View Full Version : Disturbing vid - should be shown on a safety ad or not?
thebluelion
30-09-07, 07:51 PM
Just found this vid on liveleak its a bit disturbing and grafic but drives home the point.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=275_1190800481
Wideboy
30-09-07, 07:58 PM
wow that was strong, poor bloke
thebluelion
30-09-07, 08:08 PM
Heres another one now if these people cant see a tram what chance have us bikers got
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=01d_1190287711
thebluelion
30-09-07, 08:13 PM
by the way im i posting in the right section?
Wideboy
30-09-07, 08:15 PM
by the way im i posting in the right section?
don't know maybe, its about bikes
thebluelion
30-09-07, 08:19 PM
lol
fizzwheel
30-09-07, 08:26 PM
by the way im i posting in the right section?
Bike related so yep IMHO you're in the right place.
thebluelion
30-09-07, 08:33 PM
Thats it no more illegal parking for me lol
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb9_1189864311
Wideboy
30-09-07, 08:40 PM
only a scooter no loss there:lol:, but that bloke in the anti blast suit has got to have some big cerhonays (spelling)
thebluelion
30-09-07, 08:46 PM
try gonads lol
Warthog
01-10-07, 09:35 AM
cojones I think... mexican pronunciation. I haven't watched the vids, I don't like real live disturbing bike accident videos :(
kwak zzr
02-10-07, 08:28 AM
wow that ram's it home dont it:(
Pedro68
02-10-07, 08:30 AM
I watched the 2nd half of that vid with my hand over my open mouth :( it's terrible ... and should be made a part of EVERY road users education ... shocking it was.
Biker Biggles
02-10-07, 09:55 AM
I like the tram one too.Those cars are doing the equivalent of turning right and not looking in the mirror at what is coming up behind.Its the same as the classic bike accident with a right turner pulling out while a bike is filtering up the outside and shows just how common it is for the car driver to only look at oncoming traffic.In this case they all got their come uppence as the tram is a bit bigger than a bike,but poetic justice rarely works in our favour.
Our best defence is to always assume the numpty is going to do it.
...the classic bike accident with a right turner pulling out while a bike is filtering up the outside and shows just how common it is for the car driver to only look at oncoming traffic...
This is going to be a really unpopular unpopular comment, but anybody, ANYBODY daft enough to filter past a car turning right (bearing in mind that the driver must at least slow down, if not signal) needs their head examining. If we're going to wax lyrical about car drivers not paying attention, we must set a better example; judging speed and distance better, observing further ahead and more of the road etc. I know for a fact that when I was turning right into a junction, I didn't look for bikes trying to OVERTAKE me. I got hit by a cyclist doing exactly that same thing; she either didn't see the indicator flashing, didn't see me brake, didn't see I was on a rounderbout, or just didn't give a sh*t, but she ate bonnet either way. Darwinism.
My point is, riding for what's in front of your nose and then whining when you're hit by a car stopped opposite a junction and SURPRISE SURPRISE it turns! zOMG!!1 just makes us all look like whining idiots.
We all need more education. Absolutely all of us.
(I know not all occasions are as clear cut as the one I outlined. No flames, please).
Pedro68
02-10-07, 11:09 AM
ANYBODY daft enough to filter past a car turning right (bearing in mind that the driver must at least slow down, if not signal) needs their head examining.
Nope, I think you are bang on there m8 ... however I believe that Biker Biggles meant a car turning right OUT of a junction as the biker filters down the queue of (possibly stationary) traffic.
Now as a rule, I tend not to filter down the outside of queues of traffic in the vicinity of junctions, but if I get fed up waiting, then I WILL DO IT ... however I am very wary of junctions and I SLOW RIGHT DOWN when actually crossing the path of any junction.
My 2p worth ;-)
Pete
If there's a right turning, then I don't overtake - period.
If there's a right turning, then I don't overtake - period.
That's pretty much what I was getting at.
