Teenage moped rider with 36 speeding tickets in two months

[Brian]

Here's someting I just spotted in yesterdays Daily Express which has well cheesed me off!!!!!

A teenage moped rider clocked up a record number of speeding tickets by being caught 36 times in two months.
He was even captured making offensive gestures to one camera as he zoomed past.
The 17 year old was filmed haring down four roads roads with fixed cameras.
In just one day, he was caught eight times riding at speeds of up to 16mph above the the limit.

He was pictured from as early as 10:30am and up until 10pm at night, speeding around the roads in a circuit often on his own.
Police arrested him after the film was passed to them by the camera partnership.
The youth, who cannot be named for legal reasons 'claimed' that his 50cc moped could not go faster than 30mph and that his speedometer had been broken in an accident.

At Fareham youth court, he admitted36 counts of speeding and "one" count of driving without due care and attention.
He was banned from the road for one year, fined £250 and told to pay £140 costs.
The Magistrate told him "there was total disregard for any of the laws and you have shown absolutley no responsibility in the way you rode".

But magistrates decided it was not in the public intrest for him to be named.
They added that they believed the punishment would be sufficient to stop him from offending again.

A sergeant from the Safety Camera Partnership said it was the most speeding tickets that he had seen handed out to one person.
He added "The moped he was riding would have been restricted to 30mph but it had obviously been altered due to the speeds achieved,-
The Partnership commits time and energy to identifying 'bikers' riding in this manner so as to keep the roads safer for all of us" .

Why wasn't this scrote, given back his licence with 216 points on it.
Why wasn't he fined £2160 in speeding fines.
Why wasn't he charged with 36 accounts of undue care and attention.
Why wasn't he charged with having no insurance due to riding a moped which had clearly been tampered with.
Why wasn't he charged for riding an un-roadworthy vehicle due to an aledged broken speedometer.

Sure he's lost his licence for a year and his insurance will rocket, but hey, next time he probably wont even bother getting insured let alone apply for another licence.
I think it's about time something was done about these 3 year CBT certificates, a 2-3hr CBT and your free on the roads for three years while the rest of us go through the stress of DAS or actually aiming to get and applying for our full licences etc.
And when their 3yr CBT expires they go out out do another couple of hours to get another certificate. i'm sorry but it f*c*s me off!!!!
I bet the little s**t is having the time of his life bragging to his mates.

Todays justice system is clearly taking the p**s!!!

:nomore::smt013:smt013:smt013

[SV Muppet]

This is one of many examples every day of people who get away with outrageous behaviour, receiving disproportionally low levels of punishment.

The Police arrest them... the courts slap their wrists!
British justice is indeed a farce:smt013

[the_lone_wolf]

The Partnership commits time and energy to identifying 'bikers' riding in this manner so as to keep the roads safer for all of us" .
real bikers know when to brake:rolleyes:

[StreetHawk]

Thats a pathetic punishment. Ban him for 5 years and fine him for every ticket. Or even lock him up for 6 months. No wonder people act like that when the justice system is so weak.

[injury_ian]

Why wasn't this scrote, given back his licence with 216 points on it.
Why wasn't he fined £2160 in speeding fines.
Why wasn't he charged with 36 accounts of undue care and attention.
Why wasn't he charged with having no insurance due to riding a moped which had clearly been tampered with.
Why wasn't he charged for riding an un-roadworthy vehicle due to an aledged broken speedometer.

Sure he's lost his licence for a year and his insurance will rocket, but hey, next time he probably wont even bother getting insured let alone apply for another licence.

I think you answerd the question yourself....

There'd be no point adding the points to his liecence as indeed, its very unlikely he'd go thru all the bother of getting it only for him to instantly be a 'totter'.

at least this way he might stay in the system (tho my bet is he wont).

CBT's last 2 years btw

[Wideboy]

could have guessed it would be down this way, they're all like that down here:smt013

[-Ralph-]

When I was learning, before 33bhp restriction and stuff, I think the CBT was for two years and if you hadn't got your full license within the time period you weren't allowed to ride for a year, before redoing your CBT. Has this changed?

