogue and you'll notice every crashed picture shows a bent bung).
They fit really well so on impact they wear the puck away but stay straight.
And as previously said they are mounted in the best place for engine/frame protection regardless of bodywork.
I have removed a few sets of bungs that didn't need the bodywork cutting, the brackets had cracked due to vibration............ie had not crashed yet!!
DarrenSV650S
11-09-07, 10:35 PM
don't want to use R and Gs as I'd have to cut the faring.
No you don't.
http://www.rg-racing.com/browseBike/Suzuki/SV650_FullFaired/2003.aspx
northwind
11-09-07, 10:37 PM
GSGs are ace... I didn't think they did a "no cut" version, but IMO the thing to do is get the best protection you can and **** the fairing, I mean, cut the fairing ;) It's not hard and it doesn't look bad at all... Totally worth it for the extra protection I feel.
I don't use GSG, mainly because they were a bit hard to find when I last wanted bungs. I use Motosliders instead which I reckon are of the same standard, there's hundreds of US SVs with them fitted on SV RIder and yet not one complaint, report of damage or unwarranted failure. That's not just good, it's uncanny, considering the unreasonable expectations people have of crash protection. They're also cheap, and the parts are easy to get. Compare and contrast with R&G ;) Did have those, probably won't again.
Ive used GSG's for four seasons now and never had to replace one (with some pretty fast crashes) and unlike R+G's they dont damage the frame/snap bolts etc at the first sight of a crash(just flick through their catalogue and you'll notice every crashed picture shows a bent bung).
They fit really well so on impact they wear the puck away but stay straight.
And as previously said they are mounted in the best place for engine/frame protection regardless of bodywork.
I have removed a few sets of bungs that didn't need the bodywork cutting, the brackets had cracked due to vibration............ie had not crashed yet!!
I thought the fact that the bolt snapped on R and Gs was their trademark, ie they bend rather than snap off when you need them?
You're gonna have to explain the last bit again as I just didn't get it! Sorry. Which brackets had snapped? And what bungs did you remove?
northwind
11-09-07, 11:48 PM
ie they bend rather than snap off when you need them?
In my experience, yes, they bend or snap off when you need them. Whereas Motosliders and GSG don't, they just work. It's a balancing act, an indestructible bung would be dangerous as it'd be more likely to cause damage, a bung that's too weak will just fold up and not be very protective but is unlikely to cause damage. I think that's maybe why R&G err on the side of caution there and make their bungs too weak. They do still snap, though.
For comparison... Here's two very similiar lowsides, both provided by your crash test dummy here. The R&G one was the slower of the two.
Motoslider:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/Northwindlowlander/Picture033.jpg
R&G:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/Northwindlowlander/other/bentRandg.jpg
Cheers Windyman. That's settled it for me. GSGs it is. Motosliders don't do them for the Daytona. GSG do some nifty swingarm pivot sliders too, and Skyking do some rear subframe sliders too for the belt and braces approach on trackdays. What do you think Northwind?:
GSG moto
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1476/test1uc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
More GSG moto
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4876/test2gx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Skyking rear sliders
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5819/testfk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Well? Too much?
northwind
12-09-07, 12:36 AM
You know, I'd totally forgotten that it wouldn't be for the SV. However, I'm now going to pretend that I knew all along, and I was just using the motosliders as a nonspecific example of a crash bung ;)
That's a lot of bungs. I think I'd prefer fixed pegs instead, but then, if you break a fixed peg it's quite irritating :rolleyes:
Well the bottom pic has a pivot point slider too but it's solid aluminium which I don't fancy. Rather too many than not enough though eh? The SV will be up for sale very shortly.
John Burt
12-09-07, 09:39 AM
Link to csv please?
John Burt
12-09-07, 03:00 PM
Oops CSG a link to the sliders side.
No you don't.
http://www.rg-racing.com/browseBike/Suzuki/SV650_FullFaired/2003.aspx
Who said anything about SV's?
If the GSG mounts to a fairing bracket forget them. But if they are mounted as securely as R&G's but just don't require fairing to be cut, I would choose any product over R&G any day
Edit : And that was posted before I read to the end :razz: i pay attention to y'alls bikes!
That Swing Arm Pivot slider = I guess you have no intentions of using an Abba or NWS stand then? Otherwise go for it. How much the set?
Who said anything about SV's?
If the GSG mounts to a fairing bracket forget them. But if they are mounted as securely as R&G's but just don't require fairing to be cut, I would choose any product over R&G any day
Edit : And that was posted before I read to the end :razz: i pay attention to y'alls bikes!
That Swing Arm Pivot slider = I guess you have no intentions of using an Abba or NWS stand then? Otherwise go for it. How much the set?
Sorry people, I should've mentioned it's not for an SV!
No the GSGs don't mount to a fairing bracket, they mount onto an aluminium or alloy bracket very similar to the R and Gs (it's in the pics!). Think I'm definately going that way.
I haven't got an abba stand but might only use the rear sliders and pivot sliders on track days, well definately the rears-they're fugly!
For the lot-fork sliders, cotton reels or spindle sliders, pivot, main mushrooms and rear sliders it'd cost between 200 and 250 quid I think. I did think about getting a trackday faring but I'd still need mushrooms and it would cost a lot more in money and time.
P.S. Thanks for noticing it's not for an SV Stu but I reckon your eyes are better than your memory! He he he. ;)
Are spindle sliders better at taking a whack than cotton reels?
:)
Robw#70
13-09-07, 07:49 PM
You're gonna have to explain the last bit again as I just didn't get it! Sorry. Which brackets had snapped? And what bungs did you remove?
