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MiniMatt
15-10-07, 08:16 AM
It's been in the news the last couple of days, so given that this forum has quite a wide range of opinions I thought I'd stir the hornets nest. Just call me the firestarter :smt077

Politicians are spinning away saying they're putting more money into facilities, that they're introducing more than two hours of PE per week into the curriculum and banning junk food, yet they've completely missed (or more likely, choose to side track) the five real reasons:

Reason number one is that the Daily Express has made parents think there are paedophiles round every corner so they don't want their kids going outside.

Reason number two is that average family homes of our youth (3/4 bedrooms, garden to run around in and walking distance to a park) are now only affordable by DINKY (double income, no kids) city types and average families can only get houses in the middle of vast concrete sink estates.

Reason number three is that there are simply more interesting but less active things for kids to be doing these days. Jet Set Willy & Manic Miner, as great as they were, could only hold a ten year old's attention so long before the need to run round the park kicked in.

Reason number four is that junk food encouraged hyperactivity. "Orange" juice was named only because it was orange in colour, packed so full of E numbers and sugar it turned kids into whirlling dervishes, who bounced off the ceilings until their parents let them go to the park to chase squirrels.

Reason number five is bullying. The solitary fat kid got teased mercilessly as school. Fear is a wonderful motivator. Teenage girls (currently the worse affected by obesity) used to be the complete opposite, terribly so. Annorexia was in every class room (I'm not saying this is a good thing, just noting that it seems to have gone full circle). Bullying is actually government policy - "make smoking socially unacceptable", "make speeding socially unacceptable", but in schools it's being stamped out like never before.


So, solutions. In no particular order, some more controversial than others and some completely silly (I am a liberal lefty afterall, picking on the fat kid doesn't exactly sit well with me, but perhaps sometimes if someone says "do I look fat" then a teensy bit of honesty may be justified).

Solution number one. Start running counter-advertising campaigns to every Daily Express headline. "100,000 criminals at large!! They could be living next door to you!!" is countered by "59.9 million normal people could be living next door to you!!". Oh, and prosecute them for incitement to racial hatred while we're at it. I'm pretty sure it's a crime, and they seem to do it every other day. And tell them to get over Diana too, she's dead, she wasn't wearing a seat belt, her driver was drunk, get over it. Move on.

Solution number two. More affordable housing. Start by taxing the hell out of second homes, introduce more clauses into housing deeds to ensure "local houses can be bought by local people". Oh, and remove the loophole that allows developers to pay a penalty to the council in exchange for not putting a certain percentage of affordable housing in their new development.

Solution number three. Hmm, tough one here, banning Playstations ain't really my idea of Utopia. Perhaps a free Wii and that tennis game to every school kid? Hell, if they're going to play computer games, they may as well play an active one.

Solution number four. Introduce "E-number" pills in the vitamins isle to supplement the E-numbers kids no longer get from their diet (ok slightly silly one).

Solution number five. Make obesity socially unacceptable. Hell, they did it with smoking and obesity is arguably as dangerous to health. It's already government policy. Not sure you can catch second-hand lard though. Ban cream cake eating in the workplace, make them stand outside under a brolly in the rain with the smokers. Seeing as smoking is a mild appetite suppresant, standing out with the smokers and catching a whiff of second hand smoke might not be a bad thing all round. Run advertising campaigns, "It's not glandular. It's cake.", "Boys won't like you if you're fat". We've had exactly these bullying campaigns targetted against smokers and it seems to work. (ok, this really doesn't sit well with my left wing outlook, but I like to play devils advocate, even with myself)

(can you tell who's got the day off today and is bored?)

Filipe M.
15-10-07, 08:31 AM
Solution number five. Make obesity socially unacceptable.

Obesity already is socially unacceptable. Any more bright ideas?

MiniMatt
15-10-07, 08:34 AM
Obesity already is socially unacceptable. Any more bright ideas?

(ok, this really doesn't sit well with my left wing outlook, but I like to play devils advocate, even with myself)

:D I didn't claim they were bright ideas or even good ideas or even ideas I like. Just stirring really :D

Ed
15-10-07, 08:40 AM
Enforced wiring of jaws once someone reaches 100kg/16 stone.

Once a week walk to work day. Too bad if you live 30 miles away.

Ban clothing retailers from selling huge size clothes.

Filipe M.
15-10-07, 08:41 AM
Enforced wiring of jaws once someone reaches 100kg/16 stone.

Once a week walk to work day. Too bad if you live 30 miles away.

Ban clothing retailers from selling huge size clothes.

Ed, do you realise where this would take you? You'd have a lot more naked fat people walking the streets, is that what you're after? :|

MiniMatt
15-10-07, 08:45 AM
Ed, do you realise where this would take you? You'd have a lot more naked fat people walking the streets, is that what you're after? :|

Christ, he has a point you know. Eeep. Perhaps just banning skin tight lycra in oversized sizes would do the trick? :D

The Basket
15-10-07, 08:45 AM
What we need is rationing and a war in which everyone can join in.

