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[Frank]

Riding along and minding my own buisness,when out from behind a fence stepped the nice policeman.Usual questions,is this your bike,where you going,bla bla bla.Was then ask to accompany him across the road to the local school to join the line of other unfortunates who were obvious guility of the most hideous of crimes,that of daring to go out on two wheels.
For every bike that passed that way there must have been 50 cars,but no matter how hard I looked I couldnt see where the line of cars were hiding.
Third time in 4 weeks this has happened.***************ggrrrrrrrr.
Weston-s-Mare.
Bl**dy town is full of boy racers driving round like a bunch of tunes on acid but we are obviously much worse.
Thoughts on this would be good

[SV Muppet]

Note the dates and times etc and write to the local Superintendant voicing your concerns about the local boy racers and ask why it is that two wheelers appear to be being victimised.
Get it signed by as many bikers as you can and also send a copy to the local rag so that you're more likely to get a reply (bad publicity won't be welcome).
:rant:

[Brian]

So you were not speeding or anything like that?
I could understand if you were speeding/being an @rse, but as it was only bikes being pulled then I can see this was probably not the case.

So what happened when you got to the school with the other bikers?
Can imagine it would of been quite intimidating/humiliating all those kids gawping at you thinking you're the Devil himself, is that what happened?

If I got pulled i'd of asked him what the charge/reason was if no charge etc, then i'd of told him to get bent (but not in those words) lol.

[Ratty46]

If I got pulled i'd of asked him what the charge/reason was if no charge etc, then i'd of told him to get bent (but not in those words) lol.[/quote]

my thoughts exactly!...

not been pulled yet, strange really, living in london i thought i would get a tug...not yet....not that it matters, cos im legal!:smt071

[SV Muppet]

If the officer didn't explain what you were pulled in for then that is something else to question. This was obviously some sort of operation and you should have had that explained to you. :riding:

[Xan173]

Note the dates and times etc and write to the local Superintendant voicing your concerns about the local boy racers and ask why it is that two wheelers appear to be being victimised.
Get it signed by as many bikers as you can and also send a copy to the local rag so that you're more likely to get a reply (bad publicity won't be welcome).
:rant:

Take their number and write a complaint - you have no idea how much hassle it is for a copper when a complaint comes in from a law abiding citizen.

[Ratty46]

xan- that does work!
they hate it when you ask for their number...lol

dont get me wrong i'm not rude to the police, if they are ice to me i'm nice back, but if they get ****ty i get ****ty!, they shouldnt be pulling you over without a valid reason.

[Lozzo]

Riding along and minding my own buisness,when out from behind a fence stepped the nice policeman.Usual questions,is this your bike,where you going,bla bla bla.Was then ask to accompany him across the road to the local school to join the line of other unfortunates who were obvious guility of the most hideous of crimes,that of daring to go out on two wheels.
For every bike that passed that way there must have been 50 cars,but no matter how hard I looked I couldnt see where the line of cars were hiding.
Third time in 4 weeks this has happened.***************ggrrrrrrrr.
Weston-s-Mare.
Bl**dy town is full of boy racers driving round like a bunch of tunes on acid but we are obviously much worse.
Thoughts on this would be good

I'd be inclined to just ride off slowly and carefully to see if they follow me home, If I'd been pulled that many times in so few weeks. A swift phone call to the local papers usually puts a stop to this sort of victimisation.

[metalmonkey]

Under the road traffic, you can be stopped for just a document check that can the reason being used for the stop. Unless you were doing something else, or something on the bike didn't look right. e.g tiny plate

Though you should have been given a reason for being stopped, I think its rude not too, it should be done.

[kitkat]

what did they do when all parked up? We get stopped up here quite a lot but its usually just for a chat about visors, plates, exhausts, speed etc then sent on our way. not too much of a hassle really. everytime I have been stopped they police have been polite and when it comes down to it, just doing their job.

[Keith1983]

what did they do when all parked up? We get stopped up here quite a lot but its usually just for a chat about visors, plates, exhausts, speed etc then sent on our way. not too much of a hassle really. everytime I have been stopped they police have been polite and when it comes down to it, just doing their job.


Sorry Kitkat but I totally disagree. Whilst Im not suggesting being rude is the way forward as I think you shoul dbe polite unless given reason not to! I totally disagree that they are doing their jobs after all how often are car drivers pulled over just for a chat about their daft exhausts, speed, being on their phones, smoking etc? Exactly never. Car drivers only get stopped with a reason whereas it is seemed to be ok to pull bikers over just for the sake of it!

[21QUEST]

Sorry Kitkat but I totally disagree. Whilst Im not suggesting being rude is the way forward as I think you shoul dbe polite unless given reason not to! I totally disagree that they are doing their jobs after all how often are car drivers pulled over just for a chat about their daft exhausts, speed, being on their phones, smoking etc? Exactly never. Car drivers only get stopped with a reason whereas it is seemed to be ok to pull bikers over just for the sake of it!

