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She has to learn:
omnibus
omnipresent
omnidirectional
omnipotent
omnivorous
omniscient
ultrasound
ultrasonic
ultramarine
ultrastructure
ultraviolet
ultra high frequency
at age 9. Go figure.
the white rabbit
15-10-07, 08:41 PM
Thats ridiculous as most (all?) those are compound (???) words. The roots are tricky enough as its is (I dont have a 9 year old tho!! :lol:) but just teach the word and then how you can add prefixes surely?
:smt101 :smt017 :smt101
Sideshow#36
15-10-07, 08:42 PM
Better to start at that age I suppose. They are starting to teach French at age 8 now. I didnt start till I was 11. Maybe thats why when we last went to Paris the waiters always had a slightly quizzical look.....
Luckypants
15-10-07, 08:43 PM
Wow, it is good that she is being streched, but when will a 9 yo actually use those words? Does she have to know what they mean as well?
kwak zzr
15-10-07, 08:44 PM
Ed my daughters 9 to, i know exactly where your coming from.
my daughter got upset at school today because she couldn't do a maths question i'll try and explain - choose a 2 digit number and multiply it with another 2 digit number - do this twice but the 2 answers added together must total 1100. (shes 9)
Wow, I'm going for the dictionary - never heard of an ultrastructure before!
Luckypants
15-10-07, 08:54 PM
Wow, I'm going for the dictionary - never heard of an ultrastructure before!
I looked it up to, I reckoned it was a made word. nope!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrastructure
the white rabbit
15-10-07, 08:55 PM
I'm not certain about this one, but I'm guessing its some kind of 'know all' :lol:
omniscient
I looked it up to, I reckoned it was a made word. nope!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrastructure
Intriguing! I was expecting an ultrastructure to be a physically big thing, but the definition appears to be little different from microstructure.
Never too old to get the benefit of a primary school education!!!
454697819
15-10-07, 09:34 PM
She has to learn:
omnibus
omnipresent
omnidirectional
omnipotent
omnivorous
omniscient
ultrasound
ultrasonic
ultramarine
ultrastructure
ultraviolet
ultra high frequency
at age 9. Go figure.
ha ha I cant even spell half of them.....
SoulKiss
15-10-07, 09:50 PM
ha ha I cant even spell half of them.....
At age 10 I read Lord of the Rings.
Why do we assume that because they are kids they are stupid, or something is inappropriate.
Get them while they are young and they will learn it better and faster than when older.
Aparently the Government are now having to put resources into teaching 18-20yos how to read and write......
My advice get THEM to read The Hobbit to YOU - it might take a while, but once they have the story in their head, they will want to know what else happened to Bilbo, which is when you give them Lord of the Rings, and from there you may just inspire them to read the Harry Potter books, or The Chronicles of Narnia, rather than just watch the films......
Aparently ......
Oops - "Apparently", I think you'll find.
Actually, I think the comments in your post are spot on and I agree totally. Unfortunately, we must also make sure that meaning is taught so that the words can be used later to construct meaningful statements and arguments. That is what really seems to be missing in the workplace.
we can only hope David...the peeps of today want everything yesterday handed on a plate, it's good to educate and motivate;)
and then where there is a will there is a way...
SoulKiss
16-10-07, 06:03 AM
Oops - "Apparently", I think you'll find.
Actually, I think the comments in your post are spot on and I agree totally. Unfortunately, we must also make sure that meaning is taught so that the words can be used later to construct meaningful statements and arguments. That is what really seems to be missing in the workplace.
Shouldn't corrections be done in red?
As for meaning - get some encycopedias (proper dead-tree ones) and a good dictionary and teach them when they ask "what does that mean" that they should go look it up.
Make them self-sufficient and train them in gathering knowledge.
gettin2dizzy
16-10-07, 06:49 AM
Awesome. Private school? Most people are idiots
I would have thought had she not been able to learn those words she would not have been given them. Maybe she is a brights spark in the class and ahead of the rest? Why be held back by the averages in the class?
I asked the other day what my 6 year old did at school. She said mathematics and literacy. When I was at school aged six that would have been reading, writing and doing sums.
They are being taught a different way these days and it seems to be for the better. My daughter is far more cleverer at 6 than I could have hoped for. :smt045
My (only just) 7 year old was doing some work on the Crimean War the other week and had to spell:
Florence
Nightingale
Crimean
To name but a few, not even that sure I just spelt them right!!!