[DarrenSV650S]

You're right about the two year cbt Ralph but I think you can just go and sit another cbt right after it runs out, you don't have to wait a year.

[yorkie_chris]

up to 16mph above the the limit.

What a tit, but hardly a speeding lunatic.

I bet everyone here has drifted over the limit a few times, just not been so f###ing daft as to get caught 26 times.

Chris

[Pedrosa]

Good on him! Where's your spirit of derring do?;)

[Brian]

CBT's last 2 years btw

Ah, ok I was wrong in that respect, allways thought it was 3 for some reason.

When I was learning, before 33bhp restriction and stuff, I think the CBT was for two years and if you hadn't got your full license within the time period you weren't allowed to ride for a year, before redoing your CBT. Has this changed?

Ralph, Darrensv650s is right.
When your CBT certificate runs out, you can immediatley just pop down to your local training place, do a couple of hours training and be on your merry way again.
When I was doing my DAS I spoke to a few people doing just that, and you can do it as many times as you like.
Sure they may not have luxury of riding a big bike etc, but the standard of some CBT passes i've seen has been poor to say the least, unable to perform a u-turn etc, yet they're still given a CBT pass.

What a tit, but hardly a speeding lunatic.

I bet everyone here has drifted over the limit a few times, just not been so f###ing daft as to get caught 26 times.

Chris

Yes, I won't deny the fact that i've broken the speed limit on many occasion.
But bearing in ming he's only riding a 50cc moped it probably wouldn't of been able to go much faster than 16mph over the limit.

It just ticks me off that here I am (aswell as many others) having gone the DAS etc route at 31yo, yet still holding a 2 year provisional licence.
If I accidently went through a speeding camera/red light camera twice then it's six points £120 in fines and that's me finnished, have to do the whole lot again, re-apply etc not to mention all the expense and stress of getting a full licence again.
It takes the p**s.

Where's your spirit of derring do?;)

Ahh, about eleven sir. ;)

[yorkie_chris]

unable to perform a u-turn etc,

It just ticks me off that here I am (aswell as many others) having gone the DAS etc route at 31yo, yet still holding a 2 year provisional licence.

Wish I could do the DAS route, damn 33bhp :smt013

But if you have had a car license (for >2yrs) before bike then you have the full 12 to play with, (or so I believe)
It's still better than a ban if you get the 6 points on your first license, at least you could go out and do the test within probably a month or 2.

As for the U turn thing, if its just U turns then I wouldn't care, never done one since the test, so long as they showed fair control.
Don't see a problem with people riding on CBT, let me learn how to ride a bike much better than lessons and gave me cheap transport when I needed it.

Chris

[Brian]

But that's the whole point of being able to perform a u-turn, to show you can control a bike/moped etc.

When I was doing my CBT the lad who was training with me who was riding a moped, he was performing u-turns on a normal suburbian street (about 4 meters wide) he mounted the curb and was practicaly in someones driveway, he was still given his CBT pass certificate an hour later and off he went.
I know a CBT pass is up to the discression of the training school etc, but still..

I know we all have to start somewhere and many of us don't have the luxury of being able to do DAS etc.
But if it were up to me, i'd like to see CBT passes approved only by the body who gives you your full licence, not individual training schools.

When I was doing my CBT, I was a bag of nerves, even though i'd ridden many many times before.
I was travelling around a roundabout, took a wrong turn and ended up heading off down a motorway slip-road for a few meteres or so before realising the MASSIVE error i'd made, all down to nerves/inexperience.
But still I was given a pass at the end of the day, I wouldn't of passed me, seriously, my riding skills were very good (balance/control etc), but my roadsence was diabolical.

I don't know why they don't just have a rack in the post offices etc with CBT pass certificates, saying "Please take one".

[thefallenangel]

Problem is if this was joe 6 pack monday-friday 9-5 he'd of had £2k in fines, been put all over the papers and never be allowed to drive again but because it's the local scrote he'll learn after a year. The only way they'll learn is to burn his chavped infront of him and a few Eminem, 50 cent albums and some fake silver bling from their mates mum stall down the local market.

