View Full Version : Hamilton Vs Alonso
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 02:42 PM
Have a look at this...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7038494.stm
Now, I maybe totally off the mark, but what business is it of the FIA's in how McLaren treat their drivers? Surely there is favouritism in other teams between No1 & No2 drivers, how come the FIA aren't interested in that?
Am I misreading it or something?
Filipe M.
11-10-07, 02:50 PM
"The FIA are going to have an official who is going to watch very closely that nothing bad happens to Fernando, above all in qualifying, which is where there have been most complaints or strange situations in recent races."
Like when that spanish **** deliberately blocked Hamilton?!
ASM-Forever
11-10-07, 02:54 PM
Go Alonso! Go! :)
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 02:56 PM
Like when that spanish **** deliberately blocked Hamilton?!
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Not condoning cheating, but arent those sort of incidents part of racing? Like the farce of the complaint from the Red Bull Team trying to blame Hamilton for Vettel crashing into Webber under the Safety Car??
Filipe M.
11-10-07, 02:56 PM
Go **** yourself Alonso! Go! :)
Corrected! ;)
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 02:57 PM
Go Alonso! Go! :)
To be honest, I'm not overly bothered with who wins, it more to do with the organisation behind the racing and rule-making that I'm naffed off with...
Biker Biggles
11-10-07, 02:59 PM
Well fair's fair.Im sure the FIA would never have tolerated Ferrari favouring Shumacker over his various teamates over the years.:^o:rolleyes:
Go Alonso! Go! :)
Go where:confused:
Filipe M.
11-10-07, 02:59 PM
Go where:confused:
I already answered that a few posts above.
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 03:00 PM
Go where:confused:
Into the back of Raikkonnen's Ferrari on the first corner hopefully!
ASM-Forever
11-10-07, 03:00 PM
Go where:confused:
To victory and the championship of course!
Best you have a sit down...senile dementia seems to have set in. ;)
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 03:00 PM
Well fair's fair.Im sure the FIA would never have tolerated Ferrari favouring Shumacker over his various teamates over the years.:^o:rolleyes:
lol...no, that never happened..
Best you have a sit down...senile dementia seems to have set in. ;)
Yawn.
I'm going home now and then going for a run:D
ASM-Forever
11-10-07, 03:06 PM
Yawn.
I'm going home now and then going for a run:D
Hopefully you won't pull a muscle/get run over as dusk sets in. :cool:
Pedrosa
11-10-07, 03:45 PM
You see I knew poor old Fernando's cries in the wilderness would finally be heard! How he has been tormented and and brow beaten by Mr.Dennis and his toy boy lover.;)
Alpinestarhero
11-10-07, 04:58 PM
I want raikonnen to win, McLaren have annoyed me and poor raikonnen has done a brilliant job all season
Go hamilton!
Matt
Supervox
11-10-07, 05:03 PM
What a complete & utter farce !!
I don't recall the FIA intervening when Ferrari conveniently 'forgot' how many wheels are required for a car when they only brought out 3 for Irvine's pitstop back in 1999 (?) when even a routine stop would have meant he became World Champion (before Schumacher).
Max Mosely seems to have reverted to his facist background - hopefully Jackie Stewart (who has forgotten more knowledge about F1 than Mosely could ever hope to learn) will take his lawyers advice & sue Mosely for slander - then we can be shot of him for good !!
BTW - to any of you who may actually believe that he is unbiased, can I refer you to his recent comment that the ideal candidate to replace him eventually (his words) would be Jean Todt !! Of course a (by then) former Ferrari team boss would be the ideal option wouldn't it ?
carelesschucca
11-10-07, 05:24 PM
Ah poor old Alonso... :^o
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 05:43 PM
I want raikonnen to win, McLaren have annoyed me and poor raikonnen has done a brilliant job all season
Go hamilton!
Matt
Agree, Raikonnen has driven really well this season...I just can't warm to him as he seems to have the personality of a jellyfish...
Bet he's the life and soul of the pit garage when the cameras are off tho...;)
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 05:44 PM
What a complete & utter farce !!
I don't recall the FIA intervening when Ferrari conveniently 'forgot' how many wheels are required for a car when they only brought out 3 for Irvine's pitstop back in 1999 (?) when even a routine stop would have meant he became World Champion (before Schumacher).
Max Mosely seems to have reverted to his facist background - hopefully Jackie Stewart (who has forgotten more knowledge about F1 than Mosely could ever hope to learn) will take his lawyers advice & sue Mosely for slander - then we can be shot of him for good !!
BTW - to any of you who may actually believe that he is unbiased, can I refer you to his recent comment that the ideal candidate to replace him eventually (his words) would be Jean Todt !! Of course a (by then) former Ferrari team boss would be the ideal option wouldn't it ?