No fat kids then.

Ahhh...but aint obesity a sign of wealth? Even the poorest in our society can be lazy and whale fat. Now that progress.

gettin2dizzy
15-10-07, 08:48 AM
And tell them to get over Diana too, she's dead, she wasn't wearing a seat belt, her driver was drunk, get over it. Move on.

As long as everyone gets over Jesus, that was frickin ages ago! ;)

personally, I'm a libertarian. I don't see why anything is ever banned.

rigor
15-10-07, 08:49 AM
"It's not glandular. It's cake."

:smt082:winner:

MiniMatt
15-10-07, 08:49 AM
What we need is rationing and a war in which everyone can join in.

Hmm, Darwinism "survival of the fittest" taken to a literal extreme. Perhaps invent bullets that can be outran? Solution to gun crime and obesity in one sweep.

If I ran the world....

(who am I kidding, if I ran the world the power would go to my head and I'd be a meglomaniac despot within days)

gettin2dizzy
15-10-07, 08:54 AM
If I ran the world....

(who am I kidding, if I ran the world the power would go to my head and I'd be a meglomaniac despot within days)

Curvies would be banned?

neio79
15-10-07, 09:11 AM
I think that this childhood obesity is an other blown out of proportion problem as well.

The primary school my daughter goes to seems like their is no fat kids at all.

There are plenty of fat kids around and I think the parents should be held responsible for it. In almost all cases it’s a simple case of gluttony not ‘glandular’ or heavy bones etc. which is an other example of how the UK has this lets try and find a name/ blame others for my problems situation get out of hand.

Again I do think the way the UK has gone all PC a bit to blame. For example how many of us when we were kids played tag or some form of hide and seek or the classic British bulldog, which lets face it was rugby with out the ball. They have all been banned from schools incase the little darlings get Hurt. Those activitys must have burned loads of calories in a break time. Now all the kids do is stand and talk etc.

Kids need to run around to use energy!!

I hate seeing fat kids and feel like picking on them myself when I see them, or the parents!! So I think fat kids should be picked on at school, it might stop them and get them to do something about it.

The Uk has got lazy, how many kids do you see walk to school, partly because everyone drives them and partly because like Matt said the papers will have us believe that if they go on their own they will be kidnapped and murdered!! FFS .

When I was a kid I walked to school all of my highs school days about 2.5 miles each way with some mates.

There for some reason has been a decline in sports, partly because some schools have been selling off their land to build houses on. My old high school has sold off 1/3 to have houses on.

We need something like the states have where sports play a big part, not only to benefit the kids and get them active but to ensure our national teams survive and get better. Have the same sort of scholarships and high school leagues, why do you think the staes are so good at most sports??? Cos they invest in it from a young age.

I hate seeing a fat person to me it’s a sign of lack of personal pride; I have very little respect for big fat people in any walk of life. How can you they don’t look after themselves or care by the look of it, why should I respect a big fat lazy mess?? I am not talking about middle age spread, it will come to us all, but when you see a young fat person, all respect for them goes out the window IMO.

I am lucky my job encourages fitness and I enjoy doing it its part of my working day and frowned upon if I am unfit.
There is no excuse for being fat other than lazyness!!

And I agree that the NHS should refuse operations etc to really obese people, as most of their problems are related to their lack of self restraint and ability to not eat.

Filipe M.
15-10-07, 09:17 AM
I hate seeing a fat person to me it’s a sign of lack of personal pride; I have very little respect for big fat people in any walk of life. How can you they don’t look after themselves or care by the look of it, why should I respect a big fat lazy mess?? I am not talking about middle age spread, it will come to us all, but when you see a young fat person, all respect for them goes out the window IMO.

Funny that, the same happens to me with extremist people.

neio79
15-10-07, 09:22 AM
Funny that, the same happens to me with extremist people.
If you are refering to me ill just go and get my big bag of bothered from the corner.

its my opinion which just like you i am entilted to.

Filipe M.
15-10-07, 09:23 AM
its my opinion which just like you i am entilted to.

I never said otherwise. But I still reserve myself the right to think what I want about it. You can do the same to mine too. :thumright:

neio79
15-10-07, 09:26 AM
I never said otherwise. But I still reserve myself the right to think what I want about it. You can do the same to mine too. :thumright:
will do ;):thumright:

The Basket
15-10-07, 10:43 AM
A few years ago it was about those models who were dead skinny and it was called Heroin Chic. Remember that?

Maybe Heroin is just the cure for obese children.

MiniMatt
15-10-07, 10:55 AM
Maybe Heroin is just the cure for obese children.

Hmm, come to think about it, I've never once seen a chubby junkie. Do you think they used to put it in the free school milk or something?