/rant over

[northwind]

Hmm. If one of us got done for 15mph over the limit, I bet we'd all be saying how unreasonable it was and that speeding isn't neccesarily unsafe. But because he's a scrote on a moped he's public enemy number one. They could have given him fines he couldn't pay, or so many points that it would be a joke, but neither would really achieve anything, would they?

[busasean]

the whole system is a shower of ****, the law, the courts and the lazy spineless parasites that are the "scamera" partnership. i get caught doing 75 on a duel carrigeway (that was a 60 limit) on a bright sunny day with no traffic and i get a £780 fine. 1 offence, he has 36 offences all in 30 mph limits (i.e houses, shops etc etc). i wonder why i got the higher fine? could it be because i can/will pay. lazy policing i'm afraid. i think a higher fine wouldnt have achieved anything, but he could have been punished in other ways.


****ing hell northwind, just noticed your post count!!!!!

[Brian]

In hindsight I agree with you Northwind, it would be silly to give him hundreds of points and fines that he quite possibly couldn't pay, I was in a slight rage in my first post.

But, as he is employed, can afford a moped/scooter and insure it etc, then why shouldn't he have to pay the full cost of his crimes, even if it was by installments that took a year to pay off etc, a couple of grand isn't a great deal of money.

I guess the biggest thing that annoyed me is how lightly he got off.
And that's the problem, as his fine/punishment etc was so light, where is the deterrent for future crimes of this nature, people like this need to be made an example of for this very reason.

Bri

*edit*

One point that I didn't include in my first post is that he is currently employed as a mechanic, not that i've anything againsed mechanics (I used to be one).
Just that if he has a job/income then he should pay the full cost of his fines.

[Wideboy]

i herd on the news today they are trying to push a bill or what ever to say that when caught speeding it they want to give 6 points instead of 3, means all new drivers / riders within the 2 yr thingy including me would loose they're license :smt013

not to say i purposely speed

[thefallenangel]

i herd on the news today they are trying to push a bill or what ever to say that when caught speeding it they want to give 6 points instead of 3, means all new drivers / riders within the 2 yr thingy including me would loose they're license :smt013

not to say i purposely speed


that's ******** because i could go round speeding all the time and never get caught and little miss perfect who doesn't even know where the local police station is and is more law obiding than everyone else in the country goes 1 mph over the speed limit by accident gets caught and loses her license. Were not machines we need room for error.

[Wideboy]

that's ******** because i could go round speeding all the time and never get caught and little miss perfect who doesn't even know where the local police station is and is more law obiding than everyone else in the country goes 1 mph over the speed limit by accident gets caught and loses her license. Were not machines we need room for error.

yeah i know i cant find it know was on bbc news but i look on there weby and theres nothing about it

[Brian]

Were not machines we need room for error.

I can remember one time, not long after I had got my licence:
I was on my way to Shrewsbury on my own, it was in the winter, dark, raining and it was the longest journey i'd ever done on my own (only 88 miles or so).

I was having to follow all road signs to get there as I didn't know the route or roads.
I came to one roadsign (one of the big green ones) to see which turn off I needed to take, this particular roadsign was right infront of a major set of traffic lights.
Anyway, as I was concentrating on which turnoff to take the lights changed to red (sods law) as the road was wet and on a slight downward slope (and probably soaked with oil/diesel) my wheels locked and I overshot the redlight by about 6ft.

If, there would of been a redlight camera there and the new proposed law that Wideboy mentioned was in place then it would of been bye bye licence and social life.
All due to a poorly placed road-sign and crappy road surface.

Like Wideboy said, people do need room for error, we're not machines.
It's surprising how poorly some roadsigns are placed, I've even seen illuminated advertising boards plonked right in front of traffic lights.

But the lad with 36 speeding tickets was clearly taking the Michael, putting two fingers up when being snapped by the camera etc, he knew exactley what he was doing.

[derbybiker]

i herd on the news today they are trying to push a bill or what ever to say that when caught speeding it they want to give 6 points instead of 3, means all new drivers / riders within the 2 yr thingy including me would loose they're license :smt013

not to say i purposely speed

The bit I saw (on teletex) was 6 points for refusing to name the driver not for the speeding offence.