Awesome. Private school? Most people are idiots
Yes. There's pushing - and pushing. I think this is too much. We had all the 'trans' and 'auto' words the other day, 'autopsy' included - she didn't know what it meant but strangely enough we had no problem with learning it once she realised it was cutting up dead bodies.
gettin2dizzy
16-10-07, 08:28 AM
Yes. There's pushing - and pushing. I think this is too much. We had all the 'trans' and 'auto' words the other day, 'autopsy' included - she didn't know what it meant but strangely enough we had no problem with learning it once she realised it was cutting up dead bodies.
I think thats Biology 2-4 Thursdays :thumbsup:
I would be happy that she is getting an education. Your tax is getting put to use! Providing of course that she gets on well with them then I would encourage it.
Flamin_Squirrel
16-10-07, 08:35 AM
Maybe she is a brights spark in the class and ahead of the rest? Why be held back by the averages in the class?
Because it's Labours' dream that no-one achieves anything more than mediocrity.
gettin2dizzy
16-10-07, 08:43 AM
Because it's Labours' dream that no-one achieves anything more than mediocrity.
If we all achieved well, and could afford to work less hours, who would support the mega rich....Keeping us taxed to the point of collapse at all times keeps us at work all hours of the day, and keeps us from questioning this mundane way of life...
That's why I'm getting my ship and getting the hell out of here when I can ;)
(http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=98516)
Pedrosa
16-10-07, 11:53 AM
Spell 'em? I can't even pronounce most of them!:rolleyes:
kwak zzr
16-10-07, 12:03 PM
it's been in the news lately about pressure on Junior school kids, personally i think kids should be pushed to learn more but at the end of the day they are still children and fresh air and physical activity is just as important.
Spell 'em? I can't even pronounce most of them!:rolleyes:
That's because you're fwom Barthelona
the white rabbit
16-10-07, 12:24 PM
It's not (all of) the words themselves and understanding, it seems bizzare to me to teach these as spellings and not that you can add omni- etc to many words, which you can already maybe spell. :confused:
Pedrosa
16-10-07, 12:24 PM
That's because you're fwom Barthelona
Eez twoo.:p
Pedro68
16-10-07, 12:24 PM
I don't necessarily think that kids are being "pushed". It's just that information is easier to come by in the "internet age". When I was in school we had 4 options:
1) Go to the local library (place that stores lots of books but never the one you NEED).
2) Ask your parents (who probably didn't have a clue because it was 20+ years since they'd been in school!)
3) If you were "lucky" enough, you may have been bought an encyclopaedia (or a WHOLE SET of them) that you could use.
4) Copy your mate's homework!
Nowadays, kids "Google it" ... and they are even getting savvy about this! Teachers will obviously "Google it" too, but will probably/possibly only check the first few pages, so kids are "learning" to take their answers from the lower ranked pages ;-) Hahaha!
Also, when I was at school (or rather when I wasn't - during holidays) we'd have 3 channels (initially, but eventually we had FOUR :D), and all we used TV for was cartoons, or Swap Shop, or take hart, or The Red Hand Gang, or "Why Don't You (go outside and do something less boring instead)?" ... Nowadays you have 300+ channels showing everything from how Hitler lost the war, to how newspaper is recycled and finds it way back out onto our newstands ... from Mega-Monster Truck Racing to, how to use random items in a scrap yard to BUILD a road-going vehicle FROM SCRATCH!! That's just on the MAIN channels ... you've also got just about every day of every year of history covered in the History Channels (and BBC2 ;-) God Bless 'em), and if you ever want to know where naval lint and bogies come from then you've got The Discovery Channel. Kids missed it cos they were playing footy? (or down at McDonalds more like?) No Problem ... Discovery+1, or better still, Sky+ so that you can record programs for their homework so that they can watch them at 9pm when you've stopped them from watching "Belle De Jour" ;-)
Kids these days :rolleyes: got it too bloomin easy!
Exercise (see the "child obesity" thread) is what they need ... so make their homework a treasure hunt ;-) Hahahaha!
Sorry ... rambling again :rolleyes:
Pete
Bluepete
16-10-07, 08:03 PM
Hi Guys, Mrs Blue Pete here.