Keith, I think you need to err "harden the feck up" lol..........sorry couldn't resist ;)


Ben

[dirtydog]

Sorry Kitkat but I totally disagree. Whilst Im not suggesting being rude is the way forward as I think you shoul dbe polite unless given reason not to! I totally disagree that they are doing their jobs after all how often are car drivers pulled over just for a chat about their daft exhausts, speed, being on their phones, smoking etc? Exactly never. Car drivers only get stopped with a reason whereas it is seemed to be ok to pull bikers over just for the sake of it!


I think what kitkat is trying to say there is they are probably doing as they are told by the powers that be, if that is to stop bikes then they'll stop bikes. So if that is the case then yes they are doing their job.

[squirrel_hunter]

Gid - I'm down in Weston-Super-Mud now and again visiting the 'rents. Could you let me know of days, times, and roads they operate on so I know which ones to avoid. I've not seen any of this so my route is possibly off their radar, but wouldn't mind knowing.

[kitkat]

Sorry Kitkat but I totally disagree. Whilst Im not suggesting being rude is the way forward as I think you shoul dbe polite unless given reason not to! I totally disagree that they are doing their jobs after all how often are car drivers pulled over just for a chat about their daft exhausts, speed, being on their phones, smoking etc? Exactly never. Car drivers only get stopped with a reason whereas it is seemed to be ok to pull bikers over just for the sake of it!

no need to be sorry keith, everyone is entitled to their opinion. the last time we were stopped as a group, the police man stated that his bosses have told him to stop bikers to discuss plates, speed etc. he took our registrations so that he could prove he had pulled bikes and not just said I have pulled 23 bikes today. We all had tinted visors (he stated they were a good idea on sunny day but we should carry plain visor in case we get delayed) he is only bothered by tiny plates. It happens every year up here due to the amount of bikers killed (usually tourists). I understand its not fair but we are roughy toughy bikers and can handle it surely ;-)

[lukemillar]

Jeez, you guys whinge a lot! It's an injustice to be stopped for no reason and have your documents checked, yet if you get hit by an uninsured/unlicenced driver/rider, then you'd be the first to scream and shout about why these riders are on the roads!

This used to happen in London all the time - It's 5/10 mins stop - no big deal. Always friendly and courteous about it - just doing their jobs. You just need to live and let live sometimes.

[Sosha]

Got stopped in the middle of turning onto gunnesbury Avenue on the way to work once.... for a " safety survey" Got told my kit was good but I ought to be wearing better shoes which was fair enough...

Fortunately I wasn't told to turn off the engine or I'd have had to put my running shoes to good use running along the road to bump the bike which (apart from being akward due to the traffic being rather heavy) would have created altogether the wrong impression..:rolleyes:

[timwilky]

I had a mate who was a baker, consequently he would be on his way to work, when most people would be on their way home from clubs etc.

He was so fed up of being pulled, he went into the local polices station and asked for a permit to be out after dark. When told there was no such thing and to stop being a prat, he told them that if he got another of these, and handed over 4 producers for the one week, that he would make a complaint of harrasment.

He was told there was a local initiative to cut down on bike theft, but his information would be passed to the relevant people. It was a further 3 months before he got his next producer. So complaints or the threat of them can work

[Toypop]

I'd like to know what the queue was for that the original poster had to join?

At the end of the day if I am going about my lawful day to day business using a motorcycle I don't expect to be stopped without good reason and then have further time wasted.

They can issue me a producer as I don't carry all my docs and then I will be on my way. If they want to hold me further then they can arrest me.

I wouldn't expect them to stop my car on the way to work and make me pull off into a school and join a queue. The fact that in this situation he might have been on a bike and not travelling to his place of work should have no bearing on it.

[Ceri JC]

I'd like to know what the queue was for that the original poster had to join?

At the end of the day if I am going about my lawful day to day business using a motorcycle I don't expect to be stopped without good reason and then have further time wasted.

They can issue me a producer as I don't carry all my docs and then I will be on my way. If they want to hold me further then they can arrest me.

I wouldn't expect them to stop my car on the way to work and make me pull off into a school and join a queue. The fact that in this situation he might have been on a bike and not travelling to his place of work should have no bearing on it.

What he said. I'd have no problem with a spot check (might get a stolen bike recovered that way, after all). I would have a problem having to "join a line". Unless people were clearly doing something naughty, they should have only pulled in as many people as they could process at any given time IMO. I'd write a complaint if I was delayed unduly.

[northwind]

how often are car drivers pulled over just for a chat about their daft exhausts, speed, being on their phones, smoking etc? Exactly never. Car drivers only get stopped with a reason whereas it is seemed to be ok to pull bikers over just for the sake of it!