[-Ralph-]

Ralph, Darrensv650s is right.
When your CBT certificate runs out, you can immediatley just pop down to your local training place, do a couple of hours training and be on your merry way again.
When I was doing my DAS I spoke to a few people doing just that, and you can do it as many times as you like.

Yeah, I know you can do that now, but I'm pretty sure this is a law change and there was a time limit on it back in 1991/92 ish when I was learning. CBT was just a new thing if I remember right too. I remember my mates having to get lessons and stuff to get their tests done so that they weren't forced off the road for a year. No 33hp, age 21 DAS, theory test or anything like that then either. Anybody else remember this or am I getting dimensia?

As for the 16mph bit, it's not the end of the world, but sounds like this guy rode round and round setting off the cameras for fun, just to test the system and see if his "a moped cant do more han 30" excuse would hold up

[northwind]

But, as he is employed, can afford a moped/scooter and insure it etc, then why shouldn't he have to pay the full cost of his crimes, even if it was by installments that took a year to pay off etc, a couple of grand isn't a great deal of money.


I think the fines are means tested... Not 100% on that but I remember a mate of mine lying about his income, and getting caught out, and getting destroyed for it :rolleyes: It makes sense, there's no set fine that'd be a deterrant for everyone.

[Brian]

I think the fines are means tested... Not 100% on that but I remember a mate of mine lying about his income, and getting caught out, and getting destroyed for it :rolleyes: It makes sense, there's no set fine that'd be a deterrant for everyone.

I agree, a set fine would probably work wonders.
I mean, these days if you're caught driving/riding without insurance your vehicle is taken from you and quite possibly crushed, I think the same applys to road-tax evasion, though i'm not 100% sure on that.

[Sosha]

The Kid is undoubtably a tit but there are worse things he can do than lap a block or two. A 'Ped doing more than 30 aint exactly shock horror..

He's lost his license...which is pretty major. I'd not say no to giving out a decent speeding fine but make it payable through community service or something - after all he should have more time on his hands now...

[Brian]

A 'Ped doing more than 30 aint exactly shock horror..
His speed isn't the issue, the issue is he went through '36' speed cameras in 2 months, each time knowing 'exactley' what he was doing.

He's lost his license...which is pretty major.
Not really, next year he'll re-apply for another prov licence, do his theory, CBT and off he goes again.
Granted, getting insured again may be a toughie, if he bothers...

[sv_rider1990]

lol ive got a ped but got to agree 100% most 16 year olds with peds are absolute di*ks. Spesh the ones with tinted visors really do think there somethings special lol! But i have'nt been caught or fallen off and i do like to think that i am a safe rider but really cant wait to be able to ride my SV650S sat in the garage atm gathering dust and i really cant wait till i can ride it lol

[Brian]

lol ive got a ped but got to agree 100% most 16 year olds with peds are absolute di*ks. Spesh the ones with tinted visors really do think there somethings special lol! But i have'nt been caught or fallen off and i do like to think that i am a safe rider but really cant wait to be able to ride my SV650S sat in the garage atm gathering dust and i really cant wait till i can ride it lol

I used to ride a moped myself mate when I was in my teens, a bright yellow Honda Melody, oh how I was mocked lol.

I don't want people to think I have a grudge againsed all moped riders, most of them just use them as cheap means of commuting or are building up to a bigger bike etc.

What does tick me off, are the ones who think they're above everyone else and the law, also how lightly they get off and how easy it is for them to get back on the road.

[chunkytfg]

WHy was someone (on page one) making the point that he was uninsured beacuse the ped was derestricted?

He was 17 so perfectly within his rights to derestrict it should he so chose

[Brian]

WHy was someone (on page one) making the point that he was uninsured beacuse the ped was derestricted?

He was 17 so perfectly within his rights to derestrict it should he so chose
Because he was in mid-rant, very tired (note time of post) and clouded by rage lol.

[vzzzbuxt]

shocking youth behaviour there!