Oh, and Dizzy - not all curves, I'm quite the admirer of well proportioned curves in the right places :D Maybe just curvey SVs :D Though I'm buggered if I'm going to be riding around on an SV when I'm Supreme Overlord...

hovis
15-10-07, 11:00 AM
less sat in front of the tv/pc/playstation

more get out & play football/tennis/kiss chase

MiniMatt
15-10-07, 11:06 AM
On a slightly more serious note (a) yep I agree with Neio in that it's probably been blown up out of proportion a bit, we've got so little to really worry about these days that we keep needing to be fed new things to be frightened of. The huddled masses are beginning to see through the "terrorist on every corner" lie and need to be spoon fed something else to worry about.

Don't really think we can say the answer lies in the States' approach though, after all they pretty much (re)invented modern day obesity. Don't think it's a UK specific problem either, the whole of Western Europe is going through the same thing at the moment.

Basket's probably hit the nail on the head with war. We (by which I mean late twenties to early fifties) are probably the last generation whose parents vaguely remembered the end of rationing and as such their parents instilled something of a culture of careful consumption, which they then, to a lesser degree passed on to their own kids. Europe arguably took 20 years longer than the US to recover from the war, whereas the US went quite quickly to a life of excess and as such an excessive lifestyle hit a generation early and obesity emerged there in the late 70s, in Europe it took us another generation to get over the wartime shortages and mentality.

The Basket
15-10-07, 11:08 AM
Hmm, come to think about it, I've never once seen a chubby junkie. Do you think they used to put it in the free school milk or something?

We can have the dealers ootseed the school gates...oh...they are there already...supply and demand...the benchmark of capitalism.

Anyway...Darwinism is not the survival of the fittest...that Fascism...but survival of the spieces which can best live in its environment....Survival of the more capable.

Sideshow#36
15-10-07, 11:11 AM
Hmmm this is a tough one. Yeah I do agree that fat people are a burden in some situations. Try working in 60'C heat lugging heavy objects over a mile out to an aircraft. Guess what happens to the fat ones... But that is purely to do with my work!
However if you can be fat and do a job that you dont need to be fit for... fair play. You will die sooner anyway and no longer be a burden on society. ;-)

Ed
15-10-07, 11:12 AM
Just back from my 14 mile run. I really enjoyed it, I love the feeling of pounding heart, bursting lungs and legs feeling like they're about to give way under me.

I think I just found a solution to the problem:D

Sideshow#36
15-10-07, 11:12 AM
Anyway look at Augustus Gloop... He got his comeuppence! LOL Augustus, save some room for later!

neio79
15-10-07, 11:43 AM
Just back from my 14 mile run. I really enjoyed it, I love the feeling of pounding heart, bursting lungs and legs feeling like they're about to give way under me.

I think I just found a solution to the problem:D

Yes Ed there a re a few of us on here that agree wit hyou that exercise is the best way to not put on weight, i too love the feeling of beng knackered in the Gym doing weights or running.

unfortunatly there are far to many lazy people in our society who cant be bothered or find excuses not to do any exercise then wonder why they get fat from sitting at a desk all day.

there is no secret to being in shape heat what you want in moderation, and exersice reguarly.

again a lot of people give up at the first hurdle or when they break into a sweat.

grh1904
15-10-07, 12:55 PM
There for some reason has been a decline in sports, partly because some schools have been selling off their land to build houses on. My old high school has sold off 1/3 to have houses on.



Not only that, it has something to do with winners and losers. The schools cannot promote "losers".

I don't have kids, but on my beat area I have 2 primary schools, and they've stopped sports days, got too much of a problem with insurance etc.

But when they did have them, every kid had to have a prize, otherwise the little darling would feel left out, and MIGHT be emotionally scarred for life if they get banded a "LOSER", - quote from head teacher - quoting local council advice on sportsdays.

Ashy
15-10-07, 01:03 PM
I work in a school. I see forst hand just what has happened to the education system in the 8 years since I left compulsory education.

Remember writing lines in front of the headmaster's office? CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. Instead the kids are sent to what in my school is called the "Refocus Room" (recently renamed from "Withdrawl Room" as it wasn't Hippy enough) to "realign their attention and direction towards learning". What this means is they play flash games on the internet while the supervising member of staff talks on their mobile phone to their husband or wife.

Shouting at kids in class? NO, SORRY! NO SHOUTING. We have a card system like a f*cking football referee. "Are you refusing to follow my instructions? Yellow card!"


Makes me want to... Well... I'm on a school PC so let's just leave that there.

Ed
15-10-07, 04:44 PM
Nobody ever drowned in their own sweat.

Lozzo
15-10-07, 04:51 PM
It's been in the news the last couple of days, so given that this forum has quite a wide range of opinions I thought I'd stir the hornets nest. Just call me the firestarter :smt077

Politicians are spinning away saying they're putting more money into facilities, that they're introducing more than two hours of PE per week into the curriculum and banning junk food, yet they've completely missed (or more likely, choose to side track) the five real reasons:

<snipped causes and solutions>

As a slim and fit 45 year old father of four - who grew up in the 60s and 70s - I wholeheartedly agree with every single word written.

Well said that man - MiniMatt for Prime Minister.