I'm not so sure about that... Spend any time with hot hatch guys or young drivers and you will hear this: "The police stopped me for my exhaust/bodywork/to warn me about x, why are they always hassling us, they never bother bikers with their loud exhausts and they're way faster than us..." Grass is always greener...

To some extent it's justified too, bikers do have more single vehicle accidents than we should, proportionally, so catching us where we gather and saying "watch out" isn't too unreasonable. But it's annoying when it happens I know. Plus, sometimes it's very badly handled, I got made 15 minutes late for work one day because the traffic copper involved thought my tyres were illegal- he was going backwards and forwards on the radio to figure out what the law was. That's really shoddy. (in his defence, he thought he'd just caught me with no tax, because I'd forgotten to change the discs :rolleyes:)

[neio79]

I have never been pulled on my bike yet!!

But I don’t see the need to be pulled by a traffic cop for a docs check unless the ANPR camera has flagged up a warning about something.

If it was me and I was told to stand I a line like a kid knowing I have not done anything then I would just get bored and calmly walk off as I would not be under arrest so they can’t keep me there for no good reason.

I would not generally be bothered if I get pulled after all I have all the relevant clean licences and insurance MOT’s and tax so nothing to be worried about.

[-Ralph-]

If I got pulled i'd of asked him what the charge/reason was if no charge etc, then i'd of told him to get bent (but not in those words) lol.

Exactly the reason I keep my bike legal, I don't have a nice can (I will be getting one), but once I do I'll keep the baffles in. So I can say, your welcome to check my bike, I'm licensed, MOT'd, taxed, insured, I wasn't speeding, so if your happy with my tyre treads - bugg3r off! Nothing winds them up more than realising they've got nothing on you.

I've got no problem with getting pulled, and when you get pulled en mass in the popular biking spots the coppers are usually pretty cool (often they are bike cops), they are enjoying a sunny day out in the sticks too and on a pleasure ride you don't really mind the stop or the chat. But round about where I live the local cops are just arsey and act superior most of the time and as Northy noted, don't understand biking law, that hacks me off.

Being told to join a line in the middle of town for no reason just isn't on. Makes you feel like a convict on parade.

[northwind]

On the other hand, if they did understand biking law then every time I've been stopped they'd have had me for exhaust, plate and visor :D And I think it does help to bear that in mind, far more bikers are riding in some way illegally than drivers, as a percentage, or at least that's my belief. We're doing it in a harmless, sometimes even beneficial way, but it's still illegal. Which is why I don't grumble too much when I get stopped "for no reason" :)

[Bluepete]

Still not heard what Gid had to stand in line for? Did he get a ticket for anything? Was standing in line an alternative to prosecution for something?
We occasionally crack down on seat belts. We offer an alternative to the ticket of a visit to the Fire Station (we set up "Shop" right outside) to watch a VERY powerfull video and a look at some real RTC pics involving heads through windscreens etc. Takes about 5 minutes all in.

[Ceri JC]

And I think it does help to bear that in mind, far more bikers are riding in some way illegally than drivers, as a percentage, or at least that's my belief.

Yes, this is probably true, especially when it comes to insurance. I'm sure more than 1 in 20 (the figure often quoted for cars) are technically uninsured due to undeclared mods. Ironic, isn't it, that the government's own reports describe us as the most courteous road users (even if it is self-serving not wanting to crash that causes this) and that we are aside from professional drivers, we are the most highly trained road users? :)

[Frank]

well Ive been asking about and there appeers to be two schools of thought,none of these are mine of course,just the banter.
Thought one.there have been a few thiefts lately
thought two(most popular)Weston is full of and relies on visiting older people for a lot of its income,and loads of bikers ,"with their long hair and loud bikes" can be very off putting.The hotteliers and tourist trade have had a slow summer,and need the trade that coaches full of olds bring in the autumn.Money speaks.
Any way,I'm not saying the above are correct,and rumours soon spread,lets wait and see.

[phil24_7]

I used to get pulled 3-4 times a week due to my job and social habbits, my dad made a complaint to the police and told them if they carried on then he'd be looking at going down the harrasment route, didn't get pulled for ages!!

When they started pulling me again, one copper told me my car was black marked meaning a pull everytime I was seen, more or less, shortly after this I couldn't get pulled, even when I tried. I have a hunch they thought I was some evil criminal (due to some of the people I knew) and so were waiting to get me for something serious!!

Nowadays, I only get pulled when I've done something wrong and they're always courtious.

