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gettin2dizzy
14-09-07, 01:11 PM
got pulled out in front of again - by a wvm on his mobile (ffs!).
so...
philbut
14-09-07, 01:19 PM
WVM for me. they seem to react very aggressively towards bikes and hate being overtaken. To be fair, i used to drive a van and the visibility is poor, so i always approach them with caution if filtering.
i also think slow / nervous lost drivers are the cause of a lot of accidents because they do stupid stuff you arent expecting and will just stop without warning. went into the back of a woman once in the car who stopped after moving onto a completely clear round about because "oh i just thought i'd check it was clear again" - raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you stupid stupid cow, you do not stop on roundabouts (congestion and light aside of course). Rant over.
Samnooshka
14-09-07, 01:22 PM
I get it everyday on my way to work... i'd have to say though, The boy racer in the company white van whilst on his mobile!!!
Just winds me up but learnt to expect it now. My journey in the mornings takes me about 20 to 30 minutes... this week its been taking me over an hour!! and i leave before the school traffic!!! seems like everyone has had a holiday and left their brains in spain ;)
Hey ho!! there is always next week!
Eviltwin and I got hit by an old driver so that's what I voted. The police have told us that since hitting us he has voluntarily given up his driving licence so I guess he is less of a danger now.
Believe it or not I find that cyclists are a nightmare. They do not signal, jump red lights. swing out between cars, the list goes on........:smt013
People on Mobiles. Whether they think it or not, as soon as they are on the phone, the driving lines match that of someone who's drunk, swearving all over the road, can't control the cars out of junctions, roundabouts etc.
Older people (with money, i.e jags, mercs) who think they are rich hence own the road. They lost the use of indicators and mirrors years ago and the outside lane is just for them, and they will not move even if theres nothing in sight on the 2 lanes inside them.
Pedestrians, quite what the intelligence factor is when they walk out in front of you listening to their ipods without looking amazes me. Me on my 200kg bike doing 20mph Vs them walking in the road. Who's going to come off worse?
Cyclists, but only when they swerve accross lanes without looking or signalling they are going to do it. If your gonna throw a paddy because i didn't let you out, try looking next time. Or jsut feel my warth!!!
I usually find WVM are quite good going into the city, they always leave me room or move out the way to let the bikers past.
Old white van men who think they are young and constantly using mobiles..........
But seriously without a doubt it is people on mobiles, as Daimo says they are woprse than drunk drivers and are a constant source of annoyance on the A2 each day!!!
plowsie
14-09-07, 01:37 PM
All of em, they just dont see me!
stevehaskew
14-09-07, 01:53 PM
I agree about white van men, most of them are ok on my commute. I've not had a particular problem with any of those categories yet! I think "impatient people" should be on the list...
wyrdness
14-09-07, 01:55 PM
For me, at the moment, ped-f***ing-estrians. Especially those in Ealing who constantly cross the road in front of me without looking, usually when the red man at the crossing is lit.
Alpinestarhero
14-09-07, 02:01 PM
Everyone is dangerous. I ride as though no-one knows I'm there, and as if everyone is going to pull out on me.
People in cars don't see me, people on motorcycles think / know they are better riders and try and get past me even if its not safe to do so, boy racers are just dangerous, white van man is always up your bum, taxi man will U-turn in front of you, mum on school run is tending to kids / make up / whatever, business man in BMW is reading meeting notes (I have actually seen this on my way to college, back on the days of my scooter riding), and the list goes on
The best people are bus drivers and drivers of large lorries (HGV's). They know they are large, they know they are slow, they know that they can kill everyone else. So they look about.
Matt
gettin2dizzy
14-09-07, 02:14 PM
Everyone is dangerous. I ride as though no-one knows I'm there, and as if everyone is going to pull out on me.
People in cars don't see me, people on motorcycles think / know they are better riders and try and get past me even if its not safe to do so, boy racers are just dangerous, white van man is always up your bum, taxi man will U-turn in front of you, mum on school run is tending to kids / make up / whatever, business man in BMW is reading meeting notes (I have actually seen this on my way to college, back on the days of my scooter riding), and the list goes on
The best people are bus drivers and drivers of large lorries (HGV's). They know they are large, they know they are slow, they know that they can kill everyone else. So they look about.
Matt
you should try living in manchester! they frequently run red lights!
Or london.
Bus drivers physically will squeeze you out the way.
As for reading notes, i see this daily. BEard trimmers, lipstick appliers, i see it all.
These days, rather than letting it wind me up, i carry on and ignore it.