October issue of Bike Mag, has an article on classic court test cases for many of the examples of bad driving and riding being mentioned.
Car pulling out of a junction, turning right, through stopped traffic. Court found in favour of rider as it's encumbent on driver to "make sure the way is clear"
Driver turning off roundabout from outside lane cutting across motorcyclist etc etc.
If I'm filtering to a junction I'll stop, I automatically assume people will want to change lanes, make space for entering traffic etc.
PS can't watch the vids at work, although it sounds like that might be a good thing.
Cheers.
ive seen a few vids and pics of accidents and all
but that one shook me up abit i have to say, not nice. sadly because of idiots around, it may leave one wondering whether 2 wheels is worth ones life
hope he's coping as best as he can
-Ralph-
02-10-07, 07:24 PM
Gave my wife nightmares last night! Terrible story, shocking vid. The cager was a ****. Wish I could show it to the luton van driver than tried to take me out crossing lanes on the M8 yesterday morning while I was filtering, no indicators, no mirrors, just swerved across right in front of my nose! Lucky I was on the ball with the brakes. Wore a hi viz this morning!
thebluelion
03-10-07, 11:16 AM
Gave my wife nightmares last night! Terrible story, shocking vid. The cager was a ****. Wish I could show it to the luton van driver than tried to take me out crossing lanes on the M8 yesterday morning while I was filtering, no indicators, no mirrors, just swerved across right in front of my nose! Lucky I was on the ball with the brakes. Wore a hi viz this morning!
yea the vid drives it home should be used as an add. Was going to work this morning 07.30. I was driving down a main road, Hi-Viz on headlights full beam, noticed this **** in a silver BM screaching towards a junction ahead of me to my left, i slacked off and sure enough the prat came out half way onto the road just missing me. I gave him the cordial salute bid him good morning, F-----g a--h---, and went on my way.
Offering an insentive to attend advanced driving courses, for instance reduced insurance premiums or even reimbursements of tax paid on fuel or vehicle licensing, is pretty much the only way to get people to take these warnings seriously.
Without the insentive, it's just a picture on a screen, just like that drink drive "Woman face-plants the bar" advert.
RhythmJunkie
03-10-07, 01:36 PM
Wore a hi viz this morning!
High viz aint no use if they don't look in your general direction mate!
I still get people flashing me and saying, "..you've left your headlights on...!
Punishment to fit the crime might change peoples attitudes on the road. Now I usually disagree that motoring offences are "crimes" as they are not usually 'evil' acts but sometimes the brain-dead manouevres I see almost on a daily basis leave me thinking I should change my viewpoint!
I just won a case where someone nearly took me out, why, because he didn't check his mirror or do the blind spot check before overtaking.
He broke one of the most basic motoring principles, observation.
All the cars in the tram video did the same thing, they didn't bother looking, they assumed, and we all know what assume is......!
Harley-man my heart goes out!
I don't argue with trucks....I want to keep my spleen on the inside of my body thanks!
Kinda makes the filterers among us more aware of the hidden dangers of the sport doesn't it?
I think the most disturbing thing about the way things are now is that "life-saver" style manouvers are NOT taught to car drivers. I was only ever instructed to check over my shoulder when doing the 6 point check before pulling off to begin with, and past that when pulling out from a parallel park.
I was never told to do it when:
Changing Lanes
Overtaking
Turning into a Junction
Turning out of a Junction
On a Roundabout
When pulling off in a pedestrianised areaAll situations where it's simply habit to check over your shoulder. The fact i'd been a scooter rider for a couple of years before hand made sure I checked the blind spots, which threw my driving instructor completely off.
quikstu
03-10-07, 02:24 PM
Man that initial vid is something!
Shows how lucky I was last May to walk away after my crash with just aches, pains & brusing.
:shaking:
-Ralph-
03-10-07, 06:19 PM
High viz aint no use if they don't look in your general direction mate!