I read the thread after Pete pointed it out to me and I read it all with a great deal of interest. Don't know if he's ever said, but I'm a primary school teacher and have taught mostly Lower Key Stage 2 (that's lower juniors to most people!) for the past thirteen years. I've seen strategies come and go, and most are on their way back in ten years after I last saw them!
I agree that the list of words that your daughter has been given seems excessive, Ed, (and I agree that she will probably never use half of them!) but there are a lot of factors that will go into deciding what to give her as a list. I can only speak for what we do in our school (2/3 form entry, problems in school with spellings, struggling to find a spelling scheme that works in our school without costing the earth, etc, etc) and wouldn't for one minute say that this is the case in your daughter's school.
We do a spelling test with the children at the start of the academic year to find out what their spelling age is, not their chronological age. (Seeing the list that she has, I'd suggest that she is very bright and has a higher than expected spelling age, but this is not for me to say. You would have to ask her teacher.) We then put them into groups, and having three teachers in Y4 this year, we have three groups, all who are working on their own lists of words. We try to emphasise that it is the spelling pattern that is important, not really the words themselves, as the pattern can be used in a wide variety of words that she will use as she grows up. We also look at how well the children write in 'free writing' where they are using their imaginations to write stories, journals, instructions, etc. If they can write well in any lesson, they go into a higher spelling group to push their phonic knowledge.
So, the words themselves are not the issue, but the way that she learns to spell the sounds involved in the words. I'd suggest splitting the words up into prefixes and suffixes, or into syllables and look for common spelling patterns that she is confident with, then push the word sections back together to make a full word.
Sorry this has turned into a bit of a ramble! I just hope that it helps to explain some of the ways that a school might work.
Mrs BP
Jackhammer
16-10-07, 08:17 PM
To Mrs BP - i take my hat off to anyone willing to teach. Its one of those necessary jobs that i KNOW i couldn't do (nursing is up there too - individuals in either profession are all worth your weight in Gold if u ask me and need to be paid appropriately), so please .take a bow .. :takeabow:
My cousin John decided to give it up as he was sick of the abuse that was bestowed upon him not from the 11-13 year olds he taught, but their parents !!!! I mean - what the hell is that all about ??
Still he's now a travel writer and is somewhere in the Serengeti so i am sure he is happy .....
anyway - an impressive list of words, see if your Daughter can spell supercalifragalisticexpialidocious yet :rolleyes:
me thunk me inglash was not two sweet.
whilst reading a bed time story to my two kids (aged 9 and 6), Holly (9 year old) kept correcting me as I miss read the story....
some remedial reading is in order I belive.
therealvw
17-10-07, 12:36 AM
Ed my daughters 9 to, i know exactly where your coming from.
my daughter got upset at school today because she couldn't do a maths question i'll try and explain - choose a 2 digit number and multiply it with another 2 digit number - do this twice but the 2 answers added together must total 1100. (shes 9)
good grief!
Could that be something like 55 X 10 that gives you 550.
Then erm.....
Bugger!
Blimey charlie!
good grief!
Could that be something like 55 X 10 that gives you 550.
Then erm.....
11 x 50 being the most obvious alternative to me, asuming we're not allowed to use the same again
So we get 55 x 10 + 11 x 50 = 1100
Guess this is leading into factors etc. but it sounds like the original question was not too clear.
We try to emphasise that it is the spelling pattern that is important, not really the words themselves, as the pattern can be used in a wide variety of words that she will use as she grows up.
Wow - sorry, but this has lost me!
We also look at how well the children write in 'free writing' where they are using their imaginations to write stories, journals, instructions, etc. If they can write well in any lesson, they go into a higher spelling group to push their phonic knowledge.
So, the words themselves are not the issue, but the way that she learns to spell the sounds involved in the words. I'd suggest splitting the words up into prefixes and suffixes, or into syllables and look for common spelling patterns that she is confident with, then push the word sections back together to make a full word.
Unfortunately, phonics and written tests are not suitable for everyone. Our eldest (now 13) is very badly dyslexic and is still struggling to learn to write coherently. His reading is also retarded, in the nicest sense of the word. However, his conversational skills and verbal reasoning abilities are much better, similar to his peers. The sort of assessment you describe would hold him down and it is unfortunately the case that this is exactly what happened.
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