Yeah - smells a bit of jobs for the boys, doesnt it...?
Alonso, ..... has already said he believes the team have a preference for Hamilton.
Is it just me or does that just make sense considering the Ferrari scandle thing, wonder if any team will want a suspected whistleblower in the future
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 05:56 PM
Is it just me or does that just make sense considering the Ferrari scandle thing, wonder if any team will want a suspected whistleblower in the future
Hmm...quite happy to shop his team in to the FIA, then wants to be the No1 driver, and have the full backing of the boss he tried to ruin....
Wonder where I'd be if I did that to the company I work for.........the dole queue I expect...
Filipe M.
11-10-07, 05:58 PM
Wonder where I'd be if I did that to the company I work for.........the dole queue I expect...
Or wearing concrete boots at the bottom of the nearest river. ;)
Biker_Billy
11-10-07, 06:02 PM
Or wearing concrete boots at the bottom of the nearest river. ;)
Lol, probably...now theres a thought, maybe Ron Dennis is thinking on the same lines if FA goes to Renault next year - hiring a hit man driver, someone who could take him out, someone like Vettel, he doesnt seem to mind who he crashes into..;)
That's the biggest load of s**t I've ever heard.
The FIA are in grave danger of making themselves out to be the biggest looking :toss: on the planet. There have been so many instances of blatant favouritism (sp) over the years and they have never ever stepped in. If they do it now it will be unbelievable.
Like I said in an earlier thread the other day FA is a spoilt little brat. Problem is people seem to believe/back him for some reason. Like I also said - LH has already said the politics is peeing him off no end. If the FIA aren't careful he'll end up going elsewhere.
Nev.
fizzwheel
11-10-07, 06:24 PM
Meh - Mosley should keep out of it, its nowt to do with him, more intefering nonsense.
So is somebody going to watch Lewis and make sure he gets treated fairly to. This whole thing stinks.
Why did the FIA do this especially after Alonso has said he is sure the team will treat both drivers equally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7033687.stm
If he's happy why are the FIA even bothered, they've already duffed up Mclaren for next year constructors wise and I still dont think Alonso and De La Rosa should have got away without punishment over the cheating scandal either.
I agree with Supervox, if it was Ferrari nobody would be batting an eyelid about it.
Pedrosa
11-10-07, 07:22 PM
:p:p:pYou have to excuse me folks but I really have been tickled by the indignity indicated by the TOTALLY impartial F1 fans around here.:p:p:p
Me? I really don't give a sh*t!:p:p
p.s. But do feel Fernando is injustly being made to appear the villain of the piece by the U.K. media.Which of course is what you all read.;)
*Ducks after throwing yet another hot one!:D
pps.How you could possibly side with a team backed to the hilt by that little guy from Twin Peaks I will never know!Lol...I kill myself at times!
In a way I think it's good, it reduces the chances of there being a shadow hanging over a Hamilton championship winning drive. And let's face it- with the current atmosphere, all it would take is one word from Alonso and bam, the whole circus would be revolving around favouritism allegations at the final round, rather than Hamilton winning.
Did they they mix the two up when they left Hamilton out till his tyre was bald thinking it was Alonso ? Just imagine if it was the other way
round ! Losers will always find someone to blame.
GOOD LUCK LEWIS.
fizzwheel
11-10-07, 08:48 PM
p.s. But do feel Fernando is injustly being made to appear the villain of the piece by the U.K. media.Which of course is what you all read.;)
Well theres nowt else to read is there :p
I just think that the FIA should stay out of meddling with it all, and leave them to sort it out on the track.
What sort of press is Lewis getting in Spain ?
Its just what F1 needs though, press, publicity, good racing, fighting and two drivers in the same rutheless streak thats strong enough to want to win.
What sort of press is Lewis getting in Spain ?
+1
I also think that it may be a good thing, as someone has already said, if Hamilton wins then people start saying that McLaren favour Hamilton, this way there SHOULD be no comeback on the team (Fingers crossed). I really can't see Alonso staying with McLaren next year, hopefully Hamilton may win then too so Alsonso can't say I told you so about Hamilton being favoured.
Pedrosa
12-10-07, 09:02 AM
Well theres nowt else to read is there :p
I just think that the FIA should stay out of meddling with it all, and leave them to sort it out on the track.
What sort of press is Lewis getting in Spain ?
Its just what F1 needs though, press, publicity, good racing, fighting and two drivers in the same rutheless streak thats strong enough to want to win.
Fizz believe it or not the press here are not realy having a go at Lewis at all. They do though seriously question the whole thinking and ethics behind the McLaren team.