Alpinestarhero
14-09-07, 02:21 PM
Maybe its just in brighton the bus drivers arnt too bad.
Actualy thiking back, i did nearly get squished by a bus and also a lorry driver
So no group is perfect
Matt
ClemsonSV
14-09-07, 02:28 PM
This might sound a bit sexist, but over here it's pretty much true. Women and women on cellphones in their big SUVs.:smt013 When my girlfriend and I are driving around in the redneck-mobile she is usually the first to make the remark...."that must be a woman"...you know when you see somebody do something stupid and you guess the reason. We have an 85% success rate with these guesses! Getting your drivers license should be more challenging and require defensive driving school for moron drivers.
glsuk1970
14-09-07, 02:59 PM
Idiots on mobiles gets my vote. I must see at least 5 or 6 on my 30 mile round trip to work and back. The worst one was on Tuesday where the steering wheel attendant of a Mitsubushi BigMutha pulled out of a petrol station with the phone to his ear completely oblivious to me filtering past the queue of traffic. I swear he even saw me coming cause he paused for a good few seconds looking directly at me and then pulled out anyway. Either he was looking but didn't see (too busy nattering on his 'phone) or he thought, "F*** him, I'm 10 times his size!".
A classic manoeuvre is filtering past a queue of traffic and the driver suddenly realises there's a bike behind and violently swerve to the left in a fit of panic when there's absolutely no need, they're just oblivious to what's going on around them. Get the police out of cars and onto bikes and they might stand a change of catching a few more of these idiots.
Pedrosa
14-09-07, 03:08 PM
Much as many will baulk at reading this, I would be surprised to learn if,(just like here in Spain) the stats actually show anything other than the users of motorcycles and scooters being the most dangerous. All based on the actual number of accidents in relation to the ratio compared with other modes of transport being used on the roads.
"Let he who is without sin,caste the first stone."
kwak zzr
14-09-07, 03:13 PM
WVM ive hit one.
WVM ive hit one.
and bushes?
Flamin_Squirrel
14-09-07, 03:18 PM
Much as many will baulk at reading this, I would be surprised to learn if,(just like here in Spain) the stats actually show anything other than the users of motorcycles and scooters being the most dangerous. All based on the actual number of accidents in relation to the ratio compared with other modes of transport being used on the roads.
"Let he who is without sin,caste the first stone."
Who said anything about number of accidents? Who's the most dangerous on the road, the focus being on those who harm other people. Motorcyclists may hurt themselves alot, not so often they hurt others.
Saab Drivers!
They are the Volvo Driver for the new Milenium!
kwak zzr
14-09-07, 03:25 PM
and bushes?
yep tis a hobbie i want to get out of.
the_runt69
14-09-07, 03:27 PM
Believe it or not I find that cyclists are a nightmare. They do not signal, jump red lights. swing out between cars, the list goes on........:smt013
+ 1
Pedrosa
14-09-07, 03:29 PM
Who said anything about number of accidents? Who's the most dangerous on the road, the focus being on those who harm other people. Motorcyclists may hurt themselves alot, not so often they hurt others.
And where in the original post was your assumption, referring to those that hurt other road users mentioned? That is purely your own interpretation of it. Not forgetting also that there are many motorcycle accidents that hurt other motorcyclists, pedestrians and other vehicle users.
I remain with my original post then if that is ok with you. As after all with somewhat more years riding than your good self I have seen and heard of many instances where it is not just the biker and his machine that gets damaged. I am fully aware of the unnecesary mayhem we can cause.
Which other motor vehicle user do you consider to be the most dangerous to us motorcyclists?
But being specific to what I perceived as the original point of the thread, we motorcyclists as a group are involved in more accidents,(even single vehicle accidents) than any other group of users per % of vehicle numbers. We are therefore the most dangerous out there. Something we have to accept and deal with.
Flamin_Squirrel
14-09-07, 03:38 PM
But being specific to what I perceived as the original point of the thread, we motorcyclists as a group are involved in more accidents,(even single vehicle accidents) than any other group of users per % of vehicle numbers. We are therefore the most dangerous out there. Something we have to accept and deal with.
Meaningless statistic.
If 1,000,000 cars have an accident 0.1% of the time and 1,000 bikers have accident 50% of the time, that's still twice as many car accidents as bike accidents so the cars are more dangerous.
If the question is who is most dangerous towards me as a motorcyclist?