Maybe the guy did look in my direction, I don't really know whether he checked his mirror or not, but if he did it was only for a split second and my presence didn't register. Or maybe it did and he was just a homocidal tw*t.
Anyway I like to hope in rush hour traffic the Hi Viz helps with the "looked but didn't see" syndrome, got to be better with than without eh? I do notice a difference with people waiting to pull out of junctions, you see the surprised "oh, look, theres a motorcyclist!" face rather than the normal blank, gormless look thats gazing straight past you.
What's the statistic? So many % of drivers on the road won't even realise a motorcyclist is there? Anybody remember?
I think the most disturbing thing about the way things are now is that "life-saver" style manouvers are NOT taught to car drivers. I was only ever instructed to check over my shoulder when doing the 6 point check before pulling off to begin with, and past that when pulling out from a parallel park.
I was never told to do it when:
Changing Lanes
Overtaking
Turning into a Junction
Turning out of a Junction
On a Roundabout
When pulling off in a pedestrianised areaAll situations where it's simply habit to check over your shoulder. The fact i'd been a scooter rider for a couple of years before hand made sure I checked the blind spots, which threw my driving instructor completely off.
That is disturbing. Very. Modern cars don't have blind spots then? Modern design with 2 foot C pillars anyone? Crazy.
Can anyone else confirm that this is the case? Or did Ashy just have a cr*p instructor? Does the examiner not look for blind spot checks in the test? I'll write to my MP if this is true.
They used to say "Mirror, Signal, Manouver". Now it's "Observation, Signal Manouver."
I'd love to say it's because they've started including other observations, but i'm more inclined, especially with the way the UK is mimicing the US's litigious culture, that they do it to cover themselves against legal action from people who are involved in accidents where mirror checks aren't enough.
No proof, though. Please, someone tell me that they've made things better for all of us by including Life-Savers for car drivers.
RhythmJunkie
05-10-07, 11:44 AM
Anyway I like to hope in rush hour traffic the Hi Viz helps with the "looked but didn't see" syndrome, got to be better with than without eh?
A motorist 'sees' close-set twin 55 watt halogens and sees a bike, but in contrast a motorist sees a high viz vest and they see authority!!!
Yellow coloured authority registers in the brain a bit better than headlights....know what I mean dude? ;)
Plenty of pedestrians don't even look before they cross a side juction...the number of women with pushchairs I've almost run over cos they just step out without warning.....thing is they look at me as if I did something wrong....fools.....it's their funeral! It is this level of apathy which, when these stupid pedestrians get in a car and arrive at a junction, do they even bother to look, or just rely on other drivers observation and braking techniques?
I think on the whole the high-viz gets a solid thumbs up from me. I wear one in bad visibility and should wear it more I guess.
thebluelion
05-10-07, 07:57 PM
I have an Orange Hi-viz with reflective strips which i wear in the mornings and evenings going to and from work, some guys think i look like a pr--k but i say i'd rather be a pri-k that can stand than one that doesnt work.
-Ralph-
05-10-07, 09:14 PM
I have an Orange Hi-viz with reflective strips which i wear in the mornings and evenings going to and from work, some guys think i look like a pr--k but i say i'd rather be a pri-k that can stand than one that doesnt work.
Ach, I'd feel like a pr1ck on a Sunday rideout, but for commuting, the guys in the office don't bat an eyelid and I don't care what white van man and sales rep number 33 in the traffic queue thinks!
If your filtering traffic, riding in sh1tty weather, or at dawn, or at dusk, ain't nothing wrong with a hi viz! In fact I'd say you were being a pr1ck if you point black under any circumstances refused to wear one. They have thier place.
The more miles you do the more risk you are at of some numpty saying "Soorrry mate, I didn't see ya", while all you can see are the sky and tweety birds circling your now damaged lid.
If you feel safer in a hi-viz - wear it!
...but come to a rideout in one and I'll call you a pr1ck ;)
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