Yes of course they favour Alonso after all he is the 2 times world champ in the most coveted motor sport known to man. But they are not slow to criticise him when he makes racing or interview errors.(Like for example a big prize for a Spanish citizen is the "Prince of Asturias award" now coincidentally Fernando is from Asturias and the Royal Prince here is the Prince of Asturias. When Fernando was given this award he thanked those that helped him along the way but the praise was aimed more at his father. No mention for the likes of Renault for example?)
But you see here in Spain champions in motor sport are revered and held with massive respect and in that they see a way in which a champ should be looked after. I do not think the Spaniards object to Alonso being made to fight for his 3rd title and they also have been captivated by LH's impact this season.
However this is my point, there have had to be things going on, be it actions,words or attitude in the Mclaren camp. Alonso was fully appreciated at renault, not spoilt and bowed to as many think. He was though apprecaited for his ability.
The most damning thing for me,ignoring everything else that has taken place in this crazy season was Ron Dennis's comments at the last race when stating that "they" were racing Alonso and not Kimi? The Ferrari driver can still win the title FFS! But no there was a greater desire to see off the spaniard,(your team leader)than there was to defeat the main driver for your bitterest rival.
For me with those comments alone, any respect in a motor racing sense that I had for Ron, went right out of the window.
P.s.
It is being reported in the German rag BILD that Alonso has already signed a 3 year contract to rejoin Renault and his mentor Briatore.
fizzwheel
12-10-07, 09:19 AM
But woudl you not agree and I've heard Martin Brundle say it ( who I think knows he stuff and I respect his opinion ) that your biggest oppponent is the guy in the same car as you... I think though that after all's been said, between FA and RD, that RD might prefer it to see LH win the title, English Guy, English team going to look better for him isnt it. ( I know Mercedes have a big stake holding in Mclaren but the perception is that they are an english team I think )
I still think Flavio massaged FA ego at Renault and he's got used to be treated a certain way and now he's not being treated in that way, is causing problems in his mind, which is whats letting him down.
But from the other side of the coin, Mclaren have a history of upseting difficult to handle drivers. Juan Pablo for instance....
I think RD can come across as a cold and unemotional guy, and I think he works better with drivers who conform to his idea of what a driver should be and how one should behave, i.e no facial hair, he's got a very corporate ethic to the whole thing and perahps drivers like FA and Juan Pablo dont fit well in that scenario, Look at DC first thing he did when he left Mclaren he grew a beard, perhaps it isnt easy to work well in an environment where you feel like you have to do as you are told all the time. I think even Lewis rebelled against it which caused the pit lane holding up incident that seems to have sparked alot of this off.
Interesting to know that Lewis doesnt get the caning in the Spanish press that Alonso does though. I think that says alot about the British media.
I note the other weekend some people have been saying that if Alonso does go elsewhere or takes a year off, then Jenson Button should get the other seat at Mclaren...
I tell you one thing, we've not seen a championship with a 3 way fight for the title this close for a good few years. Its good to see them fighting and battling it out rather than Schumacher esq domination we've had in the past.
As for FA vs LH, difficult to tell, both determined to win, but perhaps FA is willing to push further in order to get what he wants, but if they take each other off and Kimi finishes well they could chuck the title away.
IMHO all LH needs to do is just finish behind FA, if he's got any sense he'll just follow him round. Which might be abit dull, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do...
Fizz - your last paragraph?
Spot on! That's all he needs to do. Finish the race and do it one behind FA and it's in the bag.
I tell you what though - it might be easy for him to do and a bit boring to watch but I bet you a tenner that his ball$ (and ours) will be in our throats the whole race lol.
Nev.
DanDare
12-10-07, 09:53 AM
I thought highly of FA since his F1 start, great talent and determination, hence his 2 F1 titles and in a Renault. Now going to Mclaren everyone thought the No1 seat was his and quite rightly so. However I have closely followed LH before F1 and I knew he'd upset the applecart.
All respect for FA went out the window as soon as he started acting like a spoilt brat who wants everything his own way. LH is beating you cos the kid is good, deal with it either by showing your skill on the track or doing it sneakily by blackmailing RD and playing dirty tricks. The bloke needs a bloody good hiding IMHO and I can't believe RD hasn't been the one to do it.
F**k off Fernando and go cry in the corner if you can't handle the heat time to get out of your seat. ( I quite like that )
As for Ferrari / FIA I've never known such a corrupt pair to spoil the sport.
Moseley is a business man not a sports man, keepo your nose out.
I am so angered by the corruption I have all but lost interest in the sport.
Every thing goes Ferrari's way.
Oh and the spying row, how is it spying when one of Ferrari's top men give/sell a document to Mclaren? Am I missing something here?
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