Other than myself, I would say it is the guy with the big fast car that doesnt give a sh*t about anyone else on the road. He doesnt give way on roundabouts, blocks you from filtering, never lets you in when turning into slow moving traffic, sits on your tail in traffic on the motorway, and you try any of the above and he sits on your tail at the next set of lights fuming and sometimes tries stupid things like swerve at you.
My pet annoyance in the car are truck drivers on the motorway or dual lane highways that pull out to try and overtake the other truck in front. Firstly they flash once before jumping into a gap they cant fit in, cause you as the driver they just cut up to brake sharply to let him in, causing the cars behind you to swerve into the inside lane to avoid you braking. Then he continues on for 2 minutes overtaking the truck holding up all traffic....
-Ralph-
14-09-07, 11:59 PM
I could vote for all of them, voted for young drivers rather than boy racers as there are plenty of 40 year old boy racers and most 17 year olds are more dangerous.
Young boy racers in powerful cars who think they are fast enough to take on a bike are a problem where I live. Because you are generally quicker than a car on a bike, it can come as surprise when you don't pass or leave behind a car in traffic because they are ragging it and trying to impress their mates with stories of how they "took on" this bike.
I agree about women in SUV's on phones. They just don't look. You feel like stopping at the next junction and banging on the window "put the goddamn phone away!".
stevehaskew
15-09-07, 12:13 AM
Stupid idiots on bicycles with no lights taking shortcuts across the exits of roundabouts. Just hit one and now I can't go on a rideout tomorrow :smt013
See thread: http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=1287869
ThEGr33k
15-09-07, 12:17 AM
I cheated. EVERYONE wins at this contest. Id say a young chav whitevan man on the mobile with a old person doing some back seat driving... No really i think there are a few, its hard to just group every WVM for exaample into a good/bad group :(
MR UKI (1)
15-09-07, 08:20 AM
R4W - Rav 4 Woman :smt013
Balky001
15-09-07, 03:02 PM
People driving whilst on mobiles should be shot repeatedly until dead. Thank you.
yorkie_chris
15-09-07, 07:30 PM
I agree about women in SUV's on phones. They just don't look. You feel like stopping at the next junction and banging on the window "put the goddamn phone away!".
They don't like you swearing on front of the kids [-X
Was a good laugh imagining the "mummy what does that word mean" conversation though...
gettin2dizzy
16-09-07, 04:05 AM
wow - noticed how the results suggest the young drivers are less of a threat- the complete opposite of insurance companies thinking
yorkie_chris
16-09-07, 08:05 AM
Young drivers might be a bit daft occasionally (me included), but rather them than some 90 year old fossil who can't see you even if they do look!
Biker Biggles
16-09-07, 09:06 AM
Attitude.
It matters little if you are WVM,Woman in Rav4,Young and inexperienced,Old and myopic,Over the limit(drink and drugs)Over the limit(speed)or anything else if you can temper your driving accordingly.But if you are any of the above or none of them and you drive like you believe you can walk on water you are dangerous.
Birchwood
16-09-07, 09:36 AM
horses - out at dusk, no light no reflective and piles of S*!t left on corners ... clean up after, use a ppoper scooper
yorkie_chris
16-09-07, 09:50 AM
Attitude.
It matters little if you are WVM,Woman in Rav4,Young and inexperienced,Old and myopic,Over the limit(drink and drugs)Over the limit(speed)or anything else if you can temper your driving accordingly.But if you are any of the above or none of them and you drive like you believe you can walk on water you are dangerous.
:winner:
DoubleD
16-09-07, 12:22 PM
All of them!
Eviltwin and I got hit by an old driver so that's what I voted. The police have told us that since hitting us he has voluntarily given up his driving licence so I guess he is less of a danger now.
Mr Lou was hit by an elderly lady, who totally blamed him, until the police issued her with a fine and points. She too gave up driving, thank goodness.
Lou x
I usually find WVM are quite good going into the city, they always leave me room or move out the way to let the bikers past.
That'll be me then! White Van Man/mobile engineer by day and a biker. I'm always courteous to bikes and get a lot of thumbs up! Couriers never thank me though. Don't know why they're allowed to be ignorrant.
:takeabow:
Ceri JC
16-09-07, 06:49 PM
Old people get my vote. Yes you get young (sub 25) boy racers, but you also get them in nicer cars (Scoobys, Evos) right through to about 50. Old people are one of the worst for attitude/accept they've done something wrong. Likewise many have failing senses and shouldn't really be on the road.
It also recently came to light that they are also statistically the most likely to pull out on you at junctions.
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