Regards

[Pedro68]

Phil, I used to get that a lot too ... I worked in a pub and was frequently seen walking out of the pub at gone midnight, jumping in the car and driving off ... so I got pulled and breathalysed or given a producer ... it never bothered me though cos I used to have fun with it:
Copper: "Evening sir, is this your vehicle?"
Me: "No ... it's my dad's"
Copper: "Oh, and are you insured to drive it?"
Me: "Yes, of course"
Copper: "Couldn't help notice that you had just left the pub ... have you had a drink tonight sir?"
Me: "Yes I've had a few"
Copper: "Oh right, and what have you had to drink"
Me: "Errr, half a lager and 3 or 4 glasses of fresh orange".
Copper: "And how long have you spent in the pub this evening sir?"
Me: "Ooh lets see ... about 4 hours".
Copper: "And that's ALL you've had to drink? That's very restrained of you sir ..."
Me: "Well I don't drink & drive, and I'm not allowed to drink alcohol WHILST WORKING, hence the orange juice. I had the half a lager just before I started my shift"
Copper [quote clearly disgruntled now]: "You work in the pub? Ok on your way!"

It got to the stage where I got pulled and the copper even told me my address and that I was driving my dad's car, and on my dad's insurance, and he even told me my fathers name before he said, "yeah, you do get stopped quite regularly don't you? sorry son, you're free to go".

I never once saw it as "harassment" ... although one female copper did annoy me once when she suggested that "we've had reports of a car similar to this being stolen ... a silver VW passat" ... my reply was none too helpful/accommodating and got me breathalysed for my trouble ... and all because I had the audacity to say, "Firstly, this car is metallic GREEN ... NOT SILVER. Secondly, you expect me to believe that you are trying to trace a stolen car and the owner did not give you the REGISTRATION? And finally, why would ANYONE in their right mind want to nick a 10 year old VW Passat Estate?? It's hardly the ideal getaway car is it?" (I'd had a hard night, so wasn't really in the mood for being pulled). She got all ar$ey with me then, and I got a producer AND breathalysed, but since the car WAS my dad's and I hadn't been drinking, everything was good :)

[phil24_7]

Amazing the "FUN" you can have when your all legal and haven't done anything wrong.

I love the question "have you been drinking" and will answer yes alot of the time and when they ask what tell em about 4 pints this evening. Only to go on to tell them, it was 4 pints of cola.

They absolutely hate it and it's all because they didn't ask the correct question "have you consumed any alcohol this evenin"!

Another is when your a passenger, just get out of the car and go sit on a wall nearby, when they come to speak to you, tell em to clear off (as your the passenger they have no right to stop or question you and they have no right to knowing your name). The amount of times my mate has told em to F-off because of this is unreal!

I don't hate coppers, nor even dislike them (there are a few c**ts as in any walk of life) but I know my rights and when I get an A**E of a copper I will play with them and have as much fun with them as posible!

[Ceri JC]

Another is when your a passenger, just get out of the car and go sit on a wall nearby, when they come to speak to you, tell em to clear off (as your the passenger they have no right to stop or question you and they have no right to knowing your name). The amount of times my mate has told em to F-off because of this is unreal!


Yes, when my friend got pulled and I was a passenger, I got out of the car went to the shop, then came back, got my takeaway out of the footwell and started eating it, whilst sitting in listening to them talking to my friend. I wondered why they didn't say anything, I didn't realise why. :)

[RhythmJunkie]

Crazy thing is, the police who do this "educating" of drivers will jump in their own cars and quite happily speed all the way home.
To say, "I've seen them do it", might be stating the obvious!!

I moved over for a 'traffic car' last week, blues flashing and siren blaring, round a large very busy roundabout at 8.15am. After negotiating the roundabout they seemed to slow right down. They pulled into the police MOT & servicing centre 200 yards further down the road. Pathetic!

[Ceri JC]

Crazy thing is, the police who do this "educating" of drivers will jump in their own cars and quite happily speed all the way home.
To say, "I've seen them do it", might be stating the obvious!!


Oh yes, I've seen them go past my house (right next to a school I might add) at 60mph (in a thirty). The same people sit in a camera van at a bottom of a hill (which should be a 40 anyway) and catch anyone who charges up the hill, or comes a bit quick down it. It really instills respect for them in me.

[-Ralph-]

Crazy thing is, the police who do this "educating" of drivers will jump in their own cars and quite happily speed all the way home.
To say, "I've seen them do it", might be stating the obvious!!

I moved over for a 'traffic car' last week, blues flashing and siren blaring, round a large very busy roundabout at 8.15am. After negotiating the roundabout they seemed to slow right down. They pulled into the police MOT & servicing centre 200 yards further down the road. Pathetic!

I followed a fully marked police car down the M8 about 1/4 mile behind him at a steady 95 mph for 15 miles until I left the motorway a week or two ago. No blues and two's or nothing. Got home from work nice and quick 'cos all the usual fast lane loiterers moved over (for those down south the M8 is a two lane motorway).

[Blue Flame]

(for those down south the M8 is a two lane Car Park).

That's more like it. :-P