I'm not just talking about SV's, the most common ones seem to be ZX6/9's, there are a few companies that make protectors that mount on a stainless bracket that goes full width from engine bolt to bolt infront of the rocker cover, these snap from vibration.
But I have removed most makes of bung from crashed bikes at work, race and road and the GSG's never need frame repairs or endless time spent removing sheared bolts.
GSG's imported by PDQ www.pdq1.com
I'm not just talking about SV's, the most common ones seem to be ZX6/9's, there are a few companies that make protectors that mount on a stainless bracket that goes full width from engine bolt to bolt infront of the rocker cover, these snap from vibration.
But I have removed most makes of bung from crashed bikes at work, race and road and the GSG's never need frame repairs or endless time spent removing sheared bolts.
GSG's imported by PDQ www.pdq1.com (http://www.pdq1.com)
Oh I understand now! It all makes sense. Cheers Rob.
:)
jamessunhill
14-09-07, 12:18 AM
GSG's imported by PDQ www.pdq1.com (http://www.pdq1.com)
Thanks for the link. I think I'll be spending some money with them in the near future.
Sorry "teriyakimonkey" for stealing your thread.
Thanks for the link. I think I'll be spending some money with them in the near future.
Sorry "teriyakimonkey" for stealing your thread.
No probs. They seem the cheapest around.
By the way have you seen what some idiot had put on here?
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=1286808#post1286808
In my experience, yes, they bend or snap off when you need them. Whereas Motosliders and GSG don't, they just work. It's a balancing act, an indestructible bung would be dangerous as it'd be more likely to cause damage, a bung that's too weak will just fold up and not be very protective but is unlikely to cause damage. I think that's maybe why R&G err on the side of caution there and make their bungs too weak. They do still snap, though.
For comparison... Here's two very similiar lowsides, both provided by your crash test dummy here. The R&G one was the slower of the two.
Motoslider:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/Northwindlowlander/Picture033.jpg
R&G:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/Northwindlowlander/other/bentRandg.jpg
With the Motosliders, if you go down on the right side, I assume the muffler still takes a hit, but what else will get damaged?
Off topic: nice oil temp gauge--where did you get it? Our of curiosity, what is the typical oil temp in an SV ?
I spotted that. Nice.
A good way to stop your end can taking a whack is to get an underseat exhaust! He he he.
northwind
17-09-07, 12:29 AM
With the Motosliders, if you go down on the right side, I assume the muffler still takes a hit, but what else will get damaged?
Off topic: nice oil temp gauge--where did you get it? Our of curiosity, what is the typical oil temp in an SV ?
The exhaust touched down slightly at the front of the can... Not much damage, but enough to annoy me. The bike slid into a kerb so I'm not sure what damage it would have taken up front, I suspect none at all other than the barend and maybe mirror though. Oh, and the footpeg snapped off, but a folding one wouldn't have. Pretty much exactly the same as any other bung mounted on the main engine bolt, really. I used to have a set of the old R&Gs and the damage was almost identical after a slide.
northwind
17-09-07, 12:34 AM
Oh aye, and the oil gauge thing doesn't work very well :rolleyes: But it looks good. I'll probably be selling it soon though.
Here's an email I sent R and G questioning why they didn't make sliders with brackets instead of having to cut the faring. I received the reply today:
From: Darren
Sent: 07 September 2007 07:00
To: Tasha
Subject: Daytona 675 question
Hello. I've just bought a new Triumph Daytona 675 and am looking for some good crash mushrooms. I had the whole lot on my SV and they saved my bike once. I am a bit perplexed however that you have not done any that don't require the faring to be drilled. I am a member of a forum specifically for the new Daytona and the vast majority of members with crash protection steer clear from yours purely for this reason. Apart from the vanity issue there's concern that the bolts will bend (something I believe you are very proud of instead of the bolts shearing or damaging the frame) in an off causing the crash protector to then crack or split the faring. I understand that you may have made them for a very specific position on the bike but could you not make brackets to hold them like my 2003 SV650S had? I'm sure you'd sell more of them. Please forward this to your R and D department and ask them to let me know what their thoughts are.
Thanks, Darren.
Hi Darren,
Thanks for the mail.
We're aware that we could make easier sales by producing a "no-cut" kit but we are (in most of the trade's opinion) at the forefront of developing functional crash protectors, even when that means that we sell fewer. More and more people are happy to drill their panels, but we know that we can't convince everyone. We tend to convert the people who have used other protectors with weak brackets already and have learned from bad experience. On the SV and even on the new naked 675 Street Triple, we do offer protectors on a block (better to go off two engine mounts than one if practical), but on the Daytona 675 the block would not be strong enough in our opinion, as it needs to be very thin in places to mount behind the fairing. When we ask people to bore a hole in the panel we do ensure that the hole is much smaller than the main body of the protector and thus can't easily be seen. As for the bending and cracking the fairing issue - this is extremely rare and tends to be in extreme conditions where the bike hits road furniture - where no crash protector would have saved the panel anyway. I've attached a pic a customer sent us after a recent, low-speed spill. The engine bars we supply actually undergo more stress in low-speed spills than high speed ones, curiously - and this one hasn't cracked the panel - the panels are actually quite flexible and we ask that people bore a 28mm hole to accept the 24.5mm neck - so there is a little bit of leeway anyway.
I hope this helps you to make up your mind. BTW, Christian Elkin ran our protectors in the Brit series last year and had nothing but praise for them.
Kind regards,
Simon Hughes
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